Biblical record of time is not based on what we today consider a year, but then you knew that. I totally disagree with these superfluous stickers; however Darwin's "theory" of evolution is indeed one theory that has been given a stamp of approval in the scientific community, but you knew that too. What I do like is that you studied both sides and came to your own conclusion. He gave us free will to choose and He would appreciate that.

LISTEN MISSY GOD DOES NOT LIKE YOU CONSIDERING THEORIES THAT DIRECTLY CONFLICT WITH HIS WORD. WHY DO YOU MAKE BABY JESUS CRY?

Well Eric (nice name!),

a.) I am not a Missy...

b.) Baby's are suposed too cry !

c.) Let 'God' tell me this himself please, are you his
marketingmanager or so ?

If this was a serious reply, Eric, people that act and react like you do are probably also the people who want the evolution 'theorie' out of the schoolbooks and that's the problem.

People like you...Acting as spokespersons for 'God'...Defending 'him' even ?!? Why bother with the disbelievers ? They will be punished in the end anyway and burn in Hell...Or is this also just a theorie ?

We dont want anyone to burn in Hell...that means Satan wins. God wants us to speak for him.....he will find you if you only let him........are you completely happy with your life? my guess is your not ....God can give you that.

It is a theory, so I think they have a responsibility to let kids
know that. At least the kids get to learn about it and decide what they believe for themselves.

"are you completely happy with your life? my guess is your not ....God can give you that"

Mmhh...So you were unhappy, found God (or God found you, like you so elegantly put it) and became happy ?! So according to you, without God a preson cannot be happy ?

I cannot believe anyone being completely happy with his or her life...I wish I was that narrowminded and could be happy while wars are happening while we speak, the global warming problem gets bigger every day and people are dying every minute because the medication that could save them will cost too much and so on, and so on...

Things and situations that don't make me feel comletely happy when I think about them...

But maybe when I believe in (some) God I couldn't care less, thanks for the tip !

But you really do not have to explain it is a theorie ?

When something is called 'The evolution THEORIE', what more is there to explain ?

Evolution is not a theory it is a demonstrable fact. You can observe evolution in insects and birds during your own lifetime.

It's because the religious people are deluded sheep. Not normal at all.

Because America was founded by puritans (people driven out of england for being weird and very very boring. They cancelled christmas when they ruled over Britan!!), who are mad fantics similar to Al quida in thier outlook. Althouh most of America is now a widly cultured, enlightened and free land, some of this Christian fanantacism still lingers.

I love weighing into these debates, almost as much as I despise religion of all types.

I think relgious people should keep on denouncing evolution, it's doing them a lot more harm than good.
The trouble is I have religious friends and they are good and honest people in the main and it is difficult reconciling that with the stupidity being perpetrated in the name of Islam, etc all round the world.
I suppose once you have been indoctrinated by this hogwash from an early age it is very difficult to be objective about the fact that you are under the spell of an ancient social control mechanism.

Feel sorry for the religious people. Help them see the error of their ways. If that doesn't work we'll just have to sterilise them so that they cannot infect the next generation.

I actually have a problem with the Carbon Dating equation. One tiny variance in the constant can throw it thousands of years off.

Hey Mungbean !,
Glad to read that there are more people feeling sorry for those who 'believe' !

At the moment there is a show in Holland on television called 'God does not excist'. It is a series of interviews with people that have actually studied something ! and they explain why it is silly to believe in something like God and some explain just how it is possible that a grown adult believes in something that isn't there. Hell broke loose in Holland. :evil laughter:

An example from what somebody on the programm said:
"In America you have christmas with Santa Claus. This is nice when you are a kid, but when you get older you find out that Santa Claus is just a guy in a suit earning a few holiday bucks. So your 'believe' is corrected at a later age...With religion the mistake is that this correction never takes place."
(they used our Santa Claus in the storie)

When I heard this I had a grin on my face, because this is what I always say in discussions on the matter.

A very nice and discussed programm, which maybe will open some 'believers' eye's....If they dare to watch that is of course.

