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What a bunch of fools.

They plan out their entire lives, according to rules set by a kooky, ancient book of mythos.

And hey, dontcha just love how they ever-so-conveniently excuse themselves from providing proof, by using crutches like "faith".

Sorry, but just because you believe something, that doesn't make it true.

Moses turned the sea into blood... and then later, parted it?

Yeah... and sweat socks fly south for the winter.

Ask yourself... "If somebody told me such an event had taken place TODAY, would I believe it?". No? Point proven.

Ignorance is a scary thing.
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I don't mind some Christians. The ones who blindly follow their religion and take everything in the bible literally are the ones who piss me off. I was reading a Christian movie review site, and I was getting livid at their review for "Ponyo" (you know, the Studio Ghibli film about the fish girl?) Anyway they were giving it a horrible review because of "magic". OH TEH NOES! Oh, and they said it was evil because it supported the theory of evolution. Those christians are the ones I hate. I applaud the Christians that don't use their religion to try to "convert" others. They are involved with religion cause it makes them feel more peaceful, and they don't feel like every single person needs to be Christian to be happy.
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Not to mention that this book doesnt really back its claim of this with anything whatsoever.

The major reason people tried to believe this was its threat "if you dont believe this crap then youll burn in hell forever".
Which off course was a message that was ment to come from a "good" god.
How dumb is that?
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Ah religion, starting wars everywhere.
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Bob,
judging from the timescales the sun works in, and in the certainty it has been shining for immense amounts of time.
Including all the fossil records we find all over the planet, showing the evolution of species, it is impossible to deny that life on planet Earth has been evolving for hundreds of millions of years.

Knowing so, and then picking up a book which claims the opposite(the bible),
makes every intelligent person take the idea of the book out of the question.

Thats not due to ignorance but to intelligence and knowledge.
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Though not a Christian myself, I don't understand hating them. For the vast majority of Christians, the belief is a comfort as it makes them feel as though they are a part of something bigger than themselves and gives meaning to their lives. Even if I consider their beliefs to be absurd, if it's something they practise privately, it does not directly impact on my life and it doesn't harm others I don't mind what religion people are. What I object to is Christians who think that their beliefs should shape the laws and customs of the countries they reside in, and intefere with the lives of people who don't agree with their beliefs, but as I said, I don't believe that this is what most Christians are like, I think it's just the backwards ones that have the loudest voices.
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The sun is slowly converting its hydrogen into helium.
It will take 4 BILLION years for it to finish its fuel.
The immense timescales the sun works in makes 4000 years the equivalent of a fraction of a second.
And therefore the probability of it starting to shine just 4000 years ago, having 4 billion years to go is extremely slim.

"All your doing is following things other people have said. You have absolutly no proof of any of this; the same way no one can prove Christianity or other religions are true."

Sure, all of human civilization might as well be a gargantuous hoax where everything we think we know is just a lie made up by one guy or another.
The fossil records were never there, their existence were just made up by some anti-religous guys.
And C14 dating doesnt really work and everybody that has tested it(large number of universities) has joined the mega-conspiracy circle enveloping the planet making sure we science guys continue to be in the dark.
Sure, it might be the case.. sure.

The way i believe the fossil record is there is not the same as the way religious people believe the bible.
For the fossil records not to have been there requires a conspiracy against every thinking human being on the planet at such an immense scale and with such an immense incentive for anyone realising its fakeness to blow it away that it would never work.

I havent chosen to believe anything.
I come to conclusions basing it on what makes sense.
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@: Mimir2
I am in agreement with you generally, although i have found that there is NO ablsolute position i can support. Just FYI C-14 dating is useless for abiotic substances, like rock and minerals. C-14 decays musch to quickly and so anything older than 14,000 years is too old to date with it. It is best or dating bone,or wood chips and organic material like that. It IS possible to date inorganics using the known decay rate of UNRANIUM isotopes all mineral contain,234U/238U which decays over millions of years. Some fanatical apologists for magical belief systems that deny epirical facts, KNOW THIS, and will try to discredit your whole argument by pointing this out. Now your ready for them : )
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I don't hate Christians.
I hate their religion. It is normal.
As far as I can tell, what we call "god" is a sadistic being fabricated from lies, false hope, and dependence.
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Yeah, ignorance is scary, especially coming from you. I see the way you write, as if you were some kind of person gifted with superior intelligence. Guess what asshole, your not. First of all, it was "faith" that brought your ancestors to this continent, so appreciate it. Furthermore, if your ignorant self knew anything about science you would certainly have to wonder about the idea of a superior being. But hey, keep thinking you know things you don't, it's only typical from people like you.
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@: Gutear
Isn't it religious people who claim to know things that they don't?
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I am amazed at the sheer length of this post. And I've noticed that a healthy portion of people on here are Christians wanting to tear down our lack of religion, or just trolling. Why? Christians, everyone needs a place to vent. Atheists too. Christians have a church. Atheists have... Well... The Internet. There are several places for Christians to gather where it is socially acceptable, but if you try to have an atheist party or something, you're looked down upon. Another fine example of the hypocrisy of this nation. God(if he existed) was an atheist, and everyone LOVES him, but when I follow in the Lord's footsteps as am atheist, I am persecuted for being a nonbeliever. Christians, just go away. All of these wars are being fought about religion, to some extent. You're ruining countless lives and families, all to fight to find out who has the better imaginary friend. Pathetic. *spits* Any diehard Christian should be ashamed, and get the Hell(no pun intended) away from us. Thank GOD I'm an Atheist. Jesus IS Santa claus for adults, and God is Just as fake. Have gun wasting so much time and energy over a false god. Cheers.

Sincerly,
The Theoretical Atheist
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A bad experience with religion does not dismiss God. I'm a Deist and I don't believe in any religion whatsoever, but I still believe in Dog. That's right, Dog.
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We can`t go away God has burdened our heart with a mission and that mission is to bring people to God, build them up in their faith, and send them out to be misionaries in their spheres of influence.
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It is right to hate religion of all kinds. Religion holds humanity backwards and keeps us on a path of ignorance and decay.

Religion keeps sexist and racist views in beaded in society.

Religion must be destroyed.

As Great Helmsman Chairman Mao Zedong said "religion is poison"
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Yes and i pointed out, right after using it, that it was entirely false.

That even if they do believe in the same thing, that alone would never make them right.
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Dr. Schambaugh, of the University of Oklahoma School of Chemical Engineering, Final Exam for May of 1997 consisted of only one question. Dr. Schambaugh is known for asking questions such as, %%u2018%%u2019Why do airplanes fly?%%u2019%%u2019 on his final exams. His one and only final exam question in May 1997 for his Momentum, Heat and Mass Transfer II class was:

%%u2018%%u2019Is hell exothermic or endothermic? Support your answer with proof.%%u2019%%u2019

Most of the students wrote proofs of their beliefs using Boyle%%u2019s Law or some variant. One student, however, wrote the following:

"First, we postulate that if souls exist, then they must have some mass. If they do, then a mole of souls can also have a mass. So, at what rate are souls moving into hell and at what rate are souls leaving? I think we can safely assume that once a soul gets to hell, it will not leave. Therefore, no souls are leaving. As for souls entering hell, let us look at the different religions that exist in the world today. Some of these religions state that if you are not a member of their religion, then you will go to hell. Since there are more than one of these religions and people do not belong to more than one religion, we can project that all people and souls go to hell. With birth and death rates as they are, we can expect the number of souls in hell to increase exponentially. Now, we look at the rate of change in volume in hell. Boyle%%u2019s law states that in order for the temperature and pressure in hell to stay the same, the ratio of the mass of souls and volume needs to stay constant. Two options exist:

1. If hell is expanding at a slower rate than the rate at which souls enter hell, then the temperature and pressure in hell will increase until all hell breaks loose.
2. If hell is expanding at a rate faster than the increase of souls in hell, then the temperature and pressure will drop until hell freezes over. So which is it? If we accept the quote given to me by Theresa Manyan during Freshman year, %%u2018%%u2019that it will be a cold night in hell before I sleep with you%%u2019%%u2019 and take into account the fact that I still have NOT succeeded in having sexual relations with her, then Option 2 cannot be true. Thus, hell is exothermic."

The student, Tim Graham, got the only A.
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i'm agnostic. i completely agree with you, except for the part of actually hating Christians. If you hate Christians, then you should hate Muslims, Atheists, Jews, Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormons, Hindus, Buddhists, and every other religion. They all believe in things that they have little to know proof about. I put Atheists in there because for all you know, nothing is real and your next door neighbor made it up. That would make him God. You don't know. You just can't know. (Chances are, that's not true, but I'm just making a point.)

I don't hate any people who practice a religion. They have a belief and an opinion, and the way I say it, either only one belief is right, no belief is right, all beliefs are right, or some beliefs are right. So, meh. I'll just live my life to the fullest. Until I see God come down from the sky and tell me who's right, I'm not gonna worry too much about it.
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Atheism is simply not believing in a god, its not a religion
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By the way anyone else notice that religion is a deal breaker? Most fights are started because of religion.
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What I dont get is how each religion claims to the one thats true!!
I really believe that religious faith requires a certain level of stupidity. How do you know that yours is true and that theirs isnt??
The whole thing is a load of brainwashing bollocks. Christianity and Islam are nothing more than massive cults. They are also responsible for many of the worlds terrible problems.
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I totally agree!
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No one suggested that that George Washington walked on water! If they told me he could turn water into wine i'd start to wonder if they were pulling my leg. I don't doubt there was a man called Jesus who was incredibly helpful and selfless and helped many people by showing them a kinder way to live, but that's it. A nice man, good intentions, unfortunate ending. Son of God? Less likely.
Finding such things proves that people wrote about it a long time ago, not that it happened. People write about dinosaurs, we know they exsisted through finding fossils. People write about the world wars, there are camps still standing that we can visit. Show me the site of a miracle and the evidence that suggests it happened there and I will understand your belief more fully.
And I'm glad to hear that because I don't like being mean, just get riled up by this topic.
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Anonymousness
Well, I have to say that not all atheists believe that Earth just "exploded into existence." To be honest, I think atheism is more about what didn't happen than what did.
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For these reasons alongside hundreds more, I find the Christian worldview distasteful and the precepts of the religion likely false. I cannot disprove the existence of god, but that's fine, since the burden of proof is always on the claimant, and they have nothing on their side. Not one proven miracle. Not one shred of evidence. They ask you to abandon the requirement of proof and "Just go with us on this". All faith is blind. They evade questions, and when pinned down, abandon logic entirely, hiding behind "mysterious ways" and "the inability of humanity to comprehend the situation". In short, they say "I don't NEED to make sense if I don't want to." When I witness the evil acts commited and the righteous actions omitted by a cult that claims moral superiority over me, I am inflamed with rage. That doesn't mean you should hate Christians, since many of them are not really Christians (As i've demonstrated above). They are merely normal people who have accepted what the world has told them, blithely comfortable in the privilege of their entrenched political power and vast social and monetary wealth. They really don't know any better, and should not be hated or even ridiculed - those treatments should be directed only at the beliefs they hold. Keep in mind that Atheists are the most hated and distrusted minority in America today - beyond even homosexuals and muslims. Open your eyes, and they will be shut for you. The world is afraid.
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that seems to be the most logical post in the whole thing. science is open to change by its very definition while most religon is not by it's nature of following unalianable "truths" from things like the bible.
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I am not saying there is no higher power, absolutely not.

Im just saying we shouldnt be listening to bullshit like much of the bible.
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@: Mimir2
well there certainly is a higher power because science cannot provide an answer as to how everything originated. the laws of thermodynamics prove that matter can neither be created or destroyed, and that chaos cannot become order. meaning that by our laws of science the only logical explanation is that something that was able to work outside of our laws and reality had to have caused our existence. if someone has anything to disprove this please share. as always, in search of knowledge and not a raving lunatic who will shout condemnations at me for not holding the same beliefs as him/her.
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Well, in the big bang, energy was not created, just displaced over a wide area. That fits perfectly withing the laws of thermodynamics and physics.
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I always have catholics knocking at my door asking about when i go to church or reciting things , yes its annoying but they dont mean to be! (or so they say...) I'm not gonna judge you on what you think and also some christians cant stand other religions thats just as bad!!!
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i find it weird that people treat atheism like a religion...its not a religion. its just a term.
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having faith in something (real or not) is a personal thing, to hate someone for believing in god would be like hating a child for believing in santa.

however, just because someone beleives in god does not mean they have a right to look down or curse those of use who dont.
and just a reminder to this type of christian, the bible was written by man, not by god or his son. as far as you know, they created a completely fictious story just to sell for some bread or magic beans.
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Argument from ignorance

The argument is "You can't disprove God's existence, so he must exist." This is faulty logic. By the same logic, you cannot disprove the existence of a spaghetti monster, or a magic teacup, floating around in space somewhere either, so they must also exist. We also cannot prove or disprove intelligent life exists on other planets, so does that prove that there is intelligent life? We cannot make that statement because we are unable to check every planet in the universe for intelligent life. (Aliens may be more believable than supernatural assertions of the Bible, because aliens life forms may not require a violation of the laws of the universe unlike the Bible miracles.) Our ignorance does not make a claim true or false.

Burden-of-proof fallacy

The burden-of-proof fallacy occurs when someone attempts to switch the burden of proof to the wrong side. The burden of proof lies with the person making the claim, not the person questioning the claim. The believer is making the assertion "God exists." Therefore he or she has the duty to provide evidence. The one making the claim has to prove it. The atheist is not making a claim, but is only concluding, "No evidence has been presented to prove the existence of a God; therefore, I do not believe there is a God. If at any time, a God suddenly appears, or we receive new real evidence, I will change my opinion." No evidence, no reason to believe.
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Off course we know that god did not just put Adam and Eve on the ground out of nowhere fully created.

We do know that.

All the fossil records prove it, and so does the age of the sun and the information we pass down to our children and how we are ripe to evolve and are doing so as we have different characteristics and they are inherited down to our children. Meaning the characterstics of us as a species is changing infront of our very eyes. And judgingt from the age of this world there is room for virtually infinite evolution, both in our past and into our future.

But off course if you just say "No".
Then there wont be much in the way of discussion, but thats not because of lack of evidence or ability to rule out suggestions how everything came about but rather due to unwillingness to discuss the issue and use our god given brains.
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Well after stubling across this site and reading some very amusing comments, I had to add my own.

Someone was talking trash to cockcrazygirl being serious but spelled her name with an asterisk...like if they say the word "cock", god will send them to hell.

I was born and raised having to go to church, but as I gained intelligence and experience in the world, I had the "Santa Claus Effect" and realized God is a myth derived from a book used to control people.

Most of the people I meet who call themselves christians try to force it on me, and get extremely mad if you dont believe the same as them...then they say you will burn in hell for not being like them. One common characteristic of these people as they all have challenges that rather than face and deal with, they crawl underneath the religion blanket and give up.

Most of them drink and fornicate as much as I, but feel that Sunday will get them off the hook.

I really do feel sorry for christians and other religious types because they are placing a bet that this is for real and the wager is their life.
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I'm siding with whoever wrote this. I don't "hate" Christians, but they can be very irritating sometimes. Spouting nonsensical messages like "Blasphemer! You will burn and suffer in Hell if you don't repent and accept Jesus!" when their religion is criticized. It makes me want to slap them.
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All I can say is, I pity you.
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Thanks (amberinboston) finally a person that doesnt believe but still has good morals. You Can be and do what you want But people should be respected. Thank you...a level headed person.
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It's not even a matter of god or no god. it's a matter of a group of religions dictating to a group of NON-religious who DO NOT share the same views or beliefs. why is it O.K. for a religion to tell me what to do based on some book and beliefs i want nothing to do with, and don't give me your noble morels B.S. I've got my own and they don't include hatred , oppression and intolerance I.E.
christians who's "don't do as I do, do as I ..." oops! I mean "as god tells you to do" attitude makes me sick and are the reason I will always reject organized religions. Spirituality and religion are not the same.
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Kay.

I wish I could say the Bible was a nice story, but it's full of brutallity, about a God people worship, even though he made people kill eachother to prove they loved him.

I wish I could say it was factual, at all, but there are too many unbelievale incidents in there, and besides, it contradicts itself way too often, which goes against it, since the ible is s'posed to be the word of God, and God makes no errors, so if God were to make errors, (which he does, I can point out at least one error on every page), then it would copmpletely defy the actuallity of God.

I wish I could say the Bible has helped to make people better people, by helping them follow rules so's they'll not hurt one-another... But, let's take a look at wars, Catholic priests and little boys, and of course, serial killers. What a coincidence that I found this page today, I'd just been reading up on serial killers, and I dound that near all of them were either in the belief they were obeying orders from God, or being controlled by demons. Now, I'll give an example. Fish, a cannibalistic child killer announced that he knew what he was doing wasnt wrong because otherwise an angel would've stopped him. Gein, the killer who inspired the characters Buffalo Bill, Norman Bates and Leatherface, was heavily influenced by the Bible and his mothers continuous ranting.

No, I'm not saying every evil is commited by God-believers, but I'm just pointing out that your ideas that the Bible makes you better people is bullshit.

And nor am I saying that there isn't a God. I believe there isn't, that doesnt mean there isn't. I'm just giving a few reasons as to why I do not believe, and why I wouldn't believe even if I saw any logic in the idea.

And also, I have not a problem with Christians, or people of any religion, until they get to this idea that 'Evolution is bs, Athiests are stupid and evil and will burn in hell, my belief is right, and no, I don't need proof, even though you do, because I have faith'.

I must admit, no one, not even myself can argue for or against religion without contradiction.

And I don't really believe in evolution either, though I understand it better than I do Christianity.

In fact, I'm a fallibilist. Athiesm isn't the belief in nothing, fallibilism is. Research it.

Xx, Ferret



P.s lol at above fight over who's IQ is higher. Mine's 187, think I win.

And, I leave with you a hilarious link to some truley ignorant Christians. No offense to those with brains, I'm sure you'll feel rather ashamed you share the same religion as these idiots.


http://bloggasm.com/hilarious-quotes-from-fundamentalist-christian-chat-rooms
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I'm a christian (NOT BY CHOICE) and i know exactly where your coming from it's whole bunch of dumb made up bullshit!
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guys, explain yourselves better.

When you mean god as in by the bible, say so.
Say the bible god.
When you mean god as in by the koran, say the koran god.

John Doe, what excactly is it that those 2 billion people are claiming or believing?
We are quite unsure of what you are trying to say.

Callo, you have hereby entered a logic where you are checking which religion is most popular and assuming the winner in that determines who is right.
Do you realise what a pile of crap such a claim is?
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@: Mimir2
"When you mean god as in by the bible, say so.
Say the bible god.
When you mean god as in by the koran, say the koran god."


you sound stupid. the "bible god" and the "koran god" are the exact same thing.
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Using that logic:
2 billion believe.
4 billion dont.
=> believers loose and god ceases to exist.

But off course this logic is false, for what people believe does not change the laws of the universe, or god for that matter.

And besides, christian believers are nowhere near 2 billion.
On the surface, sure, but if you start talking to a random selection of people labelled as christians youll find that so many of them dont believe that stuff at all.
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I actually completely agree with Bob. No one really knows the truth, and even though faith is relevent, we still can't prove which religion is the "true" one.

Mimir2, arguing with devout Christians - that their religion is fake - is pointless. Same as trying to force your beliefs onto someone else. Instead, we should be trying to put our beliefs aside and attempt to unite as a community, society and world.
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bah humbug
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it's one thing to hate or dislike the christian religion, lots of people do, and that's ok. but to hate christians themselves? that's different. not all christians are the same.
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first post ever, just adding my two-cents worth:
all of the arguments against god (and no, i will not capitalize that word) are pretty much infallible. normally i stay out of the way of religious arguments, but this one really caught my eye, mostly due to an amusing fact.

when the religious posters realised their arguments weren't winning, they began to complain about how we wouldn't leave them alone.
well, then. let's go back a few centuries, shall we? back to a time when christians raped, pillaged and destroyed nations of people who didn't believe in god. how can you say people are persecuting you after the perverse things you have inflicted upon the rest of the world. it sickens me.
and yes, religion is the root of almost every war, aside from personal gain, which is tied into religion anyway. is it not personal gain upon which the whole worship god or go to hell idea is based upon anyway?
this point cannot be argued against, and do you know why? you're a human being, personal gain is imprinted into your very nature, each of the alleles that make up your genetic code.
thanks for listening to my rant. Vraid out:D
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As we see here, this one particular story has attracted sooo many posts because of the highly controversial topic of religion. Most wars have started because of religion and people feel justified to kill in the name of it. We can see for example in this thread. So much hate and bickering over such an overated topic. Why do people get so emotional about it?? I think religion is harmful. I used to be mormon... Ohhhhh the stories I could tell. Come over to my house for coffee..
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Probably best not to hate them, but they are illogical as hell. (No pun intended)
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what is your definition of God?
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I myself just commented on 'I hate muslims' and i would like to say that while you dont agree with them there is no need to interfere with the faith that they hold in their hearts. People have a right to believe. Just stay away from relihious conversations(its what i do).
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@: Leila
i hate jews(male's)... i wish they would jump from an aby (exept female's) :P
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I'm an athiest. And while I strongly disagree with Christianity and dislike hearing ignorant comments such as, "God put dinosaur bones on Earth! If you test faith it gets stronger!" I can't say they don't have a right to believe so. It's their opnion.

Although I must agree with winterfresh(21111), religion is the cause of much violence. It's really an unnessecary hassle. I believe that religion is a way for some people to cope with the hardships of life. Of course, life can be hard, but everyone must suffer and it's really a matter of if you can take it or not.
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cassie_07
well then u hate half of the world!
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Lol before i thought it was "hate xmas" and i do cuz im the f*@king grinch lol but when it comes about christians... I dont hate them, but think relligions only give problems to the world, think it this way, see hoy everyone is trying to defend what they believe in this thread, is a REALLY LONG thread, and they NEVER will agree. If we were doing this in the real life, we would have or had a war for sure... Well that actually happens a lot, and just why? For sfupid beliefs that their religion is the only one and bla bla... Seriously thats stupid to me, if they really believe in bible teachings the only thing we all to know is LOVE EACH OTHER.. Make peace not war.... Thats my hunble opinion...
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I am in 99.99%% agreement with the faithful here.

