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48 Year old man with teen-age girl
I do volunteer work at a public library and come in contact with all age groups - esp young people. I dress my best. New cloths, shirts ironed, shoes shined, shaved, cologne, hair buzzed REAL short because I am almost shiny on top. I am thin but work out. I was told I look good.
At least a few young girls like me. Some of the 15-18 year olds. I was shocked! This is TRUE. They make it obvious, at 16 their hormones are in high gear. Teasing and talking to them about fun things makes them perk up.
So far I don't have the balls to persue anything. Until now. I will suggest pizza or to meet in a public establishment so she can feel safe. Pick her up at her house? I will come up with a plan. I know I can pull this off.
The sex of course would be great with a beautiful, fresh young girl but I am really curious about the type of convo and things we would do. I don't intend to use then discard her. They are beautiful young flowers.
State law says I can go down to age 16. Not jail bait. Below 16 is.
I want to know how you would react (if at all) seeing a clean cut older man with a very young girl in public
Is it normal for me to date a young girl?
At least a few young girls like me. Some of the 15-18 year olds. I was shocked! This is TRUE. They make it obvious, at 16 their hormones are in high gear. Teasing and talking to them about fun things makes them perk up.
So far I don't have the balls to persue anything. Until now. I will suggest pizza or to meet in a public establishment so she can feel safe. Pick her up at her house? I will come up with a plan. I know I can pull this off.
The sex of course would be great with a beautiful, fresh young girl but I am really curious about the type of convo and things we would do. I don't intend to use then discard her. They are beautiful young flowers.
State law says I can go down to age 16. Not jail bait. Below 16 is.
I want to know how you would react (if at all) seeing a clean cut older man with a very young girl in public
Is it normal for me to date a young girl?
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"When a girl is under 21, she's protected by law. When she's over 65, she's protected by nature. Anywhere in between, she's fair game."
The lower age as been "relaxed" since then, but otherwise let that be your guide.
Oh, don't be surprised if she has a brother or something who wants to kick your head in, so be aware.
Your fucking 48 years old!!! Thats just gross!! You better not mess with young girls you fucking perv!! Why can't you find someone your own age?
I think that IT'S NOT NORMAL FOR YOU TO DATE A YOUNG GIRL!!!!!! PERIOD!!!
To the original poster: Normal or not it's legal. That fact alone means that your only real guide is your own moral compass.
If you think it is right, then go for it. Enjoy the ride.
If you think it is wrong, then I suggest you avoid the situation.
If it is illegal, prison time sucks... Avoid if at all possible :p
www.ageofconsent.com
I'm not slamming women. And frankly, a man that old knows more about how to treat a young lady than someone her own age, and is less likely to get her hurt. I'm not saying it's right or something I'm going to do, or even something I support. Either way, I probably shouldn't have touched this with a ten foot pole.
You obviously don't have children of your own, otherwise you wouldn't be having these thoughts in the first place.
But just for a moment, imagine you have a 15 or 16 year old daughter, and think about how you would feel if she was screwing a 48 year old man.
Not only is the age a factor in this, but you mentioned that you're a volunteer?
You, as a volunteer, still owe a duty of care to the people you are working with. You are supposed to protect these girls, not take advantage of them.
And that's what it would be if you made any kind of advance on any one of these girls. You would be taking advantage of someone much younger than you who is much less experienced and is not capable of making adult decisions.
Anyway, I think you are reading the signs wrong. There is no way that teenage girls find an old fart like you attractive. Sorry, but even at 24, if I just think about a 48-year-old man's hairy a** and saggy b***s, I feel like puking!
Plus, you are a librarian? I mean, if you were some high-power exec, maybe you could get some young girls (golddiggers,) but most women would think twice before sleeping with the librarian even if they were in their 40s themselves.
Jeez, grandpop, wake up and smell the roses!
For two people to make each other happy is a wonderful thing. That wonderful thing is not, however, dependent upon the opinions or perceptions of anyone else besides those two people. If you like this girl and she likes you, that's what counts.
You need to be aware that if you follow through with this, there will be pressure on the both of you from other people and it may be difficult to handle. Just because you can, doesn't necessarily mean she'll be able to hold up, or the other way around. But if you can make it work, it will be a life enriching thing.
The age difference, well that's only an issue if you let it become one. Personally, I couldn't care less what age, race, nationality, or religion either of you might be. If you're both happy and neither is taking advantage of the other, companionship and love are exactly that: companionship and love.
