If you were as close to your mother as you claim, you wouldn't be sexually attracted to her.

And considering the many other stories on IIN like this that have been written by trolls and attention seekers, your story is 99.9% likely to be just as fake as them.

What kind of "card" accident did your dad croak from; birthday card or credit card?
I say keep eating your mom's twat, in fact videotape it and put it on the internet.

It sounds like you're in the wrong.Because you were the one who started kissing on your mother.It seems to me you are bi or lesbian hiding your feelings behind and excuse.In other words.Pardon my fench but,YOU'RE A SICK SON OF A BITCH.

When I got done reading that I didn't know whether to laugh or throw up. Thats pretty fucked up, really....you should stop immediately! Go see a psychiatrist!

so what size breasts do you and mom have?

I've been thinking of this post for an hour...

Like, Stargirl, above, I'm kind of thinking that it might be a joke, what with all the incest posts around here lately. But... It DOES have a sort of ring of truth to it, so let me answer you this way, poster.

I've been giving a lot of thought to Adult (or nearly adult, sixteen is old enough to know what you are getting into) incest and I have concluded that - although many people would say it is Not "normal" - so long as Both the parties involved are okay with it, it is, okay.

I do have some worries about babies born out of it, but it would not happen in this case.

I also think you should be aware that, if you continue this you need to SERIOUSLY keep your mouth shut about it. Some states it is okay, and in the UK the AOC is sixteen. In other areas it would land your mom in legal trouble Big Time.

After you turn eighteen, well, Still keep your mouth closed about it. No sense tempting fate.

Please, be well and happy.

Tobra

You're so frikkin GAY October.

And you are possibly the biggest asshole I've ever encountered.

Ms. October (to you)

Find a boyfriend and your desire to get intimate with your mother will subside and eventually go away. If you are not attracted to guys, then find a girl to satisfy your intimate/sexual needs. Simple enough, distance yourself from family members physically, but you can relate to them verbally.

If you value family relationships, a healthy living, you will not use them for your sexual gratification. There are million of people out there for us to pursue, that is what nature intended for us to target, not close family members.

Good luck!

why would you do that, she's ur mom, gross!! find a guy real fast!!!

Interesting. Yes let me conclude...

You are one nasty opportunist slutwhore who has taken the defintion of "slut" to a new low record.

You sicken me to even pull this load of bullshit from your ass.

Tobra,

Are you seriously saying that a daughter and mother fucking each other is ok as long as nobody gets hurt?

Sorry Tobra, but mother nature gave us certain boundaries that are there for a reason....mother and daughter sex is something that is beyond fucked up and twisted even if nobody is getting "hurt"....just like father/daughter sex or father/son sex.

Yeah right ! another 40 year old male pervert wrote this

Stargirl,

I am not sure if it is "okay" per se'. Like you, I have doubts that this is a real post.

In thinking it over, and maybe I need to think on it some more, I just have the idea that IF both parties are Of Age (or old enough to know what they are getting into, 16 is legal in UK for example) and they Both want sex then I don't see a Moral problem with it.

I Do forsee social problems and possible family emotional problems down the line possibly. I don't think it is the Best approach, but I can think of things far worse.

Like I said, I might be wrong.

Tobra - Still thinking on it.

So you are saying that if a father and son, a father and daughter, or a mother and son are both "of age" than it's morally ok for them to have sex with each other?

Seriously Tobra,

Just because two people are "of age" doesn't mean there are not other moral issues at hand.

When society starts being so lax about morals that they will accept a father and daughter having sex with each other they will start being lax with other things like 5 year olds having sex with each other, kids carrying around guns, kids doing drugs, and a multitude of other things that eventually lead to the downfall of a society. I'm not saying that people have to be perfect and that sex is only for certain people. But a parent and child having sex with each other is just wrong and when it is accepted as right is when our society is failing us.

America is in a downward spiral, and people who think "freedom" means being able to fuck anything and anyone are helping speed up the process of our destruction.

Moral issues. Everytime I hear those words...

No, Stargirl, I am NOT sure. Truthfully. Like I've said, it could well be that I am wrong. What *I* think though is that IF both people are of age or old enough to know what they are getting into, and both are Wanting to get into it, then, For Them, it is - acceptable, if maybe not "normal".

My FEELING is that, unless a crime against a child is taking place, or a rape or something like that; and providing that they don't doo whatever on my front lawn, then what they do consentually between themselves is really none of My business whatsoever. I mean, *I* am not into the incest thing, but given some of the ways I get my sexual jollies, who am I to throw the first stone.

I also, like you, wonder if this post was Real.