The faithful believe in their god, and don't believe in the other, say, 9,999 gods fabricated by different human cultures over time.

I do not believe in 10,000 gods, the faithful don't believe in 9,999 gods.

Yet they argue with me. Odd
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A nice and original quote:

"He died for our sins."

It's to inspire us to do good, not literally taking our sins off and u can run clean.

So get this thru your thick heads you conformist christians. You people soiled the good nature of Christianity by not understanding your own religion and claiming it's the best and most truthful one because of your numbers. Get this, if everyone around you jumps off the building would you? It's time to shed off your mask of fear and insecurity and embrace the reasoning, a true gift of HUMAN from GOD.
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Hey girl, i totally agree with you!!! People are afraid and want somthing to hold on, no problem, but its insane to really believe in it, and i think they're cowards. They don't take their own responsebilities cause it's " God's" will , yeah right...
They should know better.,,,,,
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it seems i have confused lotsofjunk for undefined. now i will argue against undefined.
thermodynamics is a LAW because NOTHING can work outside of it. many theists disagree, because they say god is omnipotent AND omniscient. well, i can already tell the people who invented this only had half a brain.
you see, for a being to be both omnipotent and omniscient is contradictory. it is a fallacy. it is a paradox, all in itself.
lets assume god is both omnipotent and omniscient. now, lets say that because hes omniscient, he knows exactly how hes going to intervene to change the world into its final stage using his omnipotence. but wouldn't that mean god is unable to change the "future", which he FORSAW using his omniscience? in other words, he can't change his own actions? wouldn't that mean he's NOT omnipotent? so, what if he COULD change the "future" he forsaw. wouldn't that mean what he forsaw earlier was invalid, and therefore proving hes not omniscient.
in this sense, "god" can only be omniscient OR omnipotent. however, a being with only ONE of these qualities isn't even defined as a "god". so you are left with two options.
option one, assuming god is only omnipotent. This would mean he created everything, but has morals as valid as you or me. he cannot see the future, nor predict what we will do. he cannot see every little dark thought we have. this means, he has no control over us. if he did, we are just dolls, without a choice. so why not just go kill yourself now?
now, option two, assuming god is omniscient. this is even worse. this would mean he did not create the universe, and cannot defy laws of gravity, thermodynamics, and etc. in this sense, he wouldn't even be omniscient, since it goes against science and the laws. this would also mean he would have to be created AFTER the creation of the universe, which invalids his very creation, due to the laws.
so, since option 1 pretty much disables god's ability to direct the world or affect us with "faith", this either means god is waiting for a time to just come down and show his face, and admit he can't know a thing.
or, he created the universe and retired after that, just existing without a goal or point, all the way through eternity.
or, there is no god, and all this is talk about the almighty is bullshit.
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Oh, fuck all you Christians. You should have learned when you found out Santa Claus was a fraud. The Bible is fiction. God is dead. Science has actual fact to back it up, not "faith". Faith is nothing. So shut the fuck up and deal with it: we're alone in this world. The best we can do is to focus on the life we have left and enjoy it together.
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i'm not christian, but i dont hate them
i'm muslim
half of them hate muslims but i still dont hate them cuz in our islamic way we have to recpect other religions.
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Go back and read your Koran. It says the infidel, those that are not Muslim, must either convert, or die. Eventually, your Muslim extremist brothers will ask that you make that comittiment, as they do in the Middle East, and as they are beginning to require in Europe. First they "sell" the Muslim faith as non-threatening, allowing it spread as a "mainstream" religion. Then the radical follow-on comes, demanding the "holy" comittment in the name of Jihad. The Koran also says that it is O.K. to lie tothe infidel, in order to gain his trust as you wait for that day...
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im agnostic.. soo yea i think its totally normal to hate christians.. they always act like there soo much better then us just bc we have different beliefs than them..
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What we call "Science" is the collective body of observable, testable reality. Test tubes are not required. If you hit yourself hard with a rock, it hurts. Do it twice, and you've tested your results. It is now a (nearly) proven fact that hitting yourself with a rock "harms" you. True science NEVER says NEVER or ALWAYS. This is because Science changes when we learn more - it is not dogmatic. Science will admit when it's wrong (although imperfect human Scientists may not, and may be dogmatic about their own theories). When an individual with that rare and dangeous disease that suppresses the pain response hits himself with a rock, he feels no pain. The hypothesis that "rock hurt!" has been modified to "Rock almost always hurt most people!". Evolution is an observable, repeatable phenomena. It exists, and no one who understands the world will deny that. Whether humans were the product of evolution or not is not proven, but it's a little bit like finding a bicycle on the street and assuming it was put there by aliens, rather than left there by some kid. Could happen, I guess. One common misconception about evolution is the idea that we evolved from Monkeys. It's likely that humans and "monkeys" share a common ancestor, but all species extant today are living because they had traits that allowed them to survive. The world's biodiversity has room for both humans and monkeys (as long as we behave ourselves, which we're not).

Evolution is difficult to comprehend for one reason - it moves so slowly that we cannot live to see it do much more than create antibiotic-resistant bacteria and viruses, or change the color of a small insect. Perhaps more dramatically, we control the evolution of plants. This is the basis of farming and our continued existence on the planet. People think that the idea that lightning sparking off the chemical soup of our primordial era, generating amino acids and then building into single-celled life is unrealistic. And it is, if you only try it once. If you try it billions and billions and billions of times, it will work - it obviously did. Evolution is a little bit like the infinite monkey theory - except that when a monkey types a little, he gets to mate and teach his children how to type, and when one fails to type, he's eaten. It would hardly take infinity to get one of Shakespeare's works out of them. (Hopefully not one of the historicals, yech). Religious edicts banning various scientific activities and censuring or condeming to death individuals who chose to try to understand life despite persecution have held back our progress so effectively that it staggers the mind. Today's stem cells pale in comparison to the suppression of Copernicus and Galileo, or the doctors who were forbidden to ever cut into a corpse to learn what was inside and how to heal diseases in the living.
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thats stupid is it that you hate them or you afrade of them
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I'm an atheist as well, but you're certainly coming off as a jerk with your posts.
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O.K... I Belive in God & Jesus and the bible and i'm a bit offended by the fact tht u say ALL christians ar idiots AND W.E but its just what we believe ok? Discrimate Much? And do u have Any way to PROVE how the world was created?? Do u have any proof if whts in the bible ISN'T Real? I think NOt..And you all mite think i'm crazy but one day i was on the toilet and i said if God is real put a pink spot on that white towel on the rack and omg when I picked the towel up after i dried my skin i saw a pink spot! ITS TRUE!! and my gran saw Mary Mother of Jesus!
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i get the points of ppl like you but do you have to HATE christians (and apparently jews and muslims) they didnt harm you in any way by believing in the ancient religions of their ancestors. they dont think that all that stuff is fiction so let them believe what they want without ripping on them about it.
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What I find strange is the fact that you said there is no right or wrong. That has to be the most ignorant statement a man can make. By saying there is no right or wrong you instigate that truth does not exist, but if it does not exist then your statement is void. Strange isnt it?

You said "There is no proof to back up the claim that christianity exists." There is also no proof to back up the claim that it does not exist. All the things written in the bible have never been truthfully disproven. Yeah there are people who may say that they "Disprove" certain things but those who have done extensive research with this book have found no contradictions. If you want to believe something, then go for it but do not ever attempt to disprove something with false information. Moses didn't turn the Sea to blood. God turned the water in Egypt into blood. One of the most well known Bible revelations in the world and you couldn't properly quote it. You'll probably give me some disrespectful and unmeaningful reply so I accept that. But hear this, until you get your facts straight about the roots of christianity and the actual evidence vs. no evidence debate, and learn to communicate to others and present a plausible argument without slandering everything they believe in stop posting stuff like this on the internet. Its pointless, Its a waste of bandwidth and it doesn't help anyone except you so you can reassure yourself that you are indeed superior because you can see the faults in a world renowned religion that you obviously haven't researched enough to be attacking.

"Ignorance is a scary thing"

Well considering how angry you seem and how happy about 95%% of Christians seem I would say ignorance is bliss =)

On a final note Just because you dont believe something doesnt mean it isnt true. If you cant understand the complexity of my closing statement I apologize.
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oh, is that so? well guess what, we dont have to proof something DOESN'T exist. it's the way things work. it's like this: if i can't prove something is there, then i cannot argue its there. it doesn't mean its not there, but i have no right to argue that it is until i find proof.
speaking of the POSSIBILITY (based on how i said "if i can't prove something is there, then i cannot argue its there. it doesn't mean its not there"), that would also mean its possible for there to be a god called beerdick in the form of a huge dick. he made us by fertilizing the land with semen. you disagree? you say it's not possible? then you, my friend, just contradicted yourself. if you don't see how you've contradicted yourself, then i must say, i don't blame you for being religious. your iq is too fucking low for it.
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Organized religion is very messed up. I agree.
But many people are sincere in their beliefs and everyone should be respected for what they believe in.
Hate isnt cool
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And what would you replace religion with?

A "Do whatever feels good to you" mentality might Sound good, but when happens when everyone takes that mentality and then one of them decides that it would make them feel good to do You serious bodily harm?

Hey, I am religious, not near perfect. I don't cram my faith down people's throats, but when some people down religion because They don't care for it and start saying that it shouldn't be allowed...

Well, to each his own.

Tobra - IIN Diva
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id replace religion with SEX ha ha ha ha... :P
make love not religion...
(ok... i now its retarded...but you know what i mean...)
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I didnt say it shouldnt be allowed. Whatever makes you happy...the point was, religious people treat religion like it was the truth...and THERE IS NO PROOF. Not one iota of proof. and if it is not the truth, how can you base your life on a fairy tale?? IS there anything in the bible that has been proven? You might as well say that you strongly believe in Santa Claus or the easter bunny. It is EXACTLY the same thing.

Just because you need to believe in SOMETHING doesnt mean that the something has to be fairy tales. Religious people are the worst anyway: they are the biggest hypocrites, the most intolerant...i mean you know how religious people are said to be the ones who are supposed to love everyone and care for everyone and embrace others, yet they are always the ones being quick to judge someone as not worthy or beneath them because they are not in their religion. And it is always the god-less faithless people you claim have no morals, who are always the ones accepting someone despite their faith. And I do: as long as the other person keeps their faith to themselves or introduces me to it without the "holier than thou...let me save your soul" kind of attitude, I am fine. I have friends who are religious...
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I don't hate Christians any more than I hate anyone who believes in any religion. That being said, organized religion is the greatest poison in the history of humanity. Look at any almost any terrible act that people have committed against each other and you will find religion at its root.
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I totally agree, i feel that religion is for the weak minded. and as George Carlin said - Religion is bullsh1t.
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Much thanks to Mimir2 & helpline, for speaking logically.

@ callo: You're a complete idiot herd conformist. The popularity contest argument isn't worth the TP you wipe your bum with.

@ October/Tobra: How do you define "morality"? Good & bad are simply a matter of individual opinion. Usually, it works like this: "I don't like (insert whatever here), therefore it is bad" & "I like (insert whatever), therefore it is good".

What I am doing here is practicing my FREE SPEECH, just as those manipulative christians do, when they come to my door and attempt to convert me, and rarely take no for an answer, when I tell them I'm not interested in their abnormal beliefs. However, unlike those freaks, I don't go door-to-door and try to force THE TRUTH on them. Why does everyone think it's ok for them to behave in such a fashion, but if someone like myself posts something like this on the internet, everyone gets their panties bunched? Talk about a double standard. Geeesh.

I plan on calling the police on the next brood that shows up at my house. I'll have them charged with harassment.
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i'm christian. but i have friends who are atheist, agnostic, hindu, muslim... i think you get the point lol.
i think someone said it...i think mirmir (?)... but there are a lot of flaws within the christian community... one the whole unifying belief or what it is supposed to be is that one believes in God, in Jesus as the Son of God, that he was born of a virgin, and that He died to save us from our sins
but because of our want to make sense of something that we don't really understand or can not physically grasp and its use as a political platform, its changed tremendously from its origins... extra messed up. the people who come by your door are either Mormans or Jehovah's Witnesses...
and i admit it can get a little aggravating :)
but i just let them speak their heart
according to baptists, JWs are wrong because they think the trinity are completely separate beings (baptists think the trinity are different manifestations of God)... i was raised baptist
but i left my baptist church because of certain prejudices it carried
i'm non-denominational now and i look at the Bible as a way to live life... i still believe in what i believe
but people are open to their beliefs no matter what they may be
i don't think you should hate them for what they believe
if its because they pressure you just let them understand that its not for you
i was taught that people will come to Christ when they feel compelled to...it's not a thing that should be rushed or forced
i've told people if in the end my choice to believe in Christ wasn't the right belief then i'm okay wit that because i know what made me happy. :)
srry for the novel
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I believe a lot of people feel the same way you do, but unless they are forcing christian beliefs on you then you don't really have any right to hate them. I personally dislike the religion, but if someone wants to believe in some supreme being in control of the universe its probably because they are scared of whats after death. and you can't blame them, it is in our nature to be afraid of the unknown. You can dislike Christianity, or even Christians themselves, but it doesn't give you the right to be ignorant.
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as a fellow atheist, i have to respectfully disagree. they are doing more harm than you think. read over the arguements i placed on this page and the link i gave on the previous arguement. there i fully explain how the existance of religion directly impacts atheist right.
here's a piece i have not said before:
i believe religion is holding back the developement of human civilization. as long as man choose to believe in such ridiculous theories of creation, we will never be able to advance into the next era. if we are to explore space, find out how the universe is created, find out all the secrets of this universe, we have to put behind us the religious dogma man has created. religion is like a handicap, preventing us from seeking truth about the universe. many theists would not even consider spending money on research on how the universe was created if it relates to science. you see how this affects us to find the truth? im sure there are die-hard theists out there who will do anything to prevent their god from being disproven, even if they know "god" doesn't exist. "god" is a boulder tied to our feet, and science is the scythe to release it. until religion is left behind us, we will never be able to take the great leap foward.
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ugh. I dont really beleive in that stuff either but you dont have to offend everyone who does! It just makes violence. Everybody has a right to beleive in what they want to.
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I get where you are coming from.. with the not judging thing but I personally believe that people only learn not to discriminate when they finally get a taste of their own medicine.
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You may not believe in it, or think it's stupid, but you shouldn't say that you "hate christians." You go to your heaven and they'll go to theirs. Maybe God doesn't show many miracles anymore because the number of believers is fading. Anyway, if you really hate christians you have some anger issues. If you think that christians are abysmally stupid about their *beliefs* think about the person believing these beliefs, not the beliefs. I admit some of things in the bible, and when I say some I mean two or three, are far fetched, but that doesn't mean the whole thing is a "kooky, ancient book." But the sweat socks comment was funny. Not the Moses part though. But I was kind of pouting when they made it the Egyptians that were bad.
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I see many sites about Christians and Atheists battling out truth, insults and mean words from both sides. Truth to one is a lie to another. If my truth can become your lie how can we any of us know truth?

I have heard an Atheist scientist say this is fact and a scientist who is a Christian say that is a lie. So how can a person who has not fully studied the subject of evolution and creation say this is what I believe to be true if the so-called experts call each other liars? If one even goes so far in study to become an expert what good is that for they see what they want.

What is truth?

A truth should unite and not divide. All divisive statements which cast doubt on someone%%u2019s right to truth is a lie and all statements that unite one to another is truth. In its simplest form love is truth and hate is a lie. But a person without love can easily understand this to be false for they have no foundation to comprehend the meaning. So even here some will believe that love is false and hate is truth.

Is truth comprehension? I think therefore I know truth. How shallow is that! Billions of truths walking the earth saying this is what is because I know it. Some rising above the others in leadership of large groups, do many people banded together make truth, many people listening to Billy Graham or the many listening to Adolph Hitler each with their own truth? No, the masses do not know truth. The variables of one apply to the many.
%%u201CBeauty is only skin deep,%%u201D and so it is with truth. You can believe in a higher truth than humanity possesses who is God. Or you can believe in carbon dating and other facts of science. Both speak of the authority of their truth that makes it of greater value. That failing they move onto emotions and the one who yells the loudest has the greatest truth?

It has been said, %%u201CThere is no meaning to be found in the world beyond what meaning we give to it.%%u201D Is truth simply what we make it to be? The greater truths are known by the amount of feeling attached to them? Is truth not a fact but an emotion like love or hate? Is truth something to be felt and never known? Judging by the content of this and many others posts I would say, Yes%%u201D. But of course anyone who is can say to me, %%u201CNo.%%u201D
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you should be either an motivational speaker, a priest, a preacher, or jst a wize old man! i really wana meet u man lol! u sound so full of wisdom
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probobly a motvational speaker with facts and proof
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Ignoramus.
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I agree with you partially.
i dont HATE christians. hate is a very strong word.
I think christian (and all religion) is a very misguided path of life.

There are only 2 major problems i have with religion.

Muslims scare me. i don hate them - but they do frighten me.

I FUCKING HATE CATHOLOCISM.
Bunch of fucking bastards.

(btw i live in ireland, so i know more about catholocism then most of you. i have been bought up with that evil way of life.)
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I'm agnostic which means I'm not an Atheist and I'm not a Christian I'm sorta in between. I believe in what Jesus believed in like be kind to your neighbor, have manners and everything else, but when like Jesus turned water into wine, nah that is crap and shit. That's false, and I can't believe people waste 6 hours of their sunday just to hear shit from a book that was written by munks. People shouldn't base their life around stuff like that I mean COME ON IT'S THE 21ST CENTURY!
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violent10dency
I think Muslims are far more "out there" then christians or jews, but that's just my opinion though.

Actually since you mention Moses I am taking an Ancient Civilization class in college right now and it's funny because we were talking about this great tidal wave that wiped out the island of Crete suppossedly and the teacher mentioned some people believe this is when Moses and the chosen people crossed the sea.

I really don't know what to believe but historically the Bible is pretty accurate. I know Hebrews mostly wrote the Bible, but faith is not just something that can be taken for granted, it is as real as love or hate.
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Budthewise
When I have time, I will write on this one but not yet. I need to think about what to write first. I could be like a few others and make a mess but I want to do something needed and add intelligent thinking here.
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It's a statistical fact that the dumber you are the more religious you are.

http://hypnosis.home.netcom.com/iq_vs_religiosity.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religiosity_and_intelligence

The majority of humans inhabiting the Earth are Christians that have a 100 or lower IQ.
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i have many atheist friends, and i am a christian. we do discuss our religious beliefs but we do it in a respectful manner and thats fine. i am very educated and i believe, but who cares? the only person that should worry about someones belief in God is theirself. you dont have to understand it...thats fine. i once was asked How does it make me feel that i would have to tell my dughter that she believes in an imginary friend..it was rude and thier wasnt any need for the comment. found it ignorant.
my point is...i am a christian and i believe and you are not but as a opened minded person..im ok with it. i woudnt try to get you you to change your mind.and i wouldnt hate you for not believeing.
im a great person (i think) i joke around, have fun, etc. and im a christian. i dont think you would hate me just because i have morals that are based on what comes out of the bible. theyre actually not bad morals.
and i dont think you cant be a good person or someone i would befriend just because you dont have "jesus" in your life.
so just wondering...do you hate me?
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Noone will listen to what you have to say until you learn correct grammar and spelling.
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wow sorry didnt relise i had to make words like an essay on a website filled with nutcases trying to look difrent can u forgive me LOLOLOL
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The whole of the mainstream Christian Church is corrupt, and has strayed away from Jesus' message.
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I don't think that you hate Christians, you just feel disregard for organized religion in general (my perception…)
It is perfectly normal to challenge other religions, as long as you do so in a civilized way. Be careful, though… you are in for a ride.
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we have no religion we are the atheasts
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Man you got to stop refering to science as a institution because it simply isnt in the same way as a religion. Science is a simply the name given to a process to clariify reasoning through reasearch.So if you were truely smart and loved reasoning so much you would not dislike science so much. Btw i was raised as an anglian and believed in it copmletly until conformation at age 13which involves bible study and lectures from the local preist. When I did this it was hard not to see the contridictions between the bible which i read cover to cover and the church.The bible says to be circunmsised but ask any christian on the street and they will say circimsision is a jew thing and when u tell them the bible says to be circumsised there all like wtf. But i do think hating christians is wrong because any group hate is wrong.
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It's nice to have something to believe in so you can do good in life. Its good to have something you can think of when your scared or unhappy. Im not saying it has to be true.
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and p.s.
another thing that true christianity is about is accecpting everyone! There is nothing you can do to escape Gods love- He will show you someday you really just have to open your eyes. No matter what you do in your life- He's always there - you cant feel Him but he knows your pain and He wants to just hold you close- People/Christians who hate on people who are gay or anything like that dont know how to love - even if they do disagree with it gives them no right to hate. Thats prob the worse thing a so called christian could do - hate on someone just cuz they are different or they disagree with your beliefs. Those people dont know how to love. I say God loves me - heck! I love everyone! No standards with God so no standards with me! No judgement and no hate. Its pointless and gets you nowhere. Love to everyone!! <3
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why are 95% of the questions on this site hatefull or trolling topics......and why the hell is this on the websites fav list.
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I like your Christ, but I do not understand your Christians, they are nothing like your Christ.
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In the words of Nietzche, God is dead.
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And anybody who calls an Atheist a lost soul is wrong. I am an Atheist and I have a family that loves me along with supportive friends. Not only that, but I believe myself and am studying to become an engineer. Why the fuck would would you believe that a non-believer is a lost soul? I feel sorry, if anything, for those who are so naive to assume such a thing. When I tell people I am an Atheist sometimes they tell me "I'm sorry" and they pity me. In the end, one thing I do believe in is Karma. I won't say anything back but they will have lived their lives wasting effort and time in believing in what they've been told to believe in. I, on the other hand, will have spent my time living my life to the fullest. I only pity the Christians who pity me. The majority of Christians I know seem shocked when I say I don't believe in God and feel bad for me. I really only respect the ones that can accept me for it. Most other people whether they are Jewish, Buddhist, etc. seem to be more accepting than Christians.
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"Think about this, why is it the smartest people the world has ever known do not belive in god? Jesus is like an adults version of Santa claus."

hahaha I totally agree with that statement too. And I must say it's funny how all Christians insist that we will regret our beliefs one day because all they are trying to imply is that THEY ARE RIGHT AND WE ARE WRONG. Is this really necessary?

