Surely if women are to be treated 100% equal to men, they are to be treated like men.
Do you agree that women should be treated like men if we are seeking out equality?
Do you agree that women should be treated like men if we are seeking out equality?
Equality means being treated as equals. Equal means being the same. If we are not equal, then we aren't equal. You can't say "We're equal, yet not equal, so we should be treated equally in a non equal way".
Regardless what everyone "likes" to believe on their whole human philosophy statements, people sharing the same gender are more likely to be the same as the person sharing their gender than someone from the opposite gender. Yes, we are different, but we are different in ways that are closer to being the same as others in our gender.
I know that you are trying to bring peace in to this discussion, but I start to get irritated by these statements, that we are all different, and gender doesn't make people have a lot of simularities, because it does.
More men than women like sports, why is that? Because sports is a physical competition which males natrually enjoy. Is it just a coinsidence that everyone thhat is supposed to be different like to engage in the same thing when the majority that do are one specific gender? No.
Yes, we are different in area, but we are also the same in a lot of other areas due to our gender.
And to use your sports analgy, why are you depriving me of playing games? I may not like the same games. And some are harder for me to play, but why am I not allowed access to the same opportunity for physical activity. Let's figure it out. We can work together. Maybe I don't want to play the same game. Let me decide that, but I would appreciate access to the field.
I'm sorry if you are irritated. But I am curious as to the type of women who influenced your life. In my experience, women don't want to be treated the same. We want balance. We want respect for our role in life. Not to be looked down upon because some man thinks they are naturally better. Stronger. Muscles aren't the only thing that give you strength. And you seem to forget that men wouldn't be half the person they are if it wasn't for a women. The same is true for women. Do we need each other, yes. For without balance between the sexes, things go terribly wrong.
The dance thing, I would have to dissagree. It involved movement, etc, just like sports does, which is why a lot of footballers have done some balley. The people that are most remembered for their dancing tend to be males. More women than males are dancers, that doesn't mean they are better at dancing.
I am not depriving you of playing games, play them if you want, just don't herald yourself the best when you are the only the best in the woman's league and not in every league, that is my problem. I have never said women shouldn't be allowed to engage in sports, and I will never think such a thing.
Women in general have been in my life. As for influences, I wouldn't say any, I have influenced myself in to things. I have been more social with women than men, and I know more women than I do men.
I don't buy that balance thing. Yes, some do, but I definetly think it is the minority. The majority of females are against males being able to claim financial abortion, which would be the equivilent of abortion for women, something that women have that men would like to have, yet they are against that equality because it involves them not gaining something and not giving them more power. Not all think it's wrong for men to claim financial aboriton but most do in my experiences.
You don't deserve respect for "your" role in society because "your" role is the same as the man's "role", except males are far more likely, by far, to be put in areas of risk in jobs, yet are paid the same as the women that are not being made to put their lives and health at risk like the men are. I would respect the male gender more for their role in society more than women's due to them sacrificing and risking more to keep society going, I can't and won't see females as a group deserving as much respect until they are at risks willingly in jobs as much as males are. People might not like that, and I don't see why they would, it's completely logical to respect someone putting themselves in the worst areas of risk in jobs than the ones that aren't.
I don't look down on women, nobody should look down on them, that doesn't mean that I have to look up to them as much as I do the male gender, if that makes sense. I don't see myself as greater than women I obviously am greater than, and I can accept when a woman is greater than me.
Yes, but all those things that involve strength, men possess more of, just like women are more emotional.
I don't agree with that last statement about men wouldn't be half the person they can be without a woman. Are you to say those doomed to never have a connection with a woman aren't half the people they could be? I dissagree completely.
As for the balance thing, I would dissagree aswell. When womend idn't have rights, males started society and civilization, and it's because of those times we have evolved these times of technology etc. Do I think women deserve rights? Ofcourse I do, do I think without balance between the sexes we will take a turn for the worst? No.
And you missed my point. It takes both genders to create. Men would be nothing without the nurturing feminine qualities that give birth to expression. And women would be nothing without the masculine qualities that feed it energy to manifest.
If someone is better at sports than the other, that doens't make them "different", it makes them better at the sport.
I have to dissagree with that last bit aswell. What you are suggesting is saying that a gay couple can't raise a child right, and that a lesbian couple can't raise a child right, which there was an article stating that they are raised just like normal children.