I am really surprised that you are so against this in any event. From most of your posts, you sounded like a big one for individual rights and freedoms, provided they are not all out in our faces.

There is more and more crap out there, sexually, these days. You mention the possibility of five year olds having sex with each other? Well, I don't know about that, but I have read stories where a six or or year old was arrested and taken into Juvinile Custody after being caught examining a little girl in his class. I am Just old enough to remember when this wasn't a crime, or and issue of Having Sex, but something called Playing Doctor. Somehow many of the people who yelp the loudest at the idea of kids Having Sex have somehow forgotten how they themselves used to play the "I'll show you mine" game when they were little.

I also believe America is in a downward spiral, thanks IMOHO to liberals, more than any reason remotely having to do with sex.

So, am I sure? No. But I can live with it without judging as long as The Poster (and her mother) can. To me...

Do you know what the Most Common Sexual Perversion in the world is? It is the deviation of thought that goes: "MY way is the ONLY RIGHT way to be." - Me, So long as no one is being forced and everyone knows what they are in for, good and bad, and can make an informed choice, whatever works. :)

Please understand Stargirl, I am trying to be polite here. I have no desire to start a war with you, as I agree with Most of your opinions.

Tobra

"that IF both people are of age or old enough to know what they are getting into, and both are Wanting to get into it, then, For Them, it is - acceptable, if maybe not "normal"."

Some morals are pushed on us by man, some are ingrained in our minds by mother nature. Seeing your mother or father as a sexual partner is something that mother nature teaches us is wrong for good reason.
The problem is that it shouldn't be acceptable to a mother to fuck her daughter. And what makes it worse is that here in America people think "freedom" means doing whatever the hell they want.

I am all for individual rights and freedoms, but I'm not supportive of family members having sex with each other and it being "accepted" by society. When we start allowing mother/daughter father/daughter father/son or mother/son couples to exist is when we are allowing our society to fall another level towards destruction.

The game of "you show me yours and I'll show you mine" is as old as dirt. It is when kids start touching each other or trying to imitate sex acts is when it's way past an innocent child's game.

People don't believe 5 year olds will ever be having sex with each other, but when I was young nobody believed 10 and 11 year olds would be doing that either.....and to accept a sexual relationship between mother and daughter was unheard of....but look at the world now!

Every republican I've ever met blames the downfall of America on the liberals and vice versa.....and it's only because to actually accept some of the blame would mean acknowledging wrongdoing. The problem is escalating because instead of focusing on fixing the problem, everyone is too busy pointing fingers at the opposing party.

I never believed that my preferences are the only and right way....I can accept that some people like to be hurt during sex, some like being dominated, and some like being submissive. I can accept that some couple like to swing, while others like to gang bang. But to accept a sexual relationship between a parent and a child as just another sexual preference is opening doors to a world where kids won't know whether to call their father "dad" or "grandad" and that is another step down the already declining morals we have in this country.....and once a country loses it's morals, the rest of it falls so much quicker.

Believe me Tobra, I'm not trying to start a "war" with you either.....I can debate with someone over a subject without holding it against them personally.

It's when they start insulting me and my opinion is when the war starts....and you aren't that type!

You make some good points Stargirl, and maybe we are not so far apart in our beliefs as it would seem.

I Don't necessarily think that incest is "Normal" but I am of the mind that it is Acceptable IF all parties involved are:

A: Okay with it. (Rape is wrong in any sense)
B: Adults of "Of age" where they understand what they are getting into.

To me it's like this. My brother has a couple of good friends who are marines, eighteen. nineteen year olds like me. Anyway, they go out sometimes and get drunk.

LEGALLY they cannot.

MORALLY there is an argument that says maybe they shouldn't.

REALISTICALLY I don't feel that it is any of MY business, or yours, to stick my nose in their business.

Same way with consentual incest. I am leery about male/female incest as I worry about the results of having children (I don't have enough research materials to know about that and I have heard bad things) But for lesbian/or gay, incest where kids are not the equation, I say that as long as who ever it is is not "throwing it in my face" then it is not really my place to say what They choose to do.

You have mentioned that you feel that morally it is wrong, okay, fair enough. Here is the rub though: What gives *YOU* (or Me, please understand I am not trying to be offensive to "You", Stargirl the person) the right to decide what is "Morally Correct" for everyone?

I like to have a guy urinate on me. Am I "Morally" wrong? Or is it more a case of something a lot of people are not into?

Who decides?

There was a time in this country where a black person faced serious physical harm for dating a white.

