I agree completely, and I'm glad someone said it. There's always people saying how we shouldn't be racist or discriminate, but oh no, it's fine to be homophobic - because the bible says so. The bible says a lot of things, which I seriously doubt those who use it as an excuse follow; certainly they're forgetting "Judge not, lest ye be judged."

I wouldn't be suprised if Skybird wrote this story.

The bible doesnt not say to be homophobic you freaking morons. You should find the scripture that says that and post it on this site. you are suppost to love not hate. Hate the sin love the sinner thats what the bible teaches!!!!!

Right chum, some homophobes dont hate gay people they just feel freaked out uncontrolably when theyr near one ok i'm homophobe but a dont hate emm, its like telling a deppressed person to pull your self together they carnt.

Being homophobic is a sexual deviation; just like thinking you are 'homosexual'.

However, homosexual relations make no biological sense, and looking at the shape and function of human organs will tell you that it’s totally wrong.

correct// gay basterdsz

Theres only one way to sort out the homophope problem... kill the gays

I hate gays. id like to see one faggot try to do something. Like this clown. whats said is you made yourself look dumb not all homokillers are rednecks. id love to see u in the street and chop you down.

Being Gay myself, I do kind of agree with you. But calling them low-lifes and saying that they're generally "Wife-beating rednecks" is just as bad as them calling us "faggots."

"The bible doesnt not say to be homophobic you freaking morons. You should find the scripture that says that and post it on this site. you are suppost to love not hate. Hate the sin love the sinner thats what the bible teaches!!!!!"

1. Leviticus, Chapter 18, verse 22. But then again, that's from the same book that says that disobidient sons should be stoned to death, tatoos are sinful, and to kill anyone who works on the sabbath.
2. Hate the sin, love the sinner? What sin?

"I hate gays. id like to see one faggot try to do something. Like this clown. whats said is you made yourself look dumb not all homokillers are rednecks. id love to see u in the street and chop you down."

Care to repeat that in a way that we can understand?

To start off, I'd just like to say that I have nothing against gays, however, I believe you (noface25) have misunderstood alot of the bible.

Okay, I think we agree that the bible clearly states that homosexuality is a sin. Now, you said that the bible says that "disobidient sons should be stoned to death". I have no idea where you got that. I'm almost 90% sure it is not in the bible. Even if it did, I think you're misinterpreting it ( Don't worry, alot of people do that.). You also say that tattoos are sinful? Yes. Yes, they are. And to kill anyone who works on the sabbath? What the hell? Where did you get that from? I guarenty it does not say that.

"Hate the sin, love the sinner? What sin?"

Technically homosexuality is a sin. Not only does the bible say that, but if you look at the logic and context of the book of Genesis, you will see that it is indeed a sin. Before I get into that, I would just like to announce that a 'sin' is an evil act against God. Adam and Eve were the first people, and they were put there to procreate. So, obviously the natural sexual orientation is hetrosexuality. If you go against God ( which is evil itself) then you are sinning. So, instead of choosing hetrosexuality, you choose homosexuality, which is an evil act against God, making it a sin. Just one more thing. Having a homosexual orientation is not a sin, but the acts of homosexuality is a sin. If you look at the biblical verses, it will agree. I hope it did not look like I contradicted myself. If it did, then just let me know. Thanks.

Another idiot that takes the word of a book that has be translated over and over from the original Hebrew. Do some research and see how many times words, and even phrases have been mistranslated into English. Look at the errors in timeline, contradictions, etc etc.

I'm not saying God doesn't exist. I'm just saying putting all your faith in a book written by Mortal MEN makes you a very unwise. person.

Oh really? Well, putting all of your faith into nothing makes you a very unwise person. I'm an idiot right? Just because I trust the Word of God? There are two billion christians in the world. That's one third of the world's population. Since there are two billion "idiots", I guess that means all of the men putting their faith in science are 'superior' to us. And you must be including all of the other religions ( almost all religions have scripture), which puts their faith in scripture. So, according to your theory, 95% of the world's population are idiots, considering that 95% of all people have some sort of personal religion. No...I believe you are the idiot here.

