As a half-Asian, half-white female, I can honestly say that I'm only proud of my Japanese heritage. I identify as white, and am more protective of whites, but I'm generally not proud per se. What about you?
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Just my opinion.
I saw a slogan on a guys car that said "Proud to be an American" and I thought "What the fuck does that mean?"
I'm fully Irish, and when I was a kid I would go to the St Patrick's Day parade and they sold a button that said "Proud to be Irish", but I knew that on Columbus day they sold the same button only it said "Proud to be Italian", then came Black Pride, and Puerto Rican Pride. And I could never understand national or ethnic pride, because to me Pride should be reserved for something you achieve on your own.
Being Irish isn't a skill, it's a fucking genetic accident.
You wouldn't be proud to be 5'11". You wouldn't be proud to have a pre-disposition for colon cancer.
- George Carlin.
Beautiful.
You say "And I could never understand national or ethnic pride, because to me Pride should be reserved for something you achieve on your own."
Your ethnic group, your people, is like an extended family, your tribe, your forefathers, your roots, your children and grandchildren.
It's nothing wrong to be proud of what your people has achived through history, but that pride means nothing if you yourself aren't contributing to your people by working, caring for others or helping building a better future. A true pride should also include knowledge of historical misdoings and learning from the forefathers experience.
Of course, you can be proud of your race or ethnic group for whatever reason you like, but it's meaningless if the pride isn't combined with obligations and responsibility towards your group.
And remember, even if you like your race/ethnic group, treat members of other groups like you want yours to be treated by them. Race hatred gives bad karma.
I think when he said "it's a fucking genetic accident". He was saying that you don't have a choice as to what race you are born.
I never said any of that, if you knew how to read you would see that was a quote from George Carlin (who was a comedian, making a joke), if you have beef, gather his ashes and yell at them. I'm sure he won't mind but he probably won't have much to say back to you.
Lastly, a little off topic but I just have to say it, karma is bullshit.
To be aware of what you are is an asset as it gives you a ground to stand on. Roots.
Yes, karma is bullshit. I used that word instead of writing a longer comment about how race hatred can bite you and your ethnic groups back in the long run.
I liked George Carlin. He dared to joke about not so politically correct things. ;-)
- puerto rican
- mexican
- dominican
- black
- italian
&' muthaaafuckin proud (;
...someone had to say it.
But to do that you ignore all the great things the caucasian race has done for the world.
2. What you're asking us is whether we're proud of the history and culture of our ethnicity, not race.
Just wanted to put that out there. lawl.
And yeah, I'm one of those who voted 'I don't really care'. Fuck yeah.
With geographical separation, time and many generations, races can become new species (like horses, zebras and donkeys have become different species).
Ethnicity is another thing. An ethnic group is a population with individuals of the same race that share language, culture, history and so on. Related, but different, ethnic groups can share some of that and belong to the same race.
I'm proud of things I have done through hard work, not proud of the colour of my skin I attained entirely though luck, nor the things that people who have the same colour skin as myself have done.
I refuse to feel guilty for anything someone of my race has done, because the buck stops at that individual, not at a trait they share with a large group of individuals. I am sorry that some white people are racist, and that black people generally do not receive equal treatment, but I do not and cannot except responsibility for something entirely out of my control.
That's a thought error. It's like saying that the cigarette lighter I have in front of me became one by chance. We, including dead things, are all products of something. In our case, as humans, we are the result of our ancestors' genetical heritage.
The reason behind the thought error is our capacity to feel empathy. We can feel for others and put us emotionally in their shoes. Empathy has developed in us as herd animals, to help us survive as a "tribe", and we can risk our lives to help others in need.
That's something to be proud of, mayhaps?
We couldn't pick and choose the "soul" for our bodies, but that's not how nature works. You are you as much as my cigarette lighter is what it is. Products. No chance involved.
By your analogy of the cigarette lighter: even if the cigarette lighter was able to feel proud simply for being formed into a cigarette lighter - by events it could not control - why should it be proud either?
In reality she was half caucasian, quarter aboriginal and quarter chinese.
I also know a gut who identifies as spannish 1/16th, and a guy who is apparently Jamacan but isnt sure which ancestor it comes from.
I find it interesting people seem to be much prouder of small minority conributiond to their make up.
That's what I am proud of.
I am not proud to be white. I had no choice in being white. But I am happy to be white, I mean I am fine with it. Being white doesn't bother me at all.
I don't think one group is any better than the others. You have to take people on a case by case basis.
And it's not a product of chance that a housefly is a housefly or that a magpie is a magpie either. Their intellectual capacity and instincts are restricted to their species just as it is for us. Your "soul" can't be implanted in a magpie's brain, not in a brain belonging to a human from another race, or even in your neighbors brain. You are you thanks to a long chain of genetic generations and not to chance.
When you say "You're literally going around saying that you take pride in the fact that you have done nothing at all" it's like an insult to your ancestors (and to yourself if you are working and caring for your people and not just living like a parasite).
I'm not fond of the nihilistic worldview of today, where only superficial and material things matter. It's like saying "who cares about the enviroment? We will all be dead within a hundred years anyway".
Humans are the only species that can think nihilistic thoughts. All other animals continue to struggle for life and for their offsprings. Too bad they can't feel pride.
it doesn't mean I'm a racist -my buddies come from all the places you can only imagine and they are proud of their race as well. I think it's awesome.
Everyone should be proud to be who they are.
When your culture is too backward to be technologically on par with us then you would have no use for those resources anyway. I mean what would an African local tribe do with say Yttrium,Neodymium or Lanthanum?
A lack of free market capitalism and democracy is always the cause of poverty and technological backwardness so I do believe our culture is superior to that of say the taleban or some pygmies in the jungle.
Now on the looks department I think we look ugly and dull.
I do envy Arabs and Indians since they have the most beautiful women, and apparently their men score higher with white women too.