To answer the father point of view question, I'd treat an older man the same way I'd treat a man the same age. I'm cautious and I don't like you until you change my mind. It's really that simple.
So to answer your question, there will always be someone that has a problem with how you live your life, regardless of what you do. Don't live for them, live for you. You've got my vote.
But really, I doubt they like you in any kind of sexual way. You're just a nice old man and fun to be around. The point of the age difference is that those girls have their whole lives ahead of them. There are some things they need to learn on their own--and from their own age group.
Listen to an old soul like me. Though very young, I am filled with the vast wisdom of my past lives which I vaguely remember.
YES THAT IS WRIERD AND WRON IN SO MANY WAYS!!
DO YOU REALIZE THE AGE DIFFERENCE WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU!!!!
YOU JUST WNAT TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF YOUNG VULNERABLE GIRLS YOU CREEP!!
IF I WAS ANY OF THOSE GIRLS FATHERS I WOULD TRY TO LITERALLY KILL YOU SICKOO!!
FIND PEOPLE YOUR OWN AGE YOU FUCKING UGLY WEIRDO!!!
WHY DONT YOU GO FUCK YOURSLF!!!!!!
GO TO HELLL!!!!
Moral turpitude is a legal concept in the United States that refers to "conduct that is considered contrary to community standards of justice, honesty or good morals."
So based on the previous responses, this is not normal to a normal community by a factor of 73%% against it. BUT is it unjust, dishonest or against moral standards? That would depend on the State you reside in. The age of consent in Arkansas is 16. 14 if the person is not more than 2 years older than the victim.
Lets also not forget that community standards are often more strict in some communities than others. Take for instance in the Southern Bible belt State of Texas, you would be taking your life in your hands if you had sex with someones 16 year old daughter. So beware because they hit what they aim at in Texas.
Where as in some cities such as Detroit Michigan you might find that more citizens are more liberal and open about such age differences since they are ranked as the most liberal city in America.
I find the argument to be very ambiguous because who sat down and figured out at exactly what age we all become adults. I know that at age fourteen I was driving a brand new chevy camaro, I was responsible and I was not having sex with anyone even though girls my age were offering to me on a regular basis.
Some people mentally age better than others and are able to handle relationships better. I was super responsible at 14 but I still needed parental guidance from time to time. I am 58 now and my mother is deceased but I still welcome my dads advice. I see little difference between fourteen and now in the need for moral support.
I think if a young person finds an older person attractive then they should talk to their parents or peers about it first and decide for themselves if they can handle it.
I cannot see this as a right or wrong issue since the age of consent laws appear to be leftovers from biblical times when the women were more property than equals. Women were often married off at young ages in the hopes of getting a dowry for their family. Not much has changed except that the young women today often expect that an older man will be able to give them things their younger counterparts will not be able to provide. In the end it is a personal choice and people should mind their own business and leave others alone. Your moral are yours and other people's morals are their own. If the issue of age difference becomes a right or wrong issue let the young person be the one to complain.
I am tired of people always sticking their nose into other people's business as if they have all the answers. Most of the people here are simply expressing the views taught to them by their parents, and have put no thoughts of their own into this forum. Judging by the atrocious spelling there are many poorly educated people writing about things they don't understand.
There are so many attractive women in the 30-40 yr. old age group, that I'm not sure why the interest in the teenie boppers. If you have a problem dealing with older, more sophisticated woman then I think you should take a good look in the mirror.
However, I believe the likelihood of your being able to establish a long-term relationship with a young girl that you haven't already known for a while to be very, very unlikely. Society is uncomfortable with a large age gap. My husband and I do get stares and snide remarks from strangers. I think you would feel very out of place if you were the only older adult among a group of her friends, just as she would feel awkward in a group of just people your age. As has already been mentioned, you would probably find it difficult to connect or bond in any significant way.
Yes, you might somehow be able to negotiate a clandestine tryst with a young girl who got a crush on you (in which case I would seriously question her character and maturity), but it would almost certainly end badly. You might even be courting bodily harm, if a father, brother, or jealous boyfriend got involved.
But I won't dash all your hopes. There is one thing you could try if you still have the desire, along with some resolve and fortitude. You could work on just being a friend, nothing more, to a young girl. Don't expect to get her into bed; don't even touch her! Just be her friend, allow her to bring you into her crowd, and introduce her to your family and friends in situations that have other teens present. Girls like men who care about them. Over time, something *might* develop. More likely, though, societal norms will eventually push her to connect with someone her own age.