There still is hatred among gays who are visibly active (though not so much with lesbians...MEN, go figure)

Is this really that much different - TO the persons Involved? They are not suggesting this for Your family, or mine (Hell, my mom taught my sis and I to masturbate when we were thirteen - no touching involved but she showed us what was where and why) but simply wanting to consentually do the thing with each other.

Children? No...to a point.

Something I have noticed. The Same people who believe that children should Not experiment sexually or know anything about sex, or God forbid Do anything with each other, are generally the people who scream the loudest at the teen pregnancy rate. Would it not be better to Educate teens Honestly to do what they are going to do regardless?

Children need to be protected from preditory adult perverts, but should be given the freedom to experiment with each other without legal penalty.

Thoughts?

Tobra

Urinating on someone and a mother and son having sex together are two completely different things.

There's nothing or nobody in this world who will ever convince me that a parent and a child having sex together is ok in any way.

You can't really compare incest to what the blacks went through in the 50's. They were hated because of their skin color (something they had no control over), not their sexual likings (incest is something we can control by making the right choices).

I don't think that children shouldn't know about sex, but I know that they should not be involved in sex until they reach an age where they can make decisions and live with the consequences of that decision.

If you give children the right to "experiment" with each other without legal penalty, the result will be children preying on other children. Personally I find that without direction, discipline, rules and regulations children grow up to be the ones you find in prison for rape or murder.
You cannot expect a child to grow up without boundaries until a certain age and then suddenly obey rules and regulations thrust on them at a later time....it's something that is taught while they are still developing, and if we don't teach them then the result is a generation of criminals and morally deficient people....which will in turn be the downfall of our society.

It's easy to say "well we all deserve our freedom" but people need to realize that freedom is great, but there's a point when some boundaries must be set.
I am free to walk down the street admonishing the president, but I am not free to kill him without consequence.
I am free to have sex with my partner, but not free of the consequences of my actions.
If we allow parents to have sex with their children (both parties consenting) than we will soon allow other things that contribute to the moral decay of this country (which is already dangerously low) and soon the laws that are set to help us will dissapear and only the strong will survive....are you strong enough to defend yourself from a 7 foot tall, 250 pound man who wants to rip your asshole open?

Rules, regulations, and laws are there for a reason. No society in history has ever survived without them.

Would you stop mumbling about the downfall of society?
Stupid bitch.
Society SUCKS ASS. You know what? I HOPE it's fall. We have a CRAPPY society were innocent people get locked behing bars just because they couldn't afford good lawyers while murderers and rapest and released just because they can afford lawyers in the good case, and being releaseing out of technicallity in the bad case. Example: A murderer that the judge and joureys KNOW he commited murder is being released because the search that revealed the ecidence was illigal at the time.
And that's just wrong.
It.s WRONG.

Amy,

You are a perfect example of the type of child I am talking about. No boundaries and your parents failed you by allowing you to act this way.

I never said society was perfect, and a man getting out of a criminal charge because of an "illegal search" isn't my idea of justice, but to allow society to fall even more simply because you don't like how it is now is the actions of a weak person who is afraid to fight for what is right.

Grow up.

I agree with Amy. You ARE a stupid bitch.

And you're a worthless sack of shit.


Do you really think that a little idiot like you calling me a "stupid bitch" is going to hurt me somehow?

Think again little girl.

Sorry to break it to you, stargirl, but you kind of do act like a stupid bitch.

Well then, I guess stargirl know better than all of us, let's see... three saying stargirl's a stupid bitch, and the only one saying he's not is, surprisingly, stargirl.
Get a life, stupid bitch.
I hope you die.

*he's=she's

Sorry to break it to you little girl, but your opinion has no sway.

You hope I die?

Over something as trivial as a disagreement on the internet?

Wow....I didn't think people with such low IQ's actually knew how to use a computer.

They must've come out with an "internet for dummies" pretty recently.....and good for you that you could actually find something to read for once.

F*ck you. You better watch your back little girl, because if I ever see you I swear to god U wull kill and without any jail time what so ever. May parents can afford to hire the best attorneys in the state.
So you watch it.
You watch it.

*U=I
*wull=will
*May=My

Just because I know you're spelling freak, stupid bitch. I realy realy hope you die. Honestly.

Furthermore, I wish I would be the one to kill you. You see my dad's a cop so it's no problem to me to "burrow" one of his guns.
So you watch it.

You watch it.

LOL!


You're pathetic attempt at threatening me is just so ridiculously funny!

Thanks for the laugh!

Wishing death on another person simply because of an argument on the internet is the characterisitic of a real moron and ignoramous.

LOL!


You're parents should be ashamed of your pettiness.

Go ahead and borrow (not bUrrow...that's what rabbits live in) a gun.....I own one myself.

