To be honest, yes. I'm a veggie and I don't think eating swans is any worse than eating any other animal. Being white and graceful doesn't make something special.
I tend to assume everyone i meet online is from Australia or New Zealand. For some reason I have met a disproportionate number of pple from there on the internets.
Yep, I'm a Brit as well. Although the times we are posting wouldn't single us out as Brits. I think you posted at 3:30am and I'm posting this at 4:30am.
Weirdly, I had a theory about you that you'd been on the site previously with a different username (because of how quickly you've fitted in here). I even thought I knew who you were (they're American).
But nope, it appears you're just someone who fits in quickly. :P
Yeah, that's the thing. You just seemed really integrated and it made me wonder if you'd been here before. Maybe I'm just slow. It took me a couple of months before I felt part of it. :)
Actually, it seems the Americans are the minority here on Is It Normal, and its actually pretty cool, as most sites seem to be the opposite. Im an American myself, b.t.w.
If it's Bella Swan from Twilight than yeah, it's normal. lol. Seriously though, i don't think wanting to eat a swan is that normal. But you can eat whatever you want.
Lol I've wondered about this as well: whether it would be close to duck, goose, guinea fowl or turkey. I've tried ostrich meat which is very lean and similar to beef.
Maybe people somewhere do eat swan meat? Some foreign countries eat things that seem strange to us here in America. Even before I was a vegetarian, I never ate any meats besides the basic ones.
scram, tree-hugger. it's cool that you choose what you eat and what you don't -your right. But don't preach to other people who like their delicious bacon.
Take your own advice. If you can't stand the fact that someone has a valid opposing view, you're going to experience a great deal of anxiety in the *real* world.
Your so-called "choice" isn't that at all, and you know it. A choice would be to choose to wear the red hat, but not the blue one. It only affects you. That's a "choice." When decisions affect/result in the suffering and execution of others, that ceases to be a *mere choice,* do you understand now?
This isn't about "preaching" to other people like you, it's about fairness for other creatures - and this has nothing to do with me personally. Stop being so hypersensitive about "my rights, my rights" because the world doesn't revolve around you and you're selfish eating "habits."
I gain nothing personally out of speaking up for animals forced into suffering and death for your "use" and a minute's pleasure on your tongue so you can shit them out the next day without another thought. That's the difference in a nutshell: leaving other creatures alone isn't preaching, it's all about morality and ethics. What can you say for yourself other than you're smugly selfish and childlishly trying to justify said selfishiness?
Would you have also told Harriet Tubman that her activities to free (human) slaves was "preaching" to you as well? I suspect you would have told her that because slaves save you labour, it's your "choice" to go on using them as you "please," because after all, in her day and time, they were just considered *animals*, too.
Don't presume to preach some nonsense about "my rights my rights" and "my choices" when the lives of others are in the mix, too. You conveniently forget about them. I won't, and I'm not going to let you, either.
Hmm.. I thought I was clear enough in my previous comment. 0_o Oh well, I'm bored enough to answer. But it's gonna be a short one, cause I already forgot half of your scroll, and I'm typing on a phone.
I have absolutely no problem with other people's choices. However you DO need to read your own comment and act accordingly. I remember something about "bloodthirsty morlocks", miss. Why suddenly you become so civilized when you need to preach? Lol.
I want to eat bacon without you whining about it. You want to avoid consuming meat without me laughing at you. I think it's a deal, I don't have any problems with vegetarians as long as they mind their own business.
Wait I have a joke for you:
-"How do you know someone is a vegan? " -"Don't worry, they'll fucking TELL ya all about it"
I'm not "whining" about anything. I'm reminding you that your "eating bacon" comes at a very personal cost to another being who didn't want to die but was forced to give up her life so you can have a moment of selfish pleasure.
Calling it like it is doesn't constitute whining, so please, do remember that bit of counseling about defensiveness!
oh, gimme a break -you're that scribbled me a scroll after i commented on your little outburst there. And you tell me about defensiveness? :)
You don't need to remind me anything, I worked on a farm for a long time. We're carnivores and we kill for food. Some of us are..well.. have their own weird ideas, but that's ok.
