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I hate christians
What a bunch of fools.
They plan out their entire lives, according to rules set by a kooky, ancient book of mythos.
And hey, dontcha just love how they ever-so-conveniently excuse themselves from providing proof, by using crutches like "faith".
Sorry, but just because you believe something, that doesn't make it true.
Moses turned the sea into blood... and then later, parted it?
Yeah... and sweat socks fly south for the winter.
Ask yourself... "If somebody told me such an event had taken place TODAY, would I believe it?". No? Point proven.
Ignorance is a scary thing.
They plan out their entire lives, according to rules set by a kooky, ancient book of mythos.
And hey, dontcha just love how they ever-so-conveniently excuse themselves from providing proof, by using crutches like "faith".
Sorry, but just because you believe something, that doesn't make it true.
Moses turned the sea into blood... and then later, parted it?
Yeah... and sweat socks fly south for the winter.
Ask yourself... "If somebody told me such an event had taken place TODAY, would I believe it?". No? Point proven.
Ignorance is a scary thing.
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@ Tim Swain: OMGZ! waaat? You have outwitted me with your baseless accusation!!!
You're not a real christian, anyhow. You date a lesbian. No TRUE christian would do such a thing.
Atheists believe the world was created from a big explosion. Then Life just appeared from this explosion. Over years we just kept changing until we got to how we are today. What makes that more crazier than the other religious beliefs?
The truth is we will NEVER know how the world was created; everything is theory. Whether it was made by a superior form, or it was created by accident, or maybe not one of the human theories have even came close to the truth. The only people who are ignorant in this scenario are the people who say any idea is out of the question.
judging from the timescales the sun works in, and in the certainty it has been shining for immense amounts of time.
Including all the fossil records we find all over the planet, showing the evolution of species, it is impossible to deny that life on planet Earth has been evolving for hundreds of millions of years.
Knowing so, and then picking up a book which claims the opposite(the bible),
makes every intelligent person take the idea of the book out of the question.
Thats not due to ignorance but to intelligence and knowledge.
The major reason people tried to believe this was its threat "if you dont believe this crap then youll burn in hell forever".
Which off course was a message that was ment to come from a "good" god.
How dumb is that?
Mimir2, arguing with devout Christians - that their religion is fake - is pointless. Same as trying to force your beliefs onto someone else. Instead, we should be trying to put our beliefs aside and attempt to unite as a community, society and world.
We do know that.
All the fossil records prove it, and so does the age of the sun and the information we pass down to our children and how we are ripe to evolve and are doing so as we have different characteristics and they are inherited down to our children. Meaning the characterstics of us as a species is changing infront of our very eyes. And judgingt from the age of this world there is room for virtually infinite evolution, both in our past and into our future.
But off course if you just say "No".
Then there wont be much in the way of discussion, but thats not because of lack of evidence or ability to rule out suggestions how everything came about but rather due to unwillingness to discuss the issue and use our god given brains.
Care to prove this? All your doing is following things other people have said. You have absolutly no proof of any of this; the same way no one can prove Christianity or other religions are true. As far as you know the world isn't even round. Have you ever been into space and looked down on it for yourself or have you only seen images that were given to you by others.
You cant say "Thats not due to ignorance but to intelligence and knowledge" because none of this knowledge is your knowledge, it's just what you have chosen to believe because others gave you the theories.
It will take 4 BILLION years for it to finish its fuel.
The immense timescales the sun works in makes 4000 years the equivalent of a fraction of a second.
And therefore the probability of it starting to shine just 4000 years ago, having 4 billion years to go is extremely slim.
"All your doing is following things other people have said. You have absolutly no proof of any of this; the same way no one can prove Christianity or other religions are true."
Sure, all of human civilization might as well be a gargantuous hoax where everything we think we know is just a lie made up by one guy or another.
The fossil records were never there, their existence were just made up by some anti-religous guys.
And C14 dating doesnt really work and everybody that has tested it(large number of universities) has joined the mega-conspiracy circle enveloping the planet making sure we science guys continue to be in the dark.
Sure, it might be the case.. sure.
The way i believe the fossil record is there is not the same as the way religious people believe the bible.
For the fossil records not to have been there requires a conspiracy against every thinking human being on the planet at such an immense scale and with such an immense incentive for anyone realising its fakeness to blow it away that it would never work.
I havent chosen to believe anything.
I come to conclusions basing it on what makes sense.
Im just saying we shouldnt be listening to bullshit like much of the bible.
2 billion believe.
4 billion dont.
=> believers loose and god ceases to exist.
But off course this logic is false, for what people believe does not change the laws of the universe, or god for that matter.
And besides, christian believers are nowhere near 2 billion.
On the surface, sure, but if you start talking to a random selection of people labelled as christians youll find that so many of them dont believe that stuff at all.
Nice try, better luck next time.
When you mean god as in by the bible, say so.
Say the bible god.
When you mean god as in by the koran, say the koran god.
John Doe, what excactly is it that those 2 billion people are claiming or believing?
We are quite unsure of what you are trying to say.
