OK, well, then....let me give you MY opinion on when life begins. At conception. Why? It's the most logical to me. Once the sperm and egg join, YOU are created. Everything about you is there.
If conception was random and you became a distinct individual at a later time in the womb, then my opinion would be different. But since YOU are YOU, and everyting about you is determined at conception, I believe the only logical answer is that your life began then. If not then, then when? When did you become 'more' you? Never. Your DNA never changed, your eye color, and skin color and every other damn genetic thing about you was determined at conception.
It's completely illogical to me to think that just because a fetus can't survive outside the womb that it isn't 'alive' or doesn't count. How is that logical? If left alone, it would be fine and grow into a being that would live outside the womb. Disturbing that growth is 'wrong'. Not wrong in teh sense that you shouldn't be able to make that choice, but wrong in the sense that you're purposely terminating a living thing that would've thrived if left alone.
Thank you for being logical and explaining your point of view in a logical way.
The reason why I disagree, why I believe life starts when it does, is that I make a distinction between potential for life and life itself. I would argue that until the baby could survive outside the womb, it merely has POTENTIAL for life. I do not see it as in any way "wrong" to interrupt that process.
I argue that I am not me, but the merely the POTENTIAL to become me, until I can survive outside the womb.
This is something that I found interesting about your arguement though. Consider:
- If you believe that abortion is ending human life, then you believe it is murder.
- If abortion is murder, surely the "right to abortion" is no different to the "right to murder"?
- How can you protect the right of a woman to choose to murder her baby without protecting the right of any other murderer to kill his victims? If an unborn baby is a "life", how can you justify its murder without justifying all other murder in addition to abortion?
Additionally: - If you believe it is murder, and you have had 3 abortions, surely you believe that you are no different from any other multiple murderer? Ought you not be in jail for three counts of murder?
I'm not trying to be sarcastic or aggressive, I just genuinely don't understand how you believe abortion is murder yet you can still support it. Would you mind explaining for me how this is so, because a lot of people seem to be saying just that, but it doesn't make sense to my mind.
Yes, I think it's a form of murder....not necessarily the same as killing a person. I think this because I don't believe there is any pain involved to the fetus, and I don't believe it is aware of anything, it's own life or pain, or anything. It's the interruption that I take most issue with.
Anyway, all that aside, I support abortion completely because it should be a choice, and a choice that can be performed safely in a clean medical facility. If I think it's wrong (which I do and don't....) doesn't mean I think I have the right to choose for others whether they can do it or not. I don't feel the need, as you do, to try to prove that it's OK in order for me to support it. I don't have to do heroin to want drugs legalized!!
And to be perfectly honest with you, I don't have too much of a problem with murder, as long as it involves people who deserve it for whatever reason.
If conception was random and you became a distinct individual at a later time in the womb, then my opinion would be different. But since YOU are YOU, and everyting about you is determined at conception, I believe the only logical answer is that your life began then. If not then, then when? When did you become 'more' you? Never. Your DNA never changed, your eye color, and skin color and every other damn genetic thing about you was determined at conception.
It's completely illogical to me to think that just because a fetus can't survive outside the womb that it isn't 'alive' or doesn't count. How is that logical? If left alone, it would be fine and grow into a being that would live outside the womb. Disturbing that growth is 'wrong'. Not wrong in teh sense that you shouldn't be able to make that choice, but wrong in the sense that you're purposely terminating a living thing that would've thrived if left alone.
The reason why I disagree, why I believe life starts when it does, is that I make a distinction between potential for life and life itself. I would argue that until the baby could survive outside the womb, it merely has POTENTIAL for life. I do not see it as in any way "wrong" to interrupt that process.
I argue that I am not me, but the merely the POTENTIAL to become me, until I can survive outside the womb.
This is something that I found interesting about your arguement though. Consider:
- If you believe that abortion is ending human life, then you believe it is murder.
- If abortion is murder, surely the "right to abortion" is no different to the "right to murder"?
- How can you protect the right of a woman to choose to murder her baby without protecting the right of any other murderer to kill his victims? If an unborn baby is a "life", how can you justify its murder without justifying all other murder in addition to abortion?
Additionally:
- If you believe it is murder, and you have had 3 abortions, surely you believe that you are no different from any other multiple murderer? Ought you not be in jail for three counts of murder?
I'm not trying to be sarcastic or aggressive, I just genuinely don't understand how you believe abortion is murder yet you can still support it. Would you mind explaining for me how this is so, because a lot of people seem to be saying just that, but it doesn't make sense to my mind.
Anyway, all that aside, I support abortion completely because it should be a choice, and a choice that can be performed safely in a clean medical facility. If I think it's wrong (which I do and don't....) doesn't mean I think I have the right to choose for others whether they can do it or not. I don't feel the need, as you do, to try to prove that it's OK in order for me to support it. I don't have to do heroin to want drugs legalized!!
And to be perfectly honest with you, I don't have too much of a problem with murder, as long as it involves people who deserve it for whatever reason.