And as for the person who said that just because you don't believe in God doesn't mean he doesn't exist, you need to take a logic class or something. While that is *possibly* true, there is no evidence of a God that exists. There is no evidence that fairies exist or even flying pigs. You can say that there is no evidence that God doesn't exist but it's the same as saying that there is no evidence that flying pigs don't exist.
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And for the record, it's a crock of shit to "love everybody". Why love somebody who may or may not deserve your love? And if you love everybody in the world, then what makes your love for your friends and family so special? Why would I want to be loved by somebody when they give their love to the whole world? It's one thing to be kind and accept people. But only people who have gotten to know me are worthy of my love.
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Right, I disagree with Christianity but hating all Christians - a bit far mate, don't you think? Everyone will believe what they choose to believe or what they are socialised to believe. My only problem with religion is it's constrictions, but if people are happy with how they are living their lives, who are you to judge?
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Your name suits you
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love your comment and that`s comen from a christian
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the CIA's profile page on the ole USA tells us that about 95% of the population is in some incarnation....

... a Bible Beater.

Christian
Jewish
Muslim
Hindu
or other

WTF -- but it's about 50 - 55% Bible thumping.
Catholics of Protestants.

Ideas that should have died out 1000 years ago...
You know, when Jesus really didn't end up coming back for his second cumming...

They got a few nice buildings out of it though.
The freemasons
And eventually, the founding of a new country...

All the god stuff in the pledge to the flag was just thrown in there to keep from pissing off the quakers. Most of the Founding Dad's had their heads on straight about religious fanaticism.
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I suppose you will all take comfort in your "belief" in nothingness right up to the end, and when it is your time you'll go bravely into your nothingness with no hope... only finality.
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It is okay to question, but you don't have to put down a religion. Seriously, other religions are basically the same. Try explaining how anything exists, space and time. You won't be able to.
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Hate is a very strong word. I'm not a Christian but I do follow the bible and I would die for Christ any day. There is a god but atheist want to Blame god for everything but they forget about free will and the devil but if you think there is no god that's okay with you but you will find out later. New age people
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I agree w googoogirl - all those Baptist mega church gangs of 'christians' who act like their s**t doesn't stink are not true christians.
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I don't hate Christians, I really really dislike them. and i feel really really sorry for them that their lives are so empty and meaningless that they have turned to imagination as an outlet to escape the harsh reality that they......that all people have let become there life. The whole foundation of this truly bizarre society is founded not in reason and rationale but in fiction and feelings. people who no longer take a stand when the rulers of the land destroy morale and force feed you lines of feel good servitude. a group of people who worship a symbol of death, a crucified deity,with no hope for this life awaiting a eternal reward in a heaven that nobody can describe. 76% of north Americans claim Christianity as their religion, yet have no regard for the sanctity of life. as the planet is raped and pillaged ,the things needed to sustain life ruined for all creatures. the Christian soldier marches on. claiming virtue and morality and love as their common goal but to stupid too see what's in front of their eyes. willfully giving in to sanctions and rules provided by a hypocritical hierarchy of men in funny hats who live in marvelous palaces paid for by the faith of the devoted worshipers. a group of child molesting heathens and brutish overlords telling the common man what devoutness they should live by.

no i don't hate Christians, but i have no sympathy for the mindless horde, stupidity is a choice not a birth defect.
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My opinion, being christian and all, i will try to make it as least biast as possable. FACT #1, many records, documented sightings, and tens of other accounts have been made to seing the ark of Noah. FACT #2 Pangea. It was real, however, that was because there wasnt very much water on the surface to begin with. Where did that water come from? Well, it was always here, but underneath the earth's crust. But i will get to that later. My supporting evidence for the flood, is that meteors have been found on the moon and on earth that ARE of the earth, not a random space rock. And yes, they are from space. How is that possable? The water under the earth rose up through a fault in the earths crust and sent them flying. The approximated force of this uprising was that of three hundred trillion hydrogen bombs exploding at once. This force moved the continants from Pangea, to the current known world. Yes the earth has platelets that move, but the current rate doesnt support Pangea for the simple fact that no rock has been found that is old enough to put the current world back into the original Pangea form. If this makes no sense to you then you either arent terribly smart, i lost you somewhere because my english isnt that grand, or you refuse to accept facts. If you are still curious but reluctant to accept the truth, research before you make any conclusions.
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Everyone, whether they realize it or not, is living their life day to day based off of faith. Faith is defined as "belief that is not based on proof." How is your faith not to believe any different than my faith to believe? I mean technically, whatever choices we make, we are taking a leap of faith. Getting in the car to drive is assuming, or having faith, that the breaks are going to work when you need to stop. Putting your clothes out before bed for the next morning is having faith that you are going to wake up. Choosing not to believe in God is having faith that there is no God and that you don't have to worry about all that silly nonsense about being saved and heaven and hell. Your faith, you think, is your saving grace against something that could be the truth. Why are you using it as a crutch? God tells us to have FAITH because He knew that there would be claims against His existence, identity and power. However, since there is no proof, what shall we do then? There are many arguments for both sides so perhaps some serious studying or research for BOTH sides would be beneficial. If you are looking for why God doesn't exist, you are going to find reasons why God couldn't possibly exist. If you are looking for the opposite, you can find the opposite. However, there must be an absolute truth. So which is it? Why not look at some FACTS that make up certain theories? Even if a theory is only a theory, it still holds some facts. Historically, the bible is extremely accurate. Every prophecy in the old testament came true in the new testament. Why not do what God says in the bible when He says "If you seek me with all of your heart and you will find me." If you truly want to know if there is a God, seek Him and ask Him. BUT, thats when it comes down to another question: Do you truly want to know if there is a God or are you afraid of what to do once you find out the real truth? Why couldn't God use Moses to part the red sea if He wanted to? I'm pretty sure that if there was a God, He could use such miracles to show His power. TO THOSE WHO HAVE EYES TO SEE AND EARS TO LISTEN. If you have closed off your heart though, it may seem impossible. Why is that so hard to believe when the Big Bang theory holds that EVERYTHING came from absolutely NOTHING? Hmmm. I'm just not so sure about that. And, "just because you believe something doesn't mean it's true." I could say that back to you, as well. It doesn't NECESSARILY mean anyone is ignorant, it simply means that one of the 2 of us is misinformed, uneducated, unaware, or unwilling to learn, seek, or accept the truth for whatever reasons we may have. And to answer your question: If you are not a believer, it absolutely normal to hate Christians. Jesus said "If the world hates you, you know that it has hated Me before it hated you." Your faith in not believing God's word and hating those who do is actually fueling our faith and reminding us that Jesus has told us everything in the bible that we need to know.
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I think its normal to crave attention when you are a teenager. Which is what I think this is all about.
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There are literally hundreds of holes in the Christian story starting with the basic story logic and ending with obscure geological points. Some of the big ones - Who created god? If you say god has always existed, then I can say matter and energy have always existed. Why would a perfect being require servitude? Narcissism? Experimentation? Or even just loneliness? Imperfection. What god supposedly did to mary would be called Rape and is both illegal and immoral. To many Christians, women's bodies are public property. If we were created in the shape of God, does god have private parts? Toenails? For what purpose? Suspicious, since it massages the human ego. Why would god NEED to sacrifice his child rather than directly removing sin from humanity? God is either not able to do so (not omnipotent or infallible) or able to but prefers to kill his children (Psychotic and immoral, unworthy of worship). I have heard Christians defend the god of the Old Testament as "angry, until the sacrifice placated him and removed sin". You are not allowed to kill your children, no matter how recalcitrant they may be. (Deuteronomy 32:21-25), (Numbers 11:1), (Psalms 50:22), (Hosea 13:8), (II Kings 15:5), (Proverbs 30:17), (Heremiah 19:7-9) and ESPECIALLY (Hosea 13:16) are all great examples of god's evil, vindictive ways.

Why would a kind being create evil? This is an ancient question, usually associated with the phrase "the question of suffering". Most people don't go far enough when debating it, however. If god created the universe, it also would have created all laws, physics and logic. If this is truly the best god could do, it's not very good at creating existences. If evil *must* exist despite god's best efforts, god is subject to natural laws outside of itself is thus not omnipotent. Most christians now believe in free will. This is a relatively new development - its been a contested dogma historically. If our actions are determined (predestination) we are not responsible for them and do not deserve punishment or reward. Christianity has existed for roughly 2,000 years - a very, very small portion of the lifespan of the earth and a small portion of human history. What about the people who existed before the birth of Jesus or those who were never taught about Christianity? This is the vast majority of humanity. This means that if they are doomed through no fault of their own, the Judeo-Christian god is a heartless, fickle mass-murderer - or simply forgetful, having meant to include the possibility of salvation from day one. It's also somewhat of a racist, since there are a lore more white western christians than there should be, statistically, if humanly was evenly blessed. This would fit in with the part in the bible where he gives the black people hemmorhoids (I Samuel 5:9).
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To those who sees Christianity as a total lie, no good is coming from lies and the followers of Science or if you think you are "smart" (IQ >130:

You could be a reasoning fellow like me or a dumbass that doesn't know better. Religion is a human need to compensate for their insatiable curiosity than contemporary science is inadequate to explain. The world is not a fair place, it's equivalent to Hell in the Bible if you think about it. However there are CHARACTERS (note i am not saying humans/real or fake) like Jesus, to inspire a religion of love and peace. He did not form churches or any ORGANISATIONs. He did not travel far to preach, just doing it from his area of living. He may even be fake or real, but WHO CARES? The end result of his works (or stories) is a temporary peace and justice for the mob.

Sure you could argue that religions are used as an excuse for wars and violence e.g. Popes in the pasts are power crazed sadistic perverts but that's because they are just human and religion is a great power. And power corrupts.

There is nothing wrong, always, nothing wrong with religions but only its followers or misinetrepration of it.

Science is killing God. But sorry to disappoint the followers of science for science is supporting another religion and trust me, it is not Scientology but another MAJOR religion that its true followers do not claim it as a religion at all.

So why do you work so hard to dispute the existence of God? So that you can feel better? Without religions the dumber people will go crazy and become lawless and start killing all those smart people. (Hello, they outnumbered us by 1000:1 because statistically proven dumb people breeds MORE)

Wanna know what i believe in? I believe there are Gods and Goddesses, divine beings, higher beings. Do i respect Them? Yes. Do i worship them? No. I worship none and expects no rewards or blessings. For i desire none.
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As long as your open for suggestion.
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I don't hate Christians. I just think they're uneducated.
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I don't like religions fullstop. To think that people blindly believe in something is scary. People hurt and kill other people cos of reliions: all of them doesn't matter which kind. I choose to believe in that which I can see. At least my life is not full of false hopes.
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Moses did not turn the sea into blood. According to Exodus 7:14-25 he turned the Nile River into blood. You are right. Ignorance is a scary thing.
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Hi. I'm one of those Christians that are complete idiots according to you. But I'm gonna tell you right now that you are wrong. For me christianity isn't a crutch. Sure He helps me with things, but it's more than that. It's a relationship. Look up the song "how he loves us" by John mark Macmillan or kari jobe. And that explains it a little better. If I Christian was to get on here and make a thread about atheists you would be insulted. Well this thread insults me. I realize that there are people out there who are going to judge me and criticize me and ridicule me for my faith. But that isn't going to take my faith away. It just makes me feel sorry for you that you don't have God as your heavenly father. And I didn't comment on this to shove my faith down your throat, and I'm not judging any athiest, but I would appreciate it if you wouldn't categorize and judge me, when you don't even know me. Thanks.
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Come on all ya christians... defend your faith!
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I think you'll find all religions believe in something different, including atheism; Which I assume you are a part of.

Atheists believe the world was created from a big explosion. Then Life just appeared from this explosion. Over years we just kept changing until we got to how we are today. What makes that more crazier than the other religious beliefs?

The truth is we will NEVER know how the world was created; everything is theory. Whether it was made by a superior form, or it was created by accident, or maybe not one of the human theories have even came close to the truth. The only people who are ignorant in this scenario are the people who say any idea is out of the question.
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@: Bob17
Atheism is a religion like not collecting coins is a hobby.
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@: Bob17
For a start athiesm isnt a religion, its the absence of belief in a supernatural being, and actually we don't put all our trust into the big bang THEORY! but there is evidential proof that there was a big explosion at some stage. And there is a damn lot more proof than there has ever been towards any religion in history.. whos amount of evidence stands currently at... zero. but hey, u have faith right?!
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@: Bob17
Athisum is the lack of a religon and athiest all beileve different thing. Its not a religonn in its self.

Science trys to explane everything about the world, so maybe we will know for sure how the universe was made. Theology says "We know enouth, read the bible". If we followed the theology idea we would still be in the stone age.
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@: Bob17
theists believe the world was created from a big explosion. Then Life just appeared from this explosion. Over years we just kept changing until we got to how we are today. What makes that more crazier than the other religious beliefs?
what makes this not as crazy is yes the big bang theory and the evolution theory are just theory but the is some science to back it up i do believe that there is an after life of some sort but i think some of the bible is BS
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the big bang theory has alot of evedents *how it started* theres two tipes of mater in the univers non mater and mater non mater over a seres of events non mater can be turned in to mater wich gets puled together but after awile it starts to over heat and a mix of gases make it blow up now suns start to form and planets to!:)
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@: Bob17
bravo! you told him.
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Jesus loves YOU. :)

and

many christians out there, pray for YOU.
and what i am telling you is the TRUTH.


ps. I pray that you could meet God, soon or later in your life.
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Organized religion is the biggest waste of time in human history. Generations and generations of pussies that are too afraid to realize that we came from evolution. Greed is the driving force of every human being in this world, that is why "followers" believe in an afterlife......they want more, what they have now, and what they lived is not good enough, there has to be more! And of course many years ago, some smacked out looney wrote a long book of bullshit called the Bible " there was not much to do in those days" saying that this Jesus man did all of these things, and he was sent down here from god, "the biggest Lie ever told" to save us from our sins. What a load of shit that is. Nothing changed, we are stil dying, killing, robbing, fucking, raping, but now we wear crosses and go to church...where some biggot asshole wears a curtain, rants on about so called "morality, and such" but not before asking you to contribute money to the church....Are you all fucking stupid?? he probably makes more money then any of you!! i want to become a pastor or priest just to make as much money as they do. Church is the biggest scam there has ever been, they take your money, time, molest your children over and over, where is your god??? He doesnt exist.
And if you Christians are "told" like a dog, to love thy neighbor...why do you Hate homosexuals? Christians are so proud, and think they know whats true, its all crap, how stupid can you be?, Catholics, Mormons, Jews, Muslims, and every other type of religious organization is based on lies, and every church should be burned. You lie to your children about santa, and fairies...what makes you think someone at some point didnt lie to YOU? take you heads out of your ass.

"Amen"
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Hahahaha!!!! That was the best rant against Christianity I have ever read - just perfect in every subtle nuance! You know, some churches take that money and do things like feed the homeless, take them in out of the cold, give them clothes to wear, etc. Some churches even give free counseling to poor people. You act like it's just some mega-scam and all the pastors are living up in Beverly Hills! Hahahaha!!! The Bible wasn't written by some 'smacked out looney.' It's trying to preach 'love' to a race that's just barely begun to be civilized...cultured for a few millenia, and that's it. We were all hunter-gatherers just a few thousand years ago, slitting each-others' throats. Now we annihilate each other with nuclear weapons. God's not going to come down and put us all where he wants us to be, like a bunch of G.I. Joe action figures. We have to do it ourselves! Ask a true christian for help, and you'll get help. Ask for food, water, understanding, and you'll get it.
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The "Theory of Evolution" has been around for over 150 years, yet no one has proven Darwin's claim, thus making it a fact. To say, therefore, to claim a Christian is "too afraid to realize that we came from evolution", is in of itself, nonsense. To the contrary, however, science is beginning to apply the idea of "creationism" to explain and solve some of its more compelling challenges. Following that logic, is the notion that historians not only are finding more and more of the biblical stories aligned, but more of the biblical professies are coming to fruition. But then again, it is very easy to make hate filled comments regarding christianity and the Bible, when one has obviously never read it.
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It is a "theory" in the same way that there is a "theory" of electricity or gravity. No one has met the standard of proof required to turn these theories into "facts", but i doubt you'd want to test the "theory" of gravity by stepping off a 300-foot cliff.

Quibbling over semantics doesn't advance your credibility one bit. This only shows up your despearate attempts to hide your ignorance.
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Well I HAVE read the bible and as a woman .. it is an insult to the worst degree.I grew up in a very religious family and from the time i was able to finally think for myself I doubted its validity right away.
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I am praying for you and all nonbelievers. It makes my heart sad to hear that, and I pray that you will open your heart to hear God when he speaks to you. That is the proof that each of us Christians have that we can't really give to others. We have our proof because we've heard the voice of God through unique avenues that God chooses to speak to us. When it happens to you I pray that you will listen and not shrug it off. It is real. When you realize it you will shout it to the mountain tops because it's an awesome feeling to come to understand and you'll want to share it with as many people as you can. I love you and hope to meet you in heaven. :)
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well, why believe in a religion if you won't follow it?

it's like saying you like virgin pussy, but refuse to fuck one
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But at some point you must learn to think for yourself and even if you come to the conclusion in the end that you prefer to stick with your christian beliefs don't you think that you should use the brain that GOD gave you and make your own determination rather than accepting what your parents and others have told you because religion is nothing more than an embellishment of someone's distorted view of the world and it's creation no mnatter which religion your talking about.I question EVERYTHING because I believe that everything SHOULD be questioned including the existence of GOD .. ONLY A FOOLISH MAN DOESN'T ASK QUESTIONS.
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a few thoughts...

Jesus is supposed to be this super humble guy right? How ridiculously pretentious is it to claim, or believe that you are the son of God?

The idea of Heaven and Hell is the most contrived thing I have ever heard of. If god is so almighty why would he use the same method that parents use to make their kids behave. ex.. "telling your kids that if they don't behave they will get a stocking full of coal for christmas."

The simplistic reasoning behind heaven and hell is a smoking gun. How can it be anything but a man-made instrument to gain control of humans?
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exactly. its embedded in your mind. the evidence is right there, yet you refuse to believe it. think about this: the first law of thermodynamics. it's not a theory. it's a LAW, like gravity and physics.
The First Law of Thermodynamics (Conservation) states that energy is always conserved, it cannot be created or destroyed. In essence, energy can be converted from one form into another.
that is a LAW my friend. not your everyday law ofthe goverment, but a FACT. To deny a LAW of physics, gravity, or thermodynamics is simply stupid. you can't deny that gravity keeps you on the ground, and you can't deny that the laws of thermodynamics is real. so, according to the first law of thermodynamics, we CAN'T simply have been created by a greater being. the sun CAN'T have been created.
of course, this doesn't answer the question "how we came to be". if that is your arguement, then you are so desperate for an answer you would willingly believe a false one rather than to keep searching for the RIGHT one.
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i've had it up to here with christianity. the ethical tenets are adrmirable, but the magic show is pathetic.
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hatred is ignorance
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well yea of course those things are IMPOSSIBLE because it goes against our law of nature. If we told the sea to split it would definitely not do it for us. But God, the one who created the whole world including the sea, can do pretty much anything he wants or allows..so my point is: we can't make the sea split cause its not normal, but God most definitely can cause he's...GOD. lol.
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I sincerely hope that one day soon there will be a christian holocaust. They have ruined everything in the western world and are now destroying the rest of the world with their silly fairytales and arbitrary rules and dogma. I usually don't condone mass extermination of any particular type of people but christians need to go. They impose their ridiculous beliefs on everyone else, thereby infringing upon the rights of others. It's time that logical people everywhere stand up to these fairytale-believing ignoramuses. Why can't gays get married in this country? CHRISTIANS! Why can't I buy alcohol on a sunday until after 1pm? CHRISTIANS! Why are midwestern schoolchildren being taught "creationism" instead of documented facts? CHRISTIANS! Why are young boys continuously getting molested by sexually repressed adults? CHRISTIANS! Why does the USA support the unethical (to put it lightly) actions of Israel? CHRISTIANS! Who put George W. Bush in office...TWICE?! CHRISTIANS, that's who! And all this is just the tip of the iceberg with these retards. Die, christians, die.
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KashMemon
Big bang my ass!
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Me too, I'm too old for fairy stories. Why do they keep trying to force people to reject common sense?
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Mimir2, you said: "and in the certainty it has been shining for immense amounts of time."

Care to prove this? All your doing is following things other people have said. You have absolutly no proof of any of this; the same way no one can prove Christianity or other religions are true. As far as you know the world isn't even round. Have you ever been into space and looked down on it for yourself or have you only seen images that were given to you by others.

You cant say "Thats not due to ignorance but to intelligence and knowledge" because none of this knowledge is your knowledge, it's just what you have chosen to believe because others gave you the theories.
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If your God is so omnipotent, why did He:

1.) allow the *possibility of sin entering into the world in the first place by putting the damn tree in the garden

2.) impose such heinous consequences for eating the fruit of that tree

3.) put people through wars of mass annihilation and bitter strife for thousands of years before

4.) killing himself to guilt-trip all of us and

5.) conveniently disappear from the face of the Earth and give us nary a miracle/sign of His existence since then (need i add all the accounts of "faith-healed" cripples dying the next day, and amputees never regaining a limb except through *surgery which doesn't count)

6.) leave us to bicker over the "true" meaning of his "word"/"commands" (whatever that may be- revealed through the Bible, Koran, Talmud, or some crackhead's golden specs), and even *kill each other over it (witness: Israel-Palestine)

7.) make this world of pain and suffering so excruciating AND demand endless worship/contrition...

... when he could so *easily have done things otherwise...?

(I could name a lot more- flaws in the "perfect" human body, the perpetuation of hatred by the church and such, but i'm lazy)

Please, answer.

Simply leaving it to "his infinite wisdom", "mysterious ways", and "someday it'll all make sense" *WON'T cut it (fyi that's what cults use to shut up dissenters). There are *real problems in the here and now which won't be solved by some Bronze Age relic.
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What kind of God does this?

