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I don't recognize sex changes
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To be clear, I do not view people who had a sex change as any worse than any other person. However, in my mind, I do not recognize their sex change, and will continue to view them as the sex of their birth. No, I do not care if they have traits of the opposite gender or whatnot. In my eyes, sex changes are no more valid than those therian furries with species dysphoria, and I think it is ridiculous how I have to recognize it. To me, Chaz Bono is still a female and always will be.

I don't have any problem with people having exaggerated traits of the opposite sex. I don't care if a man decides to dress up and act as a woman, or vice versa. To each his or her own. However, when it comes to sex changes, I find acknowledging such modifications as ridiculous as a black African calling himself Caucasian after bleaching his/her skin.

I do agree that it is wrong to mock and deride people for feeling that way or having personality traits that do not conform to traditional views of sex. If a man feels like he wants to wear a dress and high heels and watch shows for women, he should be allowed to. I don't think we should need to conform to the "rules" that tradition had laid out for females or males. I also think that people should be allowed to cross-dress without being discriminated. However, I view the desire to change sex on par with the desire to change species: Just like I'd call a human who thinks he's a fox a human, I'll still call a female who thinks she's a male a female.

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thr
I think it is normal to have the opinion that sex/gender is determined by genitals. You do, however, seem more contemplative and tolerant than what I would associate with that opinion.

I disagree, and I have a couple of comments.

I think it is important to make a distinction between physiological sex and gender identity. Sex is determined by your genitals or your having a y chromosome, while gender identity is what you feel like on the inside.
While it, for some, may not be important or noticeable, I believe there is some innate predisposition for identifying as a boy or a girl, as well as acquiring masculine or feminine personality traits.

For transgender people, their gender identity doesn't fit their sex. In my view, respecting who they are on the inside is a good reason for viewing them as belonging to the gender they feel like.

I am not speaking on behalf of any transgender people, but from my understanding, transgender people don't act like the opposite sex, and their behaviour is not a case of cross dressing.
To me, it is quite clear that people who take hormones and have breast and sexual reassignment surgery done, are not just playing dress-up.

You may feel like, you're opinion is not that offensive, but you first paragraph is pretty much saying: "I don't care what you feel like, I'm not going to respect what you feel is your gender".
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thr
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I would like to make one thing more clear, because it was not articulated well.

When I write "it [...] may not be important or noticeable [for some]", what I mean by that is that some people may not have a strong feeling of belonging to one gender, and may think that it wouldn't bother them much if they had to live a body of the opposite sex.
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That's why I said "sex" and not "gender". Sex is biological, while gender usually refers to the social characteristics associated with sex. It's about the same as being white and European culture: Not all whites have to conform to European culture, and not all who conform to European culture are white. I realize that there's a difference between being "male/female" and being "masculine/feminine". If a male wants to be completely feminine or vice versa, he or she can be my guest. I have many feminine traits myself, but that doesn't make me any less of a male.

As for how they are not just playing dress-up, neither are the therian furries (again not all furries are therians). Some actually believe they were born in the wrong species.

I'm not saying that I will not respect that a woman is masculine or that a man is feminine, but that doesn't make them any less of a female or a male respectively.
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thr
I agree that people have chromosomes they were born with. It seems, that you are not just discussing technicalities, but words that tell of how you view things.
In this context I would use the terms man and woman to refer to people who feel like / are trying to live like a man or woman, respectively. I know this smells of circular definition, but I hope you get what I mean.

I would like to have a view of a transgender person, that fits their gender identity. That means that if someone feels like a woman, I would, e.g., use female pronouns to refer to that person.
Being born with the wrong sex seems to be enough trouble, and I think transgender people would generally dislike being called male/female, if they feel like the opposite.

If you make a distinction between transsexual and transgender, which causes some problem with any of my arguments, feel free to comment on it. I use the term to refer to someone who feels their sex does not match their gender identity.

If the first sentence in your comment is referring to the last sentence in mine, then replace 'gender' with 'gender identity'. Or change it to "[...] respect that you feel like a woman/man".

I'll admit that I don't know much about therian furries, and, thus, I don't know if what I say about transgender people applies to them or not.
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@: thr
I agree completely. Well put.
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@: thr
Also, when I said "I don't think we should need to conform to the "rules" that tradition had laid out for females or males", I mean that people should not be forced to conform to gender roles or stereotypes, anymore than an ethnic has to be forced to conform to their associated cultural stereotypes.
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Not normal. Bigoted and ignorant.
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I disagree. Lots of people are bigoted and ignorant.
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Have a non-mainstream opinion = ignorant
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I think it's weird that we can easily ask if a dog is boy or girl and say he or she, but when a human wants you to say something else that it's suddenly too hard.
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It's just something you can't understand and it scares you. You're thinking "If this person was born a male or female, why wouldn't he/she be happy with his/her sex and stay the sex that he/she was born as? Why would this person go against what nature intended and try being what he/she clearly isn't?". That's it, isn't it, OP? It's normal to fear what's out of one's norm. But please try understanding how Male-to-Female and Female-To-Male Transgenders feel. If they're happy to become the gender that they feel that they are inside, then can't that be enough to make you happy too? You don't have to like them or even care about them but you could atleast try to accept their choice.
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I never said I feared them. By the way I said "transsexual" and not "transgender".
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"I'll still call a female who thinks she's a male a female."

Then that makes you an asshole. I don't care what your views are, that's one thing, but deliberately misgendering someone because you can't accept them is just a pure asshole-ish thing to do. I imagine trans people go through enough shit without people like you making their lives worse because, whoop de doo, it's so fucking difficult to just use their preferred pronouns.
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Oh I'm not going to tell it in his/her face or berate him/her with it. That would be like an Atheist saying "God doesn't exist" in a devout Christian's face. But I'm not going to say to a transman that "You're one sexy male". I'll say "You're sexy".
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K. As long as you don't deliberately misgender someone, then your views are your views. Not that I like them but meh.

Bit late replying, aren't you?
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I agree. I don't see how it could have any bearing in reality if somebody thinks they are the opposite sex.
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As a fur-soul, I'm offended by all you speciesists -Mrow- (=^ v ^=)
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IoncecamesohardIdied
I guess you have never seen the movie "the crying game" lol.
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