Callo, you have hereby entered a logic where you are checking which religion is most popular and assuming the winner in that determines who is right.
Do you realise what a pile of crap such a claim is?
Want me to write that a couple more times to get through to you?
That even if they do believe in the same thing, that alone would never make them right.
Couple of questions for you. If you don't believe in God, cool. Your choice. If you hate Christians, ALSO cool, your choice there too.
But tell me this, why is it that folks like you, who don't believe in God or hate Christians, Feel The Need to belittle and degrade folks WHO do believe (or have found a faith that helps THEM get through this hard life)?
I mean, I don't like muslims much, character flaw, but I don't go out of my way to degrade them.
I can understand not believing in God, but is it really neccessary to hurt folks who do? Is it that you are simply one of those people who ENJOYS doing all you can to hurt others?
And if you Don't believe in God, what do you use to come to grips with your own morality? Just a "Whatever *I* want to do is alright" attitude?
If so, cool, but then if someone Else out there decides to physically hurt, rape, malign or demean You, you don't have much room to complain then, do you?
Hey, I am not trying to convert you, and I am not picking a fight. I just want to understand where you're coming from.
With respect,
Tobra
@ callo: You're a complete idiot herd conformist. The popularity contest argument isn't worth the TP you wipe your bum with.
@ October/Tobra: How do you define "morality"? Good & bad are simply a matter of individual opinion. Usually, it works like this: "I don't like (insert whatever here), therefore it is bad" & "I like (insert whatever), therefore it is good".
What I am doing here is practicing my FREE SPEECH, just as those manipulative christians do, when they come to my door and attempt to convert me, and rarely take no for an answer, when I tell them I'm not interested in their abnormal beliefs. However, unlike those freaks, I don't go door-to-door and try to force THE TRUTH on them. Why does everyone think it's ok for them to behave in such a fashion, but if someone like myself posts something like this on the internet, everyone gets their panties bunched? Talk about a double standard. Geeesh.
I plan on calling the police on the next brood that shows up at my house. I'll have them charged with harassment.
Telling someone to "shut up" is a part of free speech, you ignorant swine. They don't HAVE to follow my advice, ya know.
Geeesh... you're living proof that age does not always equate to intelligence.
What a mess!
Free speech means I or anyone else can say whatever the hell pleases me/them. If I tell someone to shut up, that is free speech. If someone tells me to shut up, that is free speech.
Free speech is only infringed upon when c*nts like you flag other people's posts, as opposed to just voicing your disdain for the topic.
Free speech is exactly what it sounds like, dumbass. There's no limits. It is only when ACTION is taken against someone (i.e. if I tried to MAKE someone shut up, by flagging their posts, like you) that it becomes threatened. Telling someone to shut up is NOT the same as MAKING them shut up. That is YOUR department, you f*cking cowardly hypocrite. Do you think I don't know how many people you have flagged? THAT is an attempt at censorship.
Now, get out of my sight.
Why don't you just let her fight her own battles? She's a big girl.
PS If you truly admire honesty, then you shouldn't have any complaints about my VERY honest opinion.
Run along.
Cuz..y'know, I'd be totally up for converting to Christianity if you let me in on a threesome. Just sayin ;)
@c*ckCrazyGirl4Life: Are you the person who asked this question? Because it doesn't look very much like a question at all, which makes it kinda hard to answer. Maybe something to think about for next time.
not only that! i eat my cereal with blood... so...
You said "There is no proof to back up the claim that christianity exists." There is also no proof to back up the claim that it does not exist. All the things written in the bible have never been truthfully disproven. Yeah there are people who may say that they "Disprove" certain things but those who have done extensive research with this book have found no contradictions. If you want to believe something, then go for it but do not ever attempt to disprove something with false information. Moses didn't turn the Sea to blood. God turned the water in Egypt into blood. One of the most well known Bible revelations in the world and you couldn't properly quote it. You'll probably give me some disrespectful and unmeaningful reply so I accept that. But hear this, until you get your facts straight about the roots of christianity and the actual evidence vs. no evidence debate, and learn to communicate to others and present a plausible argument without slandering everything they believe in stop posting stuff like this on the internet. Its pointless, Its a waste of bandwidth and it doesn't help anyone except you so you can reassure yourself that you are indeed superior because you can see the faults in a world renowned religion that you obviously haven't researched enough to be attacking.
"Ignorance is a scary thing"
Well considering how angry you seem and how happy about 95%% of Christians seem I would say ignorance is bliss =)
On a final note Just because you dont believe something doesnt mean it isnt true. If you cant understand the complexity of my closing statement I apologize.
speaking of the POSSIBILITY (based on how i said "if i can't prove something is there, then i cannot argue its there. it doesn't mean its not there"), that would also mean its possible for there to be a god called beerdick in the form of a huge dick. he made us by fertilizing the land with semen. you disagree? you say it's not possible? then you, my friend, just contradicted yourself. if you don't see how you've contradicted yourself, then i must say, i don't blame you for being religious. your iq is too fucking low for it.
hope all you want. hoping someone grows up to be a failure is an obvious sign of jealousy. also, it seems people like to call anyone "better" than them "arrogant". if that is the case, you were being arrogant yourself by shownig off your "high" iq of 110. judging by your reaction to my higher iq, i highly doubt you "don't care". and about myself becoming a failure, i'm afraid for you that is not true. i am able to put up an argument with far less fallacies and contradictions compared to you. This alone gives me better chances, however slightly, than you of suceeding.
also, my arguments on this page alone should show you just how high my iq is. from the way you present your arguements, i can safely say that either your iq is lower than 110, or you have a severe temper/ego problem.