It's like an artist spewing crap over the canvas and demanding that we bow down in awe of him and his shoddy "work"... otherwise we'll get shot and thrown in an eternal pool of acid.
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Good luck in hell!
And I 'm christian and I haven't planned out a second of my life, i don't even go to church! But I read the bible. I can see someone haveing a different religion and all but you can't just say christians are the crazy ones, all regions are f***ed up and unbelieveable.
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why do u think all u people who hate Christians or dont believe in God have all these problems or are sad or are depressed or are out of a job or fricken not happy with your self. Cause u dont believe in God and are ignorant idots. God does exist read about not only in bible there has been plenty of mariacles that happen through faith and through God.

ps sorry cant spell
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Agreed.
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for me i am a "christian". to me it is kinda hard to believe that some explosion happened and then all life started. I am not making fun of people who believe in it or nothing just stating what i believe. if you have read the bible at all you would know that there is proof of events that had happened in the bible like how they found half of Noah's arc upon a top of a mountain there is proof to a man Jesus being born and crucified. I personally think that it is easier to believe in a higher power that created life than an explosion. it is stupid that atheists say they believe in nothing when clearly they believe in believing nothing. and even for people who are not "christian" still have a believe in a higher power like Buddhists and other religions still believe that a higher power created life. only so called atheists dont have a religion.
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It is very easy to understand how the "big bang" ocurred. God said "BANG"!!! and the universe was created!
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Christians are hXc. Leave them be. Anyway, would it not be more accurate to say you hate religion? Most of the things you hate about Christianity can be said about most of the mainstream religious types.
(I'm not religious, in case you were wondering.)
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I never hated children. I never thought being pregnant was disgusting. But I unfortunately got a girl pregnant who refused to get an abortion, even after I cried and begged her. Now we have a baby. I'm finishing my last year of college and having a baby changed my whole world. I absolutely hate kids and I now find pregnancy completely disgusting. I feel sorry for people I see pregnant. I feel even sorrier for the fathers of the of the unborn children. I hate being a daddy. I hate changing diapers, hearing whines and cries, I hate it all. I sometimes just want to get away and move to a different country to escape. I feel completely trapped by this woman. If i stay with her, then I have to be a daddy to this stupid kid. If I bounce, then of course she will put me on child support. I am between a rock and a hard place. I just wish she would have gotten an abortion.

People say when you have a kid, and you see him for the first time and you hold him, your feelings change. I beg to differ. I hate that little bastard and I wish he had never been born. He is breaking my damn wallet and is costing me an arm and a leg. Ive worked hard my whole life hoping to have a successful life, and here comes a woman I sleep with who refuses to have an abortion, and takes away my success. I'm ruined because of her. I sometimes wonder if I should just let her put me on child support and then just dip and never have anything to do with her or the baby. Never seeing her or the baby would actually make me very happy. I thought I was evil for feeling this way, but I can see there are more people out there. I'm glad I found this site
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Why didn't you just wear a condom you idiot? I say all insipid people should NOT be allowed to breed, anyone with an I.Q lower than 100 should be neutered like the animals they still are.

Please for the love of FUCKING get the snip.
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man.... there are alot of comments for this one :P but ya... nothings wrong with thinking that there's a higher power out there and that there's more to your life. It also gives people joy. I will say that religion may/may not (I don't know) have been used as a political tool in the past but it still gives hope to people and sometimes that's all that's needed to help people... so really is there anything worng with that

try to lighten up alittle and faith in something is a good thing
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Basically, the Judeo Christian church promotes the subordination of women--it glorfies the patriarchl world of men. If that is OK with you in this technological age, then go for it. If not, join a church that believes men and women should be treated as equals. I can't stand it when I see Christian women acting like the men are better or smarter. Men running our world has resulted in nothing but death and destruction. Let the girls play!
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I always thought that the bible used metaphor's. Anyways, certain things happen in a person's life that converts them to Christianity. For that reason I think they should have the choice to believe in whatever they please, and if it helps them be a better person, why not?
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what a stupid story, that poor desperate fool isn't to bright
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Don't worry, with your non-beliefs you're not going to be part of God's blessing and all that. Won't even have to deal with it. But You might just burn in hell.
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I just signed up to say, I hope that someone discovers a way of keeping you alive for all eternity, so that you can be endlessly tortured for making such a "Holy" statement.
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right on man.
christians are annoying cos of thier sales pitch and how they, whenever you find conclusive proof to prove god dosent exist, just try to cover it up and get off topic
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and lisha590? stop quoting gigantic paragraphs from the bible. this is an intenet forum, not a church service.
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Lol Im flattered that definitely wasnt a direct "quote" from the bible. And being that this is an internet forum shouldnt I be able to share ?
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i think religion is bunch of made up crap. I don't hate christians with the exception of passionate christians. they try and try to convert people and have a I LOVE GOD sign where ever they go. They only like christian songs, read the book of crap they call a bible every night, and mumble meaningless sh*t everytime. When you pray, the answers are yes no and wait. You can't loose with that answer because one of those are bound to happen. Lets pray you will have a billion dollars. Not gonna happen. why? because praying don't do anything, duh.
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Your DISCUSTING.
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It's all very simple, there is no God so why religion? It's just a bunch of made up stories for past generation that absolutely have no basis or fact, much less truth.
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I don't hate Christians/Christianity. I hate stupid morons like the person who started this thread.

What does a stupid moron like you know about "reality"?

Reality check you spastic - whatever you believe to be "reality" in the end it also has an element of 'faith' to it.
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I don't follow complete Christian beliefs. I believe in God, I believe in Jesus. I find it hard to believe some stories, but in my mind, I just know that's what I believe. I believe in re-incarnation which I know a lot of people don't, but I find it hard to believe everything goes black, that's it. I believe in Heaven, though I do not believe in Hell. I think differently to others.

I think that people have a right to believe in what they believe in. If you don;t think that's what happened, that's okay, if someone tries and tells you "IT'S REAL, IT'S ALL REAL!" Then you have a right to be angry, but perhaps you should let them think what they think, it's their right.

I'm not telling you to believe in it, I wouldn't do that, but I'm just saying I do, and so do others, whilst others, like you, don't. But it's fair to let people have an opinion. You have yours, I have mine.
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thank you for making sense and accepting other people, rather than bashing them down for not beleiving exactly what you beleive. it gives me hope that maybe humanity isn't as hateful as we play ourselves out to be.
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I'm a Christian, and to prove some good points, I may be worst that any of you here, I do bad stuff, say bad words, in most cases feel hate and curse others. Naturally, Being a Christian doesnt prove anything unless you do the right thing and you follow God's teachings, to protect your faith against other atheist bashers is pointless if you yourself cant control your urge to commit sin.
The only difference between me and the none-believers is that I believe in God, And I dont need any proof on his existence.
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Hating Christians, hell yes it is normal. That is like asking a jewish holocaust survior if it is normal that you hate the SS. Maybe your experiences with chrisitans were not a drastic but you form your opinion of them and that is that. There is a statistic that before 9/11, the religion most hated was christianity, and if fitting to the norm is normal, then you have got it. I can agree with you anyhow, chrisitians believe only of faith. Hello reality. I had been raised in a christian family, gone to a catholic school and now i am at the point that relgion in general, who needs it. The world would be a better place without it.
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we plan out our lives? are you serious? i don't even know what i'm having for lunch today!

you can be athiest without telling people that they're idiots.
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i've read almost every one of these posts. i have always found the fact that science is used as hard evidence for anything. truth is, nothing about it is really set in stone. it's constantly evolving and changing as new tests are done and new theories are invented. science and every "law" and "theory" and "formula" was created by humans. started with crude experiments and has gradually evolved into the ideas we have now. everything is based on idea and somehow "proving" it. i don't understand how people, christian or not, can not believe in a higher being. just by coincidence, an explosion that placed our perfectly balanced planet precisely where it needed to be from a perfectly sized star with the right chemical balances to give the planet enough heat to sustain life? and if thats not too crazy... the idea that life sprang up (also spontaneously, with no explantaion... just like the big bang, hm...) from nothing? we have gradually evolved from tiny amoebas to the intricately and complicatedly functioning humans that we are today? after thinking about all of that, the Bible seems more plausible by a landslide.


also, i am a christian, but i am not an idiot. truth is, many christians in today's church make themselves look like hypocrites and fools. if i was an atheist or any nonbeliever for that matter, i would personally not want to be a part of the church either. what many people teach is far different from how they act. our culture recognizes christians as hateful, judgmental, obnoxious republicans who try to force their views on everyone else. these people are not true christians. Jesus is not a hypocrite. He came to love the unloved, feed the hungry, and embrace those who have never been embraced. he came to associate and have fellowship with liars, tax collectors, homosexuals, prostitutes, adulterers, murderers. we are each fearfully and wonderfully made in His image, by His great LOVE. christianity is based completely on LOVE. God is love and love is real. it's a religion of mercy and grace and UNCONDITIONAL love. all that we are asked for is faith.

Christ came to the world and said, "darling, child, i love you. i am love in the flesh. i am so incredibly in love with you, and i made you, i created you, i know every single hair upon your head, i know every freckle on your skin. i know your heart and i know your mind. and even though you have denied me, even though you have murdered and lied and judged and stolen and hated, i know you, and i love you and i want you to be mine. i want you to come with me, because i will show you a love that does not count those things of the past against you. i will forgive everything horrible you have ever done or will do. i will try to remake your heart so that love is at the center of it. not the absence of love. please, beloved, come with me and i will show you truth."

he came to LOVE to unloved. unconditionally. in return for faith.
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hey my personal veiews on xmas is that its so comercial and mitirelaised (i cant spell)
i want this i want that
but i must say im kinda spoilt so thats proberly a reason for not particualry liking it
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sorry

religions cause so much def and sadness
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Okay well just because all u don't believe in God doesn't mean people who do should be called stupid because the people who don't believe in God needs to be prayed for and I'm no crazy Christian but God is our loving father and he deserves more respect than what all of u r giving him shame on u all the way u talk about him u should all banish to hell but ill pray for u all so that you all go on God's pathway don't put him in the dirt he gave his only son to us and his son died for our sins......I love god and i always will he is my light and he should be all your light to
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HEY CILLIE_CHIPPIE! i regret to inform that it does talk about dinos in the bible. in the book of job God talks to job about two beasts called the buhemoth (i think thats the right spelling) and the leviathin. the descriptions that follow sound like dinosaurs to me. you can check it out in Job chapter 40 verse 15 all the way to the end of chapter 41. have fun kiddies. (oh and someone said something about faith being a cruth...you also have to have faith to believe in evolution)
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@sshole. It's not my fault I was forced and raised to belive all this shit. So do you hate me and all my family too? Don't know how you can seeing as you don't even know us. It's pointless to just hate people for there religons, skin colour ect...I was born this way.
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You can't force someone to believe in something. They have to feel it for themselves. I don't have any doubts because I have felt God in my heart & it is a very powerful thing....it is like the World you know just fades, no worries, no judgments, no hatred...just total absolute freedom, & peacefulness...I don't expect anyone to believe this, but hopefully something that every single person can feel at sometime in their life. I also think calling people stupid, ignorant, e.t.c for living their life the way they want, & not by your set of rules is very childish, & immature...you must be a great person to be around. We should all respect one another, & know that everyone has a right to think, do, or believe in what they want.
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the only real religon is the old scandinavian religon. I do only serv oden,tor,tyr,freja and all the ohter gods of assgaard
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Have fun in hell asshole
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YEs i Hate them to. I'm gay they hate me, f*ck em. So ignorant, I try to contain it though.
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Hear me out, i am fair and i'm trying to save you. Read through it i beg u. English is my 3rd language and i might not be so refined in it but please read on.

I hate christians. Yes i hate the CONFORMIST Christians; not all christians. But know this; I like CHRISTIANITY. the idea of Christianity is a glorious one and the best concealed necessary lie ever in human history.

I have read a few of the comments, not all because it is simply too long and i realised a few things.

1. There are Christians who believed God as a real manifestation and is interpreting the Bible literally.

2. There are non Christians who condemned the idea of Christianity out of their superficial understanding of the need for this religion.

3. There are people who cannot tolerate others stupidity and attacks have became personal.

Hear me out now.

To the christian conformists (converts who are christians due to PEER PRESSURE [especially those who kept saying it's the largest religion so i am proud of it), loved ones, family, or simple those who enter the religion without prior in depth research into it]:

RELGION is a method devise by HUMAN to have PEACE/CONTROL/POLITICAL influence over their fellow people (where majority are less educated and dumber in those days.) Think about it, throughout history religion is spread ONLY by great powers. History is written by the victors. There is NO truth in history. NOTHING is purely documented innocently without any alteration. Human, we err. We cannot dispute whatever the Bible says nor support it. So why lie about the HOLY BOOK? I can assure you that it's because people tend to believe in you if you add in mythical stuff into it such as MIRACLES. And what is MIRACLE but an event that happened by obscure chances or we simply do not realised it because it is SO COMMON, e.g. conception is miracle, so is the BIRTH of YOU. Do we need to bow to something as common as YOU (what's the world population?) just like we worship a religion which is based on MIRACLEs to marvel its followers? Nothing happen in this world that is out of the law of physics. Physics is a study of natural occurence, if current physicist can't explain the occurence, it's due to our shallow knowledge.

I hate the phrase people use,"Believe in Him and Thou shalt be saved from the Eternal flames of Hell."

This is an appendix of ancient political pressure from the Popes or those in Dark Ages, trust me. If you read the whole Bible and UNDERSTANDs it, you know this is a bullshit. Mark my words, those of you who go around and preach Christianity and converts others with this slogan. You are BUT SATAN's little helper.
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Think about this, why is it the smartest people the world has ever known do not belive in god? Jesus is like an adults version of Santa claus.
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don't worry my friend. You will believe in Jesus once you meet him.
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It's hateful people like you that created Nazis. Moses was a STORY. Get over it. Stop making fun of people for what they believe in. It has nothing to do with you. No one knows whats true or untrue, but arguments like these are what cause genocides.
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It's hateful people like you that started the Nazis and the massacres of the jews. Moses was a STORY, get over it. Stop making people feel bad for what they believe in, it has nothing to do with you.
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Christianity is not a religion, it's a relationship. A special bond that each person can share with God to help them through things and help others through things. God loves EVERYONE. Even atheists and people who hate him. It hurts him to see people in this world struggle, but he knows that when we are going through a hard time, when can reach out to him, and that strengthens our relationship with him. Faith is believing in someone you love. If you have friends or family that is going through a hard time, you have faith that they will be okay. Faith for CHristians is similar to that; they believe and have faith in their Heavenly Father. God is watching over YOU, every single person in the world. He knows your hearts desires, and he wants to help you achieve great things, if you would just open up to him.
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You kinda need to learn Bout respect. I'm all for your beliefs and about free speech but I can just go saying fuck you to the person next to me. Trust me I live in Utah and having missionaries come over is a pain but you need to have common curtsy. .
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everything about science is theorized. hello wtf u cant evn prove that atoms are the smallezt thing. or w.e that is...just because its been somewhat connected doesnt mean its proven.. now im not saying religions are correct too... science is to observations as religion is to faith.. and thats one of the arguments that will never be resolved... so does it make u any smarter to believe in science or religion? yes, becaus in one way or the other we hav that knowledge w/ ourselves for life.. i dont mean IQ smart.. just the right sense and life smart because after all nobody really knows... its ur call
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I dont know why you hate us we didn't do nothing to you...you can believe in anything you want but I believe in the lord cause he has healed me a bunch of times...and my moms bff took adipex and she bought died and he saved her she is like her old self exept only 25%of her heart is working
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I'm a Christian, not because I was raised in the church or follow blindly. I have searched many religions for 'the truth' of our existence. I don't care for religion. If you were the devil wouldn't the church's be the first thing you would corrupt? Although I have not found any one religion that caters to all of my beliefs, I believe in the bibles teachings. I believe in Jesus and that he died for our sins. I think you really need to read the bible to see the wisdom in it. There is an answer for every question you have, if you can open your mind to comprehend beyond what you can see and touch. Don't you ever question our purpose here? Look at nature, how perfectly it runs like clock work. I can't believe it happened by an accidental 'big bang'. In my eyes scientists make these big discoveries which are seen to be in contrast with Christianity. As interesting as these are, in the end scientists are just unravelling the mystery of Gods work. At least read 'Revelations' and you will see that so much of it is already coming true. Open your eyes to the world. Things aren't always the way they seem. I would bet my life on it!
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Go burn. people who dis christians piss me off.
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agreed. should be more normal
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vinel94
Ok no faith in this and its partly why i belivieve this is a FACT: there is more proof that everything in the bible was true than there is that julias ceasor ever existed
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first of all, it's not really an insult, it's a way of contradicting you. By not reading myu arguement, you are simply turning the otehr way and ignoring evidence, wanting to be engulfed in your dillusions.
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I wish ignorant christians - or members of any faith/religion for that matter - would realise that "atheism" is NOT a religion OR faith - it is being "A-(as in NOT) THEIST (as in beliefs)"

It's not like we believe in there not being a god - it's just that there isn't a fucking god there in the first place to beleive in!

And don't retort with some rubbish like "well that's what YOU believe!"

Imagine if you are a Christian, do you believe the Hindu God Ganesh does not exist? Or do you not believe in Ganesh?

If you believe that unicorns do not exist, then may I say that you a member of the "No unicorns" religion? Is it a matter of faith that unicorns do not exist? Can I come along to your non-unicorn church with you tomorrow?

There is a big difference between positively believing that a thing does not exist, and simply lacking belief in it's existence.
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You are so totally WRONG - 'theos' is the ancient Greek word for 'God,' not 'belief.' Hence A-theism means no god. And it is a belief - a belief that there isn't a god. Just as the existence of god can't be proved, nor can his non-existence be proved. And NO - proving logically that a few parables in the torah are unrealistic does NOT amount to a death-blow to the concept of god...
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there are always people who are atheist, yet lists themselves as religious, all because of family members. if the parents are religious, chances are the kids will be too. in my opinion, religion should be kept away from kids till they're 18. before that, kids will believe EVERYTHING you tell them. it is simply not fair for them.
i recommend a VERY good read, "the god delusion" by richard dawkins, a professer of science at oxford university.
now, i can see that the debate is coming to an end. i can show a man the path to take, but i cannot force him to do it. when the only factors left is child influence and family pressure, logic will most likely be uneffective. for many, the love of their family means more than the truth itself. of course, like the saying, ignorance is bliss. i respect your value of love from your family, so i will say no more after this. however, if they really love you, they should respect your own beliefs, like mine has. i will no longer post on this, unless another theist decide to post on this.
i wish you the best of luck, and hope you take the right path. i have given you all the advice, shown you all the logic i known so far. theres far more to know in the book i mentioned earlier, and i recommend it too all.
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Yay first time poster long time reader, i thought i'd add my 2 cents worth of opinion.

Ok well first of all i am a christian but not a die hard christian i'll go to church every now and then im not really too fussed about it.

Ok well all the people stating the bible is all fake and crap the people who believe the bible word for word are the fundamentalists and too be honest i think these guys are wackos, these people believe dinosaurs don't exist because they weren't in the bible.

And if you skip past the abuse and opinions Mimir2 actually has some decent facts backing up his argument and too deny his argument completely isn't very smart.

Also although the bible was written ~ 2000 years ago there has been many, many copies of it found through out the years which implies that the writings in the bible today have not changed too much since when it was first written.

And lastly it all comes down to what your opinion of GOD is, there's a book mostly fiction but has non-fiction melded into it its called Angels and Demons written by Written by Dan Brown ( the same guy who wrote The Da Vinci Code) its a good read and i recommend it but some of the stuff he explores in it is quite good to think about and with the recent happenings in Switzerland with CERN and the particle accelerator, they were trying to find the buildings block of life to more understand it these were the most basic atoms of pure energy they were called the GOD atom or something, anyway the book explores that the atoms are pure energy and the big bang theory claims that the universe started from an explosion of pure energy from a single point so depending on your view of God whether you see god as a old man with a white beard or as a singular source of pure energy.

Any i've just put my opinion forward and i've tried to look at both sides hope this helps a bit.

With the guys that come around to the doors yer they'd piss me off too but they're just people who have found happiness and want people to find the same happiness, but even knowing that if they ever came around to my place i'd say go away and if the persisted i'd let the doberman loose.

And to all the people who swear in your post, i have nothing against swearing but when reading these post when people just have abuse it just makes the person look ignorant and any good points they have are shadowed because of this.

Anyway this is my first post so be nice :P
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@: sLyXeH
i don't completely disagree with yu. i can accept the definition of "god" as energy, but it will not be the god religious folks believe in. the definition of god for most religions is one who is omnipotent, omniscient, and the greatest good there is. if you call the big bang itself "god", you are not refering to a real god, so why call it that? just call it energy. since the bible is full of fallacies, it is obvious that it's made up by man. for some people it makes their life happy, i can understand that. but is it really worth it? i would rather live a sad poor man understanding the truth about this universe than live a life as a happy poor man who is oblivious to reason. saying that, there are many people who already live a happy life and believe in god. why? it won't make a difference. with or without religion, good people will do good things, evil people will do evil things. but for a good person to do evil things, THAT takes religion. that makes the benifit of religion a happy life, the con countless deaths in crusades and terrorism. is that really worth it?
if they can understand this logic, then there is none other explaination than low intellegence. common sense tells us that such a being cannot exist. intellegence in the form of science tells us such a being cannot exist. so why do we still believe? even if they were indoctrinated at a young age, threatened with a make-belief hell, it doesn't take much brain to figure out it's impossible. are they simply too stupid to see that its impossible? or do they choose to believe even thou the cons greatly overcome the pros, and its obvious such a being cannot exist, out of pure ignorance? i say that's even worse than low intellegence. that brings out the worst of us. our GREED and DESIRES. if the bible did not promise heaven and hell, none of us would believe. perhaps this is why many choose to believe?
you may say im making the assumption that god does not exist. but before you say it, read over all i've said on this page, and this one:
http://isitnormal.com/story/23635/
you asked for me to be nice, do i did. i can see you may be simply seeing things from the wrong perspective. i say this because you openly admit that anyone who believes everthing the bible says is wrong. your arguement is mainly based on the purpose and good of religion. thats a good for me too, because #1 i don't have to write as much, and #2 i don't have to go on the offensive to use occasional verbal abuse (i really hate idiots who believe everything they read from a 2000 year old book).
thats it for today, tata!
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Since the bible was written 2000 years ago they knew very little science and religion has had to develop to be able to keep up with the modern age the pure energy thing comes from religion saying that god invented the universe saying that a singular thing created the universe the GOD atom is just a way for science to coexist with religion because if the GOD atom theory is correct then it means the universe was created from a singular source, which is what religion states, quite a few well known scientists were religious men and tried to use science to prove the existence of god Galileo was a religious man, Isaac Newton and yer off the top of my head i can't think of anymore.