First, let me clear this up. 1. The "All that will work on the Sabbath shall be put to death" bit is clearly stated in Exodus, chapter 31, verse 2, parts 13-14. The son-stoning bit is going to take a while longer to find. But I think it's in Leviticus somewhere.

And yes, Adam and eve were put here to procreate, and thus herosexuality is the natural way of things and to defy that is to defy god. But, if we go by that logic, everything except vaginal intercourse is a sin against god. And if that is true, I'd say a good bit more than half of the world's population is going to hell.

And yeah, it was said, word for word: "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination." in Leviticus, chapter 18, verse 22. But as far as I can see, that chapter was covering prostitution (or something close, adultry perhaps). So I don't belive he was saying homosexual relations were sinful, I belive he was saying something along the lines of "And men can't whore themselves out to men either."

In response to your above post: I think he meant you should have faith in god itself and not a few thousand year diluted copy of the suposed "Word of God."

Oh, and I'd like to say that you argue quite eloquently. You have my respect if not anything else.

Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal, and I will try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind him that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate.

I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the specific laws and how to best follow them.

a) When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord (Lev 1:9). The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

b) I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

c) I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness (Lev 15:19-24). The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

d) Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?

e) I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?

f) A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an Abomination (Lev 11:10), it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this?

g) Lev 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?

h) Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev 19:27. How should they die?

i) I know from Lev 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

j) My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? (Lev 24:10-16) Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)

I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help.

Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.

Who was that directed at?

"First, let me clear this up. 1. The "All that will work on the Sabbath shall be put to death" bit is clearly stated in Exodus, chapter 31, verse 2, parts 13-14. The son-stoning bit is going to take a while longer to find. But I think it's in Leviticus somewhere."

Touche. If you look at the old testament, where Exodus is found, God is very wrathful. He judged everyone with an iron fist. Ever hear of Sodom and Gamorah? Yeah, he punished thousands of people (punish being an understatement) because they were all sinners, and proud of it. If you look at the new testament, it will show God in a different light, a God that shows mercy. Where am I going with this? Well, I'm just saying that God punishes people, and He does it wisely. But because Jesus Christ came to shed his blood, He shows mercy on our souls.
You shouldn't take verses in the bible so literally all of the time. Alot of it is symbolic. The KJV is probably the worst translated version out there, by the way. I say this because I assume this is where you got the verse from.

"But, if we go by that logic, everything except vaginal intercourse is a sin against god."

Yes, actually, anal, oral, masturbation or any other kind of sex is a sin. But remember, there is such a thing as repentence.


"And yeah, it was said, word for word: "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination." in Leviticus, chapter 18, verse 22. But as far as I can see, that chapter was covering prostitution (or something close, adultry perhaps). So I don't belive he was saying homosexual relations were sinful, I belive he was saying something along the lines of "And men can't w**** themselves out to men either.""

Wrong again, my good man. That was the KJV translation I believe. Let's look at the NASB version, shall we?

Lev. 18:22, "You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination."

Oh, and you forgot some verses to go along with it.

Lev. 20:13, "If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltness is upon them"

1 Cor. 6:9-10, "Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God."

Rom. 1:26-28, "For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, 27and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error. 28And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper."

You see, what you presented to me was just a lousy interpretation. This is one good example of why people should never be able to privately interpret the bible. This is why I am a Catholic and not a protestant.

It's directed toward John Doe, you know the guy that quotes make believe serial killers, and then quotes the bible. I figure since he doesn't pick and choose the scriptures, and takes them for what they are, Then he should be able to explain how to handle all these other sins. God's word is unchanging, right?

Anonymous, I am not a priest. I cannot tell you what all of those verses mean. What I can tell you is that you have taken all of those verses way too literally. Alot of what's in the bible is symbolic.

"f) A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an Abomination (Lev 11:10), it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this?"

