Funny that you didn't include pro-abortion in your list. Yes, let's over-populate the world with not only people, but with stray animals as well. Maybe your grandchild could catch one of these strays, and at least they'll have a pet for company as they watch the end of life on Earth.
Incorrect. Pro-choice is a neutral. It could mean either that you are for or against abortion, or indifferent to abortion. Please also note that this poll is strongly biased in favour of an irrational anti-abortion stance. Please also note that the poster further confuses the issue by equating animal abortion with human abortion and declaring that it's wrong. Also, most animals can't choose whether they have an abortion or not. The poll choices should have simply been: I'm for animal abortion I'm against animal abortion I'm a total whack job, with a hidden agenda Other answer, I'll commment
Exactly, pro-choice would cover all those possibilities. All it means is that you're open to abortion, maybe not for yourself but you don't tell others what to do, all the way up to wanting abortions for all. I don't see the point in breaking it down into tiny sub-categories.
The poll isn't biased because I don't have any agenda, I merely wanted to get a basic grasp on how people feel about it, I'm not mailing it to the president or something to stop animal abortions. Simple curiosity, that's all. I included an 'Other' option if you weren't happy with the other choices.
Nobody is out there sitting around for a pregnant animal to come around going 'OH YEH, LETZ ABORT SUM PUPPEHZ!11!!'
ProCHOICE is just that. It's for the CHOICE of having an abortion if you see fit. It's not neutral or 'meh, it exists' its an active movement to give people the choice, if they want to take it. Pro LIFE is against having an abortion except in rare occasions (rape, for example). Both are human terms and do not apply to animals.
Frankly, Pro-abortion would be a huge political cluster fuck as it would mean you are FOR abortions. Not just having a choice to get one, but actively pushing for everything to get an abortion. Could you see the campaign signs? Theres be like.. babies with X's through them or something.
And also, since when are animals smart enough to make sentient choices such as whether or not to reproduce? Honestly, the stray bitch on the street barely surviving is not thinking 'I'm in heat, better stay to myself as I couldn't feed my puppies!' having a choice would entail the dogs to CHOOSE to get pregnant. Since they are instinct driven animals and cannot choose, this eliminates the 'choice' factor.
And also, are you kidding me? Animals spontaneously abort ALL THE TIME. Have you ever TRIED breeding a horse? They can be pregnant and then just randomly have an abortion for no reason. Hell, I've seen a mare five months into her pregnancy just pop out a horse fetus. Perfectly healthy mare, not stressed, just poppin' out a fetus for no reason. Same thing happens in dogs, cats, an pretty much everything else. Though, in human terms we call it a 'miscarriage' because if people went around saying 'I had a spontaneous abortion.' people would crucify them.
Let me make this perfectly clear; these so called pro-life people are fucked in the head. They are so short-sighted and narrow-minded that they are unable to see the consequences of their actions. Should they be allowed to continue with their bullshit agenda, it will be the end of ALL human life, and quite probably ALL life on Earth. This will happen sooner than you think, should we continue on the path we're on. Not only are these people against abortion, many are also against using contraception and many still advocate to reproduce prolifically in an already overpopulated world. Many are deluded into thinking that people will stay celibate until marriage, when anyone with a half a brain in their head, knows this doesn't happen. Another unplanned and unwanted pregnancy, hurry up and get married, because they taught their children that contraceptives and abortion is wrong. I grew up in a world that had half the number of people that there is today, and there was plenty of people around. More than enough. Where they get this idea that there aren't enough people is beyond me.We are currently adding about 75 million people to our population every year. That is far more people than in Mexico City, New York City, Los Angeles and Chicago metropolitan areas combined. Every person needs food, water and resources. We are currently using ALL the arable agricultural land on the planet. Our agriculture is heavily dependent on fossil fuels. The 'easy' oil is going to run out in about 40 years. Then what? Then we will have to use more coal and more natural gas to compensate. With an ever increasing population, these will soon be gone too. They will then use up all the biomass in only a couple of years. There will be wars, mass starvation and collapse of civilization. We need to turn this around, and quick. Keep in mind that if every female had only one child, starting today, global population would still increase for some time. Some people are deluded into believing that some 'miracle' technology will be developed. As far as I know, they are not making any more Earth. These pro-life idiots must get their unfounded idea that human life starts at the moment of conception out of their head. We must employ every strategy to reduce our population, including Universal contraception, family planning, delayed pregnancy and abortion if necessary. Again, I am pro-abortion, and if these pro-life idiots demonstrate, we should round them up, and send them to school, and teach them about overpopulation, sustainable development and the true nature of reproduction.