That thickhead logic could be applied to MANY ridiculous mythos. There's no proof that leprechauns don't exist, either. Oh well... THEY MUST BE REAL!
Wow, you're stupid.
Remember? Turn the other cheek.
it's like saying you like virgin pussy, but refuse to fuck one
The First Law of Thermodynamics (Conservation) states that energy is always conserved, it cannot be created or destroyed. In essence, energy can be converted from one form into another.
that is a LAW my friend. not your everyday law ofthe goverment, but a FACT. To deny a LAW of physics, gravity, or thermodynamics is simply stupid. you can't deny that gravity keeps you on the ground, and you can't deny that the laws of thermodynamics is real. so, according to the first law of thermodynamics, we CAN'T simply have been created by a greater being. the sun CAN'T have been created.
of course, this doesn't answer the question "how we came to be". if that is your arguement, then you are so desperate for an answer you would willingly believe a false one rather than to keep searching for the RIGHT one.
A person who completely denies his religion, but refuses to abandon it, is not truely denying his religion. If you TRUELY accept science at it's best, one cannot truely believe god nor creationism and the same time as science.
i recommend a VERY good read, "the god delusion" by richard dawkins, a professer of science at oxford university.
now, i can see that the debate is coming to an end. i can show a man the path to take, but i cannot force him to do it. when the only factors left is child influence and family pressure, logic will most likely be uneffective. for many, the love of their family means more than the truth itself. of course, like the saying, ignorance is bliss. i respect your value of love from your family, so i will say no more after this. however, if they really love you, they should respect your own beliefs, like mine has. i will no longer post on this, unless another theist decide to post on this.
i wish you the best of luck, and hope you take the right path. i have given you all the advice, shown you all the logic i known so far. theres far more to know in the book i mentioned earlier, and i recommend it too all.
thermodynamics is a LAW because NOTHING can work outside of it. many theists disagree, because they say god is omnipotent AND omniscient. well, i can already tell the people who invented this only had half a brain.
you see, for a being to be both omnipotent and omniscient is contradictory. it is a fallacy. it is a paradox, all in itself.
lets assume god is both omnipotent and omniscient. now, lets say that because hes omniscient, he knows exactly how hes going to intervene to change the world into its final stage using his omnipotence. but wouldn't that mean god is unable to change the "future", which he FORSAW using his omniscience? in other words, he can't change his own actions? wouldn't that mean he's NOT omnipotent? so, what if he COULD change the "future" he forsaw. wouldn't that mean what he forsaw earlier was invalid, and therefore proving hes not omniscient.
in this sense, "god" can only be omniscient OR omnipotent. however, a being with only ONE of these qualities isn't even defined as a "god". so you are left with two options.
option one, assuming god is only omnipotent. This would mean he created everything, but has morals as valid as you or me. he cannot see the future, nor predict what we will do. he cannot see every little dark thought we have. this means, he has no control over us. if he did, we are just dolls, without a choice. so why not just go kill yourself now?
now, option two, assuming god is omniscient. this is even worse. this would mean he did not create the universe, and cannot defy laws of gravity, thermodynamics, and etc. in this sense, he wouldn't even be omniscient, since it goes against science and the laws. this would also mean he would have to be created AFTER the creation of the universe, which invalids his very creation, due to the laws.
so, since option 1 pretty much disables god's ability to direct the world or affect us with "faith", this either means god is waiting for a time to just come down and show his face, and admit he can't know a thing.
or, he created the universe and retired after that, just existing without a goal or point, all the way through eternity.
or, there is no god, and all this is talk about the almighty is bullshit.
I'm a Muslim. Many believe that muslims have something against christians. Nah..! I dont mind them. they are just living their lives and they are the closest reliegion to Islam. Only with a difference that they believe in three, where as we believe in only one.
True, their books might be wrong. But the first ever book given to them were correct!
And dear, you got some facts wrong. Moses [ peace be upon him ] never changed the sea into blood. True, with a touch of a staff he divided into two in order to make a path for them to escape the swords of the infidel pharaoh who Allah drowned later.
In reality every prophet taught the same religion. But the later generations twisted it. Only Islam remained protected since its the last of them. And its real faith will remain protected to those who seek it with true hearts. End of the world is approaching, living Islam is becoming tough. But the smell of heaven is closer! =D
True girl, ignorance is a scary thing.. save your self and just think about everything and Islam. You will find that they aren't that bad after all. =D
PS: i dare you to read the Quran/Koran and think!
and plus.. check this out. Stop questioning, and just think! http://www.beconvinced.com/
so I guess you only mind the people who have a religion very different from Islam?