Chances are you couldn't hit the broad side of a barn even if you were standing 10 feet from it.

Good luck moron!

Stuipid bitch, my dad's teaching how to shoot in the weekends for mothes now. I can hit a can of soda from 100 feet in one shot. I also have access to my dad's police coputer so tracking down your IP and place of residence would be quite simple. Then, wherever you live, I will go "with my friends" on a vacation there on the weekend. I've done that countless times, my parents won't suspect a thing.
You may be laughing now, stupid bitch, but I'd like to see you laugh with a bullet in your brains. I already shot someone who annoyed me in the past. I my just shot his arm, but no one even cought me; he didn't saw it coming. And neither would you.
Last friendly warning: You better watch your back, stupid bitch.

Ooooh....on weekends for months now huh?

I've been using all types of guns for longer than you've been alive little girl.


Go ahead and track me down.....I'll be waiting for you.

:)

No, you won't. I'll break into your house while you're asleep. You wouldn't see it coming.
You 2 choices now:
1. Never go to sleep again.
2. Die.
Make your choice.
And you know what? I'm done arguing with you I don't believe a word you say. "using all types of guns"? lol yeah right. Go fool someone else, stupid bitch. And even if you are telling the truth, it won't help when you're asleep, now would it, stupid bitch?
See ya soon.
Real soon.

You don't have to believe me.....I know it's a fact and if you believe it or not doesn't change the fact that I know how to use a gun and have been using guns since before you were born.....you see....we were all taught to shoot guns as soon as we could hold them. Unlike you who had to wait until your daddy was in law enforcement to actually see a real one.


Go ahead and track me down.....you'll be in for a shock of a lifetime when you realize just how wrong you were.

:)

Why the f*ck do you think your 'abilities' make any difference what so ever? you'll be asleep. And since you can't know WHICH weekend I'll be there, then have fun not sleeping, stupid bitch.

And btw, even if for some reason you would be awake and you'll shoot me before I shoot you then you'll go to jail for life, or even death penalty. My dad will take care of that.
Either way, I win.

stargirl plz stop making things up it makes you look a stupid loses.
SweetAngel- I'm with you. Maybe we could kill her together?

Sounds like an idea.
I'll swap details with you in ICQ. I'll give you the number in chat.

Count me in too.
I want to see that bitch going down.

So if you are going to be coming to my house....tell me....where is my house?

You need to prove you actually know where I live first moron.

Don't we all? :)
Three are better than two, so fine, you're in.
Anyone else?

Oh yeah....and you shooting me isn't going to get you a death penalty!...that is....if you can actually shoot.

LOL!

Especially after admitting to everything beforehand right here on IIN.

Good luck loser girl!

I'm not making things up....this loser who calls herself "sweetangel" is.

She seems to think I'm stupid enough to believe she's actually going to hunt me down and shoot me without repercussion.

She's almost as pathetic as you.

:)

Good luck loser girls!

Stupid bitch, my parents can afford best lawyers in the state. I'll be out in no time.
And I don't need to prove anything to you. The less you know- the better.
It's three against one, stupid bitch. If you're not scared, then you'd better be.

The best lawyers huh?

LOL!

Are you really stupid enough to think that I'm actually scared or that you actually have the first clue about where I am?

Even if you did know where I live you still wouldn't have the gonads it takes to actually find me.

Good luck losers!

Oh no!


Three sluts swearing to "take me down"!

As if you're the first ones to ever try and scare me.

Any more pathetic threats?

C'mmon, anyone who helps me kill her gets a free trip to the u.k! oops..

Big suprise that a moron who has to try and imitate me is in on a death threat party involving only sluts who can't handle the truth.


LOL!

The UK?


LOLOLOLOLOLOL!


Oh you're funny!

it is sad but you are our sucessor, the SHITTTTTTTTT!!!!!

Oro.....did you accidentally use the wrong profile to write this comment?

no , I am Orochimaru (9975)

Ok, because you make it sound like I'm being a "successor" to their idiocy.

u are a supperior, not a successor!!!

LOL!

Thanks Oro.....but I'm not superior to the general population, they are just inferior to everyone!

dyke..go build something faget

"I don't think that children shouldn't know about sex, but I know that they should not be involved in sex until they reach an age where they can make decisions and live with the consequences of that decision."

Hey, I agree with you 100%. The thing is, WHO gets to decide what "An age where they can make decisions and live with the consequences of that decision." really MEANS? I mean, I am NOT suggesting that extremely underaged children should fuck/suck with parents - No Way!

In the case of this post though, the girl stated that she was Sixteen - which to my mind is old enough to understand reparcussions.