Oh, of course. I agree fully about Pro-lifers. I myself am Pro-choice. I more push for contraceptive use and pregnancy prevention measures.
I know what you mean, but Pro-abortion movements wouldn't gain much support, if only because of the name. Pro-abortion implies that you want everyone to have abortions. Pro-choice sounds nicer.
Have you looked at the PRegnancy crises center issue? These places pretend to be abortion clinics only to stress and lie to women about providing care and financial aid if they keep their babies.
Yes, I am aware of those pregnancy crisis center misinformation and religious cult recruitment places. Another tactic that they use, is they use lobby groups to enact legislation to purposely delay early abortion. As soon as a female becoomes pregnant, her body quickly undergoes a series of hormonal changes to prepare her for motherhood. This not only changes her body, but also changes her mind. The longer a woman is pregnant, the more likely it is she will want to keep the child. They know this. It is imperitive that if an abortion is necessary, that it should be done as soon as possible. These types of practices must be stopped for the benefit of all females. Remember that sometimes an abortion is necessary due to complications in the pregnancy, and sometimes these laws can delay an abortion procedure, thus putting her life at risk.
Honestly I don't see why the government (or anyone else) should have any say in what people do to their bodies. Because it IS their body. It's the womans body that changes to suit a baby that couldn't live without her. It gets air and food from her, it's inside her, and it couldn't survive without her making those changes to suit it's need. I think once the fetus gets past the viable stage (where it could potentially live on it's own) that abortion should no longer be an option without the risk of the mothers life.
Thats just my opinion, though. Seeing as the fetus could live on it's own it'd no longer HAVE to depend on her body. Although, mortality rates are really high at the beginning point in which this happens (I think it's like the seventh month.. The last trimester for sure.)
You have asked a valid question. Why the government interferes in a medical and health issue. Basically, it is usually because these so-called pro-life activists have used lobby and political pressure groups to persuade goverments to enact legislation to support (their usually) unfounded and twisted views that is usually based on an organized religious creed. In many cases, the elected or appointed government officials, are affiliated with these groups. It is also, quite often, more difficult or legislatively impossible to repeal these laws. Also, when a politician is asked about the abortion issue, they simply state that they are either pro-choice or pro-life. Neither, will do anything to solve the greater problem at hand, because they all view this as political suicide. Another reason, is that the silent majority stays silent on this issue, such that these vocal pro-life extremists prevail. We must stay silent no longer. The future of our life, and all life on Earth is at stake. The solution is to raise the higher question. Simply ask every elected official this question, "WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO TO SOLVE THE OVERPOPULATION PROBLEM?" Do not take a "no" or a refusal to answer as an answer. Keep asking. Do not take,"We'll study the problem" as an answer. Watch for politicians that cleverly try to change the topic. Point out that that is not a solution. Ask again. Do your research, some will try to sell the idea that overpopulation is not a problem; refute this. Only a clever and enlightened politician will include abortion law reform as part of a package to solve this crisis. Vote for them. Do not ask this question to politicians that you support mostly. Instead, ask this question to politicians you most despise. DO NOT ACT ALONE. Keep your identity secret. Use your 'secret weapon' to raise this issue; Facebook, Twitter and other social networking sites and public forums. Use email and letter writing campaigns only if you're organized or when it becomes widespread. Make it a public issue.