Also, millions of years?? Are you serious??
You've got to be kidding me. The Big Bang?? HAHA Don;t make me laugh. Honestly, what are the chances that a big explosion of chemicals made everything we are and everything that is and ever was. NOT LIKELY. I mean, for example, scientifically speaking, if the sun was 3 inches closer to us, we'd burn to death. However if it was 3 inches farther, we'd all freeze to death. Or how about the fact that every person is made unique. What are the chance that some big boom happened and made everything so perfect. I mean, I don't know about you idiots, but usually when i see chemicals explode, it usually causes a lot of destruction, not make things, much less things as perfect as humans, animals, plants, everything.
And evolution, hahahahahahahaha another lie. I will admit however small evolutions is visible, but not from tadpoles to humans. No. Not real. I mean if it is, why don't you see monkeys turning into humans now? You don't. As a matter of fact, on Darwin's deathbed, he admitted that darwinism or the evolution theory was a lie. He did it just to look smart in front of his peers.
Retard words=
1.Omniscient-having complete or unlimited knowledge, awareness, or understanding; perceiving all things.
2.Omnipotent-almighty or infinite in power
3.Omnipresent-present everywhere at the same time
Ok morons, what does that mean? It means God is not a human, he is not a spirit. He is a spiritual being. He's omniscient, he knows and understands everything. He's omnipotent, his power is limitless. And He's omnipresent, He's everywhere at all times. He is God. You just can't understand that because over the course of your entire lives, you are told what is and what isn't......HUMAN-wise. Humans cannot understand and know EVERYTHING. We do not have unlimited power. And we can't be everywhere at once.
So give up. He's there, and he's watching you, and one day when you're sitting at the gates of heaven hoping to get in, and you don't hear your name get called, you're gonna think, "I should have listened, and damn, it's getting hot."
Thanks.
i don't think that guy is gunna come back...it's really stupid, they want to argue, but only stay long enough to say their part.
It's not like we believe in there not being a god - it's just that there isn't a fucking god there in the first place to beleive in!
And don't retort with some rubbish like "well that's what YOU believe!"
Imagine if you are a Christian, do you believe the Hindu God Ganesh does not exist? Or do you not believe in Ganesh?
If you believe that unicorns do not exist, then may I say that you a member of the "No unicorns" religion? Is it a matter of faith that unicorns do not exist? Can I come along to your non-unicorn church with you tomorrow?
There is a big difference between positively believing that a thing does not exist, and simply lacking belief in it's existence.
christians who's "don't do as I do, do as I ..." oops! I mean "as god tells you to do" attitude makes me sick and are the reason I will always reject organized religions. Spirituality and religion are not the same.
Ok well first of all i am a christian but not a die hard christian i'll go to church every now and then im not really too fussed about it.
Ok well all the people stating the bible is all fake and crap the people who believe the bible word for word are the fundamentalists and too be honest i think these guys are wackos, these people believe dinosaurs don't exist because they weren't in the bible.
And if you skip past the abuse and opinions Mimir2 actually has some decent facts backing up his argument and too deny his argument completely isn't very smart.
Also although the bible was written ~ 2000 years ago there has been many, many copies of it found through out the years which implies that the writings in the bible today have not changed too much since when it was first written.
And lastly it all comes down to what your opinion of GOD is, there's a book mostly fiction but has non-fiction melded into it its called Angels and Demons written by Written by Dan Brown ( the same guy who wrote The Da Vinci Code) its a good read and i recommend it but some of the stuff he explores in it is quite good to think about and with the recent happenings in Switzerland with CERN and the particle accelerator, they were trying to find the buildings block of life to more understand it these were the most basic atoms of pure energy they were called the GOD atom or something, anyway the book explores that the atoms are pure energy and the big bang theory claims that the universe started from an explosion of pure energy from a single point so depending on your view of God whether you see god as a old man with a white beard or as a singular source of pure energy.
Any i've just put my opinion forward and i've tried to look at both sides hope this helps a bit.
With the guys that come around to the doors yer they'd piss me off too but they're just people who have found happiness and want people to find the same happiness, but even knowing that if they ever came around to my place i'd say go away and if the persisted i'd let the doberman loose.
And to all the people who swear in your post, i have nothing against swearing but when reading these post when people just have abuse it just makes the person look ignorant and any good points they have are shadowed because of this.