Frankly, I think it would be a better investment of your time and energy to find someone just a little closer to your own age. There are 35-to-40-year-old women who would be quite content with a man your age. Any single librarians in that age range?
It doesn't meen someone in there 20s 30s 40s or older legally can can have sex with a 16 year old.That is still 18.
Yes exactly. Leave them alone. Allow them to bloom and blossom without your interference. These lovely young blooms are naive, despite their apparent flirting they are still very young mentally and emotionally, still even physically, although they may look developed. If you had a young daughter and she told you she had slept with a man over 30 years her senior how would you feel?
My mother always told me your first sexual experience should be something beautiful and special. I was lucky that it was, I was 20 when I lost my virginity, note to a man almost 20 years older than me.. but we loved each other dearly and although it did not work out, we are still very good friends. And I was old enough at 20 to make the choice to give him the special gift of my virginity. This should be the same for these girls.They are entitled to a special first time. Don't rob them of this special gift with your selfish hormonal, semi-paedophilic desires!
i know because i am one and you probly really dont wanna go there! and besides the whole meeting the parents thing is completly out of the question
but if she's for it and your for it, and theirs no issues with the law, f*** what everyone else thinks lmao
yoohs a playaaa, props.
May I have your IP, sir?
Having said that, its completely nobodies business but the 2 parties involved. A person will be challenged by lifes ups and downs and whether ones life is full of turmoil and hardship and anothers isnt. The laws of man are not absolute. Nature overrides them all in some way shape or form. People here expousing their conditioned truths, sicken me. Because they only speak from their bubble wrapped politically correct standpoint. However they dismiss the panoroma of what life is really all about. And that is experiences, good bad or ugly they are all valid.
If I had a daughter who brought home a 50yr old man, and I saw it was a sincere bond, I would not be any more judgemental than if a snotty nosed teen walked in wanting to empregnante her. In fact I would at least be relieved the older man has more sense. In recent history it was frowned upon when a girl would date a guy her age, but smiled upon if she chose a lawyer or doctor as her chosen guy with good moral standing. How things change in less than a century. Thanks to this consumerist world we now live in filled with pop culture falsehoods.
seriously you old fudy duddys pay more attention to Lawrence Welk that is if he is not to "Racey" for you.......... LOL
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I don't see why it's so amoral for someone older to go out with (and oerhaos sleep with) someone who's much younger than them... up until the late nineteenth century it was perfectly acceptable for things like this to happen. But yes, the world is corrupt anyways... however, just like 'grown-ups' (a term I will use VERY loosely) not all teenagers are innocent.
I was quite concerned early on about opinions, and worried to meet her family.
I was shocked to discover them all quite open and accepting owing to my gf's wild childhood, no one was surprised by this latest.
Now almost a year together, her grands came to my grandmas funeral recently, they came to support. I mean, how kind and accepting.
We are not the norm, and there are many challenges but we may get married yet, we remain very much in love and the sparks are still flying after having passed thru much in the past year.
I don't think this could work for all.
I think in some ways it is because of how women are today that drives an older man to look for a young girl. Lets face it all women are out to find someone that can support them, and lets not Kidd ourselves there have been too many studies that prove women are just to picky . I really think whats bothering you women out there is that you see these older men with preteen girls, and it makes you jealous.After all, you are getting older and becoming less attractive. Whereas the younger girl, she is taking all the attention away from you!!!!!!!
Sick!!!
Petafile is what most people would say! Little girls! Jut because they just got thier boobs doesn't mean you have a right be looking @ them like a woman!
There's more to life than just having sex with young girls. If I saw that I would think "what a pervert" and most people would think of the girl as being either A)a slut or B) a money hungry girl.
What would you converse about? Trust me, you relationship won't last, she will be interested in younger guys in no time, go watch some porn or something before you go to work so you wont be tempted.
What's unfortunate is that a 19-year old such as yourself (TwoDoorsDown), gave what is probably the most reasonable and mature answer to this question. I wouldn't doubt if your level of maturity played a key role in why your husband married you in the first place. Most 19-year old girls I've known could hardly qualify, on virtually any level, as marriage material.
On that note, normal is a relative subject. What is normal varies from person to person, city to city, country to country and culture to culture. If you are within the legal bounds of the law, then there is little anyone can do to stop you from perusing this.