Please copy and keep the above. Start today. Do not restrict yourself to your own country, make this a global issue. Talk to any friends you might have in other countries about this.
I think preventative care should be stressed. I just seen a post here about a THIRTEEN year old girl who wanted to have sex with her boyfriend.
Maybe start Sex Ed earlier. Show the birthing video to those kids, show them how much kids cost. How much of their lives they'll have to give up. Repeat this every year till about 17-18 years old and then start pushing for 'safe sex' and contraceptives. With some of the condoms they make now 'it doesn't feel natural' just doesn't cut it.
Yes, let's over-populate the world with not only people, but with stray animals as well.
Maybe your grandchild could catch one of these strays, and at least they'll have a pet for company as they watch the end of life on Earth.
Please also note that this poll is strongly biased in favour of an irrational anti-abortion stance.
Please also note that the poster further confuses the issue by equating animal abortion with human abortion and declaring that it's wrong.
Also, most animals can't choose whether they have an abortion or not.
The poll choices should have simply been:
I'm for animal abortion
I'm against animal abortion
I'm a total whack job, with a hidden agenda
Other answer, I'll commment
The poll isn't biased because I don't have any agenda, I merely wanted to get a basic grasp on how people feel about it, I'm not mailing it to the president or something to stop animal abortions. Simple curiosity, that's all. I included an 'Other' option if you weren't happy with the other choices.
I am not a genius.
ProCHOICE is just that. It's for the CHOICE of having an abortion if you see fit. It's not neutral or 'meh, it exists' its an active movement to give people the choice, if they want to take it. Pro LIFE is against having an abortion except in rare occasions (rape, for example). Both are human terms and do not apply to animals.
Frankly, Pro-abortion would be a huge political cluster fuck as it would mean you are FOR abortions. Not just having a choice to get one, but actively pushing for everything to get an abortion. Could you see the campaign signs? Theres be like.. babies with X's through them or something.
And also, since when are animals smart enough to make sentient choices such as whether or not to reproduce? Honestly, the stray bitch on the street barely surviving is not thinking 'I'm in heat, better stay to myself as I couldn't feed my puppies!' having a choice would entail the dogs to CHOOSE to get pregnant. Since they are instinct driven animals and cannot choose, this eliminates the 'choice' factor.
And also, are you kidding me? Animals spontaneously abort ALL THE TIME. Have you ever TRIED breeding a horse? They can be pregnant and then just randomly have an abortion for no reason. Hell, I've seen a mare five months into her pregnancy just pop out a horse fetus. Perfectly healthy mare, not stressed, just poppin' out a fetus for no reason. Same thing happens in dogs, cats, an pretty much everything else. Though, in human terms we call it a 'miscarriage' because if people went around saying 'I had a spontaneous abortion.' people would crucify them.
Not only are these people against abortion, many are also against using contraception and many still advocate to reproduce prolifically in an already overpopulated world. Many are deluded into thinking that people will stay celibate until marriage, when anyone with a half a brain in their head, knows this doesn't happen. Another unplanned and unwanted pregnancy, hurry up and get married, because they taught their children that contraceptives and abortion is wrong.
I grew up in a world that had half the number of people that there is today, and there was plenty of people around. More than enough. Where they get this idea that there aren't enough people is beyond me.We are currently adding about 75 million people to our population every year. That is far more people than in Mexico City, New York City, Los Angeles and Chicago metropolitan areas combined. Every person needs food, water and resources. We are currently using ALL the arable agricultural land on the planet. Our agriculture is heavily dependent on fossil fuels. The 'easy' oil is going to run out in about 40 years. Then what? Then we will have to use more coal and more natural gas to compensate. With an ever increasing population, these will soon be gone too. They will then use up all the biomass in only a couple of years. There will be wars, mass starvation and collapse of civilization. We need to turn this around, and quick. Keep in mind that if every female had only one child, starting today, global population would still increase for some time. Some people are deluded into believing that some 'miracle' technology will be developed. As far as I know, they are not making any more Earth.
