Wat Should i do

dude the cousins aren't good for family relations. but (ive never and never will) u could remember that no one s related when the lights go out.

You answered it yourself...you need help!

i would talk 2 her bout it. Maybe she has the same feelings and eventually ull grow out of it

im 16 and my cousin is 21 i masturbate to her al the time its ok, she has huge double d's and a great body and i fantisise about her all the time, i dunt care if its normal or not

just f**k her

It's not "against nature," stargirl, though it is against our current cultural norms. Even at the beginning of the 20th century, it was pretty normal for first cousins to marry, and it's practiced in lots of cultures.

Just saying that "nature" might be in the eye of the beholder.

Up to a point (and I'm really not sure what that point is), close breeding or inbreeding in animals can actually strengthen the stock. Do it for too many generations in a row and you get problems, but short=term it doens't have any negative effects.

Dude she's your cousin that's not right you IMBREEDER!

Um eww. My advice is to don't date her. I'm sure there will be someone esle like her.

tell her how you feel

i think you 2 should just play around, have sex, or whatever but always remember your cousins not boyfriend an girlfriend....so do it for fun not love....oh and never ever ever ever ever cum inside her,that would be REALLY BAD.....and make sure you and her never let anybody else find out

this is no crime against nature. naturally you are supposed to pick out the most attractive female and mate as much as possible(forcibly or not). so go f****** rape her already

I'm sorry I just wanted to say stargirl you're a freaking moron. Inbreeding holds the same risk of genetic abnormalities for animals as it does people. The risk arise becauses indivduals of close genetic kinship have a greater chance of inheriting two recessive gene alleles that cause some type of diseases. If you could find a gene pool that had most of these genes weeded out a brother and sister could produce perfecty normal off spring.(geneticly that is) First cousin interbreeding isn't unnatural for humans it used to be pretty common in America and still is common in some parts of the world(India for example). You're so freaking arrogant because it offends you suddenly it's agianst the very workings of the natural world. What does and does not constitute unatural mating behavior in humans various to a degree from culture to culture. And sex with a first cousin isn't even the most odd or harmful practice. There is only a slight increase in risk of birth defects as compared to other couples offspring. If you come from a genticly healthy family the chances are almost zero. Also the doubling of certain gene alleles can also lead to genius as well as retardation. You really need to know what in the hell you're talking about stargirl before you open your mouth. But anyway having said that kid you're only 13 and modern society tends to frown upon that sorta thing. Just wait you'll get older and meet someone you're not related to. It's perfectly normal though to have those feelings but in time you'll move on. Never listen to star girl by the by. She's an idiot.

how many inbred people do you know?

Animals exhibit only small amounts of genetic mutation in the short term.

Long term interbreeding creates genetic diseases in animals that are very hard to get rid of in entire breeds.

But yes, he has no idea what the fuck he is talking about.

No you're wrong ask any body that breeds dogs. Many of them have abnormailies that run in breeds due to the high rate of inbreeding. Domestic animals ecspeacily farm animals may have a lower rate of defects due to human breeding and use but the risk is just as high for wild animals. As matter of fact if you bred the defects out of human DNA the way we've done with cows for example. You could bang your mom and have perfectly normal children(geneticly anyway) (How do you think the various races of man came to be? small gene pools breeding back onto one another. I guarentee when you have a clan of less than a hundred that cousins will be up for grabs. )You just notice the defects more in humans. Because you're human. I mean a dog comes out as a half wit little runt it's cute a human comes out that way and it's awful. You really very arrogant about your own values and sensibilites try prying that mind open a bit. If a wolf had the intelligence of a human being I'm sure a bulldog would look quit horrid to him the bulldogs physical features are a result of in breeding or line breeding as breeders call it.The same risks are involved. The same mechanism are responsible for genetic birth defects in humans as in other animals
here try reading a little
http://cc.ysu.edu/~helorime/inbred.html
http://cc.ysu.edu/~helorime/inbredgen.html