Okay, first of all, dietary laws are no longer in effect, nor are they manditory. Read the New testament, I think you'll understand what I mean.


"g) Lev 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?"

Another symbolic verse. If you have a defect in your sight, you may not appraoch the alter of God. What that means is if you have something that is blocking your faith (disbelief, sin, evil, etc...), then you may not appraoch the alter. I once was blind, but now can see, get it?

As for the rest, I cannot respond to because I do not know the whole bible. I am not a priest.

I quote make-believe serial killers? Oh, you mean the serial killer from the movie Seven. Yeah, sure, why not? I mean, those people that he killed deserved to die. By the way, the seven deadly sins is a much better list to go by than the ten commandments, just because it's organized much better. Wait. I didn't get your name, did I? Oh, sorry...I guess I can't judge you on what name you choose.

In an earlier post you state : "Okay, I think we agree that the bible clearly states that homosexuality is a sin"

Now you say the bible is symbolic? You just said it "clearly states".

As like many others, you pick and choose what can be left up to interpertation, and what is "Solid".

Try this one John. John 3:16. I don't see that verse being left up for symbolism. As you would say, it "clearly states". No footnotes excluding anyone.

Face it John. You're no different. You use and interpert the bible as you see fit.

My name? You're starting to sound like Hoofhearted. And you feel all those people in Seven deserved to die. Well, let's forget evolved sensibility and try to figure out why, if they were real people, they were like that. Depression, Poverty..etc etc. Just kill em right?

To me private interpretation is the whole point of this book. I personally don't really use it, but I think to be effective as a moral code, people have to tailor it to their lives. If there is just one solid interpretation, a lot of people will just end up hating themselves for being just that: Themselves. And many of them hurt/kill themselves beacause they think God hates them. Which, even if the bible is not wrong about some of that stuff, he really shouldn't.

And the Old Testimate/New testimate comparison doesn't really strike me as effective here. Reason? I want you to find me just one verse in the New testimate that damns homosexuality. And I want you to find it in an older version of the bible. Pre-Christian Reform if you can find one. If you can find that, I'll accept that argument.

How old is the NASB version? I'd bet you that it was written within the last two hundred years.

(I really can't fight your other arguments without making myself look like a compleat dipstick. You won those.

Oh, and I'm Episcopalien, if you couldn't tell. :P)

Good point noface, the only text to condemn homosexuality in the NT is (as far as I know) Paul's, but that is in a section that has been virtually proven as coming much later by an outside source who presumably had a very real social interest in bannifn homosexuality. As for the OT, I think this passage is interesting, it says it much better than I could. Web address is at bottom.

"The book of Leviticus is clear in condemning homosexual acts. Chapter 20 repeats and expands upon a list in chapter 18, saying you should not lie with a male as with a woman in a long agenda of proscribed acts having to do with adultery, incest, bestiality, child sacrifice, sex during menstruation, witchcraft, and cursing one’s father or mother. Scholars know this list as the “Holiness Code.” Death is the punishment for adultery, child sacrifice, cursing father or mother, incest with mother-in-law or daughter-in-law, bestiality, and lying with a man as with a woman. Banishment or barrenness are the punishments for the other forms of incest, sleeping with a menstruating woman, and using mediums or wizards. All the laws are directed at men even when women are involved in the proscribed behavior and are punished. Women were not regarded as sufficiently important moral agents to be addressed in law.

Does anyone today accept the Holiness Code fully and literally? Few of us would put to death people for the acts Leviticus proscribes. The violent gay-bashers who kill people such as Matthew Shepard do follow the biblical commandment to put to death men who lie with men as with women; nevertheless such gay bashers are regarded in the United States as murderers. That we reject or seriously modify the biblical approach to punishment means we do not follow a purely biblical rule for morals, and that we already make discerning judgments about what to accept. We in the West do not believe in witches and would be very slow to believe that cursing parents deserves the death penalty. Concerning the proscription of lying with a man as with a woman, should we liken that to child sacrifice, which we condemn, or to consulting mediums or making love during menstruation, which we do not? "

Address: (through google cache)

http://64.233.187.104/search?q=cache:08LuMWGqhxgJ:www.bu.edu/chapel/services/sermons/documents/readingscriptureinconflicts.doc+menstruation+corinthians&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=2&client=safari

i agree 110%

Very true. The real problem is that the Bible and these retarded homophobes is that they can't tolerate a neighbor different from them. They don't know what love is and that is can happen to anyone. FUCK EM ALL!