You do realize that gay people aren't always in a relationship with a feminine man, right? So those people aren't raising their children correctly because they aren't including feminine lessons, etc?
So, to treat women like they are men, or men like they are women, is sort of absurd. To discriminate against one or the other because they don't act exactly the same as the other gender is prejudicial and nonsensical.
When women cry for equality, it is mostly about rights, not whose going to pay for the date or who's allowed to hit whom. Women are still marginalized in the working world and at home, even in western cultures. Denying that is like denying the Holocaust.
Equal pay and able to clear off to the bar with mates after work while the man picks up the kids, does the homework, makes the dinner, tidies up ....
Would love it ItDuz!!
Women aren't forced to do those things you know. But hey, if that's the cae, I'm sure those coal miners would love to switch digging to the center of the Earth, shaking hands with the devil for a job they can do the majority of in thier pajajmas.
I just don't think we should treat them the same. For example, if I gave my best friend flowers on valentine's day I'd get some weird looks. Certain things are meant for women.
"Polite, respectful, or considerate in manner."
So it's n ot a bad thing that men aren't being treated with respect and politeness as much as females are? If we were to treat men with more respect and manners, we would be considered sexist.
If women get offended by getting treated the same, then they aren't the same, nor should males have to cater to their needs of feeling respected.
Hmmmm... Ya I wouldn't call it a lesser form of respect since they say things like that with a sense of trust established. Trusting that the other wont take serious offensive and trust that no one will take things too far. But I'd definately call it a different form of respect.
And you're last point there is what I was trying to say. If they get offended by that behaviour then they aren't the same. So they should be treated with a different respect. We treat everyone in our lives that little bit different, and in a sense we are catering to their needs of feeling respected that way. Which bringd be back to saying I don't think it can be generalized by gender since its mostly about their personality
I think I got what you said wrong. I thought you were meaning we treat them with more respect, not a different form of respect.
I apologize.
Thanks for the conversation.
Cos in saying "yes, treat us like men!" it means EVERYTHING, not just the parts you like the best.
Including
- Having them fart & belch without hiding it
- Talking sports
- Hearing about which girl has the biggest tits, or which is the most "doable"
- More action movies, less Nicholas Sparks.
Cos remember, you want to be treated like a man, right?
In my opinion though, many woman don't really want this... but rather they want the men to be more like women.
But me, I say "Yes". I don't like Nicholas Sparks movies anyway. And frankly I've already heard or seen guys doing all of the others on my list so... ain't like it's something new to me.
Although I sure as fuck am going to see Les Mis when it comes out. Even if it means going alone cos he hates musicals.
i still hold that many women want men to treat them the same... but really they want to be treated better than men.
cos sure... we often think men don't fart cos... we're use to them holding it back to not offend us. around each other though... different story.
try living on a ship full of mostly men and you'll see a big difference when they don't treat you as being more special
I'm talking about if ALL men treated women exactly like men. Not just your man, or my man.
I worked in a male-dominated field and had coworkers who didn't treat me any different just cos i was female.
Examples...
"I hope I see her tits before she dies" - actual statement made by a coworker while watching a werewolf flick.
Hearing about which actress must have been feeling "nippily" during which movie scene (I still remember them pointing out the one at the end of Batman Begins when Rachel Dawes is talking to Batman about his "mask").
Hearing them fart or burp at work
"Good game" taps.
just to name a few.
THIS is why I say, women claim they want to be treated the same as a man. But in reality what they really want is to be treated better than how men treat each other.
Talking sports is something I wouldn't care much for, it's better than the alternative. More action films? How exactly is them watching more action films going to be a thing I should be careful for wishing?...
This questions isn't what someone wants, it's about how they should be treated.
Also, a lot of males like "chick flicks".
the problem is... like i said earlier...
i don't think a lot of women really want to be treated differently then men... as in they want to be treated BETTER.
i'm just saying that many women EXPECT to be treated superior
I meant to say they don't want to be treated the same as men.
they want to be treated superior to them.
Actually here's a story I posted a long time ago.
http://isitnormal.com/story/is-it-normal-that-i-treat-my-female-friends-like-my-male-friends-97103/
I think that women should be treated very similar, but still take into account the different likes/dislikes and wants/needs of women and men! As far as working, and money, and military service yes, I think they should be treated the same.
It does burn my britches that if I don't sign up for the draft I will go to jail, but they don't have to sign up though.