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ok some stupid hippy idiot from iceland posts an article posted by some idiot professor who must have been having a wank whilst writing the tripe. Supposed to be funny/yet oh so meaningful. The point of the article is that we should bomb iceland instead of iran because we dont have a reason to bomb iran we just want to bomb someone. ignore the fact that iran is a hostage taking terrorist supporting allah worshipping death to america chanting nuclear bomb building dictatorship of mullahs. that pisses me off. i feel like slapping all idiots across their collective mouths when i read this garbage. Am I normal?
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How do I know when and how?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_history#United_States_and_the_Shah
If you read from "United States and the Shah"
and from there on you can see the real reason for why Iranians hate Americans and western culture.
well i love the Iranians and you should be ashamed of your self ... Just kiddin'I FUCKIN' HATE them with every atom in my body the fuckers. And by the way they are not Muslims they're Shi'a from what i understand..
You guys have been watching American television and you know just about nothing about Iran other than what the "news" stations there teach you.
I mean, how could you guys be so fucked up and ignorant otherwise?
Even when the very information is presented to you you refuse to read it because you´re afraid it might challenge your oh-so weakly supported sentiment.
Thing is, if you would read it you would have to start rethinking your stand.
And who wants to do that?
The mob mentality that scares me is the one in the united states.
You are a very dangerous country.
When it comes to religious extremism not only is the usa amongst the most religious countries in the world, it's main allies, Israel and Saudi Arabia are amongst the worst as well.
So pointing out that Iran is very religious is obviously a fake excuse for exercising hostility towards the country.
Israel and Saudi Arabia are just as bad and your government loves them.
You Americans are making the case that Iran should be destroyed.
Okey, present your case.
Your arguments will be heard.
that wouldnt be the "destruction" of Iran, it would be the liberation of Iran.
The US and Israel are both democracies. the populations of both countries have made mistakes, as is evidenced by the current leaders of both countries. but that will also change in bothe countries shortly, when new voting is done
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there is only so long that people can use colonialism and events that happened 60 years ago as excuses for why they are complacently living under an islamic dictatorship run by mullahs where women are stoned to death for adultary and crowds are whipped up into religious frenzies while loudly wishing for the destruction of other countries and suicide killers are honored. wake up.
Many Americans have been loudly expressing their sentiment that many other nations should be destroyed.
The very poster of this story was mad because i answered his screaming that Iran should be destroyed.
And those who murder at government orders are honored in every nation on Earth. And the more risk there is involved in the killing the more honor is considered to be in the act.
That goes for Americans, Britons, Japanese, Germans and basically everybody.
which makes Iran very normal.
Since the Americans and Britons overthrew the democratic government in 1953 in order to install a pet dictatorship so that they could steal the oil (see post above) shows that the nature of those foreigners is such that the country is in no better hands under them than under the current regime.
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/regions/manchester/2005/09/323843.html
http://www.amnesty.org.uk/news_details.asp?NewsID=17211
http://hrw.org/english/docs/2004/06/07/iran8774.htm
the current iranian govt has tortured and killed thousands of people in contemporary times. now they are trying to build nuclear bombs. they are not peaceful. a government that celebrates suicide killers is not peaceful.
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You have torture stations in many places of the world where hundreds of people are tortured to death every year.
You have murdered far more people than Iran, both in recent history and long.
You have supported a large amount of dictators to power.
2. You have nuclear bombs yourselves.
Your governments interference in the middle east is all about making money, and obviously so.
It's so weird how many Americans think that their governments crimes against humanity are all about them "trying to help".
we have made more progress since the 15th century than the islamic world. and that difference, the difference between progress, secular science, vs. religious fundamentalism and organized public hate rallies, is really what this world wide war is about.
the civil war in lebanon, armed and funded in large part by the govt of iran, killed 1 million people. the ayatollah's war with iraq in the 10980s killed a combined 1 million iraqis and iranians. all over iran, irani citizens are tortured and executed by their extremist government.
when you say that all countries honor those who have killed on behalf of their govt, you equate soldiers with brainwashed fanatics who strap explosives on and maime and kill civilians as their objective. that comparison is not legitimate.
the only reason they havent killed more people is because they cant. they would certainly kill all 5 million israelis if they could. and when they shout "death to america", they dont mean it figuratively. and they dont only mean america.
hopefully, our governments, both in the US and europe, will not allow the iranians to develp nuclear bombs.