It's a cycle -if there was someone higher than us in the food chain, and that being, whatever it is would hunt and cultivate us for food then that would be the natural way of things. But there isn't. So, that's all I need to know.
Divulging that you "worked on a farm" is meaningless because it just demonstrates the level of insensitivity that one MUST accept if one is to "operate" that farm. After all, cows are put in the "rape rack" to be fertilized BY HUMAN HANDS.
And please take a biology class, humans are *NOT* "carnivores." Examples of actual carnivores would be lions, orca, and Peregrine falcons, NOT humans. If you don't understand the difference between "omnivore," which is probably what you meant, and "carnivore," look it up before posting.
We're not omnivores either because we're primates and our closest relatives, the Bonobo monkey and the Chimpanzee both kill and consume other animals. However, it is worthwhile noting that they ONLY kill and eat *other* primates, and that doing so is a territorial display and a warning to other primates which might try to infringe territorially.
Humans lack all the basic features needed for even an omnivorous diet and all societies wherein flesh is consumed - especially in great quantities - are associated with numerous tell-tale diseases: coronary disease, colon cancers, gout, obesity, and other diabetes.
Your statements, followed by a declaration of "that's all I need to know" just confirmed that you don't, in fact, know nearly as much as you would like to think that you do.
Try understanding that your cultural biases and subjectivity aren't facts or evidence, they are merely what we are taught to believe and that these things are made up in the mind. That's why we have something called "science," to dispel all the myths and nonsense humans cling to in their "cultures."
God, your whole relpy is based on countless assumptions that just aren't true. Of course, when you're so self-righteous, like many others in your case -it's easier to switch to "relentless attack mode" and yap until your mouth starts to foam. Fair enough.
There was no "intensity" or "rape racks". The farm was organic, probably I won't have to explain to you what that means. Killing is natural to me and other people I've worked with. There are no myths, no brainwashing. I'm hungry -i kill. Whether it's deer hunting and then freezing venicine for the whole winter, or our own cows. The cows, actually had a a pretty good life and the chickens are free-ranged. But yes, most of these animals are bred to become a meal.
I meant carnivores, luv. I eat meat. I rarely eat other stuff... yeah, some bread and potatoes occasionally, and salads. But all this is optional, my main diet is meat. I'm healthy, very fit and strong. So is my family. The deceases you're talking about usually happen when you consume a low grade processed meat. Only the alst few years I had to buy my food in supermarkets and it's shit. However I wouldn't trust every little "research" you find on the internet. The "science" is well known for contradicting itself every time a new, revolutionary research is published.
So, this is getting tired. None of us will win this argument because there's nothing to win. We think differently and live our lives differently. Hence, I'd like to repeat - Scram, tree-hugger.
Now you're telling us that keeping captives and killing them at will is "normal?" What're you going to tell us next, that keeping slaves and forcing them to work is normal, too? Oh, wait...it actually was, in the USA, for example, until 1865.
Declaring that a creature was "bred to be a meal" is analogous to claiming that Africans "exist to be slaves," as both are excuses, rationales and justifications for one group to victimize and abuse another. And regardless of what you CHOOSE to "believe," nothing will change that factuality and timeless truth.
The point is that you're trying to justify killing animals because "you are hungry." Go eat an apple in that case, the tree produces it with the intention that you should eat it. And STOP lying about the rape racks, because the use of those has been documented. If those weren't used on the "farm" you worked at, then that would be unusual, but I am certain there was plenty of FISTING going on, as that's the way the cows are forcibly inseminated. Don't *presume* to tell me or anyone that the cows had a "good life" because YOU didn't live *their* lives and unless that cow jumped up willingly on your plate, she didn't give her consent to die, did she. Have you EVER seen that happen? No, and you never will. Ending the life of another isn't a "good life" - we don't kill something we like or love, do we? You have no clue just how ridiculous your statements sound to anyone with critical thinking skills.