Further more it's the same because mathmatics are universal. Let me explian. There are two alleles to a given gene. In this example will call the N and r. Lets say the N is the normal dominate healthy gene and r is the reccesive gene that cause some birth defect. Lets say blindness. Organism a and organism b are siblings let say. And produce a child. Well since you have two traits and two positions that means you have 2^2 possible combinations of genes:NN Nr rN rr since allele position in a gen loci is unimportant you really only have three diffrent possiblities in terms of the health of the off spring. If the offspring comes out as NN or Nr it can see because N is dominate so you have a 75 percent chance of a sighted offspring and 25 percent chance of a blind one. Or in other words if you have 4 children on average one would be blind. Thts the same biology, the same math wether we're talking rats or humans. The only variant is the number of defective genes in a population and ofcourse what one considers defective. stargirl try picking up a book once in a while it'll do wonders for your education. But hey at least you got your ad hominem in there.

LOL man this is great

"I've lived on a farm with dogs, cats, chickens, cows, horses, and pigs the majority of my life. Whenever inbreeding occurred, there was a chance of the offspring being abnormal in some way."
That's exactly what I said. --> "The risk arise becauses indivduals of close genetic kinship have a greater chance of inheriting two recessive ge ne alleles that cause some type of diseases."
Why are you restating my argument then presenting it back to me? Oh well those are good first steps to the use of logic you just need some more practice.



"The reason I say inbreeding abnormalities happen in humans more often is BECAUSE we are more aware of abnormalities. You can assume I don't read books, but you're only making an ass out of yourself...like the old saying goes."

I apologize it just must be your reading comprehension skills that need work. I fact you may want to work remembering what you write because you said "Procreation in ANIMALS who are closely related is not going to result in inbreeding and deformities. " you also said "Research and medical records show that inbreeding in humans is more dangerous to our species than it is to other animals." So first you stated that it causes no problems. Now your saying it does. Then you stated that there are medical records that show it doesn't cause as much problems in humans as animals. But Now you're trying to say that your argument rested on the fact that we're more aware of the effects. You're contridcting your self. Not to mention the fact that your also just restating what I already said. from my last post--->"You just notice the defects more in humans. Because you're human. " Oh well give it some time and practice and may have something close to a rational thought. But trust rewording what someone else has already said after they said it and trying to make it look like it was your own thought issn't the way to go.







"The problem with inbreeding is that any genetic abnormalities in that family are going to be more likely to come out more prominent in the offspring.....that's why I believe that incest is not a good thing."


Once agian just pointing out what I already said. See the thing is you didn't say " incest is not a good thing." you said "it's disgusting and a crime against nature". First off disgusting is subjective and believe it or not the entire world doesn't judge the validity of their practices or belief system based on wether or not stargirl thinks it's right. I know I know hard to believe huh? Second of all you're a moron if you think produceing children with your cousin is a crime agianst nature. "Crime agianst nature" As if the offspring of two cousins is the same thing as splicing human and fish dna in order to engineer a race of super aqutic slaves. Yeah in modern America it gives you an icky vibe but it's not absoultly agianst the natural laws of the world to do so. It happens in animals and it's still a common practice in many parts of the world. You state you're opions as if they're absolute fact and anybody that doesn't agree with them is turning there back on the light of wisdom that appearantly you think god bestowed upon you so you could spread enlightment to the whole world. When in reality you don't even know what you're talking about. As I've demonstrated above.


"When I say "crime against nature" I mean that it's a bad thing because of the higher chance of abnormalities and because it is ingrained in human behavior to not want to breed with family BECAUSE of the higher chance of abnormalities."