When bombers fly over a city and drop thousands of tons of bombs on random targets in a city, they are doing the same act as suicide bombers are doing.
The ethics are no different.
If you think there is an ethical difference, let me know.
"difference between progress, secular science, vs. religious fundamentalism and organized public hate rallies, is really what this world wide war is about."
I take it we should bomb Israel then?
it was actually Iraq that attacked Iran. And it was with heavy western support despite Saddam using weapons of mass destruction to execute civilians, (wmds manufactured and sold from the west).
Even when Saddam was murdering civilians by the thousands with weapons of mass destruction, the shipments of weapons from the us of a continued to flow in like never before.
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If Iran had agitated and helped other nations to virtually destroy the usa in the 1980s, shoot down passenger airliners full of American citizens over American soil, overthrow the government to install a pet dictator so that they could steal the countries sources,
would you not get angry?
I would.
That's exactly what the Iranians have been going through.
Lebanon has been at least twice bombed to hell by the Israelis with American taxpayer money.
The reason Hezbollah is so popular in Lebanon is because they are the only ones who actually defend the country.
They need all the Iranian support they can get.
So you say the Iranian government wants to kill basically the entire world?
I don't believe you, sorry.
They need all the Iranian support they can get."
Hezbollah is a islamist facist organization bent on enslaving the population of its country into a taliban style system of government. Hezbollah defends Lebanon? then who's going to defend Lebanon from Hezbollah?
"If Iran had agitated and helped other nations to virtually destroy the usa in the 1980s, shoot down passenger airliners full of American citizens over American soil, overthrow the government to install a pet dictator so that they could steal the countries sources,
would you not get angry?"
maybe i would be angry, but even so, i would never want a group of religious clerics to run my country, stone homosexuals and women, have neighbors form morality commitees, have mullahs organize massive hate rallies, have my government advocate the destruction of other countries, or have them build nuclear bombs.
maybe the anger you are talking about is the same anger the germans felt when they put hitler into power. maybe its the anger that white southerners felt after the civil war when they formed the ku klux klan. maybe its understandable or at least has some reason to it. but dont make excuses for it. dont defend it just because you believe that your enemy's enemy is your friend. when you do that, you are what Stalin used to call "a useful idiot".
But the Americans are no repulsion to that.
The Saudis stone women as well.
It's a bad dictatorship and carries very little respect for human rights.
They are nevertheless Americas number two ally,
right after Israel. The USA would even defend this dictatorship if necessary.
The Americans supported the Taliban, Pol Pot, Joseph Stalin, Augusto Pinochet, Saddam Hussein and many many more to power.
They support whomever is profitable to support.
They certainly support and have executed the destruction of entire nations, they have supported huge amounts of dictators to power and they have massed up unfounded hatred against other nations, time and time again.
"dont defend it just because you believe that your enemy's enemy is your friend. when you do that, you are what Stalin used to call "a useful idiot"
A court where only one side speaks is destined for injustice. Iran has no spokesman here whereas the usa has many.
I'm fixing that.
Joseph Stalin and Saddam Hussein were already in power when they received the support.
your contention that the US "supported" the absolute dictator of its arch rival the USSR is absurd. if you mean that the us was allies with russia for 3 years during WWII, thats true. but that is not "supporting Stalin".
i dont know what aid the US gave to Pol Pot, if any, but that regime's main supporter was the Peoples Republic of China. so please direct future political tirades against them, not the US, when the matter of Pol Pot comes up.
you need to know some history, and by that i mean be widely read, not just graze through diatribes you find through google that support your view. if you continue to do that, you won't know very much more then you know now. and you dont seem to know that much now.
And it would be weak of me not to put my knowledge to the test.