These pro-life idiots must get their unfounded idea that human life starts at the moment of conception out of their head. We must employ every strategy to reduce our population, including Universal contraception, family planning, delayed pregnancy and abortion if necessary.
Again, I am pro-abortion, and if these pro-life idiots demonstrate, we should round them up, and send them to school, and teach them about overpopulation, sustainable development and the true nature of reproduction.
I know what you mean, but Pro-abortion movements wouldn't gain much support, if only because of the name. Pro-abortion implies that you want everyone to have abortions. Pro-choice sounds nicer.
Have you looked at the PRegnancy crises center issue? These places pretend to be abortion clinics only to stress and lie to women about providing care and financial aid if they keep their babies.
Another tactic that they use, is they use lobby groups to enact legislation to purposely delay early abortion. As soon as a female becoomes pregnant, her body quickly undergoes a series of hormonal changes to prepare her for motherhood. This not only changes her body, but also changes her mind. The longer a woman is pregnant, the more likely it is she will want to keep the child. They know this. It is imperitive that if an abortion is necessary, that it should be done as soon as possible.
These types of practices must be stopped for the benefit of all females. Remember that sometimes an abortion is necessary due to complications in the pregnancy, and sometimes these laws can delay an abortion procedure, thus putting her life at risk.
Honestly I don't see why the government (or anyone else) should have any say in what people do to their bodies. Because it IS their body. It's the womans body that changes to suit a baby that couldn't live without her. It gets air and food from her, it's inside her, and it couldn't survive without her making those changes to suit it's need. I think once the fetus gets past the viable stage (where it could potentially live on it's own) that abortion should no longer be an option without the risk of the mothers life.
Thats just my opinion, though. Seeing as the fetus could live on it's own it'd no longer HAVE to depend on her body. Although, mortality rates are really high at the beginning point in which this happens (I think it's like the seventh month.. The last trimester for sure.)
Why the government interferes in a medical and health issue. Basically, it is usually because these so-called pro-life activists have used lobby and political pressure groups to persuade goverments to enact legislation to support (their usually) unfounded and twisted views that is usually based on an organized religious creed. In many cases, the elected or appointed government officials, are affiliated with these groups. It is also, quite often, more difficult or legislatively impossible to repeal these laws. Also, when a politician is asked about the abortion issue, they simply state that they are either pro-choice or pro-life. Neither, will do anything to solve the greater problem at hand, because they all view this as political suicide. Another reason, is that the silent majority stays silent on this issue, such that these vocal pro-life extremists prevail. We must stay silent no longer. The future of our life, and all life on Earth is at stake.
The solution is to raise the higher question. Simply ask every elected official this question, "WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO TO SOLVE THE OVERPOPULATION PROBLEM?"
Do not take a "no" or a refusal to answer as an answer. Keep asking. Do not take,"We'll study the problem" as an answer. Watch for politicians that cleverly try to change the topic. Point out that that is not a solution. Ask again. Do your research, some will try to sell the idea that overpopulation is not a problem; refute this. Only a clever and enlightened politician will include abortion law reform as part of a package to solve this crisis. Vote for them. Do not ask this question to politicians that you support mostly. Instead, ask this question to politicians you most despise.
DO NOT ACT ALONE. Keep your identity secret. Use your 'secret weapon' to raise this issue; Facebook, Twitter and other social networking sites and public forums. Use email and letter writing campaigns only if you're organized or when it becomes widespread. Make it a public issue.
Start today.
Do not restrict yourself to your own country, make this a global issue.
Talk to any friends you might have in other countries about this.
Maybe start Sex Ed earlier. Show the birthing video to those kids, show them how much kids cost. How much of their lives they'll have to give up. Repeat this every year till about 17-18 years old and then start pushing for 'safe sex' and contraceptives. With some of the condoms they make now 'it doesn't feel natural' just doesn't cut it.