It Might be that, in cases of mid to late teen years Incest might be the least of all evils (STDs, pregnancy, awkwardness) for those (and Only those) who chose to embrace it. Again I say that I just don't think it is any of my - or your - business what they do behind closed doors.

And yes, I am still open to the possibility that I am wrong. In any event, incest is not MY thing or MY choice anyway. :)

Look, I know I won't convince you, and I doubt that you'll convince me, Stargirl. I agree that you've made some very valid points, but I think this is just a situation where you and I will just agree to disagree. :)

Friends! :)

Tobra

And While WE are ON the subject... !

@ AshleyGraham
@ Amy1991
And ESPECIALLY
@ SweetAngel

Would you three silly sluts sit back and LISTEN to yourselves????? !

Ashley and Amy... You are making all kinds of smart ass comments and threats because - Why, exactly? Did either of you POST this post? If so I can understand SOME of your anger at Stargirl, for not giving you the go ahead to fuck your mom(s).

If NOT, then do you have something to post other than "Stargirl is a stupid bitch"... and I know this because I follow the crowd and everyone sez she is and I SO want to be popular! I mean, do you call here this for ANY reason?

And SweetAngel

Ohhhh SweetAngel, where DO we begin.

Ashley and Amy I can have a little consideration for. You on the other hand... Do you have ANY idea as to what you are Talking about, child? You are THREATENING someone with DEATH over a very mild disagreement on the internet... And thinking you would get away with it - Assuming you could:

A: Track her down
B: Afford transportation from where ever you are TO her location.
C: Hire a car.
D: Buy a gun (Unless you drove all the way, airplanes frown on guns being carried)
E: Shoot her before she can return fire and send you into Taps........

Never mind the fact that pointing and firing a gun is a little more involved than pointing your finger and shouting BANG! And you would possibly piss yourself if you ever had a bullit wizz by your head.

See, My dad, in addition to being an old hippie, was in the service as well (Don't be shocked, lots were) and he taught me and my siblings on how to handle guns from a young age. We've also been involved in live fire shooting (Which, at the time, I really belive our Mother wanted to kill him for, when she found out about it) so *I* have some idea of what I am talking about.

More to the point...

You spout all this crap and back it up by saying your dad is a police officer. (MY daddy is a cop - SO THERE!)

Shit.

Is your daddy REALLY a cop, or do you just get that impression because he comes into your room at night and says "Up against the wall and spread 'em, bitch!" ?

And if he IS a police officer, I wonder, do you think he would be Proud to hear his little whore, err, girl, making such vile and possibly illegal threats on the internet?

You don't impress me, babybitch. Go play with your guns (Fill them with water first) and ask daddy what shooting a real gun is Really like. Oh, and think about the person you are shooting at, firing back at you and parting your hair down to your asscrack while you're at it.

To put it simply: S.T.F.U!

October

Well when is a child old enough to get a job to support the baby they produce from engaging in sexual intercourse?

I have no problem agreeing to disagree with you.....you're probably one out of maybe 5 people on here mature enough to do that.

Thanks!
Stargirl

StarGirl, you are a stupid bitch!(I don't know why, but it seems like everyone's saying it, and I just wanna be cool on the internet.)

Bandwagon jumping is never "cool"....it's just the actions of someone who can't think for themselves.

You're right, it does makes you loock cool! :) Love ya.

Shut your hole (the Other one) bitch.

Find a little self respect while you're at it.

October Marie

Starting off, morality shouldn't be much of a big deal. Look at what this world has come to. How many people do you honestly believe follow some sort of moral code to the tee? In addition, we all are entitled to our own opinions. Sure, one person may not agree with someone else, but that's just what it is. You can't force people to change who they are. If you did, there would probably turn out to be another Witch Trials or something of the like.

SweetAngel, I don't see where you stand on making Internet death threats. The day you come through with such a thing would be the day Hell freezes over, and I sure couldn't imagine that happening any time soon. Keep such immature remarks to yourself, please.

SweetAngel's sheep - Did you even understand that what she stated was an INTERNET death threat? Think about how far-fetched that is. Who the hell comes through with that? No one. It was simply a series of words thought up in a moment where she couldn't come back with something witty.

Stargirl and October - You both make valid opinions, and I completely respect them. Topics like this are always hot on the debate table, and I'm glad to see the way the both of you have somewhat wrapped this up.

- xRainFaeryx

You, like Stargirl and a (very) few others here sound as though you are well read and have a good mind on you. :) :) :)

With that in mind, though I doubt we will always agree on everything (Which would be boring anyhow) I welcome you. :)

Tobra Marie

All of you stfu