3) Why doesn't God tell me this himself. (probably paraphrased)
"Thou shall not test thte Lord, thy God"

Eveutionary theory is indeed a theory. Evolution is a fact, as is Natural Selection. The debate is whether or not the majority of human developement was evolution or creation. Carbon dating on fossils just bring up more questions. The missing links where what appear to be human forebearers are great, and even when the steps seem logical, the amount of time carbon dating puts them apart are almost an inconcievably short amount of time to make those transitions. As someone else pointed out, carbon dating can be thrown off, but these descrepencies seem to reappear a lot.
As for why enforce it? Religious people want to save as many as will be saved. This means stopping temtations and wrong beliefs.
I personally like guided evolution, in which a supreme being guided the evolution of bacteria into everything that is today.

Oke, Element10010...

If there was a god, why isn't everybody believing in the same one ?

Example:
People that have had a near death experience in which god spoke to them or they spoke to god describe 'him' differently all over the world. With a long white beard in Europe, with eight arms in India and so on. If there was a 'supreme being' wouldn't he, in the end, look the same to everybody ? Silly rabbit !

God created us in his own image, and look how different we are. The true image of God is not something that we can comprehend in our reality.
As for why not everyone worships the same one, look up the Tower of Babel. That is why humans are not one culture. It would make sense that after God banished you from his favor, you would find something to replace him. Hence the fake gods. I will also point out that God made us concious because he wants us to have the choice to love him, because that type of love means more.

And I hate the whole Trix rabbit theme. It is so stupid to say that a sugary breakfast item may only be enjoyed by human minors and young goats.

I find it sad and infuriating that these stickers exist. Fortunately, Christianity doesn't have the same stanglehold on us as they did in the past. Otherwise, us heretics would all be tortured and burned alive and quite rightly in their eyes. Like the ancient Old Boys Clubs, the mad King James or any other religious leader with his own agenda, both Church & State still govern us all. Those stickers are a harsh reminder.
(Mental note to self: If Darwinians bearing pamphlets knock on my door on an early Saturday morning I will invite them in for coffee.)

and by the way.......
I will not argue the existance of God. Every person can belive in whoever or whatever they please. I despise ANY religion that forbids this right and oppresses individuals.

What do people mean with the word god anyways?

I think they are referring to William Shatner from Star Trek...you know, Capn. Kirk.

Good one ;)

Oh, we have now unlocked the genome (actually in 2003): This could shed some light on how the human race came about...

Evolution is 'just a theory' but its a well supported theory with lots of evidence. Part of the problem with many religuous people is that they're unable to cope with the idea that nothing is quite ever entriely certain.

However, Creationism is not a theory, its just one of a million old ideas with no evidence for them. I could come up with one that fits the evidence more anyday, and just because lots of people have believed it doesn't mean we shouldn't admit it is one of the worst explantations.

The reason why creationism should not be taught on par with evolution/science is that it is not science! It is not a rational hypothesis that has been deduced from and tested against evidence! It is an old story that is no more science than a fairy tale is.

Its not about 'open mindedness' that children should not be taught creationism, its about teaching children things that actually have evidence to show they're true (or at least the best model.)

I think that at the moment children need to know about religions (but not just christianity) because they are memes that affect the way people and countries behave, and it seems we are having a new wave of religions having more influence at present.

Evolution theory isn't forced on people in the same way that we don't force children to believe that a ball near the earth will fall down... Theres a lot of things to tell the child that this is what happens.

But saying 'theres a sentient being who created the world x,000 years ago and you'll go to hell if you don't believe in him' is forcing, because, show me the evidence, and a book doesn't count. Loads of old books say complete rubbish, especially if the author doesn't test his beutiful but stupid idea, even newton wrote some complete rubbish when he was being a lax alchemist or whatever.

To all the Catholics and Catholic demoniations, here's a nice little tidbit to shut your yap.

Vatican II declared a while ago that the theory of evolution does not conflict with any of your beliefs. This means that you are misinformed on what the evolution theory is, or you're just a fucking idiot.

he told me to get the f*ck off his yard, then chased me for 20 minutes =l

merciful, i think not

Darwin was an idiot and evolution should stop being taught in schools!!!

well if evolution doesnt conflict with the catholic religion then catholics are idiots too and need to study the bible a little bit more closely!! god made man. man didnt not evolve from monkeys or any of that other stupid shit darwin tried to prove.