Anyway this is my first post so be nice :P
if they can understand this logic, then there is none other explaination than low intellegence. common sense tells us that such a being cannot exist. intellegence in the form of science tells us such a being cannot exist. so why do we still believe? even if they were indoctrinated at a young age, threatened with a make-belief hell, it doesn't take much brain to figure out it's impossible. are they simply too stupid to see that its impossible? or do they choose to believe even thou the cons greatly overcome the pros, and its obvious such a being cannot exist, out of pure ignorance? i say that's even worse than low intellegence. that brings out the worst of us. our GREED and DESIRES. if the bible did not promise heaven and hell, none of us would believe. perhaps this is why many choose to believe?
you may say im making the assumption that god does not exist. but before you say it, read over all i've said on this page, and this one:
http://isitnormal.com/story/23635/
you asked for me to be nice, do i did. i can see you may be simply seeing things from the wrong perspective. i say this because you openly admit that anyone who believes everthing the bible says is wrong. your arguement is mainly based on the purpose and good of religion. thats a good for me too, because #1 i don't have to write as much, and #2 i don't have to go on the offensive to use occasional verbal abuse (i really hate idiots who believe everything they read from a 2000 year old book).
thats it for today, tata!
here's a piece i have not said before:
i believe religion is holding back the developement of human civilization. as long as man choose to believe in such ridiculous theories of creation, we will never be able to advance into the next era. if we are to explore space, find out how the universe is created, find out all the secrets of this universe, we have to put behind us the religious dogma man has created. religion is like a handicap, preventing us from seeking truth about the universe. many theists would not even consider spending money on research on how the universe was created if it relates to science. you see how this affects us to find the truth? im sure there are die-hard theists out there who will do anything to prevent their god from being disproven, even if they know "god" doesn't exist. "god" is a boulder tied to our feet, and science is the scythe to release it. until religion is left behind us, we will never be able to take the great leap foward.
I won't write anymore because i don't actually care that much for this topic people can believe what they want as long as it doesn't have a drastic impact on me i don't care what they do (it's probably selfish but it's the truth) It's just fun to have a small debate with people who actually post reasonable arguments.
The fervent fundamentalist whether Protestant or Catholic, Jew or Moslem is closed to reason and even communication for fear of losing the security of childish dependence.
You%%u2019re bible is nothing more than rich powerful men on an ego trip, holier than thou corruption and violence (because violence is only ok if Christians use it, God commands ONLY Christians have the right to kill, mame and defile.) You see the type of mind frame these fundamentalists have? Even though there were many different religious beliefs before theirs and many new ones to follow; they are the only ones that are correct and they MUST use force and then they will get to go to heaven?
Christians are the most evil people alive; the ones that follow the bible fully. The ones that pick and chose parts of it because they think it makes them a %%u2018good person%%u2019 are just hypocrites and dullards. The bible is one of the most dangerous books in our existence, and it%%u2019s Christian%%u2019s chimpanzee part of the brain falling for all of this.
yet another person that deserves a so called "heaven" way more than the christian idiots.
im bored with no good debates goin on so ima make a list of ppl who are very gud at this =D
list of very smart atheists and deists:)
mirir2
pringletot
pringletot2
c*ckCrazyGirl4Life
PooLTOY
samwise
lixzone(who happens to be my brother)
meatcurtain
and don't forget WildChildTDC :)
and the countless more who are trying to rid this world of ignorance
list of smart theists who still has hope:
lotsofjunk
list of plain dumbass idiots that you shouldn't even try to debate with:
sungirl (who actually has trouble copying a name and spelling it right. rmb her, pringletot?)
DoctorZip
list of the top threads for god debates on isitnormal:
http://isitnormal.com/people/WildChildTDC/comments/
and of course this one :)
"science was created to prove god's creations"
bullshit. btw thats what one guy said >_>
Science trys to explane everything about the world, so maybe we will know for sure how the universe was made. Theology says "We know enouth, read the bible". If we followed the theology idea we would still be in the stone age.
ps sorry cant spell
Alright jackballs, so you don't believe in God, huh?
Okay, fine. You'll get no problem from me on that, this is a free country after all.
But WHY, original poster, do you say that you HATE CHRISTIANS? You don't believe in God, hey, it's your right. But why do you (Both) feel as though you have to demean and mock others for finding comfort in THEIR beliefs?
That's my problem with non-christians and people who dislike religion - they can't seem to leave others to have their beliefs in peace.
Lest anyone feel I am playing favorites, I ALSO cn't stand the really Zelous type of Christians who get all up in your face and ORDER you to believe the way THEY believe.
*I* am a Christian. I worship My God in My way. I don't flaunt it on street corners or go door to door bothering people but I believe and I can take comfort in that.
So why must *I* be hated simply because you, poster, don't share my faith? Is it maybe because the whole idea of religion and something greater than you is a threat to your ego?
You and Moonlighting - I don't Care if you believe in God, if you don't believe in God and think it is all so much bullshit, or if you sit in your bathtubs and worship watermellons - by candle light.
But please extend me the same consideration. Who/What *I* worship is none of your damned concern!
Tobra
as a good christian you should stop throwing around so much hatred and the whole "damned" and "jackballs" - doesnt make for good civil conversations.
And I dont care what you believe: Santa Claus or Jesus or an amoeba...it's your call. Just as long as you dont try to make others feel inadequate cause they dont...go worship whoever you want. But let this be told: most christians are not like "oh i do my thang and i am a good person and i dont bother anyone". They DO bother everyone with their narrow-minded, bigoted worldview.
I mean look, because of a neo-con right wing religious party (that is using religious manipulative tactics) we have shit like we have now: judges against abortion, teaching unscientific crap like creationism in schools, wanting to mix church and state...
it makes me sick - makes me wanna throw up. And then you tell me "I" shouldnt talk hate?