I won't write anymore because i don't actually care that much for this topic people can believe what they want as long as it doesn't have a drastic impact on me i don't care what they do (it's probably selfish but it's the truth) It's just fun to have a small debate with people who actually post reasonable arguments.
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im amazed. i just read on yahoo about the new creation museum. if you read the comments, i promise you you will get pissed off at how ignorant those people are.
"science was created to prove god's creations"
bullshit. btw thats what one guy said >_>
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http://isitnormal.com/story/9257/#new-comment-form come on join in the convo.
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I agree exept all religions are like that WHAT THE HELL DO THEY KNOW???????? a floating man way up high (but somehow not in space!?!?!?!) created everything but who created him
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Faith is a powerful thing its a feeling u get deep down inside that I didnt even understand until I was saved.
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Wow. Love the debate. Anyway... I think about 99%% of the bible is crap but I always say a prayer at night. I really should be atheist, but I don't wanna be fucked and go to hell if I'm wrong :D

Sorry god. If you exist.
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i hate how some devoted christians act like their religion is the best and talk smack about jewish people, gays, and atheists. also how they shove their religion down other peoples thoats it's like ok we get it. i don't believe that jesus loves all because their is so many people dying out there and i don't see jesus doing anything that
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I think it's normal. I'm Christian. U may not believe what I do but do I care? No I don't. Honestly, I feel the way u do but about Mormons. Mormons just keep adding onto their "book".
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God bless you all:3
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ShazamX3Jessica
Dear ignorance,
Everyone has doubt. To answer questions God gave us free will, he told man not to eat from the tree and we did. How do we know for sure that what we think we know is not completely flawed? How do we know the fossils are 'millions' of years old?Science? How do we really know our science is for sure? We don't. We don't know if God is real but look around. Isn't the world beautiful? Isnt the universe for ever changing to keep everything proper for us to live? Why hasn't ANYTHING evolved? Some explosion created the universe? How can you really believe that knowing how complex humans are and how complex the universe is? Did you know in the Bible it states that the Earth is circular? Keep making explanations that have barely any proof at all! Run away from the truth but in the end you'll realize who the ignorant, dumb ones are.
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just to finish making your point... what do you believe in??
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@: galeni
@ Galeni: What do I believe in? Hmmm.. how about.. reality?

@ Tim Swain: OMGZ! waaat? You have outwitted me with your baseless accusation!!!
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Hey CockCrazyGirl,

Couple of questions for you. If you don't believe in God, cool. Your choice. If you hate Christians, ALSO cool, your choice there too.

But tell me this, why is it that folks like you, who don't believe in God or hate Christians, Feel The Need to belittle and degrade folks WHO do believe (or have found a faith that helps THEM get through this hard life)?

I mean, I don't like muslims much, character flaw, but I don't go out of my way to degrade them.

I can understand not believing in God, but is it really neccessary to hurt folks who do? Is it that you are simply one of those people who ENJOYS doing all you can to hurt others?

And if you Don't believe in God, what do you use to come to grips with your own morality? Just a "Whatever *I* want to do is alright" attitude?

If so, cool, but then if someone Else out there decides to physically hurt, rape, malign or demean You, you don't have much room to complain then, do you?

Hey, I am not trying to convert you, and I am not picking a fight. I just want to understand where you're coming from.

With respect,

Tobra
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@: October
Explain thie to ME.. why do CHRISTIANS think feel that they have to discriminate against people that they dont agree with.. like GAYS for example?.. maybe she judges you people for the same reason you a**holes judge everyone else. It doesnt feel to good being judged huh.
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Christians do not believe that you should discriminate against anyone you should love EVERYONE Gay people your enemy etc... God wants us to live our lives as an example of Love. In the bible it says that fornification is a sin. Fornification includes sex before marriage as well as Perverted thoughts and behaviors like incest and "homosexuality". However, homosexaulity is not so much looked at as a "lifestyle" but moreso as a sin that someone choses to continue to embrace in effect turning it into a lifestyle. I understand that homosexual people say that that is how they are and God made them that way. We all are born with our quirks some people are more inclined to steal, cheat, lie, etc.. but the problem comes when you choose to indulge in these behaviors without acknowledging that they are wrong.
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but wait...the Bible is a real book, i have seen one once... making it part of reality. does that mean?... no! it couldnt be...
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Harry Potter is a real book too, but that doesnt mean the contents are true... I personally don't know what to believe. I mean what if the Bible was just a fairy tale, such as twighlight, or harry potter, and got taken way too seriously. Some guy problably wrote it and made huge amounts of currency, yet didnt want to tell people it was fake. On the other hand, What if there IS a god and I have spent all my life trying to prove or disprove him... would I burn in hell for eternity for being confused?
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you're just living in reality as opposed to those religious fools who live in a dreamworld. Its totally normal to hate christians, every self respecting person does.
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Why would anyone want to hate? Its such a sucky emotion. But I can gaurantee u that Christians love you :) It is our religion to love others
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''Galeni: What do I believe in? Hmmm.. how about.. reality?''

wow that response was hilarious. And yeah, I hate them too.
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@: galeni
Don't hate the playa hate the game
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@: galeni
I don't hate religious groups, but i hate religion. If you think about it, so many bad things have been caused by religion such as, Holocaust, slavery, terrorism, and the KKK!
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@: galeni
You're an idiot. Christians (and all religious people) are stupid people, but, for the most part, they mean well. Hating the stupid is something stupid (but enlightened) people do. We are born with a certain intellect that cannot be improved. The same thing applies for ugly people and for people born into religon. It cannot be helped, and telling them they're stupid is both a waste of time and an expression of ironic enlightened ignorance. Sure you see through the faults of the bible, but your comprehension of human life and society is a joke. You lose. Good day sir.
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@: galeni
PSSHH THIS DUDE IS CRAZY!
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@: galeni
obviously you havent felt the peace that the holy spirit CAN give you. the only thing is you have to want it. maybe if you said a little prayer about something, anything that is bothering you, or if your in need, then the lord will hear you. you need to accept Him and experience God's glory. it a wonderful feeling. and yes faith does play a big part in living a christian life. it plays every part. quite frankly there is no christian out there that hasnt questioned the bible and its word. but basically jesus christ was OUR perfect sacrifice to save us from the stupid men that we are. even christians are stupid and we will admit it in church. we do stupid things, think stupid things, and say stupid things, but God forgives you. its all about faith baby. you gotta have it to make the walk your walking a whole lot better. and if you choose to believe something else then so be it, but you dont have to hate anybody for their beliefs. i can go on all day.....i feel sorry for you :(
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Somehow, I doubt Jesus would approve of your language, hypocrite.

Remember? Turn the other cheek.
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@: anubis
the truth is out there. tune in next week spidey fans
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I laugh at you, because here's a conundrum. I believe in Hinduism. Do I get to burn in Hell too? No, I don't. And neither do any other of the people in this discussion who are NOT Christian and who do NOT believe in Hell. If I were a Viking, one of the best in all the lands, but was a very greedy man, would I get to go o Hell? No, I get to go to Valhalla. We don't all get to spend a lovely eternity in Hell.
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oh wait, isn't revenge against the 10 commandments? so doesn't that make jesus a sinner, who is suppposedly the son of GOD? you have just experience contradiction, my friend. run along and make up a story that makes sense.
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what does the 10 commandments say about revenge? i know it mentions murder (not execution for crimes) but revenge from Jesus would seem to be punishment for breaking a law of God and not murder. i am not looking for someone to start being an asshole about this but rather someone who will assist me in a search for knowledge.
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jesus is god
god dont take revenges -.-
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hmm....so god created us huh............so you expect to go to heaven...all thos priests expect to go to heaven...they expect us non-believers to go to hell...well, since we all sinned, what fucking difference does it make? if i'm going to hell, so are you. it's simple as that. i don't believe in god. you believe, but yu use his name in "vain" by using it as a threat of us burning in hell. doesn't that make you no better than I? and god created us, supposedly. so making us burn for the rest of eternity seems a little dark, no?
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well considering that the bible also says you're supposed to love everyone, even 'sinners' than you calling someone a dumbass is certainly going agaisnt your own beleifs. also, the bible constantly talks about how no one but god can decide who is condemed and who is saved, so you have no place to say that another person will go to hell. by doing so you are trying to play the role of god, which is blasphemy, and blasphemy is also is also a sin, just as not beleiveing in god is. I personally do not aprove of christianity/God becouse i think it is one of the biggest roots of evil and cruelty , and i believe religion is the most dangerous weapon known to man. but even so, i choose to actually read up on other people's beleifs and customs and accept them for who they are, rather than bash them down for it. i think it's great that you have something you feel passionate about. we all need something to beleive in weather it be a religion, a better tomorrow, or even love. so don't beat somone down for what they beleive in.
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Ms_October
this is directed at Moonlighting AND the original poster.

Alright jackballs, so you don't believe in God, huh?

Okay, fine. You'll get no problem from me on that, this is a free country after all.

But WHY, original poster, do you say that you HATE CHRISTIANS? You don't believe in God, hey, it's your right. But why do you (Both) feel as though you have to demean and mock others for finding comfort in THEIR beliefs?

That's my problem with non-christians and people who dislike religion - they can't seem to leave others to have their beliefs in peace.

Lest anyone feel I am playing favorites, I ALSO cn't stand the really Zelous type of Christians who get all up in your face and ORDER you to believe the way THEY believe.

*I* am a Christian. I worship My God in My way. I don't flaunt it on street corners or go door to door bothering people but I believe and I can take comfort in that.

So why must *I* be hated simply because you, poster, don't share my faith? Is it maybe because the whole idea of religion and something greater than you is a threat to your ego?

You and Moonlighting - I don't Care if you believe in God, if you don't believe in God and think it is all so much bullshit, or if you sit in your bathtubs and worship watermellons - by candle light.

But please extend me the same consideration. Who/What *I* worship is none of your damned concern!

Tobra
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Tobra,

as a good christian you should stop throwing around so much hatred and the whole "damned" and "jackballs" - doesnt make for good civil conversations.

And I dont care what you believe: Santa Claus or Jesus or an amoeba...it's your call. Just as long as you dont try to make others feel inadequate cause they dont...go worship whoever you want. But let this be told: most christians are not like "oh i do my thang and i am a good person and i dont bother anyone". They DO bother everyone with their narrow-minded, bigoted worldview.

I mean look, because of a neo-con right wing religious party (that is using religious manipulative tactics) we have shit like we have now: judges against abortion, teaching unscientific crap like creationism in schools, wanting to mix church and state...

it makes me sick - makes me wanna throw up. And then you tell me "I" shouldnt talk hate?

I do believe in god, i just dont believe in organized religion. Religion is the disease, the cancer of this society. It has done more harm than good.
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ignorance is being sure of something you can't prove. works for both sides...
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I can't prove that there are *absolutely no hobbits or pink unicorns *somewhere in the universe.

Am i arrogant to say that, based on the evidence, they *probably do not exist?

I doubt so.
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Yeah, ok.... to EVERYONE, ok, what if God doesn't exist, then nothing would happen right? Christians would be wrong, but, what if some of you guys are wrong, and God does exist? What would happen? You would be judged wouldn't you? and were would you go?, I mean seriously, wouldn;t it be better to play safe?...Would you reallly risk yourself? ... I don't know, it;s just my opinion, but personally, I prefer to play safe :)
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SO your saying that everyone should force themselves to believe something that they think is wrong just to play it safe? One what religion is true? how do we know the Hindu religion isn't true? should we believe in monotheism of polytheism just to play it safe?

Now if I were judging someone on what they believe I would judge them on why they believe. What evidence they have for their beliefs and what evidence they have against their beliefs and why they decided that the facts they have, or believe they have, for their beliefs outweigh the facts against it.

Bottom line is if you believe what you believe for the correct reasons then whatever it is any kind of god out there should accept it. And if they don't then its a fucking douche bag god that doesn't deserve being worshiped. It'd be like me saying worship and praise me or I'll torture you to death over 50 years of non-stop torture. Would you think that's fair, just, and wise? No
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Reading through this post and the comments that came with it, the original poster brought up a valid point.

The Christian belief in God based on mythos in the bible is illogical, true, but as has been brought up, everyone has the right to believe what they believe and hate what they hate.

Alternatively, there are less hateful ways to say "I disagree with what you believe." and the ways discussed in this post and the comments above are childish and derogatory under the guise of logic and free speech.

Simply put, you guys are a bunch of babies. If something offends you, ignore it. If something sparks an interest in discussion, be civil. Basically, I'm seeing a bunch of namecalling and back-and-forth spats over who's right and who's wrong.

With that said, I'd like to point out that before I get set upon by the countless angry and disturbed, you are on the internet under a veil of anonymity. This is NO excuse to slam other people for their beliefs or creed. For example: Would you falsely yell "Fire!" in a crowded theatre? No, you wouldn't (unless, y'know, you're in to that sorta thing.) and you really never should, again, be respectful and civil.

Hopefully this entire discussion can get turned from a huge flamewar to a pleasant and civil debate.
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have you not read my commentry? I can say that I have debated in a very civilised manner!
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the bible is mostly symbolism, and ALL religions share the SAME Prophecy and symbols of, look up "the truth..." on youtube
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you my good friend have hit a bee hive with a hocky stick. yes it is true the allmost all who believe in a religion are fools. but you should not hate them for it. they are weak. they have been sold lies to make them selfs feal better. I know the conferts of god and there are great. it takes a very strong will the brake free from any cult and you should never get violent with the weak. pitty them and try to make there crazy dilutional time on earth as happy as posable.

but do please try and keep crazys out of the gov't.
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You can hate them, but they won't stop believing.
So let them be. If they come up to you and start pestering you, then do whatever you want. Shove some almighty evidence in their well-meaning faces or maybe punch them. Punch them HARD.
Ignorance is a scary thing. But depending on the situation, it can kill you or save you.
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If a person makes a leap of faith and embraces a religious doctrine, that is entirely different than IGNORANCE. Ignorance is the absence of knowledge. The question of spirituality is not concerned with which scientific equation is correct...which model of physics is used, Aristotelian, Newtonian or Einsteinian...but the average atheist seems to think it is. I see it again and again: to an atheist a religious person is just like a person who doesn't realize that atoms exist. Seems like a pretty easy to stroke one's own ego to me...
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The bad and the good come with everything. Sometimes you get the bad only, sometimes you gte the good only, and thats what christians are, maybe ignorant, maybe unrealistic but they like beleiving in something all good because all bad truly exists and maybe beleiveing in something thats only good gives some hope and other purpose and meaning and there I think that however hopefully that is if you can beleive in it than do.
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jus gotta believe in something totally wierd beyond this Earth. Like do u believe in aliens? maybe ghosts? or nothing?

I dunno i just think theres something totally crazy out there that goes beyond us hundreds of millions of years GOD. there is just sooooooooooo much we do not understand that there is a chance that GOD exists. Unless you believe that we are the only ones that exist in the entire universe and that Giraffes evolved in such a manner that they developed a rete mirabile to be able to drink water and regulate there blood pressure and created a sheath of skin in their lower limbs that works like a pilots g-suit so that their limbs dont explode under the tremendous pressure that their bodies create when they bend down to drink. pretty crazy giraffes

u know whats also crazy? we weren't the first to design rotary engines, the tinest rotation engine exists within every living organism to create energy. they are tiny molecules that actually produce torque. but it could be evolution, but maybe it could be intelligent design? meep.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2258763/posts
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i beleiv in aleans in the intire univers ther has got to be aleans sory about gramer im grogy
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ok guys have you ever thought that maybe it is a mix of science and religion. maybe aliens visited us(yes i believe intelligent life forms other than humans could have visited the earth) and the only way the ancient people could have described them is as gods. but like the pyramids the stones were cut so perfectly that a piece of paper could not fit in between the stones. there is a lot of evidence for this but it is still only a theory like atheism or Christianity. We truly have no idea how earth was created and even if we do figure it out i dont think everyone will believe even with all the evidence presented. most people dont appreciate me calling their gods aliens either
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I studied science and much of science has been able to prove a lot of the bible. Even a reason for the parting of the red sea. That said, most catholics are not taught to study the bible, because it can drive you batty. THen there are some religions that devote to much time to the study of it and it has been known to make mass murders. Religion is meant to be used as a moral guidepost and to many take it to drive others mad and use it for control purposes.
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Hahahaha you are in my mind dude I HATE CRISTAMS AND CRISTIANS i will see you in hell
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I think that the only way anyone can ever accept christianity is by experiencing god for themselves. people have done the "god" talk for centries without much of a diffrence ever coming of it. if you truly dont belive in christianty think of problem you have in your life at the moment, pray about it every day for the next month asking for gods help in that situation. if nothing changes then you have a right to turn away. without evenin trying to experince what you dont belive in then you can only sepeculate and never know the real truth.
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i am totally against you i dont understand how you could hate getting presents !its normal but try to enjoy it this year. knowing that someone hates christmas is really quite sad and i feel sorry for you .
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agreed
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We all will make our maker one day. Have you asked how humans got here? we know Darwin was wrong and by the end he didn%%u2019t believe in his theory either. no need to get all crazy about it dude, I can worship and who I want and don%%u2019t need idiots like you brand me or generalize me.
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i totally agree with you by the way
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Darwin didn't convert, dickfaces.
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If you are a true christian than you would love other people the same no matter what their beliefs are.

But i dont think you have to be a christian to have this view, personal values are more important than a religion.

I am not christian but my whole family is and the reason i initially did not want to be christian is that i found that some christians are hypocrites, some worse than non-christians, but believing that god loves them makes them feel like they can continue being hypocrites.

Since then i have stopped believing that there is a god but that does not mean that i believe in the big bang, although some people automatically jump to this conclusion, that is not the case.

I honestly believe that we will never find out what the correct belief is but i am highly positive that religion is not it.

Think of it this way, if you are a product of something, the thing that created you is obvously too complex for you to understand seeing as it created everything we know. Whatever it is, did not just create people, it created every matter known and unknown to man.

You would have to exist outside of our reality to be able to understand what it is that created us. Then comes the problem that if that created us what created IT?

And this will never be answered. If everything was created by something then there was never nothing, but there must have been nothing for there to then be something, right?

It just doesnt add up.

Think people. Don't take things you are told as fact. Think for yourself. I am not asking you to believe me, only asking you to take everything into consideration before making up your mind.

I believe the scientists persuing the answer is a good thing as it helps us to understand as much as we can about everything in the process, but i do believe we will hit a brick wall.

thanks for reading and i am happy to read any replies whether they agree or disagree.

tony
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Speaking your beliefs is fine... but openly insulting other people for their beliefs is definitely not fine. I would say that hating Christians is definitely not normal considering the entire Christian religion is based on serving others, and making the world a better place. Sorry to rain on your parade.
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I agree wih you. Many Christans are to uptight.
All the while I am Christan and belive in what I do, I would never plan my life.

Infact, I sin more then I do anything.

Ignorance my be scarey, but it is also bliss.
I am not hateing you for disslikeing my religion, I mean, I have been friends with a Devil worshiper and we got along swimmingly.

I may belive Jesus died to save me, But I do not blame you for you're hate.
You have every right to hate me for my belives.
But do not le your hate blind you to the point were if you had once gotten along with someone very well, then they tol you they were Christan, you would hate them only for their ignorance in faith.

Religion is not needed for life, it is only needed for hope.
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and i almost forgot to say, the earth was formed by a massive astaroid smashing in to the planet we call earth and it made a massive amount of heatthat made massive volcanos and so forth. as it turns out the next asaroid that hit earth contained tiny life cell organisms that turned in to a type of under water moss then things evolved and here we are to day. there was also water on the astaroids.

post to etmuir@googlemail.com if u want to talk
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The fact that this post has gone on for so long is some crazy shit. I'm Jewish, but I DONT HATE Christians. I respect them. But I do see were you (the original poster of the question) is comming from. I just think that EVERYONE shouldn't be so serious about this and about religion. People have different views. And if you dont agree with the; Oh well, that sucks for you. THERE IS NO NEED TO HATE ANYBODY!
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shut it
u beleive in hokus pokus alah
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see people are trying to say that we should not hate, yet what is your defintion of hate, its an opinion for god sakes, we do not need not pacsifist telling us above love and shit. its not like were mean 2 christians. we just despise their religion. they may be a good person or have a great personality. im friends with christinas. all im saying is if u hate christinas its more the religion then the person. got it?
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Meh,.. i agree with you.. christians annoy me, in the bible there is no such thing as dinosaurs.. yet we have bones to proove thier existance, they are just like any other person, not happy unless they have something to believe in, and keep them going. i do Not believe god is real.. yet, i still say stuff to the sky as if he is :/
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Prejudice.
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I dont have to listen to your opinion about christians being stupid because I too belive in GOD.
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i'm loling so hard right now because there are so many posts that i bet iff you add up the total time spent typing all this it would be more than 24 hours and also that the is it normal thing is 50 50. I even wonder if this comment will ever be read. also, my opinion on religion stuff is it's just something people do and that we choose what to believe in and that i've noted that usually athiests that hate christians are usually teens, since when i was teen i was all" oh im so athiest and i hate christians and all other religions" but now i have faith but am not christian dunno i think there's some god that makes everything go as a coordinated plan and stuff. also only people from mainstream religions say that other people are wrong and they're right and it's always funny. dagnabbit i posted a long comment too. :/
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haha. Your legend.
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amen sister.
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and one quick question I would like to ask... I was reading the bible and coming straight out of the bible cain killed abel and god punished cain by banishing him to wander the earth alone. And since cain and abel were the sons of adam and eve, the only 2 people on the earth at the time that makes 4 people on earth total.