Technically everything is a theory. There is no way to actually prove how the earth was made or how we all came to be. People can only really go on the knowledge they have been told by other people. For example if everyone one in the world told u ur whole life the the world was made by a a turtle called Steve u'd spend ur life believeing tht.

Think about it, has anyone ever proved to you that humans evolved? Or have they just showed u nice diagrams and confused you with big words.

The scientific approach is no more ridiculous than a religous one. They are both just theorys, and in truth thats all we will ever have as this is something that is indeed impossible to actually PROVE.

i once saw a program on creationism when people tried to prove that not only did god created man, but he created dinosaurs at the same time, and they were the size of sheep

This conversation really needs more Methos. And Erick please please for the love of sounding intelligent, which is the premise of our disagreement with the religious faction, theory is spelled with a y. You're hurting your cause, or you're also fighting a war on spelling, in favor of some sort of revolution of the ie. Ok, I'm obsessive, but if one of the main premises behind belief in evolution is that we educate ourselves, then spelling errors indicate that we are uneducated, and thus the same as our opponents. I don't know if that really made any sense, because I'm on a lot of pain medication right now(I have mono), but hopefully you get the idea. Not sinking to 'their level' and such.

you do not come from a fungus, you come from a molecule that created copies of itself.
Copies which inherited its characteristics.

Once such a molecule has formed, evolution starts.

4 billion years is a lot of time.

REligion is fucking bollocks

Do you mean that the "Darwinian Theory" is a theory? When will wonders cease.

Yes, it is true that it is ban here in American, but certain schools around the U.S. allow students to choose whether they want to explore that side of evolution. It is b/c of the schools being public, and religion.

america, the violent, the indifferent, god shit his grace on thee

In my class, the teacher said it was just a theory and did not mention Darwins theory being abandoned from school. Everyone accepted the theory and moved on to another subject without any complaints.

not touchin that with a 10 foot pole.

If they do that, they should put a warning lable on the Bible saying "This book is just a myth".

Gravity is also a theory.

I wanna see bibles and korans put in the nonfiction section, or at least the history section lol

i saw a bumper stciker once that i want. it said "Evolution is just a theory... Kind of like Gravity!" Personally, I believe people evolved, but whatever. i think the sticker thing is retarded lol.

I see this.... you are not a spiritually fit person who can possibly love god, so therefore spreading the word that his son Jesus is the saviour of mankind is not for you, you won't be judged on your works for him and will not talk to the father. it will appear to you he doesn't love you either, but did he?, he pleaded with every man to follow his son to the day he dies, he gave his only begotten son so you could be forgiven your sins......weigh this out and reconsider.

I guess that sums it up these people from europe and india, now your on top of the world you supersleuth you!!!!, I love the living god who's love is enduring enough that people like yourself were alive to this point to get all the kinds of ignoramical viewpoints you have so people can see your message and hear the son of god's message and can weigh everything out and with alot of hope they don't wind up still in the dark with no faith as you!

didnt any of you morons think that the theory of evolution is an explanation to how, rather than why?

i believe in both God and evolution.

evolution is probably Gods way of changing his children over time.

True, our government is pushing religion too much, which is deplorable and against everything that our country is supposed to stand for. However, I think it is good that most Americans do not pay much attention to the stickers, and are very open to other beliefs.
I mean, of course anti-Jewish sentiment is and has always been around (in ours and nearly every other society), so not much can be done there, and anti-Muslim sentiment is gaining popularity because of the actions of the muslim extremists.

But other than that, we are a very tolerant society when it comes to religion or lack thereof.

here is an example. If there is this "God" why did he let 9/11 happen?

o, and HOLY SHIT! this is from two years ago!!!! LOL!

well im not exactly religous but neither am i athiest. i dont see how theuniverse was randomly created and human being the most advanced thing there is just randomly happend. like survival of the fittest why would there be such a thing. why should life want to survive.

i am botherd at the thought of a god almost more than the thought of there not being a god. why were we created. people live horrible lives of pain and suffering most of the world doesnt have enough food, people get serable paulsy and live bed ridden all their lives. it would be better if we never exsisted. we d9ont like to think that but its not death its not exsisting. i personally am leaning twards there being a god but i dont see how its a great thing.