Once agian you demonstrate your total lack of knowledge on this subject. Various societies define incest differently there may be some in born human aversion to incest especailly with siblings and parents in humans but for the most part mating taboo as the deal with family members are not absolute in india for example you can marry and have children with your maternal aunt or uncle or there children and it's perfectly acceptable but not your fathers despite the fact the both are qequaly as related. It used to be common to marry your cousin in the us and europe. But in china for example you can't even marry someone with the same last name or sometimes last names will have other last names they can't marry into because of close relation to that name many years ago in history. It's not an absolute not even close to absolute when it comes to extended family and if you knew what the hell you were talking about you'd no that but you don't and you spout off anyway. Even the instinctive aversion to incest has little to do with someone actually being family it's those you grow up around and lived close enough for you to put them in some familial cateagory. Thats why most adopted siblings ,even if they know that they were adopted, that are raised together from early childhood don't endd up as husband in wife. On the other hand there has been instances were siblings that have been seperated at birth meet up find out they are siblings and feel romanticly attracted to each other. It amazes me how clueless you are.

"You can continue to TRY and insult me and my intelligence, but my OPINION (and that's what this site is about) is that incest is wrong because of the higher chance of abnormalities."

Believe me I don't have to try to insult your "intelligence". That takes no effort you practicly take care of that your self. Thats fine you think it's wrong but it's no crime agianst nature. If you would I've just said "I think thats gross and wrong" then ok fine thats your opion, but you said it's a "crime agianst nature" as if you had a word with god hime self and he gave you absolute knowledge of right and wrong. Plus of course nothing you said was even remotly true.
If you wanna try to dictate others thoughts feelings to them at least make sure you know what you're talking about.

"Go ahead and attack my morals now....you've got a one man audience who will cheer for you as long as you insult me."
Yeah chris is a cool guy huh? Who brought up your morals? I think you mean your character. Pick up a dictionary and thesaurus while your improving those reading skills. (there ya go)I may attack your personality and definitely your intellect. But right now we're not discussing your morals but when they come up I'll get back to you.

Stop entertaining such incestuous thoughts. Society has moved on since the Middle Ages.

Fucking cousins is a little trashy in my book, but probably just as risky for defects as two retards mating...

I'm not restating your argument, it was what I always thought, you were just too adamant on trying to prove me wrong to see it.

hahahaha Thats why you contridicted yourself three times right?? if thats what you thought why didn't you say that. Come on we both know you were poroven wrong and now you're simply try to backpeddal. Just be an adult and admit it,

hahaha
->"Procreation in ANIMALS who are closely related is not going to result in inbreeding and deformities. "
->"I've lived on a farm with dogs, cats, chickens, cows, horses, and pigs the majority of my life. Whenever inbreeding occurred, there was a chance of the offspring being abnormal in some way.

Can we say contradiction.

oh and by the by when you said "Procreation in ANIMALS who are closely related is not going to result in inbreeding and deformities. "

procreation in closely related animals IS inbreeding dumb dumb

hahahaha and I'm the ignorant redneck hick right.


"I fact?"

In fact*

"At least I can form sentances."
Well you can string words together. But they have little meaning.

"Notice how I didn't specify time line?"

hahahahahaha oncen agian you're just demonstrating your ignorance. First generation inbreeding has much a chance of effecting animals as people. hahaha you're grasping at straws. If you ment other wise you would have said other wise.

"It's more dangerous because of the lack of attraction towards an inbred person, causing less offspring."

hahahahahaha what does medical records have to do with that? You don't need medical records to tell you people don't like to have sex with freaks, but you know that and thats not what you ment you where implying that there were records showing it caused worse health effects in animals than humans. Otherwise you'd have never brought up medical records. Now your grasping at straws. hahahaha Are you really so small you'd rather sound so foolish than just admit your wrong? hahahahaha

"Just how many times did your relatives mate in order to produce a person like you with that thick of a skull?"

Searching Searching.......
NO VAILD POINT FOUND
ABORT,RETRY,FAIL????


"No f**king way!!!!

Of course it's subjective.....can you understand what the word "opinion" means too?"

Yeah but if it's your opinion than you can't claim it's a law agianst nature. You're opinions are not natural law unless... you don't think you're God do..do you, because that would explain alot.

"I wrote what I thought was right and wrong....that is EXACTLY what this site is about.....posting opinions on if we think the story is NORMAL or not....get it.....Is it NORMAL?......uh duhhhhhhhhhh
I can't believe how much I've had to dumb myself down in order to respond to you and what you think are logical arguments."