I do believe in god, i just dont believe in organized religion. Religion is the disease, the cancer of this society. It has done more harm than good.
A "Do whatever feels good to you" mentality might Sound good, but when happens when everyone takes that mentality and then one of them decides that it would make them feel good to do You serious bodily harm?
Hey, I am religious, not near perfect. I don't cram my faith down people's throats, but when some people down religion because They don't care for it and start saying that it shouldn't be allowed...
Well, to each his own.
Tobra - IIN Diva
Just because you need to believe in SOMETHING doesnt mean that the something has to be fairy tales. Religious people are the worst anyway: they are the biggest hypocrites, the most intolerant...i mean you know how religious people are said to be the ones who are supposed to love everyone and care for everyone and embrace others, yet they are always the ones being quick to judge someone as not worthy or beneath them because they are not in their religion. And it is always the god-less faithless people you claim have no morals, who are always the ones accepting someone despite their faith. And I do: as long as the other person keeps their faith to themselves or introduces me to it without the "holier than thou...let me save your soul" kind of attitude, I am fine. I have friends who are religious...
F**K ALLAH F**K ALLAH RIGHT IN THE ARSE
make love not religion...
(ok... i now its retarded...but you know what i mean...)
Yes Muslims top the list. but the Christians are only a millimeter behind followed by Americans.
Most people are religious for a few reasons
1) by default - cause that's something that you just grew up doing and cause the idea of this all having been created by no divine intervention seems...strange (note: most uneducated people think like this)
2) you want salvation and rewards and are scared of consequences if you dont do A, B, C (i.e. people are good cause they wanna be rewarded afterwards and not burn in hell...)
Come to think of it: i must laugh at the idea of a whole species of humanoids that have achieved amazing things technologically actually thinking that there is a hot, bad place that will torture you at some point when you depart, if you havent been a good christian/muslim,jew...that's just stupid. Why not then also say that the Earth is flat...it's exactly the same thing.
I always think about it like if someone believed so much in this old book and found a historical figure in it and then was 'praying to, and seeing or feeling it' would go down at the shrinks as a pyscosis and they'd be medicated.
My opinion only To truly think there is a heaven and a hell is really anal, but the worst part is that they WONT LISTEN to anyone elses beliefs because they say theirs is the one and only TRUE WAY.
Keep it to themselves ok but ram it down your throat, jesus that pisses me off!
i'm muslim
half of them hate muslims but i still dont hate them cuz in our islamic way we have to recpect other religions.
And if you Christians are "told" like a dog, to love thy neighbor...why do you Hate homosexuals? Christians are so proud, and think they know whats true, its all crap, how stupid can you be?, Catholics, Mormons, Jews, Muslims, and every other type of religious organization is based on lies, and every church should be burned. You lie to your children about santa, and fairies...what makes you think someone at some point didnt lie to YOU? take you heads out of your ass.
"Amen"
(I'm not religious, in case you were wondering.)
People say when you have a kid, and you see him for the first time and you hold him, your feelings change. I beg to differ. I hate that little bastard and I wish he had never been born. He is breaking my damn wallet and is costing me an arm and a leg. Ive worked hard my whole life hoping to have a successful life, and here comes a woman I sleep with who refuses to have an abortion, and takes away my success. I'm ruined because of her. I sometimes wonder if I should just let her put me on child support and then just dip and never have anything to do with her or the baby. Never seeing her or the baby would actually make me very happy. I thought I was evil for feeling this way, but I can see there are more people out there. I'm glad I found this site
1.) allow the *possibility of sin entering into the world in the first place by putting the damn tree in the garden
2.) impose such heinous consequences for eating the fruit of that tree
3.) put people through wars of mass annihilation and bitter strife for thousands of years before
4.) killing himself to guilt-trip all of us and
5.) conveniently disappear from the face of the Earth and give us nary a miracle/sign of His existence since then (need i add all the accounts of "faith-healed" cripples dying the next day, and amputees never regaining a limb except through *surgery which doesn't count)
6.) leave us to bicker over the "true" meaning of his "word"/"commands" (whatever that may be- revealed through the Bible, Koran, Talmud, or some crackhead's golden specs), and even *kill each other over it (witness: Israel-Palestine)
7.) make this world of pain and suffering so excruciating AND demand endless worship/contrition...
... when he could so *easily have done things otherwise...?
(I could name a lot more- flaws in the "perfect" human body, the perpetuation of hatred by the church and such, but i'm lazy)
Please, answer.
Simply leaving it to "his infinite wisdom", "mysterious ways", and "someday it'll all make sense" *WON'T cut it (fyi that's what cults use to shut up dissenters). There are *real problems in the here and now which won't be solved by some Bronze Age relic.
Quibbling over semantics doesn't advance your credibility one bit. This only shows up your despearate attempts to hide your ignorance.
It's like an artist spewing crap over the canvas and demanding that we bow down in awe of him and his shoddy "work"... otherwise we'll get shot and thrown in an eternal pool of acid.