As soon as someone gives an opposing view to the ideas of christianity, they go ahead and slap on the end of it, "oh its just part of gods plan", well ollocks to that, convenience is all it is. For example, look back say when people thought the world was flat, any ideas conflicting this got torn up. The world would be better off without religion, deal with it, theres no proof for any of it, all it is, is belief, and if it is just a bunch of ideas thrown together by monks and shit over the years then it means so many people have based thier lifes on stories and theories. What a waste. Wars could have been avoided, the majority of cases of racism could be avoided, but no, its all thrown together like a shit in an oven. FUCK CATHOLICS AND ALL RELIGION YOU RIGHTOUS BASTARDS!

Religion is ridiculous. In today's modern world there's no excuse for believing what a bunch of primitive fools wrote down. My god, people just want to feel like they aren't responsible for themselves, and that they can just lay the blame on god for anything wrong in their life. Even if they did what was wrong. Makes me sick

Religion is just a scam so that life is easier to live. Once you die, you sleep for 192890470921387410823740981723095621078953 years, and then you get so bored of counting the years gone by, you just lay there. Forev's.

Yo i got know Idea what yo on about but it's something crazy missy and u gotta sort yo issues out. No offense meant.

God doth watcheth you all post this shiteth and he will smitheth thee down with thunderbolts and deap puppies. So sayeth the Potato.

WOAH, WAIT A MINUTE HERE, SLOW DOWN...

American children read books?

lol!

all the above guys are absolute punks

first of all understand wht is a fact
Generally, a fact is something that is the case, something that actually exists, or something that can be verified according to an established standard of evaluation.There is a range of other uses, depending on the context. People are interested in facts because of their relation to truth

evolution is totally illogical

A logical argument is sometimes described as "rational" if it is logically valid. However, rationality is a much broader term than logic, as it includes "uncertain but sensible" arguments based on probability, expectation, personal experience and the like, whereas logic deals principally with provable facts and demonstrably valid relations between them. For example, ad hominem arguments are logically unsound, but in many cases they may be rational. A simple philosophical definition of rationality refers to one's use of a "practical syllogism". For example,

I am cold
If I close the window I will not be cold
Therefore, I closed the window

there r no fukin facts to prove eveolution alright...so all the aboveguysshut the fuck up and get lost with ur insane theories

wether what proves evolution right beyond any reasonable doubt is called a fact or not isn't important.

evolution is when characteristics contribute to the probable reproduction of a life form.

Under such circumstances, in the long run, qualities that enhances probable reproduction get more widespread whereas those who decrease it get fewer.
This is happening in front of our very eyes all the time. Nothing to prove, just look, its right there.

And with billions of years life can take unbelievable changes, always small steps at a time.

It's impossible to bypass this without a phenomenal degree of denial or lack of interest in the world.

@Rockandroll84101 (7127) "but did he?, he pleaded with every man to follow his son to the day he dies, he gave his only begotten son so you could be forgiven your sins......weigh this out and reconsider."

Oh dear...So...Because it says somewhere in 'a book' (and I do know how important this book is for many people!) it is the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth?! Quite pathetic if people think like that. Who wrote the book? And why? All questions that cannot be answered are treated as god's mysterious ways and so...It's not mysterious at all.

Just like StarWars and Harry Potter it was or even is a good story, nothing more than that.

Were did you get your 'proof'? Do you believe everything you read? You just read it and thought 'WOW! That's heavy, I believe!'. Would you please read Harry Potter with the same enthusiasm please...Maybe you can do magic after it!

I cannot believe simply because I don't see 'in what' I should believe?! 'What' should I feel when I have found god? How do you know if it isn't 'the devil' giving me my 'loved feelings'?

You just cannot know. So I would fear everything if I were you. But that's another story.

@satan "Vatican II declared a while ago that the theory of evolution does not conflict with any of your beliefs. This means that you are misinformed on what the evolution theory is, or you're just a f**king idiot."

But you forgot to tell that the pope at that time agreed to this only if there would never be talked about 'what was there before the big bang'.

Even the Vatican ('even'...HAHAHA! Bunch of pedophiles!) has got questions that they are afraid to ask. But they just call it 'lack of faith' if someone has questions...

@Anonymous (the brave) "Darwin was an idiot and evolution should stop being taught in schools!!!"

At least he was an idiot that thought for himself.