Then you have the audacity to proclaim that "I'm hungry - I kill" because YOU are self-righteous and think you're entitled to simply do as you please but project this onto someone who is rightfully critiquing you for your own self-admitted behaviours. If anyone is in attack mode, just examine your own statements and then wake the hell up already because you succeeded only in advertising your bloodthirstiness, little more.
So, let me ask you this, then: What's stopping you from carving up the next moving thing you see, human or otherwise? How do I know you can be trusted after you make those kinds of statements, and then you have the gumption to tell me that I am foaming at the mouth?
You showed your true colours, and it didn't take much for that to happen. Why don't you scram and take your own advice. Oh, and please don't KILL anything in your path because you're "hungry" and evidently are brainwashed to think that stuffing your face with flesh is somehow a "good thing."
In response to the question I was asked I wouldn't particularly want to eat a swan even if I was offered one already cooked.
But nope, it appears you're just someone who fits in quickly. :P
I'd try swan, not particularly put off because I don't like birds.
I've eaten kangaroo and such, don't really like it.
I say -it looks like a big ass duck, it walks like a duck -i'll eat it.
why aren't ther any non sexual posts on this site!!!
12 gauge #4 shot would probably do the job.
Your so-called "choice" isn't that at all, and you know it. A choice would be to choose to wear the red hat, but not the blue one. It only affects you. That's a "choice." When decisions affect/result in the suffering and execution of others, that ceases to be a *mere choice,* do you understand now?
This isn't about "preaching" to other people like you, it's about fairness for other creatures - and this has nothing to do with me personally. Stop being so hypersensitive about "my rights, my rights" because the world doesn't revolve around you and you're selfish eating "habits."
I gain nothing personally out of speaking up for animals forced into suffering and death for your "use" and a minute's pleasure on your tongue so you can shit them out the next day without another thought. That's the difference in a nutshell: leaving other creatures alone isn't preaching, it's all about morality and ethics. What can you say for yourself other than you're smugly selfish and childlishly trying to justify said selfishiness?
Would you have also told Harriet Tubman that her activities to free (human) slaves was "preaching" to you as well? I suspect you would have told her that because slaves save you labour, it's your "choice" to go on using them as you "please," because after all, in her day and time, they were just considered *animals*, too.
Don't presume to preach some nonsense about "my rights my rights" and "my choices" when the lives of others are in the mix, too. You conveniently forget about them. I won't, and I'm not going to let you, either.
Oh well, I'm bored enough to answer. But it's gonna be a short one, cause I already forgot half of your scroll, and I'm typing on a phone.
I have absolutely no problem with other people's choices. However you DO need to read your own comment and act accordingly. I remember something about "bloodthirsty morlocks", miss. Why suddenly you become so civilized when you need to preach? Lol.
I want to eat bacon without you whining about it. You want to avoid consuming meat without me laughing at you. I think it's a deal, I don't have any problems with vegetarians as long as they mind their own business.
Wait I have a joke for you:
-"How do you know someone is a vegan? "
-"Don't worry, they'll fucking TELL ya all about it"
;)
Calling it like it is doesn't constitute whining, so please, do remember that bit of counseling about defensiveness!
You don't need to remind me anything, I worked on a farm for a long time. We're carnivores and we kill for food. Some of us are..well.. have their own weird ideas, but that's ok.
It's a cycle -if there was someone higher than us in the food chain, and that being, whatever it is would hunt and cultivate us for food then that would be the natural way of things. But there isn't. So, that's all I need to know.
Divulging that you "worked on a farm" is meaningless because it just demonstrates the level of insensitivity that one MUST accept if one is to "operate" that farm. After all, cows are put in the "rape rack" to be fertilized BY HUMAN HANDS.
And please take a biology class, humans are *NOT* "carnivores." Examples of actual carnivores would be lions, orca, and Peregrine falcons, NOT humans. If you don't understand the difference between "omnivore," which is probably what you meant, and "carnivore," look it up before posting.