Am i arrogant to say that, based on the evidence, they *probably do not exist?
I doubt so.
try to lighten up alittle and faith in something is a good thing
And I 'm christian and I haven't planned out a second of my life, i don't even go to church! But I read the bible. I can see someone haveing a different religion and all but you can't just say christians are the crazy ones, all regions are f***ed up and unbelieveable.
Yes, i agree: ignorance is a scary thing. ignorance is also borderline rude when one doesn't have their facts straight.
Something tells me you dont know much about the bible. it's also hard (impossible) to judge something one doens't even know anything about - that would just be racism (christianity isn't a race, but you'd get my point).
Being raised christian i can say that i hate christians (partly because i find them too ~fiendly~ also, the church that i go to is not the community i want to be part of and being forced to go their by the parents is not helping me like christians any more than i do)
I wish I could say the Bible was a nice story, but it's full of brutallity, about a God people worship, even though he made people kill eachother to prove they loved him.
I wish I could say it was factual, at all, but there are too many unbelievale incidents in there, and besides, it contradicts itself way too often, which goes against it, since the ible is s'posed to be the word of God, and God makes no errors, so if God were to make errors, (which he does, I can point out at least one error on every page), then it would copmpletely defy the actuallity of God.
I wish I could say the Bible has helped to make people better people, by helping them follow rules so's they'll not hurt one-another... But, let's take a look at wars, Catholic priests and little boys, and of course, serial killers. What a coincidence that I found this page today, I'd just been reading up on serial killers, and I dound that near all of them were either in the belief they were obeying orders from God, or being controlled by demons. Now, I'll give an example. Fish, a cannibalistic child killer announced that he knew what he was doing wasnt wrong because otherwise an angel would've stopped him. Gein, the killer who inspired the characters Buffalo Bill, Norman Bates and Leatherface, was heavily influenced by the Bible and his mothers continuous ranting.
No, I'm not saying every evil is commited by God-believers, but I'm just pointing out that your ideas that the Bible makes you better people is bullshit.
And nor am I saying that there isn't a God. I believe there isn't, that doesnt mean there isn't. I'm just giving a few reasons as to why I do not believe, and why I wouldn't believe even if I saw any logic in the idea.
And also, I have not a problem with Christians, or people of any religion, until they get to this idea that 'Evolution is bs, Athiests are stupid and evil and will burn in hell, my belief is right, and no, I don't need proof, even though you do, because I have faith'.
I must admit, no one, not even myself can argue for or against religion without contradiction.
And I don't really believe in evolution either, though I understand it better than I do Christianity.
In fact, I'm a fallibilist. Athiesm isn't the belief in nothing, fallibilism is. Research it.
Xx, Ferret
P.s lol at above fight over who's IQ is higher. Mine's 187, think I win.
And, I leave with you a hilarious link to some truley ignorant Christians. No offense to those with brains, I'm sure you'll feel rather ashamed you share the same religion as these idiots.
http://bloggasm.com/hilarious-quotes-from-fundamentalist-christian-chat-rooms
Now if I were judging someone on what they believe I would judge them on why they believe. What evidence they have for their beliefs and what evidence they have against their beliefs and why they decided that the facts they have, or believe they have, for their beliefs outweigh the facts against it.
Bottom line is if you believe what you believe for the correct reasons then whatever it is any kind of god out there should accept it. And if they don't then its a fucking douche bag god that doesn't deserve being worshiped. It'd be like me saying worship and praise me or I'll torture you to death over 50 years of non-stop torture. Would you think that's fair, just, and wise? No
I'm not saying there is no chance in there being a god, I am saying there is no chance in there being a god that is worth worshiping.
God is a fucking useless cunt that has destroyed the human population more effectively than we would have otherwise. If there was concept of a god we might finally accept gay people, if there were no concept of a god blacks wulda been freed a whole lot sooner, not instantly mind you them being the "colour of the devil" was one reason the white man thought he had superiority over blacks but not the only thing, abolishion to slavery would have come sooner, but it wuld still hav had to come as there was slavery for many more reasons than religion.
The Christian belief in God based on mythos in the bible is illogical, true, but as has been brought up, everyone has the right to believe what they believe and hate what they hate.
Alternatively, there are less hateful ways to say "I disagree with what you believe." and the ways discussed in this post and the comments above are childish and derogatory under the guise of logic and free speech.
Simply put, you guys are a bunch of babies. If something offends you, ignore it. If something sparks an interest in discussion, be civil. Basically, I'm seeing a bunch of namecalling and back-and-forth spats over who's right and who's wrong.
With that said, I'd like to point out that before I get set upon by the countless angry and disturbed, you are on the internet under a veil of anonymity. This is NO excuse to slam other people for their beliefs or creed. For example: Would you falsely yell "Fire!" in a crowded theatre? No, you wouldn't (unless, y'know, you're in to that sorta thing.) and you really never should, again, be respectful and civil.
Hopefully this entire discussion can get turned from a huge flamewar to a pleasant and civil debate.