In genesis 4:13 it says "Cain replied to the Lord, 'My punishment is greater than I can bear. For you have banished me from my farm and from you, and made me a fugitive and a tramp; and everyone who sees me will try to kill me."

So my question is... who is the "everyone" cain is referring to? Sounds pretty contradictory to me... im not stabbing at christians... its just one of the few questions i have with the bible...
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"and one quick question I would like to ask... I was reading the bible and coming straight out of the bible cain killed abel and god punished cain by banishing him to wander the earth alone. And since cain and abel were the sons of adam and eve, the only 2 people on the earth at the time that makes 4 people on earth total.

In genesis 4:13 it says "Cain replied to the Lord, 'My punishment is greater than I can bear. For you have banished me from my farm and from you, and made me a fugitive and a tramp; and everyone who sees me will try to kill me."

So my question is... who is the "everyone" cain is referring to? Sounds pretty contradictory to me... im not stabbing at christians... its just one of the few questions i have with the bible..."

Why can't "everyone" mean the other 3 people that existed?

Plus it's not a far fetch to speak of the people that were born after this incident. "Be fruitful and multiply" would seem to suggest that there would be more people.
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Unfortunetly this does seem to be the normality these days, hate. It seems pretty judgemental to hate an entire group of people for actions of the "bad apples".

I've always been into learning about the different religions other then my own, I am a Christian,not the kind to force any of my beliefs on anyone who doesn't agree with my beliefs, I'm somewhat is religious in that that I go to church,I pray, and celebrate the Christian holidays but though I read the Bible I don't 100%% go by it. And yet as I believe in God I also believe in Evolution and the ways of science. I'm not the only one some modern Orthodox Jews view evolution and the story of Genesis as compatable, some believe the 7 days as not literally "days" but perhaps on the lines as millions of years. And though science can show the ways on how Life came to be but not the beginnings of well everything.

Science has the "Big Bang" theory while Judeo-Christian beliefs also have the "Creation" theory, but each has its own "holes" so to say.

The Big Bang theory says the Universe came into being when dust and debris in the middle of nowhere exploded. Really imagine nothing in existence at all and suddenly there's dust...where'd the dust/debris come from?

Everything comes from something....
God perhaps...course I didn't leave this one out either again nothing in existence if God is real where did He come from?

So in truth I don't think any of us will ever truly know but if one believes in God or a god that's fine as long as you don't try to shove God into everyone's face, and if you don't believe in God or a god then that's ok too just don't do with fundamentilist Christians do and shove it in people's faces otherwise you're no more better or less ignorant then they are. Trust me I know some things just wouldn't work I know a fellow Christian who out right told me he believed dinosaurs and humans lived at the same time. What the fuck this isn't the Flintstones...I didn't tell him that I should have but I didn't.

I'm not that crazy but I do believe that science and God could one way or another helped each other create the Universe and life and the way things are whether you believe in that or not is up to you. Or whether you believe in God or not is also up to you but I just don't believe that you're wrong or right if you do or don't.
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the dust came from non mater its bin proven that non mater can be turned in to mater wich opens up the idea that theres multiple demenchions
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Okay, I've mosied my little comment down here, and if you're reading this, yay! Anyway, i cannot help but lol inside at the mountain of comments that give points of views here, only because it's hilarious how people seem to love giving their opinion about religiousness. More importantly...

HAS ANYONE EVEN NOTICED HOW THE QUESTION DOESN'T ASK IS IT NORMAL AT ALL, HE'S JUST GIVING HIS POINT OF VIEW ON CHRISTIANITY?!
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Also, eventually people should just find a new post of about christians and post there, instead of here, where it would take me two hours to read all these opinions, making most of them worthless. Allthough it is fun to be spiteful about something. It's a great way to blow off some steam. Unless you're taking things too seriously and actually making yourself HATE THEM MORE.
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Golly gee, I'm at school typing comments instead of researching potato chips. I smell soap, and it kinda smells like lotion/cool whip
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hahaha well said. it is completely normal lol.. REALITY FTW!!! :D
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@ everyone
in the end people are gonna believe what they wanna believe. and believe me when i tell you that i will send my gangster ass friend to rape all of you. just giving you a heads up.
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well u say theirs non proof that its right ,fine you can have your own opinion,but it has never been proven wrong,not being preachy or anything just saying,and there are far more ridiculous religions than that, like Scientology.
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I totally agree that they CAN be an annoying bunch of blokes. I DO go to church, so technically I guess I AM one, at least in name, tho not much into practicing it. Guess that makes me a hypocrite.

But... Moses did not turn the sea into blood. It was supposed to be the Nile river. He later, with God's help supposedly, parted the Red (or Reed) Sea, but it was NOT blood, just water. From what I've seen on the History channel, there could have been a natural explanation for these events. But if you find Bible miracles hard to believe and accept, then don't. It is a free country, at least where I live. And even if you don't live in one, no one can really force you to believe something you don't want to... yet. No one has really mastered total mind-control, so far. They may, someday. (Hope NOT!)

But hating Christians, or anyone else for that matter, is a big waste of time and energy. Get a life, sweety! Best of luck!
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dude i totally agree with you.
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Why do u hate Christians? We don't hate u for a living a life you want. You should not hate Christians but hate their actions.
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For anyone to believe a god or higher power existed before anything else is like believing that that it is more likely for a pefectly formed sandcastle to form on a beach first rather than a random deposit of sand and and other elements scattered on the shore. How is it more logical to believe a all powerfull being with cognitive thinking and mistical powers was here first rather than a random and chaotic universe formed by chance.
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Mutt22....i like the way you think!
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GEE! their myths! us christians don't actually belive them! its a part of religion! We listen to the stories, because the make us think. They have a little thing called MORALS.
Gee, we christians aren't all lke ned flanders!
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lol (knockout) I am a Christan as well, but i dont seem to get the message. Besides unnecissary vulgarity. I have face to face delt with many Atheist, who were very educated and strong nonbelievers, but what we dont have on this website is Respectful Atheists. There is a better way to exress your feeling without lashing out over people who are different from you.
My point is it takes maturity and understanding to cope with people who are different from you, and it is apparent we dont have anyone on this page filling those shoes.

My advice for all the disrespectful "nonbelievers" agree to disagree, many would say that is the best way to go about our diffrences. Try takeing a step back and look at the Bigger picture. The world would be much better if we all get along. Think about it.

and immature comments back to this post wont ruffle my feathers so refrain yourself. Peace be with you. :)
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ive never found the same good feeling out of christmas since when i was 13 my parents didnt get me anything and nobody else did because are relatives normally dont. our christmas tree literally didnt change at all from the night before and I was crushed. all that I got was a pull up bar and thats no fun. now that think about it i really hate christmas, just because of they one year. but i miss all the good times. FML.
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Well, i am christan, i do not hate any other group. It's just a way to guide our lives like any other religeon. I mean even i have to laugh at some of my fellow belivers...."satan should punish you!" "sex is not pure!" everything has its limits...
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haha that is funny...

Oh, sex is more DEFINITELY pure, and most DEFINITELY worth it. lucky for us we get to experience it fully, shamelessly and wonderfully, eh? xD

Only in the context of a lawful marriage, of course.
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It sounds like you are talking about christian fundamentalists- the "insane" ones who act fanatical and take every word of the bible literally. Some types of christians are pretty reasonable and smart. Many believe that god and science ARE compatible, are tolerent of others and believe in the core concepts of the bible rather than taking it literally. I believe in the messages of biblical stories but don't take them as historical fact. Like most all religions, christianity includes valuble moral guidelines that help us live virtuous lives however when it is taken too literally it can actually be detrimental to its followers and society in general. Don't "hate" all christians- just hate the ones who misuse christianity's teachings.
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well im a christian or atleast i believe in god but i dnt go to church and tbh never read more than a paragraph of the bible

if u belive in evolution then think about this ok the explosion that started it all off how did it happen? find the answer ok how did that get there? if u cn find any answer beyond tht jus got to say again wat made that then and tbh the only way that can be proven is by saying something has always bin there that made it all happen
so ur saying GASSES (only real thing it can make is fire) and shit making an explosion by accident making the universe is more believeable than something (god) always been there all powerful and able to create life?
ur saying gas is more believeable of making life than an all powerful being? yeahhhhhhhh good one
i aint pushing u to belive in my beliefes but tbh even the most powerful people in the world (president and all tht) believe in god i aint saying tht them believeing in god makes it so but come on seriously u can believe in god and b a christian dont mean u ave to live difrently
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The Judeo-Christian religion is derived from Zoroastrianism, one of the first Monotheistic religions. All three of them come under suspicion when a common test is put to them - do the results look suspiciously like what the ruling party or class accepts as the truth? They do look suspicious, because they show a warlike, vindictive, jealous male as the most powerful force in the universe. This god is the creation of a violent, sexist species. Many Christians defend their religion as important, since it imparts moral values to society. This is false. Moral codes almost identical to that of Christianity's existed before and outside of the Judeo-Christian context - they are derived from our ability to imagine bad things happening to ourselves or our experience of bad things happening to members of our social in-groups. True believers lack a real sense of morality, since they follow the commands of their religion out of fear of punishment or interest in reward. If they were truly moral people, they would do good for the sake of good. The idea that we could be doomed to punishment for transgressions has appeal, since injustice rankles. However, the idea of what is transgressive varies widely from culture to culture. Many Christians are good people, not hateful. That is because they are not very Christian. Many are not real Christians, since polls show that a whopping 76% of Americans who self-define as "believing in god" also believe that other religions may be valid and there are "multiple paths" to heaven. Sorry that I don't have the research, but you can look it up easily. This is nice, since it means they're not all as bad as one might think. It does mean that they are not really Christians, since Jesus clearly stated that he was the only true way. They are what we like to call "Ala Carte" Christians, taking what they want and leaving the rest. Hey, it's better than the strictly biblical, who are commanded to do all sorts of horrible and evil things alongside the kindly and moral ones.
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dont hate christians, pitty them. Very few religons started through dishonest means, but more through educated society lieing to protect and give joy to the poorer members of society. such as jews not eating pork as before hygyine was understood through bacteria people could not effectivly tell what food was dangerous and what wasnt so when educated people saw that pork made people sick more often then other foods they told lower society that pork was not to be eaten as god said so, because they had no proof but knew it to be true.
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If you'd actually read that thing, you'd note that people would have to do many horrible things right alongside the decent ones. Besides, Christians don't follow the bible. They are typically characterized by hypocrisy.
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Hey...I'm evangelic but I do also not belive all those stories of the bible and I also do not believe that Jesus revived...but I think not every christian has such a strong faith as you say..you're kind of crazy...met the wrong people or something like that...

PS.: sry for my english, I'm from Germany :P
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Interesting the the title is "I hate Christians". The whole premise starts out very weak. Who can hate a group of people for no real reason. You don't have to believe what Christians do and in fact Christians are taught not to force their faith on anyone.
If everyone lived according to the 10 commandements the world would be a much better place. You don't have to be Cgristian to understand that.
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chillout man its what we believe in... take it easy
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I'm CD
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It's interesting - you say "They plan out their entire lives, according to rules set by a kooky, ancient book of mythos."

But you have nothing to back up that it isnt true- and in fact there have been signs and miracles proof that there is a greater being taking care of us. aka GOD

And the so called ancient book , think of it as a text book...you believe there was slavery over 300 years ago? But why? all you have ever seen as proof would be pictures in books - yet you beleive that it happened...
just something to think about-

and to hate the whole group - only hurts you.. if anything you could respect someone else's belief,- and if any christian has hurt you and thats why you hate them then try and forgive and move on- not all christians force the Bible down your throat- some really know how to love and shine God's light rather than make people feel guilty and terrible for their sins- that's not what God is about- He wants to love unconditionally and thats about it. all we do is receive his love and live our life. He saved me from depression and sadness and He has blessed me with air to breath and a place to live. What more could you ask for?
Don't mean to offend anyone! just wanted to say a couple things
<3
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Listen. I am an atheist. I was born into Christianity. I know what I am talking about. And the bible doesn't make sense. We are supposed to believe in a "good" god who wants us to burn in Hell if we sin? Yeah. Great guy. And the fossil records prove that our Earth is millions of years old, much older than the bible says it is. I am not a Christian Hater. I am very open to all religions. But when ever I say I am atheist, it's like I just admitted to being Satan. I feel that this is wrong and offensive. If I don't tear down your beliefs, what right does that give you to tear down mine? And to the people above who want to " pray for my soul so that God may have mercy". That was incredibly rude. And in the Bible it says Thou Shalt Not Judge. How much of a hypocrit(dont know if I spelled tha one right) do you have to be, to say that we should believe your religion, and then not follow one of the major points in your own? I have made this decision, and I am happy with it. Evolution can be explained. Religion cannot, according to factual data. Fossil records and whatnot jaw disproven religion many times over. This is what I believe, and I will not tell any person to share my beliefs. Just as I would request that they not preach to me. Thank you for your time.
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well that's not very nice. . im christian. well what DO you believe in?? out of curiousity
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RB why is it not very nice? Does it offend you? I don't understand why people of any religion can get offended when people speak against their beliefs because they clearly aren't true. Also christians are cunts.
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those comments werent neccesary and were disrespectful

*get a life hater*
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Your "just because you believe something, that doesn't make it true" statement can also be applied to this situation. Just because you believe there is no god, doesn't prove anyone else right or wrong. At least open your mind a little...
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"If I were a betting man, I would bet on the existence of God" -Paschal
If you believe in God, and follow him, at the end of time you have everything to gain.
If you turn away from him and deny his love, If he happens to be real, you will burn eternally.
If this is something that for sure cannot be proven, why arn't you being smart about it?
what could u lose by believing in God?
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As Karl Marx said "Religion is the opium of the people"

Religion and believe in 'god' will keep humanity backwards and drive us away from change and progress.

The people must be told that no imaginary deity controls are destiny we do.

Great Leader Comrade Kim Il Sung said with the Juche Idea, that we humans are the masters of everything and should shape our own destiny.

"...man is the master of everything means that he is the master of the world and of his own
destiny; that man decides everything means that he plays the decisive role in transforming the
world and in shaping his destiny." Great Leader Comrade Kim Il Sung

Christianity has only been around for 2 thousand years. The Immortal Juche idea and Marxist-Leninist thought will last for over ten thousand years

LONG LIVE THE IDEAS OF GREAT LEADER COMRADE KIM IL SUNG

MANSE!!!

LONG LIVE DEAR LEADER COMRADE KIM JONG IL

MANSE!!!

LONG LIVE THE JUCHE IDEA

MANSE!!!
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STFU
Your a fucking hypcrite. Juche IS a religion, no different than christianity. ALL religions are the same, theyre just MYTHIC NONSENSE!!!
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No Juche is not a religion you stupid reactionary.

Juche is a offshoot of Marxist-Leninism.

I know many of the west accuse Juche of being a religion but that is unfounded. It is a political movement NOT a religion.

Juche is a Marxist philosophy which is derived from the teachings of Leninism, Stalinism and Maoism.

So if you call Juche a religion you may as well call Leninism, Stalinism, Taoism, Maoism and practically all other forums of Communism 'religion', Which would be absolute stupidity.
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I haven't gone through all the comments so someone may have already posted what I am about to type. You say Moses turned the sea to blood and then later parted it. Well, he did not turn the sea to blood, it was a river. He did part the sea though.
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There's no proff there is or isn't a god. Science hasn't explained how the whole universe was created. No one can fully know for sure so just shut up. Just because u have your beliefs doesn't mean you can hate people who are different. That's very ignorant and low. You are a low life scum
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For your information, this where your faith does come in. In the bible I says faith is believing without evidence. Faith is believing without seeing. Regardless of what you think is true and believe, God still loves you. We live in a sinful world and everything is contradicted. Just know what God loves you and will always love you. He gave his own life for you, so you could be forgiven. If you need solid proof of this, their is proof. Dig deeper. Praying for you ;)
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Why are you just bashing Christians?? Is it just convienant for you? Why not bash all religions. They go by blind faith also. You are such a hater.
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All the modern day 'religions' are controlled by aliens.

We should all go back to worshiping the Greek, Roman, Egyptian and Norse Gods, man.
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liltdawg
You're hypocritical by saying you hate all Christians. You believe that all Christians look to their religion because they truly take the Bible literally? Hasty generalizations make you just as bad as they are. I'm non religious, but all world religions are founded on the basis of reducing selfishness and serving others. It's fine to say yo
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u "hate" radical, fundamental Christians, not all Christians. Also, do you hate Muslims, Jews, Hindi, and all adherents of all world religions? How come Christians get the special spot?
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I'll pray for you !!!!!!
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@babykyy
Prayer doesn't solve anything, action solves things. And why won't christians like you understand? I know that not all Christians are like you, thank god. No pun intended. But seriously, where do you get off calling my religious choice wrong? I've never bluntly called you wrong! Were god to make an appearance before me, or send me a divine warning, I would change my ways, but so far, with so much evil in the world... Where is he? Why does your god want children to die before their time? Why should there be so much war, and famine, and death, when God could solve it with just a day of work? If a God is Willing to stop evil, but not able, he is not omnipotent. If he is able but unwilling, he is malevolent. If he is neither willing nor able. He is nonexistent. If there is a god, he is a sore underachiever. Religion has been the base of many great wars. Stephen Hawking. Albert Einstein. Thomas Edison. Woody Allen. Karl Marx. These are all the names of famous atheists, and how often has there been a war fought over the lack of belief? The united states was founded upon the ideals of freedom, and that includes religious freedom. Why did atheists get left out. And touching back on pascal's wager. I can't change my beliefs like that. Besides, that would be lying, which is against the bible. And yea I've read the bible. Most atheists have. Hep does it feel to be intelligently told off by a pubescent lad?

Sincerely,
The Theoretical Atheist
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AAAAAMEN
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Hmmmm..well, saying that action is the only way to change things pretty much slaps human race right in the face. Way to go. "praying" is being in a spirtual state with you and your God. Whether or not he is real it helps you cope with your emotions and choose realavent answers and to not assume things about christians that aren't true. Once again I say check yourself before you make public protests about religion.
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The irony of your statement amuses me. Amen. I have no god. Haha, you're pretty funny :)

I have checked myself. Prayer may be beneficial to a single person at a single time, buy ultimately it clouds the mind and further reinforces thenidea of a deity. More wars have been fought on the basis of religion than anything else. We are all fighting to prove who has the better imaginary friend.

I have nothing against Christians, my best friends are Christians. More often than not, the christians I mention will be the stereotypical Christians who try to convert me on a daily basis. Those people I cannot stand, and I hope they burn in Hell for being so judgemental, and unaccepting. All I ask, is that Christians keep themselves in check, and be respectful. I understand that you feel we mock your beliefs. And some of us do. But that is only because Christians mock and attack atheists more than anybother theistic person. I have yet to meet a buddhist or Hindu who has tried to convert me or mock my lack of religion. Please understand, we just want to be normal people and live lives free from prejudice and unfounded hate. But Christians just won't let us be free. I know, not all of you Christians are like that. But some of you are. More than 10 percent of the world has identified itself as nontheistic, so you'd better get used to it. Why did atheists get left out of the religious freedom of the united states? One more thing. The USA is a godless country. It has no set religion is what I mean. So why do we print "In God We Trust" on our money? It doesn't make sense, and seems to go against the very foundation on which our country was formed, freedom from oppression.


Sincerely,
The Theoretical Atheist
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I agree, that's a good point.
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Listen, I want
to argue against a few of christianity's most popular arguments, pascal's wager, and the argument from creation in just a few words. Pascal's Wager: it states that if they(christians) are wrong, they lose nothing, but if I am wrong, I lose everything. Why should I pick a god based on the punishment he can dish out?there are many religions, most with their own form of punishment, so what if you are wrong? You will wallow in their Hell. And now the argument from creation: it basically states that there is no way that the universe happened by chance, as it is too complex. Well the simple argument is this. Complexity does not warrant a designer. Simple as that. Just look at the clouds, or the stars and you will see what I mean. These are some of the most beautiful and complex things, but they were created naturally. You see that Christianity? Your two most beloved theories were just (peacefully) debunked by an atheist 14 year old boy.

Sincerly,
The Theoretical Atheist
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Regarding Pascal's wager, it is most logical to believe in and/or worship the god(s) or goddess(es) whose punishments for failure to believe in them and/or worship them are the harshest. I have heard that many of the Norse gods are some of the most violent. Allah is also extremely violent. And since Christians are always going on about how their god is so loving, it is probably most logical to worship Thor or Allah.
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ayyetayy
I'm sorry you feel that way.
But GOD still loves you!! :)
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I LOVE the hypocrisy and intolerance in this post. You despise ignorance, and yet this is just one antic display of it. You even felt the need to formulate some twisted line of reasoning to back your point. OP, in all honesty, it's people like you who represent a lot of the problems in our society. You are the very epitome of ignorance, disliking an entire group of people for their beliefs. I think you need a few more decades to mature.

@ Sherman80: Unfortunate, but too true.