"if you mean that the us was allies with russia for 3 years during WWII, thats true. but that is not "supporting Stalin"".
Joseph Stalin was the absolute dictator of the empire.
It's not just an alliance with him, massive amounts of weapons were sent to him directly from the states. Some Icelanders participated in the venture privately since it went through the north Atlantic.
He was far worse than the Nazis.
"i dont know what aid the US gave to Pol Pot, if any, but that regime's main supporter was the Peoples Republic of China. so please direct future political tirades against them, not the US, when the matter of Pol Pot comes up."
There are no Chinese people here trying to tell me that it would be a great thing if they attacked this or the other country.
Yes they were not the taliban at the time but..
"Al-Qaida, literally "the database", was originally the computer file of the thousands of mujahideen who were recruited and trained with help from the CIA to defeat the Russians"
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you could have been their spokesperson against those narrow-minded british for example. you could have told them Hitler wasnt so bad and besides, the British have enslaved people for hundreds of years so what's the difference really?
I get your point. but honestly i think you could spend your time better.
And yes, i could do a major case defending them.
And no that would be a far cry from a waste of time.
I would though be in danger because in some countries, at least in France, it is illegal to defend them.
but that is no excuse to defend iran, hezbollah, the taliban, Osama bin Laden etc. etc., because as a citizen of western civilization that is just plain f*cking jack ass stupid. those forces want to destroy your civilization.
just call americans arrogant hypocritical jackasses and i will totally agree. but dont defend the indefensible.
and thats all im going to say on this.
if you defended nazis in front of me, i'd punch you in the face. even though im only 4'2", i would jump up and punch you right in the face hard enough to knock all your teeth out.
So there's no need to be afraid.
But well that is quite common, specially in the USA right?
Ive watched some funny documentations about the Nazis. When they are talking about the Nazis there is this dark evil music. When the Allies are shown then the music turns to a light happy music. Like movies for children with a good guy and an evil guy. Like watching Batman or Spiderman or X-men. hmm, possibly biased documentation? :)
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maybe the anger you are talking about is the same anger the germans felt when they put hitler into power. maybe its the anger that white southerners felt after the civil war when they formed the ku klux klan. maybe its understandable or at least has some reason to it. but dont make excuses for it.
So this is a good point. This is what worries me most about USA and Western policies.
The hatred towards the west is growing and I feel like we are fueling that hatred.
You're talking to someone else there.
So this is your response to my comments? Im not Mimir2. I want the West to keep on thinking about them selfs. It is probably good for the West to hold the middle-east on their knees as they have done for 100 years. At least in the short run. Imagine a united middle-east with all that oil and industry and an army with it? Well that is what the West was afraid would happen in the WWI. And yebb, they took care of that problem and made alot of bucks and grabbed alot of power in the process. Mimir2 doesnt like it. I like it. Im just afraid of the anger from the middle-east. Because that is a threat to the West. Im happy about how fucked up the middle east is.
It would be better if the mid east were reformed, and better off economically, but that will not happen with this upcoming generation of mid easterners, who are very radical. All we can hope to do is not let this upcoming generation of mid easterners acquire weapons they could use to effectively attack us.
That's why stupid jerkoffs who defend the regime of Iran and others in the middle east are morons - they play their polemic games while a gun is pointed to their heads, and the heads of their children and grandchildren. That's why way back in Soviet communist times Joseph Stalin termed these types of people "useful idiots", because they serve the purpose of their enemies while being ignorant and blind to that enemy's true nature.
you're a useful idiot yourself.
Your opinions are tailor made to American foreign policy.
Don't you think that overthrowing the democracy in Iran in 1953 and installing a dictator has had a bad effect on the way Persians view the usa and britain?
Or when the usa shot down an Iranian airliner packed with iranian passenger down over Iranian soil?
Or when the usa agitated and supported saddam hussein in attacking their country?
Or stealing their oil from 1953 to 1979.
Not to mention the impending invasion bythe us and israel right now.
Don't even try to tell me that if you were in their shoes that you would not be angry about this.