We're not omnivores either because we're primates and our closest relatives, the Bonobo monkey and the Chimpanzee both kill and consume other animals. However, it is worthwhile noting that they ONLY kill and eat *other* primates, and that doing so is a territorial display and a warning to other primates which might try to infringe territorially.
Humans lack all the basic features needed for even an omnivorous diet and all societies wherein flesh is consumed - especially in great quantities - are associated with numerous tell-tale diseases: coronary disease, colon cancers, gout, obesity, and other diabetes.
Your statements, followed by a declaration of "that's all I need to know" just confirmed that you don't, in fact, know nearly as much as you would like to think that you do.
Try understanding that your cultural biases and subjectivity aren't facts or evidence, they are merely what we are taught to believe and that these things are made up in the mind. That's why we have something called "science," to dispel all the myths and nonsense humans cling to in their "cultures."
There was no "intensity" or "rape racks". The farm was organic, probably I won't have to explain to you what that means. Killing is natural to me and other people I've worked with. There are no myths, no brainwashing. I'm hungry -i kill. Whether it's deer hunting and then freezing venicine for the whole winter, or our own cows. The cows, actually had a a pretty good life and the chickens are free-ranged. But yes, most of these animals are bred to become a meal.
I meant carnivores, luv. I eat meat. I rarely eat other stuff... yeah, some bread and potatoes occasionally, and salads. But all this is optional, my main diet is meat. I'm healthy, very fit and strong. So is my family. The deceases you're talking about usually happen when you consume a low grade processed meat. Only the alst few years I had to buy my food in supermarkets and it's shit. However I wouldn't trust every little "research" you find on the internet. The "science" is well known for contradicting itself every time a new, revolutionary research is published.
So, this is getting tired. None of us will win this argument because there's nothing to win. We think differently and live our lives differently. Hence, I'd like to repeat - Scram, tree-hugger.
Now you're telling us that keeping captives and killing them at will is "normal?" What're you going to tell us next, that keeping slaves and forcing them to work is normal, too? Oh, wait...it actually was, in the USA, for example, until 1865.
Declaring that a creature was "bred to be a meal" is analogous to claiming that Africans "exist to be slaves," as both are excuses, rationales and justifications for one group to victimize and abuse another. And regardless of what you CHOOSE to "believe," nothing will change that factuality and timeless truth.
The point is that you're trying to justify killing animals because "you are hungry." Go eat an apple in that case, the tree produces it with the intention that you should eat it. And STOP lying about the rape racks, because the use of those has been documented. If those weren't used on the "farm" you worked at, then that would be unusual, but I am certain there was plenty of FISTING going on, as that's the way the cows are forcibly inseminated. Don't *presume* to tell me or anyone that the cows had a "good life" because YOU didn't live *their* lives and unless that cow jumped up willingly on your plate, she didn't give her consent to die, did she. Have you EVER seen that happen? No, and you never will. Ending the life of another isn't a "good life" - we don't kill something we like or love, do we? You have no clue just how ridiculous your statements sound to anyone with critical thinking skills.
Then you have the audacity to proclaim that "I'm hungry - I kill" because YOU are self-righteous and think you're entitled to simply do as you please but project this onto someone who is rightfully critiquing you for your own self-admitted behaviours. If anyone is in attack mode, just examine your own statements and then wake the hell up already because you succeeded only in advertising your bloodthirstiness, little more.
So, let me ask you this, then: What's stopping you from carving up the next moving thing you see, human or otherwise? How do I know you can be trusted after you make those kinds of statements, and then you have the gumption to tell me that I am foaming at the mouth?
You showed your true colours, and it didn't take much for that to happen. Why don't you scram and take your own advice. Oh, and please don't KILL anything in your path because you're "hungry" and evidently are brainwashed to think that stuffing your face with flesh is somehow a "good thing."
Buh bye.