@ Starkmanfan28: I completely agree.
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Wow...Neopythagorean...you're a complete dumbass...
And way to stereotype an entire group of people. It's not like we're all the same.
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Well, I'm a little bitter since I've been discriminated against by christians from an early age (I was born a jew--one of the few in these parts). And now that I'm an adult, I'm constantly catching crap from christians because I'm a mason. Do you know how many times I've been called a "devil worshipper" or even a "reptilian" by these christians?!! About three weeks ago, some redneck christian threw a chili-dog out his car window at me (ruined my overcoat) while yelling "you need to get saved!". Dude, I need to get saved from the christians, if anything!
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Neopythagorean has issues. But I do agree with some of the things he said. way too much of our society is based off of Christianity which isn't fair to us non-Christians. The fact that I have to celebrate Christmas year after year because it's a societal tradition is beyond me. Holidays like Passover and such are left to the Jewish community, why can't Christmas or Easter? I disagree with the fact that governmental laws are based off of Christian beliefs such as abortion and gay marriage.
Starkman just proved the posters point of believing in "hope" and relying on it.
There's no reason why some God should exist and why a person should be condemned to hell for not obeying the bible and repenting their sins. You Christians only believe in God because somebody told you to do it and convinced you of some magical force called faith.
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You are the devil walking on earth!
(666)
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I totally agree with you. Religious fanatics are idiots. What a waste of time, Everytime I drive by a church on Sunday and see people there I think to myself, you stupid fools, this is getting you NOTHING! I'm glad there are others who hate these dumbasses too.
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It seems we have reached some sort of agreement. Was fun while it lasted though.
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Agreed
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What about the roses falling from the sky and why comments so long
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Are baptists Christians? Cuz I don't like baptists(no offence if u r one).
And wassup with the long comments??
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I hate it how you generalize all of us Christians. And it's not a bloody sea, it's the red sea, thats the name hence "parts the red sea"
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I think this is not the smartest decision.. God is real.. If you are gonna believe that He isn't.. Will you at least read a book called "Heaven is For Real" by todd burpo.. It may change your perspective..
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13273698
It doesn't matter your God called and said your going to Hell anyways!
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paepae11
Oh come on, think about all the miracles Jesus performed!!!!
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giftgab19
U know what? At least us christans know where we are going! We are not better in anyway! Jewish cristans are being saved first because thats what jesus was and the first one hundred diciples! Then the christans! But you dont need to share this infermatoon with us okay! I am a jewish christan!
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Religious people are so funny.
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If you believe in the big bang theory you must also understand the first cause, the big bang theory suggests that a chemical reaction was sparked and set off a explosion that created every universe including ours. The big bang theory has basically been scientifically true, what hasn't been proven is what caused the the chemical reaction to spark the big bang, the big bang actually backs up the Christian faith. The "Faith" of the modern day "god" based religion is the Faith (belief) in that of witch that the first cause was in fact a God or Gods as far as Christianity goes christianity is any one that believes that Jesus was in fact the Not only the son of god but was both god in he form of a human. You speak of biblical references from the old testament. The old testament was written in parables. Parables helped people understand what god intended for us. There are also different levels of biblical understanding, There are four levels of understanding. You under stand the literal meaning, children understand literal meanings.... So yes if you want more info txt me at 1(859)492-9289
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BellaBoo22
I may be a Christian, but I understand where you are coming from. I wouldn't believe it either today if those events happened. But it is what we believe in.
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Im christian myself and i AGREE! (im a quiet christian) as in, i never talk about religiona and i literally respect EVERYONE. if you dont believe in christianity and you hate, ok..lol idc im fine and its your opinion, right? So i respect your idea. And im serious..most of my fellow christians need to stfu and calm dowwn
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Everyone does.
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I hate than to my grandmother is Christian and she takes it very seriously poor old woman, Christians are idiots I love my grandma but she is an idiot, one time I had to go to Church with her not because I wanted to tho and just looking at all the people believing in a fake person made me sick what has this world come to??
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No that's not effin normal.. Y do u even care.. Keep ur dumb ass comments to urself
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wonderful360
Well if u say that can't wait for u to go to hell
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Belief is not a matter of reality. Faith makes nothing real. It's the concept
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GOD is not a sadistic fabricated being. GOD is very special and HE is also very beautiful and I love HIM with all I have inside of me. I think it is sad that many people do not believe. HE believes in you. I fear death like anyone else and I certainly don't want to pass away at 22 years of age or at a young age period, but when I do die I hope and pray that HE greets me on the other side with loving, open arms and tells me to come home. I also hope the same for you and everyone else.
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JESUS is real and so is GOD. I hope to go to paradise when I pass away and I genuinely hope you discover the truth and go to paradise yourself also. Just because you can't see HIM doesn't mean HE is not there. Come to JESUS my dear. It is the only way to everlasting life in the afterlife. I pray I see you there.
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This is a message for you fellow Christians:
As a Christian you are supposed to love your neighbor! Even if they hate you, put you down, or don't believe what you believe. Jesus basically said times would be tough for us. But what are we supposed to do? I think we have an answer for that too! It is from Jesus himself! Turn the other cheek. When you put other people down for what they believe, you turn them off and make them want to fight back! We want to help them see the truth, not hurt them. Love them, don't hate them, that is not gonna help at all! Please, be a good Christian and help them out of the darkness and into the light!
God Bless You!
Love,
A fellow Christian
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people can't always be honest on the internet, that is a fact. if you say mine iq isn't 140, i can say the same about yours. maybe its 60, who knows. you can't always be on top of the iq list, thats life. this isn't arrogance. it's proving to you iq doesn't mean everything. because according to your statement that higher iq means you're right, you've already lost the war. who invented the big bang theory? stephen hawking. and for your information, my iq isn't 140. i just recently took a professional iq test, and proved it to be 149. also, 110 is barely above world average. the chinese average is 110 . i am born there, and you would be considered under-average there.
hope all you want. hoping someone grows up to be a failure is an obvious sign of jealousy. also, it seems people like to call anyone "better" than them "arrogant". if that is the case, you were being arrogant yourself by shownig off your "high" iq of 110. judging by your reaction to my higher iq, i highly doubt you "don't care". and about myself becoming a failure, i'm afraid for you that is not true. i am able to put up an argument with far less fallacies and contradictions compared to you. This alone gives me better chances, however slightly, than you of suceeding.
also, my arguments on this page alone should show you just how high my iq is. from the way you present your arguements, i can safely say that either your iq is lower than 110, or you have a severe temper/ego problem.
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Totally AGREED !!
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just because you were born into a religion, it doesn't mean you can't get out of it. many people don't even KNOW they can, while the option is open to them the second they turn 18. depends on the parent, sometimes whenever the kid wants to. besides, theres so such things as a religious child. a child does not have the capability to completely comprehend and decide which religion they are. you can only say "that is the child of a christian," not "that is a christian child,"
A person who completely denies his religion, but refuses to abandon it, is not truely denying his religion. If you TRUELY accept science at it's best, one cannot truely believe god nor creationism and the same time as science.
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Hi all =D
I'm a Muslim. Many believe that muslims have something against christians. Nah..! I dont mind them. they are just living their lives and they are the closest reliegion to Islam. Only with a difference that they believe in three, where as we believe in only one.
True, their books might be wrong. But the first ever book given to them were correct!
And dear, you got some facts wrong. Moses [ peace be upon him ] never changed the sea into blood. True, with a touch of a staff he divided into two in order to make a path for them to escape the swords of the infidel pharaoh who Allah drowned later.
In reality every prophet taught the same religion. But the later generations twisted it. Only Islam remained protected since its the last of them. And its real faith will remain protected to those who seek it with true hearts. End of the world is approaching, living Islam is becoming tough. But the smell of heaven is closer! =D
True girl, ignorance is a scary thing.. save your self and just think about everything and Islam. You will find that they aren't that bad after all. =D
PS: i dare you to read the Quran/Koran and think!
and plus.. check this out. Stop questioning, and just think! http://www.beconvinced.com/
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"I dont mind them. they are just living their lives and they are the closest reliegion to Islam."

so I guess you only mind the people who have a religion very different from Islam?
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I don't know what to believe anymore. I do know that I don't want to be part of any church that exists today. Religion is focused too much on homosexual agenda, and abortion, etc. The downfall started with Anita Bryant and it snowballed into hell. I do beleive in a God ,or a being that we cannot explain. I just don't beleive in the same God as Pat Robertson, or Jerry Falwell. I ve never seen so much robbery and hate in me life!!
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I don%%u2019t hate Christians, but I believe that religion is ruining the world. I pity Christians; they stay all their lives with a passionate need for eternal authority and guidance, pretending not to trust their own judgment.

The fervent fundamentalist whether Protestant or Catholic, Jew or Moslem is closed to reason and even communication for fear of losing the security of childish dependence.

You%%u2019re bible is nothing more than rich powerful men on an ego trip, holier than thou corruption and violence (because violence is only ok if Christians use it, God commands ONLY Christians have the right to kill, mame and defile.) You see the type of mind frame these fundamentalists have? Even though there were many different religious beliefs before theirs and many new ones to follow; they are the only ones that are correct and they MUST use force and then they will get to go to heaven?

Christians are the most evil people alive; the ones that follow the bible fully. The ones that pick and chose parts of it because they think it makes them a %%u2018good person%%u2019 are just hypocrites and dullards. The bible is one of the most dangerous books in our existence, and it%%u2019s Christian%%u2019s chimpanzee part of the brain falling for all of this.
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@: Eloka
AHAHAHAAAAA
yet another person that deserves a so called "heaven" way more than the christian idiots.
im bored with no good debates goin on so ima make a list of ppl who are very gud at this =D
list of very smart atheists and deists:)
mirir2
pringletot
pringletot2
c*ckCrazyGirl4Life
PooLTOY
samwise
lixzone(who happens to be my brother)
meatcurtain
and don't forget WildChildTDC :)
and the countless more who are trying to rid this world of ignorance
list of smart theists who still has hope:
lotsofjunk
list of plain dumbass idiots that you shouldn't even try to debate with:
sungirl (who actually has trouble copying a name and spelling it right. rmb her, pringletot?)
DoctorZip
list of the top threads for god debates on isitnormal:
http://isitnormal.com/people/WildChildTDC/comments/
and of course this one :)
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yes perfectly normal. I hate christians too. In fact I hate almost everyone. Americans, Muslims, Christians.

Yes Muslims top the list. but the Christians are only a millimeter behind followed by Americans.
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They all suck. Everytime a behavior turns to addiction, and it is safe to say that all religions are drugs (or as Marx called it the "opiate of the masses") - it's bad news. Being a fanatic is never good.

Most people are religious for a few reasons

1) by default - cause that's something that you just grew up doing and cause the idea of this all having been created by no divine intervention seems...strange (note: most uneducated people think like this)

2) you want salvation and rewards and are scared of consequences if you dont do A, B, C (i.e. people are good cause they wanna be rewarded afterwards and not burn in hell...)

Come to think of it: i must laugh at the idea of a whole species of humanoids that have achieved amazing things technologically actually thinking that there is a hot, bad place that will torture you at some point when you depart, if you havent been a good christian/muslim,jew...that's just stupid. Why not then also say that the Earth is flat...it's exactly the same thing.
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@ bittersweet

You said that the only thing that is the same between religion and science is that they both dont have any proof.

But there is proof.

First off God created science so there isnt any competitipn between the two.

Like i said before. The proof, is bible prophecy.

The bible said that isreal would become a nation in a single day. Well, that happened On may 14th 1948. 62 years ago today.

The bible also says that in the the future we will not be able to buy or sell without the mark of the beast. This means we would live in a cashless society. Today credit cards or debit cards is the prefered payment.

It says in the bible that the word of god will last forever. My friend, the bible is the oldest book still intact today.

This is just a few prophecies. There are hundreds of prophecies in the bible. None have been proved wrong.

The reason people dont believe, is that they haven't read the bible. Thats it.

Im willing to help anyone understand.

There is good information at
Alwaysbeready.com
Or tune into hischannel.com
Or ask me right here, ill do my best to help. God bless!
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I don't want to get mean, so please don't take this as a personal attack, but that is ridiculous.

Tell me, did you see the first version of the bible as it was being written? Do you know (without simple faith) who was the person to pen that first book? Are you suggesting that "proof" is belief that the people who created it were in fact telling the truth? None of that - NONE - can be proven by documented evidence. That is why they call it faith - you believe what you hope to be true.

God could only have created science if he in fact exsisted, but we have NO PROOF that he ever did or does.

I went to a school that taught the way of God, that insisted upon reading the bible and discussing it's messages and what it meant for us today. I'm not so ignorant as to pass comment on something I know nothing about so please don't suggest you can help me understand. I understand, I just don't agree.

I don't expect you to agree with me, I actually think it's amazing that people can believe. Just don't suggest it's anything more than faith.
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This is going to be a short post in comparison to my others, but I would like to correct something in your post. The oldest book in existence that is still intact is the Epic of Gilgamesh. And the bible is filled with error. God is perfect. He doesn't have error. Right... The bible has no conclusive evidence. And I tend to agree with bittersweet, as would any openminded atheist. All this fighting to see who has the better imaginary friend. Shame, shame. And I'm very curious as to the impact and accuracy of my words. If there are those that agree with my posts on this thread(I have several, read up a bit) please tell me. Same with those who disagree. I love constructive criticism. Just make sure that it's not just mindless slander.


Sincerely,
The Theoretical Atheist
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PS - I think the Epic of Gilgamesh is the oldest surviving book in existence. But if you wanna get technical... The Bible would probably be the oldest codex on record, then going back to paper scrolls of east asia, and then to clay cuneiform tablets of Sumeria...
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Your just jealous you dont know god or jesus and i hope someone teaches you about them cuz you need to learn about them. They will make your life easier.
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Really dude ? Really. Why in the hell does it even matter what we believe in? Does it effect you in any way? Nope. Now. Anyway. This"book of myths" is obviously not a book of myths maybe if you took the time out too Read the bible and take time to understand it you wouldn't sound so retarded. Its funny how Christianity explains what happens in the beginning and end right? And no facts? Bud I'm not gonna sit here and explain the facts too you .. You can go look them up on your own but no bud it's not just faith fuckin retard. Yeah ima christian and I cussed omgiknoright! Yah anyway up at the top someone saying someone else is not a true Christian do to there sexuality is not true. Being gay is a sin something we do everyday. You can be gay without sinning as long as a gay person does not look at the same sex in a sexual wAy and to try to control there sexuality to satisfy Jesus. I hate retArded people that are like omg I hate Christians because ima emo douchebag gothic kid that has a horrible life so ima hate on Jesus and blame god because it's the easy way out. Be less retarded and get educated on what your bitching about k thanks :)
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Personally, I believe in no faith. I personally believe that religion makes people ignorant, and really arrogant. It's fine if you have a religion, but I don't particularly believe you should use it as an excuse for anything, or put blind faith in whatever religion you believe in. That's my honest opinion. :/
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I can't believe some of you people believe this fuck. And seriously what kinda name is that? More like cock crazy bitch who doesn't know a thing and is going to hell
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When you are left alone and there is no one to hold your hand and you feel as though you would have killed yourself!! THEN!! When there is no hope, love, mercy and forgiveness left!! THEN!! When people start hating you, despise you and leave you!! THEN!! When your loved ones leave you and depart for another world or leave you alone! THEN!! WHEN YOU HAVE NO PEACE, AT ALL!! THEN ask YOURSELF, you%%u2019ll get the answer, whose is holding your hand! Who is standing as a friend, as strength inside you, who is completing the YOU in you? And then you will know, how vast is God%%u2019s love and how much he cares for you. Count your blessings before you curse!! May the Lord our God Jesus, bless you with all that you lack and give you peace and rest, fill your life with all joys and make you one of his special ones!! !!HAVE A NICE DAY!!!
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@: viky7
That speech made me so depressed I wanted to kill myself. Please I have lost pretty much all respect in organized religions through those kind of retarded answers. Jesus mother fucking Christ, you just described someones life that sucks so bad that they are thinking of suicide. Where was that tosser you call god then huh?


God is a fucking useless cunt that has destroyed the human population more effectively than we would have otherwise. If there was concept of a god we might finally accept gay people, if there were no concept of a god blacks wulda been freed a whole lot sooner, not instantly mind you them being the "colour of the devil" was one reason the white man thought he had superiority over blacks but not the only thing, abolishion to slavery would have come sooner, but it wuld still hav had to come as there was slavery for many more reasons than religion.
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Being upset that someone u care about has just died is inevitable and because you believe they go to a better place does not mean that u dont respect there life if anything it means u respect them more than to just believe that thier dead body was buried in the ground and thats it. Do you believe in the soul?
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Also God made people and people choose to sin. God gave us all choice. I used to wonder how God being so Good could make people so bad like hitler..etc. But God gave us all choice we all choose our decisions and the life we want to live. God does not simply want us to love him he wants us to choose to love him. I also wondered why bad things happen to good people I still wander about that but I belive the best explaination for this is one you can find in the Buddist religion and the ancient Essene religion and even in the Christian religion. The belief in past lives, that if we live good lives we will come back higher up on the "totem pole" but if we live extraordniary lives we are assended up into heaven so that we no longer have to go through the process of death. You know how they put Rest in Peace on Grave stones the Essene relion belives this refers to the sleep we undergo between lives.
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You haven't replied to my comment on yours! Are you angry with me?
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@: viky7
My bad, I haven't been on Is it normal in forever. Nah, I'm not angry with you.
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you dirty 13itch! who are you to mock out lifestyle... we do not force our religion on you guys we suggest it. if everyone followed the bible the world would be 20x better... imagine a world where people don't steal and lie and kill... you my friend are an idiot... you follow the rules in school so why is it so hard to follow the rules of society huh? if you disagree then why don't you go punch your school principal then? because you follow HIS RULES IDIOT
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Religion is poison it is a part of capitalist society that is there to keep reactionary ideas here.

The bible is nothing more than a book of lies and ignorance. Religion keeps sexist views, Religion keeps ignorance, Religion keeps reactionary views.

Marxist-Leninism and Juche will create a world free from sexism,racism,ignorance, and reactionary thought. A world were everybody is equal

"Imagine a world where people don't steal and lie and kill" In a Marxist-Leninism and Juche society nobody exploits each other they look after each over and treat each other as equals.

LONG LIVE MARXIST-LENINST AND JUCHE THOUGHT
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People who follow the bible, have no life. Simply stated.
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I mean seriously... no cheating on wives? having a day of rest? imagine a whole 24 hours of just rest... man whoever disagrees is a retard
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what if that higher power is God? wouldn't you look stupid?
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what is reallity for you? what is something normal to belive in?? explain yourself.
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@: galeni
@geleni: waitwaitwait...you're dating a lesbian? Is this true?

Cuz..y'know, I'd be totally up for converting to Christianity if you let me in on a threesome. Just sayin ;)

@c*ckCrazyGirl4Life: Are you the person who asked this question? Because it doesn't look very much like a question at all, which makes it kinda hard to answer. Maybe something to think about for next time.
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@: galeni
Galeni, I don't have to explain myself to you.

You're not a real christian, anyhow. You date a lesbian. No TRUE christian would do such a thing.
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whats with all this religious stuff on here anyway? just do what you believe is the right thing? i don't care if you gay bi or straight i see all people from the same value, that is brotherhood and sisterhood
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Amen brother
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Well I`m a real christian and isn`t that what this sight is all about expressing your opinion? If you are really true to your beliefs you would not mind at all telling people your resoning for what you believe. Christians do have the proof in what they believe, it`s called the bible and yes that takes faith but so does choosing not to believe either way it`s an act of faith. But with my faith theres a happy ending how about yours?
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soldierofgod, that's a load of crap and you know it. It doesn't take faith to NOT believe in god. Atheist would believe in god if ever there were to be evidence. We're waiting... Does it take faith for you to NOT believe in Zeus, the master god of the Greeks? No. You just don't believe in him because there is no evidence to support the notion that he exists. Same with your imaginary friend--er, I mean Jesus. Come back to reality.
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Yes it does, I do have faith that Zeus was not the creator of the universe and that he did not create me nor you. Faith is the confident belief or trust in something or someone weather it`s to be confident that it`s real or not real or to believe someone is lieing or not lieing. To be Atheist it takes confident belief that there is no God of anykind. So basicaly the whole point of faith is to believe in something that you can`t see or hear you just trust it`s there and I have my own proof to myself that God`s real and so does any other real christian that has been saved it`s called the holy spirit and when you feel it you know it`s real it can calm you in any situation.
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Well I'm proud to be a Christian, its one of the largest religions in the world so I couldn't give two shits of what you think, and why on earth do you have to be so damn stereotypical about us christians,
I mean not all christians are what you think they are ya know.
And I suggest you think before you start typing your sad stories on here just to be on the safe side in order to not offend anyone.
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@: violet3
I agree!! :)
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Good for you because I hate Muslims & Jews
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If somebody had told me someone did that today, obviously there would be heaps of followers around this person to see if they were sent from the real deal. I would need to see it to believe it, 'cause there is a lot of phonies out there. And you forget to mention that Moses had the power of God with him. You are an idiot
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and btw. christianity isnt a religion-its a lifestyle. and you can be as normal as anybody and still serve christ. All a christian is.. is a person with less negativity in their life and a forsure destiny. All these "religions" dont mean anything if the people aren't "truly" serving god. The reason people are against "christians" is because of the people who "claim" to be one and make us "true christians" look like hateful, stuck up, miserable, people stuck in lala land. Once you meet a "true" christian.. you will realize that all them other fakers were nothing. But of course we pray that one day they will make the decision to truly follow christ. Just please dont give up ur salvation due to falsely claimed "christians". They are how bias' are formed against us. they give us a bad rap. I assume that you have met many of them. and i am sorry. i just hope you wont let them affect how you decide to live.
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@: callo
nice try, better luck next time
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You know, statistically speaking, it's impossible for 2 billion people to be wrong.
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now, abuot the part on the paradox of omnipotence and omniscience. don't give me the bullshit about how humans cannot understand a gods doing. that is the weakest arguement, with no merit or proof. there will always be beings that are smarter and can comprehend things you don't. i'm living proof of one. if i can't understand god, then neither can you, which contradicts religion itself, because it proves religion is made up bullshit. after all, since humans can't understand god apparently, you can't understand him any better than i. so don't talk, get some proof.
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thanks pringletot2
i don't think that guy is gunna come back...it's really stupid, they want to argue, but only stay long enough to say their part.
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yeah, if you want an argument you should at least try to counter the other sides argument as well
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It is infuriating to read some of these comments not because I am a believer and feel offended cause I don't. The jokers that claim righteousness and try and apologetically prove the deity of Jesus and in the mean time figure out away to loose all credibility by using "retard" or "idiot." Its crap like that
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Actually, the bible says he turned the nile river into blood. He parted the red sea. neither are connected to the other, except that each was moses' doing.

Yes, i agree: ignorance is a scary thing. ignorance is also borderline rude when one doesn't have their facts straight.

Something tells me you dont know much about the bible. it's also hard (impossible) to judge something one doens't even know anything about - that would just be racism (christianity isn't a race, but you'd get my point).