You should, however, be prepared for what will likely be a short-lived relationship. Teenage girls, in general, are not known for their high levels of maturity. Unless you're into movies like Twilight, and TV shows like Jersey Shore and Teen Mom, not mention, hanging out at the mall on weekends, it's hard to imagine what the two of you could ever find in common. And I highly doubt that she's going to find your current lifestyle all that stimulating.
If you can handle the dirty looks you will likely get from women your age, and the possibility that many of these girls you're interested in might give you a response like "Ewwww!" when you ask them out or express a sexual/romantic interest in them, then by all means, go for it. Just don't expect her father, her older brother, or her guy friends to be thrilled with her decision to date you.
This is awesome. My cousin is friendly with Jeff Epstein, a financial tycoon. I think he is doing a prison sentence now for inviting an underage girl to his villa and showing his penis to her, but that's only because she deceived him into thinking she was older. Other than that, he is a very cool guy and he even has a sex slave from former Yugoslavia.
Anyway, try it out ask one of the girls out if they are of legal age for you.
By the way since you are mainly interested in sex, bear in mind that you don't have the buff body or quality of erection of the 18 year old guy next door who she has the option of dating instead of you make sure you bring your arsenal of woman-pleasing knowledge and viagra to compensate in the bedroom otherwise the sex will not be great for her and she will dump you instantly, for the 18 year old guy next door with the buff body and strong erection.
From a biological point of view, it's perfectly natural for older individuals of both sexes to be attracted to younger individuals of the opposite sex. And biologically speaking, a 16 year-old woman isn't a child anymor. If she has gone through puberty (and at 16 this is usually the case) then she is an adult physically. From a psychological point of this'll becomes much more complicated, but you'll have to figure that out for yourself. :)
What can you expect conversation-wise? Well, it all depends on the person you're attracted in. You'll need to get to know the young woman to know how she is, as in any kind of relationship. Since you're a librarian, you probably enjoy litterature and more intellectual subjects. You should then try to find a young woman who goes to the library because she actually enjoys reading and exercising her mind, and not merely beacause she has to do it for school, for example.
If possible, you should find a young woman who's very mature for her age, otherwise you will probably get bored after a while.
And, to all the self-righteous people out there: minor women CAN be attracted to older men, just as younger men CAN be attracted to older women. There's a norm, but there aren't any rules! I myself am a 17 year-old woman interested in literature, science, religion, spirituality, nature, biology, psychology, and so on... I'm not interested in "pop-culture", getting drunk and partying until 5 in the morning. I actually write correct English and French and don't have to use LOLs and such in a written conversation, which is more that can be said of some so-called "adults". I have been in a relationship with a 50 year-old man for a while now. An emotional and sexual relationship which has taught me a lot, made me grow considerably and which has brought me wonderful experiences! Yes, I am attracted to him and have loads to talk about with him. Men my own age seldom if ever attract me, and might I remind some of you that being younger, "well-hung", but inexperienced doesn't necesarilly amount to a beautiful first sexual experience. It can, on the contrary, be much more disagreable and hurtful than with an older but more experienced man. Again, there are no rules here! And being over 50,whether you're a man or a woman, doesn't mean you're dead...
In short, I wish good luck to you who seeks this kind of bond.
-dating a much older man
He's my wonderful old man and I couldn't be any happier.
Sure, it maybe wrong but it's soooo right
I think it's gross.
Get a hobby old man.
and as for the guy writing this, if i was the father of one of those girls your old fuckin ass tried to pick up, i would grab a broom handle, wrap the whole thing up in barb wire, kidnap you, then take the barb wire broom and shove it in and out of your asshole untill you bled to death. you sick old fuck.
I believe that love knows no boundaries and that includes age thank you very much.
so fuck off
If it is against the law, move to somewhere it isn't.
Morals can kiss my ass.
I'm 18 and you're old enough to be my dad which THANK GOD you're not you fuckin pedo!
Go find someone your own age, oh and one more other thing... YOUR SOOO NOT NORMAL!
You have to be sure that they're okay with it though and don't force them into anything they're not ready for.
that's absolutely sick. how would i react? obviously, i'd think it was your daughter. and if i saw a couple like that being affectionate, i'd almost certainly be compelled to dial 911.
you need help! and you should also be in jail... hum... i hope you get arrested soon.
by the way have fun in hell ^^
Seriously, this would obviously be just a sex thing since you have no future together. In 12 years you'll be 60 and she'll be in her twenties still.
Plus what are you gonna talk about? Your musical tastes are probably different. Shit, there are 8 years between my wife and me (I'm older) and even that relatively small difference comes out sometimes.