And by the way not everyone agrees with the Bible and Christianity. If you homophobes don't know that then at least you know where you're from wich is Uranus. Go spread your hate and religiong someplace else.

You shouldnt kill people for there beliefs alone no matter how bad they are you piece of shit.

John Doe: "There are two billion christians in the world. That's one third of the world's population."

there are closer to 8 billion people, and many MANY more muslims than christians. you fucktard, go and do some research before pulling "facts" and "statistics" out of your ass

I believe the bible as much as an atheist, and I am a christian, the thing is that I believe the bible was only made to help it get through life not believe every word that some old jew could sail in a ship for 40 days and 40 nights and not have one animal missing, WITH LIONS ABOARD, or that good created only two types of people, man and women, but that is just it, where did the other races come from god had to have created more than 1 man and 1 woman, the only things I believe from that book are god, jesus, and the ten commandents, and as long as you got that I say that is enough, and yes, homophobes are evil, don't do not worry, they will get the punishment, you just stay in a safe place and you will not be harmed by those bastards and if I could i would protect all gays and lesbians from these bashers. And for all you homophobes reading this, i am a straight, 16-year old who dares anyone to challege me and/or god and will always win. Why? because Love can beat all.

i agree with you there on almsot everyhtign you said ...


err but u do relise your on this sight too and posting

I didn't write this story.

ok being gay is normal! so is being freaked out when you are around a gay person! nobody is perfect, everyone has there own opinion so why is this an issue? i mean you either hate gays or you dont right? you cant control how u feel about someone or something! so if you hate gays who fucking cares! if you dont, well good on you! its natural to hate, its normal to be gay!

The Torah, the foundation of judeo-christianity says every time I get my period I should stone two doves.

Nuff said.

YOU QUEERS ATTACKED ME IN PRISON ABND MADE FUN OF MY FATFOLDS AND STOLE MY TWINKIES THAT I HAD HIDDEN THERE. YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED FOR HATING KIND HETEROSEXUALS LIKE MYSELF. FAT PEOPLE NEED LOVE TOO.

Giver to me you're addresso and I will come over and we will discuss this...!

I agree, I really hate hompphobes, BUT they're not all 'redneck wife beaters' as you say, they're just sexually insecure.

go back to school... whats the purpose of having sex if your not going to impregnate a women or how about masturbation.

Sex is there for the reproduction of the animal but also for sexual pleasure,

Fuck the bible, If Jesus was real I would of loved to give him anal...

kudos, it indeed makes no biological sense. Also, all homophobes do not hate homosexuals. The definition of a homophobe is someone who shows hate, fear, or DISAPPROVAL of homosexuality. I myself am a homophobe because of the last part of the definintion. I may be a homophobe because I disapprove of the gay lifestyle but i definitely do not hate gays.

Listen fags i don't care what you put in your anus. It's your anus not mine, but don't expect me to like you approve of it. Don't expect me to associate with you don't expect me to curtail my right to free speech because it offends you. I'll say and think and feel what i wish. I don't do this for religous reason as a am not religous. I'm sorry you pansies get so offended that not everybody thinks it's a normal thing, but we don't. So quit whinning about it. Don't tell me how to think speak or feel and I won't tell you what shove up your anus.

If God truely disapproved of Gay lifestyles or homosexuality, don't you think he would of created all human beings without feelings or anything for the same sex?

there there, have a cheerio and go fuck your mother

The Bible is against hate. Seriously, homophobes are not good Christians.