Being raised christian i can say that i hate christians (partly because i find them too ~fiendly~ also, the church that i go to is not the community i want to be part of and being forced to go their by the parents is not helping me like christians any more than i do)
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You yourself have written %%u2018ignorance is a scary thing%%u2019, so how can you ignore the God who made you!! Reflect on that!!
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@: viky7
"How can you ignore the god that made you" you were trying to prove him to be ignorant and shit and then you use a line like that completely ignoring this little point...what if there isn't a god that made you? or does this god that created us really worth worship? if he made us to worship him he doesn't deserve it, he gave us no solid proof of his existence and expects everyone to follow him. Sounds like a mentally retarded god we have here to be honest. ignorance is a scary thing, and this worlds ignorance is the scariest of it all. The entire concept of god has caused more mayhem and destruction than anything else on this planet, yet we believe he looks after and cares for us. When your having your head sliced off for being a different religion then you can truly see how much this god cares for humanity. When you have been shunned by all your friends and family just because you are homosexual, then you can see what Christianity is truly doing, homosexuality isn't even a choice, hating someone for being gay is the exact same as killing someone because they are black. When someone else uses their religious beliefs to make you feel so bad about yourself that you end up committing suicide then you will realize what this "God" is doing to our planet. Whether he exists or not does not change the fact that he has been a plague to our planet since the first time someone thought of theism.

I'm not saying there is no chance in there being a god, I am saying there is no chance in there being a god that is worth worshiping.
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@: viky7
How can YOU confirm that GOD created anything.. see once again a christian attempting to prove that they know-it-all. SO annoying.
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I hate people who base the whole religion on a ignorant and dumb few.
Like that all Christians are dumb and delusional, All christians are prejudiced, All christians are intolerant of other people.
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It's only a matter of belief.

If certain Atheists were to learn this "Big-Bang Theory," well, I have a question: "have you ALSO learned about being Well-Mannered during the course of your studies?" or atleast HEARD of the word "Courteousness?"

If you still want to rub your "Evidences" in our faces, it's fine, go ahead. But know what? WE GET IT. So LEAVE it. We've heard of it & you've known ours, so let it be. Everyone has excellent points to pursue, but you need not to call our belief such names when we dearly think the same way as you do towards our beliefs.

My point is, if we Christians don't believe in your concept of how the earth was made, or your point of view or whatsoever, let us be. Because I'm sure that you don't want to hear a word about our religion. You have your own believers don't you? So do your way as freely as you want & we'll do ours peacefully. & Don't call degoratory statements to our faith, as I said, It's only a matter of belief. No matter what you do, nobody'll give in 'nways.

Peace to Everyone.

With all due respect,
Me.ü
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There are so many people on this blog who take the high road of 'superior' intellect in their attacks on Christianity. I especially find amusing the ones who use every possible shred of logical ammunition they can obtain, as if 'disproving' God's existence were some kind of scientific pursuit(WildChildTDC). Today there are particle physicists who are devout Roman Catholics. Isaac Newton, the father of modern science, was a devout Christian. He wasn't forced by the church to be a one; this was Europe post-Galileo. No burnings at the stake were taking place here...Newton just WANTED to be Christian! (and to invent calculus)
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how dare you say any of that! You haven't even read the bible and you think you can pass judgement!? only when you EVERYTHING about Christianity or as much as me at least being a practacing catholic then come back and say all that stuff again, if you would have read the bible, the stories told are for teaching, and provide just as much proof as you want! Christians are lovely people and are a community i am proud to say im apart of, and if it wasnt for christianity we probably wouldnt have piece in most western countries, aid support in most 3rd world countries and a place to go when all else fails!! but being a christian, i understand you dont really understand the basis of christianity so therefore forgive you, but next time i would prefer to hear a experts point of view, not yours
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i so agree!!! It's quite moronic to think that way.
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ok I am about to make a point...You call Chrisitans ignorant, but you are the one bad mouthing them?? That makes you of equally ignorant if you ask me. I am also a non-believer (Humanist to be exact) and think your just as ignorant as Christians. Accept that they believe and you don't but present FACTS and not accusations. No one knows if Moses actually did those things..NO ONE! Present better facts next time to uphold your argument other than basing your accusations on your sight on "reality"
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I agree with jesus(8013)
keep your nasty opinions to yourself.
Burn in hell a**hole.
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CrazyGirl, feelings say nothing about what is right and what is wrong, you still need the right measure in life. You can say water is good, but only water is death. So, you need from everything that is good a little bit, and so is it with human relationships too.

To think through feelings is called nihilism.
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you damn christians are so annoying just because we dont have your faith yur damned to "hell" idiotic judgemental morons
you're all so close minded.
the bible is contradicting..
everyone is supposedly supposed ot be accepted and shit but just because a guy is with a guy or a chick is with a chick you discrimnate them and all the down right DUMBASS
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hmmmmmmmm, I wonder and I am just asking you ever so faithful christians, do you fear god?
because I hear all the time "fear god or his wrath will get you"..... I am trembeling in my shoes (sarcastic), what kind of god makes you fear hm.... on second thought what kind of "loving, forgiving" god whould allow all the shit that happens in this world?
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HEy! I'm christan and I think your thinking of moman I mean they are the ones who plan there life and have to be perfect and that female cant go to the highest heaven. Yah I looked up moman relagen and it was made by a guy who hid and wrote it all in privasy so talk to them. And cristanity was founded my jesus him self in jerualem I learned it in history!
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Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

Matthew 26:52 Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.

Jesus got what he deserved when he was crucified. Every Nazi is a Christian.

"Why do you call me good? Only God is good." ~ Jesus

Darth Christ is not God because He admitted he wasn't good.

"How well we know what a profitable superstition this fable of Christ has been for us." ~ Pope Leo X

John 4:10-16, DRINK OF THE LIVING WATER, make sure you lick the nuts before you suck the dick as Jesus instructed. Some drinks you just can't order at the bar unless it's inside a brothel. Either Jesus was history's first porn director of he starred in his own films.

Although Christian heads were rather crude consoles[during the Viking era], kicking them around was way ahead of it's time in gaming pleasure.
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im defending my faith like one o da guys said, u idiot im christian and im nothing like that u b*tch
so think about wut u say u r hurting ppl and nu suk!!!!! and i believe in jesus moses did do that i can prove it!!! wait no i cant:( not the point why?why r u acting like a jerk? wut if ur roman cathiloc? and i sed they suk d*cks? how wood u feel? think about it and post on my story and tell me how u wood feel and my story is "what i feel"
hope u get a life soon so u can surprise alot of ppl!!!!!! hate ur guts
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This is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. If you don't believe in God then why are y'all trying so hard to prove he isn't real? I might seem crazy for believing but God has done so much for me and my life for the good. I think you have met people who were crazy. Not everyone who claims to be a Christian is right. We all have problems and anyone condeming you and saying your going to hell was out of place. Ultimately God does the judging not us. And I hope for your sake your eyes will be opened to him.
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HAHA. that was a good joke. Where'd you find it?
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I comment before:


You are very, very, very, very, very un-grateful!!!!!!!!!!!! They (no one, actually) turned any river into BLOOD. They parted it, they walked on the ocean bottom they DID NOT turn anything into blood......GOD IS HOLY, gosh...you are "upid-stae" (you are stupid) so if you HATE CHRISTIANS, screw you!!
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first of all I would just like to say to some of those that come from the slower side of town> you do not go to hell for sinning! Everyone sins and everyone is not going to hell!!! You go to hell by denying Jesus Christ as your lord and savior. People that believe in God and accept Jesus Christ into their hearts sin just as much as any other person on this planet because we are all ONLY human, the difference is whether you are saved from your sins and forgiven for them or not. It doesnt matter what you say to us or anyone for that matter in the end it's between you and God. You will face him alone and what will you say when he asks why you denied him?.....you will have nothing but lame excuses and long explanations about fossils and other unimportant shit that he already knows about because he created it. I feel sorry for anyone who feels so angry because I know they are just lost souls.
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God fobid the little cock sucker were dying from something, but if she were, ten bucks says she would believe right quick!
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A very smart atheist, with high moral standards, I might add. It's statistically true, that atheists have just as high if not higher moral standards than Christians, not to mention the fct that many atheists are smarter than Christians. This is a FACT and has been observed in studies, Christians, take all of the gods that you don't believe in and write down the reasons why you don't. Now, what you've just written down is all the reasons I don't believe in Christianity. I feel that it is a better world where we need not be scared into being good people by a powerful deity weilding the punishment of Hell. There a few common misconceptions about atheists I would like to disprove. The lie that we are satanic worshipers is simply that. A lie. Seeing as we do not worship any deity or supreme being, Satan falls into one of those two categories by any definition. And another thing: Atheists don't value life as much as Christians. That is a flat out lie. In fact we value it more, because we belive it is the only life we have to live. And then the big one, that atheism is wrong. Well, let's be honest, nobody knows. But the only religious choice that has substantial evidence supporting it is atheism, or nontheism, or whatever you wish to call it. When the big bang happened, massive explosions and suns and stars all formed, composed of carbon and helium. The two most common elements. The elements that make up the majority of the human body. So it's entirely possible, and likely, that we were formed as single celled organisms in the inferno that resuted from the big bang and landed on a rocky mass that had hydrogen and oxygen formed on it, and we simply evolved from that point on. Over millions and billions of years, we went from cells, To monkeys, and here we are as "sophisticated" human beings. This is my position on the matter. Someone mentioned early in the thread that if your I.q. Does not exceed 120, your opinion does not matter here. I would argue that everyone's opinion matters, but I am pleased to say that, nevertheless, I fall into that category with an impressive IQ of 138 for a 14 year old boy.

Sincerly,
The Theoretical Atheist
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Cockcrazy girl, you have issues.I bet you have a lot of prob with people..You need to learn how to talk,freedom of speech.That is a great excuse.....
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you know what. Christians do not get mad when other people don't believe we just pray for you. you may hate me, but i love you. God says to do good to those who hate you. in the end, we will be the ones who are better off, so persecute us all you want, we will still believe. :)
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I understand that you don't believe in God or Jesus and I don't think anyone should push you to believe in them but because someone does is no reason to hate them or think their crazy. I would rather spend my whole life believing in god then die and find out there isn't one then spend y life trying to disprove god and die and find out he's real. Yeah something xhristans say are crazy and yeah the only proof is faith but to me god is more than a guy whho created to me he is a source of hope and a shoulder to lean on and i can find that in friends but friends can leave god doesnt
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Holy cow neopythagorean! Perhaps you should calm down a little bit...and way to stereotype millions of people
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Moses was a Jew! Don't bring him into your argument.
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Also questioning someone else's faith is also going agains gods will btw
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Well I'm sorry if I insulted you I know there are gothic and emo christians it's just not natural that you run into one an the ones that don't are the ones usually bashing on Christians so I'm sorry if yu were insulted :)
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Hey I'm Christian, I respect your free speech. But you're being a full-out bitch. You're hating on Christians who respect these 'myths' and the Bible. And seriously, just because you have free speech doesn't mean you should degrade a certain religion just because you think it's phony.

And how do you know how the world was created? Us humans have made theories of what have happened, and not have firmly concluded what made the world. Sure, maybe it was the Big Band. Maybe it was God. Who knows? You don't. Neither do I.

You don't know if Moses really parted the seas, if Jesus really turned water into wine, etc. And it might sound ridiculous, right? But you don't know if God exists or not and made this happen. Ha.

There's a lot of things you and I don't know. But I do know you're being a retarded ranter on the Internet who vents out your anger on 'Is It Normal'. Seriously now?

Go suck a dick.
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Well Christians still love you and feel sorry you are going to hell.
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OMFGosh! Absolutly NO ONE studies religouns nowadays!!! You Christian hating f-u-c- |< tards don't even read the bible, or studie it! For one thing, In EGYPT Moses turned the Nile to blood. Escaping Egypt, MOSES PARTED THE YAM SUPH or , the REED sea. Everybody who translates Yam Suph from Hebrew to English translates it as the red sea! Secondly, I can take people not beliving, but when you talk smack about my whole family, most of the presidents of the U.S and leaders of other Nations, that makes me want to punch somebody in the face. STUDY Christianity FIRST before stating your opinion! Sorry for yelling
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@: Rmoe12
I read some quotes of our founding fathers that stated that they did not base the US on Christian beliefs. Even guys like John Adams pretty muched dissed the bible and God. they mention a "god" but it isnt the Christian God.
i dunno kinda creepy.

Here's Thomas Paine
"I would not dare to so dishonor my Creator God by attaching His name to
that book (the Bible)."

meep.
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And quite freakly as a reply to ALL the athiest comments there is Nooo way you can speak on FAITH if you do not Have it. Study the bible all you want but if you dont have FAITH it means nothing. I may take your comments seriously if you did this first: Study the bible, learn about the bible, get ur questions about Christianity answered, do all this unbiasedly and with an open mind, & most importantly get FAITH.

If you want to know what I define as Faith just ask me.
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I believe this is normal.
and really the only sane option
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It's bad for your heart to hate somebody or something, no matter who you are. I'd like to point out, however, which someone may have already and I just didn't realize because I didn't take the time to read all of these comments... Whoever this person is that posted this is just looking for attention, which they got, so does any of this really matter? I feel silly just commenting here.

If you're not a Christian, whoever you are reading this, you won't understand what I'm about to say.

Christianity isn't just a religion, it is Love. Yes, science goes along with Christianity - of course it does. In my heart I believe what the Bible says as truth, so therefore I have the seed of love. It brings pain and sorrow, and obligations like I have now to comment here, but it is a much joyous thing than to live without love.
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There's not a "true Christian" in the fucking world. I can honestly say that every single Christian is a damned hypocrite, and, according to the "bible", they have all disobeyed their false god. Ever prayed in public, assholes? Yeah, you have. Oh! Thats against the rules isn't it? Well I guess you'll burn in hell with the rest of us fags, huh?
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You hate christians?
i'm a Christian and i Love you.

i am human the day. i was born i started to die.

which makes life both beautiful something to be cherished and something scary...

i've never seen the point in hating someone for living the life they think they should live...

eventually some ideals stop being stop being statments and start being bitterness...

i do think its more normal to be angry at "god" then to hate people Who believe in him.

Free will is a Beautiful gift.
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I am a born again christian and when I came across this it hurt me. Like a bunch of people have said fine don't believe in the God who created us but don't hate the people who do.yes we are all the same in gods eyes all sinners but we have a choice to be forgiven,but the people who trust in him with all your heart and life will be blessed.do you really wanna watch your life go by then die or do you wanna live forever with the most awsome person ever....I am a very insecure person but I had to say something, stick up for my faith and my savior(;
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I, as an atheist, respect you for standing up for your religion. But you must understand. Atheists view all religions as nothing but delusion. Just as you view our lack of a god as a blasphemic occurrence. Just leave us alone, and the majority of us will leave you alone. It is rare to find an atheist that actively goes around just for the sake of tearing down religion. It's much more common for religious people to do this.
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Faith is only half of christianity. The other half is fact.

In 1947 the dead sea scrolls were found in isreal. A copy of the old testament. This copy dated back to about 100 BC. That alone proves the prophecies of the old testament about jesus.
The age of these documents was determined by examining the pottery that housed the manuscripts, the weave and pattern of the manuscript cloths, the form of the characters, the spelling of the words. And the coins found alongside the manuscripts.

No i was not there when the manuscripts were written. Do i have faith that there real. Yes.

Were you there when george washington was born. Probaly not. But you still have faith that he was alive at one time.

Im not taking this personal, its a great debate
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Briarash... For fucks sake, medicine healed you and your mums 'bff'. That's why it takes us near on a decade of study to get a medical degree! I FIX PEOPLE!! You are not gothic. Find out the true meaning behind what you are calling yourself. Christian and gothic are virtually opposite. Eyeliner, a cloak and listening to the Cure does not a goth make.
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Okay, there is proof that the Bible is true retards, for example it talks about sodom and gamorra (sp). About a girl that God commanded not to look back at the city gamorra. Well she did it anyways. She then got turned into a pillar of salt. She was left like this for THOUSANDS of years. Recently, archaeologists made a discover in the middle east of a girl turning her head backwards made completely out of salt.

Also, millions of years?? Are you serious??
You've got to be kidding me. The Big Bang?? HAHA Don;t make me laugh. Honestly, what are the chances that a big explosion of chemicals made everything we are and everything that is and ever was. NOT LIKELY. I mean, for example, scientifically speaking, if the sun was 3 inches closer to us, we'd burn to death. However if it was 3 inches farther, we'd all freeze to death. Or how about the fact that every person is made unique. What are the chance that some big boom happened and made everything so perfect. I mean, I don't know about you idiots, but usually when i see chemicals explode, it usually causes a lot of destruction, not make things, much less things as perfect as humans, animals, plants, everything.

And evolution, hahahahahahahaha another lie. I will admit however small evolutions is visible, but not from tadpoles to humans. No. Not real. I mean if it is, why don't you see monkeys turning into humans now? You don't. As a matter of fact, on Darwin's deathbed, he admitted that darwinism or the evolution theory was a lie. He did it just to look smart in front of his peers.

Retard words=
1.Omniscient-having complete or unlimited knowledge, awareness, or understanding; perceiving all things.

2.Omnipotent-almighty or infinite in power

3.Omnipresent-present everywhere at the same time

Ok morons, what does that mean? It means God is not a human, he is not a spirit. He is a spiritual being. He's omniscient, he knows and understands everything. He's omnipotent, his power is limitless. And He's omnipresent, He's everywhere at all times. He is God. You just can't understand that because over the course of your entire lives, you are told what is and what isn't......HUMAN-wise. Humans cannot understand and know EVERYTHING. We do not have unlimited power. And we can't be everywhere at once.

So give up. He's there, and he's watching you, and one day when you're sitting at the gates of heaven hoping to get in, and you don't hear your name get called, you're gonna think, "I should have listened, and damn, it's getting hot."

Thanks.
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ok, and in that '2 billion' (if its true or not), should be close to that number, Christianity is the most popular religion, then by atheism, Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism (no specific ranking order). So you've got Christian believers, who are greater number than any other believers, and Allah is apparently the same being as God (as said by Muslims). So looks like God is the being believed in most than any other religion. You lose.
Nice try, better luck next time.
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Hey guys i'm gonna to explain something really important.

First of all, all religions believes in some kind of human, like Jesus.

Muslims love Jesus because he is a messenger from God.. But actually he is not the God and not the Son of the God.

He is a Human being Just like Us.

But God (allah) Gives him a power to show the people and to give attention.

Muslims believes in Jesus not as a God, But as a Great messenger of god just like The prophet Mohammed, and Mouses, and Adam ( The father ) .

this is what was written in the Koran and in the Bible.
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I won't be praying for you.... your not worth it
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Pretty sure you posted that just to get 372 mad comments. The thing is: I voted normal because it is extremely normal. The bible says that the path is long and narrow and few will find it. Don't think your the only one. Your right there with the others going to hell. I'm just being honest
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And phazeylxx there are gothic Christians cause I am one
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First of all, you are an IDIOT! You have NO idea what you are talking about when it comes to the catholic faith.
You cant bash the bible when you know nothing about it. Its not made up myths,"And then the talking snake said 'here, eat the magical apple'..." it sounds ridiculous but you must remember that biblical teachings do not state literal truths, they simply resemble symbolic truth and religious truth. The story of Adam and Eve for instance symbolizes that human kind will always fall to sin; that no one will be as great as their creator. But this does not mean that Gods love ends there. Yes we fall to sin, yes there are ppl who dont believe. "Blessed are thoes who have not seen and still believe" But Gods infinite mercy and love will never turn his back on us. We are all praying for you; you moron. Good luck in the real world without the strength of God. - Ill be back.
BTW- you've yet to state your beliefs. (do u even have any?)
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You make a very good point.
So you believe jesus existed, you just dont believe that he performed miracles.

I wish they had a videocamera 2000 years ago to record jesus walking on water. But we dont. Even if we did, people still wouldnt believe it.

We cant compare the findings of dinosaur bones to miracles, because miracles are not an object, they were an event.

How can i prove jesus made the blind see? I cant because it was an event.
The only proof we have is the witnesses to testify. Which they did. We know the time it happened the place and we have prophecy.

Theres more evidence it did happen then it didnt.

You make a good point and that is why i said. The facts are there but at some point faith has to take over. (christianity half faith half facts). You camt have one without the other. I would never want someone to believe something just because someone wrote about it. There has to ne some facts.
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I hate u to dumbfuck
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rak
U can say anything about god,and say it's nonsense, but I know the truth cuz when I was a little kid, God healed one organ of my body.
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I am a believer, and i understand why so many people that have posted comments on here hate christians. Its because there are so many christians that are hypocrites.

They lack knowledge of the bible or they dont believe whole heartedly. Im not exactly sure.

However, to say that theres no proof of Gods existence is ignorant.
The proof that he does exist is Jesus.
Dont roll your eyes yet.
Theres not a single historian that will tell you Jesus didnt walk this earth.
Why do we know so much about the roman empire. Because they documented everything. And guess what they documented the life of jesus as well. They even went as far as claiming they saw him perform magic. "miracles".
There are several historical documents claiming jesus was a real man. Not just the bible.
How do we know that christianity is the right religion?
Its not necisarilly the right religion. Its the relationship that gets you to heaven.
Bible prophecy proves that the god of the bible is true. Jesus predicted his death to the disciples. The book of daniel predicts things that are going on right now in the world.
There are no contradictions in the bible!

If you want more answers go to
Alwaysbeready.com
Or you can ask me. Ill answer the best i can.
Glory be to God!
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@believer2010 (45263)

J.K Rowling documented that Harry kicked Voldemorts ass but I really hope that thousands of years from now people won't be debating whether or not he saved the world from evil.
I'm not suggesting you shouldn't have faith but don't suggest that you have proof. Religion and science are bound by one thing only: neither can prove anything.
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im a skeptick so nothing can be proven to me theres always something thats gona stand in my way no such thing as reality evan becaus this could be you dreaming or something gone wonky with the univers
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you are a twisted mofo plz die
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I want to know why you feel he's twisted, maybe because he doesn't share the same belief as you?

He has a totally valid point any atheist could regurgitate for you on call - because it is all common sense

Read up on you Dawkins, Hitchens, even your Harris before you attack this non-believer personally; dick.

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blueman29x
Ah atheists. The play the Devil's advocate, but their superiority complex forces them to call it the opposite-of-a-non-existing-god's advocate.
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