Don't waste your time with her. You need to be the grownup here. Fantasize about her, but leave it at that.
Personally for me it's tough because I do not want some woman whom has been with a million guys or has 10 kids all from different relationships, or who basically hate men because of a bad relationship or two, but at the same time, I don't want a kid either, I want someone whom is attractive whom has not slept with half of the world and understands and has the maturity of how to have a long lasting relationship. I don't even know if it's out there anymore. The world has changed so much. My advice though is to tread softly here and realize your position of trust and don't cross that line. I've seen it too many times, it's really not worth it. Best of luck to you. I do understand your position more than most and do not judge you, but realize there are lines there and the lines there are for a reason. They are kids and they do not have the maturity to handle the pressure that the relationship would bring and in the end, you'd be the one hurt and condemned. Seen that too many times as well. Good luck to you. Use your head and do he right thing.
If it is, then you must have a small P___S. Or you need to pick up a gun and end your life....
If you dont, then how would a little child compare to a wonderful, experienced lady.
You must have been rejected with your first....
Sorry about your luck ~ and call me, I want to KYA
So let's all get together and come up with as many names as we can for old geezers who like young but legal women. We've got creeps, sickos, weirdos... I mean they are subhuman after all, aren't they? They can't be human like me.
(see http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ef/Age_of_Consent.png) 16 is the age of consent in most countries, so I don`t see a problem as long as you`re in one of those ...
To all those sprouting "below 18 = jail" > stop assuming everyone lives where you live lol, as you can see on the map there`s a country with age 9 as age of consent ... and quite a few with age 14 as age of consent.
Also note that 13 has been the age for marriage for about 1800 years, if not more, it`s just that society changed it views in the last 100-200 years...
So I`d just call it natural instinct to be attracted to girls `round those ages, just stupid social stigma making it look like it`s worse then serial killing ...
You, my man are a pedaphile
Mate i think your reading the signals wrong.
From your own statement ive gathered your a well dressed, clean cut & respectable older man, you may even be handsome. Your also the girls libarian and 32 years their senior, so think about it, of course they are going to look up to you, be nice to you and listen to what you say.
they may even seem flirty and all that, but thats just how teenage girls act, its their hormones kicking them in the arse and saying 'hello'.
They may even be doing it on purpose as a dare or bet with their friends.
Either way dont mistake her niceness/flirtyness as sexual attraction because its simply not, its probably just young girls admiring a respectable older man, make a move on them and they will no longer see you as respectable.
Just sayin it how it is mate, i know how you feel though, damn girls can be attractive & sometimes youd do anything for them!
Now, regarding your attraction to teenage girls, the stark reality is that all men (well, straight ones at least) are attracted to younger women. It's just the way we are wired. I sometimes find myself checking out a young women in her 20's and thinking "wow, I'd love to **&&^ her!" But I don't act on it because what the heck would we have in common? Absolutely nothing but sex.
My advice would be to keep these thoughts as fantasies in your head and do not go after these young girls!!! Focus on women closer to your age. If you are 48, and must go after a younger woman, then try dating women in their late 30's or older.
Take a good look in the mirror and come to terms with the fact that you are no longer 22 years old!!!!
Good Luck and find a woman closer to your own age!!!
One night one of my daughter’s 14 year old friends came to my house looking for (Josie) my daughter and basically this is where it all started. We spent a few hours together and really liked each others company. Sometimes when my Josie had her mates round at my place Keeley (that is her name) stayed at mine until it was time for her bus after everyone else including my daughter had gone home. About one month or so later one day we both admitted to each other that we fancied each other which was confusing for me as this girl was only 14 and was one year younger than my 15 year old daughter and I had now just turned 40.
In the end we decided to go with our feelings rather than what other people say is right or wrong so it was at this point where I started calling Keeley my girlfriend. And as people are probably curious yes I don’t mind admitting we did shortly after that start a sexual relationship. At first I performed oral sex on her on occasion then a few weeks after she wanted to do it to me so I made sure she was certain and that she knew what she was about to do and there was no pressure so I let her do oral on me. After about a week from then I did eventually have penetrative sex with her. (in her vagina)
Basically yes I did have sex with a 14 year old but we loved each other and still do. I am 56 now and she is 30, we are married and have 2 kids together and are still having great sex so cant think how anyone in the same situation would be doing anything wrong…
And did you know that's probably considered rape?
Go to hell you sick bastard.