I'm seriuosly crying I'm laughing so hard. You made absolutly no point at all then you contridicted your self three or four times and now you're just lying and trying to (ineffectively) save face. haha I think it's quit beyond your ability to have a logical thought. I really do. Nice ad hominems. Notice how you always throw alot of them in there when you have no point. hahahahaha

"I posted my opinion,
If you have such a f**king problem with it than you can shove your head up your ass (of course, it's probably already there)."

Thats fine that's all wanted to here. You posted your opinion and in the procces said alot of stuff that was untrue and demonstrated your ignorance.

"If you cannot understand that incest in humans is worse then in animals, well that's your problem."



If you mean moraly and between immeditate then yes, but you didn't say morally or between immediate family you said cousins and biologicly and of course you were wrong.


"It's my OPINION that incest is against the laws of nature."

hahaha once agian you show how much of an idiot you are. An opinion is someones feelings on a none varifible subject. Opinions are formed about things that are subjective. Ie things that can't be falsified. Example. "I think the color blue is pretty." That's an opinion. it's subjective. This is not an opinion. "In America it's agianst the law to eaat donuts." Thats a state thats falseifiable. And it happens to be false. In the same vein the lwas of nature are falsifiable. And we know that incest can and does take place in nature. In human beings and with animals. Further more we know its acceptable in some human societies. Hence it's not a law or and an opinion and YOU ARE WRONG. hahahaha

"In humans when we are raised with siblings, we form certain bonds with them. Our natural instincts are supposed to keep us from being sexually attracted to our siblings"

hahahaha repeating what I've already said agian huh? ME:->"it's those you grow up around and lived close enough for you to put them in some familial cateagory."


"so inbreeding is not a common occurance and bad genes don't become emphasized....which seems to have happened to you."

Once agian you show how completly moronic you are because inbreeding doesn't just refer to siblings it includes cousins as well and as I've already pointed out sex and marriage with cousins IS common and does occurance. so once agian you're wrong.



"Medical reacords like mortality, health, ect.
Uh duuuuuuhhhhhhhhhh."

hahahaha My god can you stop contridicting yourself this is so sad. Really you need to see how dumb you are read between the !.

!
I said->"....... you also said 'Research and medical records show that inbreeding in humans is more dangerous to our species than it is to other animals'......."


You replied->"It's more dangerous because of the lack of attraction towards an inbred person, causing less offspring."


So I asked->"...what does medical records have to do with that? You don't need medical records to tell you people don't like to have sex with freaks....."

You said->"Medical reacords like mortality, health, ect.
Uh duuuuuuhhhhhhhhhh."
!

So now you're saying the medical records comment was about the death rate and health effects. hahahaha I mean my God I know you're stupid but could you at least try to stay consistent.


"You are not worth the amount of time it takes to read the arrogance and hate that spews from whatever it is you call your mind."

hahahahahahahahaha Now now don't get mad because you're to slow to debate rationaly or intelligently. hahahaha

so stargirl, you say that inbreeding doesnt result in mutations in animals? so how many 6 toed(per foot) cats have you seen? ive seen quite a few, and they were quite obviously due to a mother cat having babies with her son. i dont see the problem in a relashionship with a relative as long as there are NO BABIES

im not trying to insult you, you have every right to think incest is evil if you want to, and saying you dont have a right to your opinion would be entirly hypocritical

if you want to fuck her just talk to her about kissing. just say you have never been really kised before and you want to know how it feels. then she should start making out with you. if things go as planned you should be fucking all night.you're welcome.

i say fuck her. i wanna do the same with my cousin.. im 14 and shes 13.go for it.

Well I agree with Roomy. Inbreeding is even in the Bible. God made Adam and Eve first. They had kids. The only way for Adam's kids to reproduce is to INBREED. Its all in the Book of Genesis. Stargirl, you really need to shut the hell up because in all your comments you never reall know what you're talking about.