Although I must agree with winterfresh(21111), religion is the cause of much violence. It's really an unnessecary hassle. I believe that religion is a way for some people to cope with the hardships of life. Of course, life can be hard, but everyone must suffer and it's really a matter of if you can take it or not.
I don't hate any people who practice a religion. They have a belief and an opinion, and the way I say it, either only one belief is right, no belief is right, all beliefs are right, or some beliefs are right. So, meh. I'll just live my life to the fullest. Until I see God come down from the sky and tell me who's right, I'm not gonna worry too much about it.
Like that all Christians are dumb and delusional, All christians are prejudiced, All christians are intolerant of other people.
christians are annoying cos of thier sales pitch and how they, whenever you find conclusive proof to prove god dosent exist, just try to cover it up and get off topic
If certain Atheists were to learn this "Big-Bang Theory," well, I have a question: "have you ALSO learned about being Well-Mannered during the course of your studies?" or atleast HEARD of the word "Courteousness?"
If you still want to rub your "Evidences" in our faces, it's fine, go ahead. But know what? WE GET IT. So LEAVE it. We've heard of it & you've known ours, so let it be. Everyone has excellent points to pursue, but you need not to call our belief such names when we dearly think the same way as you do towards our beliefs.
My point is, if we Christians don't believe in your concept of how the earth was made, or your point of view or whatsoever, let us be. Because I'm sure that you don't want to hear a word about our religion. You have your own believers don't you? So do your way as freely as you want & we'll do ours peacefully. & Don't call degoratory statements to our faith, as I said, It's only a matter of belief. No matter what you do, nobody'll give in 'nways.
Peace to Everyone.
With all due respect,
Me.ü
and
many christians out there, pray for YOU.
and what i am telling you is the TRUTH.
ps. I pray that you could meet God, soon or later in your life.
but do please try and keep crazys out of the gov't.
I hate their religion. It is normal.
As far as I can tell, what we call "god" is a sadistic being fabricated from lies, false hope, and dependence.
So let them be. If they come up to you and start pestering you, then do whatever you want. Shove some almighty evidence in their well-meaning faces or maybe punch them. Punch them HARD.
Ignorance is a scary thing. But depending on the situation, it can kill you or save you.
If you want to know what I define as Faith just ask me.
and really the only sane option
I dunno i just think theres something totally crazy out there that goes beyond us hundreds of millions of years GOD. there is just sooooooooooo much we do not understand that there is a chance that GOD exists. Unless you believe that we are the only ones that exist in the entire universe and that Giraffes evolved in such a manner that they developed a rete mirabile to be able to drink water and regulate there blood pressure and created a sheath of skin in their lower limbs that works like a pilots g-suit so that their limbs dont explode under the tremendous pressure that their bodies create when they bend down to drink. pretty crazy giraffes
u know whats also crazy? we weren't the first to design rotary engines, the tinest rotation engine exists within every living organism to create energy. they are tiny molecules that actually produce torque. but it could be evolution, but maybe it could be intelligent design? meep.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2258763/posts
i dunno kinda creepy.
Here's Thomas Paine
"I would not dare to so dishonor my Creator God by attaching His name to
that book (the Bible)."
meep.
all of the arguments against god (and no, i will not capitalize that word) are pretty much infallible. normally i stay out of the way of religious arguments, but this one really caught my eye, mostly due to an amusing fact.
when the religious posters realised their arguments weren't winning, they began to complain about how we wouldn't leave them alone.
well, then. let's go back a few centuries, shall we? back to a time when christians raped, pillaged and destroyed nations of people who didn't believe in god. how can you say people are persecuting you after the perverse things you have inflicted upon the rest of the world. it sickens me.
and yes, religion is the root of almost every war, aside from personal gain, which is tied into religion anyway. is it not personal gain upon which the whole worship god or go to hell idea is based upon anyway?
this point cannot be argued against, and do you know why? you're a human being, personal gain is imprinted into your very nature, each of the alleles that make up your genetic code.
thanks for listening to my rant. Vraid out:D
I have heard an Atheist scientist say this is fact and a scientist who is a Christian say that is a lie. So how can a person who has not fully studied the subject of evolution and creation say this is what I believe to be true if the so-called experts call each other liars? If one even goes so far in study to become an expert what good is that for they see what they want.
What is truth?
A truth should unite and not divide. All divisive statements which cast doubt on someone%%u2019s right to truth is a lie and all statements that unite one to another is truth. In its simplest form love is truth and hate is a lie. But a person without love can easily understand this to be false for they have no foundation to comprehend the meaning. So even here some will believe that love is false and hate is truth.
Is truth comprehension? I think therefore I know truth. How shallow is that! Billions of truths walking the earth saying this is what is because I know it. Some rising above the others in leadership of large groups, do many people banded together make truth, many people listening to Billy Graham or the many listening to Adolph Hitler each with their own truth? No, the masses do not know truth. The variables of one apply to the many.
%%u201CBeauty is only skin deep,%%u201D and so it is with truth. You can believe in a higher truth than humanity possesses who is God. Or you can believe in carbon dating and other facts of science. Both speak of the authority of their truth that makes it of greater value. That failing they move onto emotions and the one who yells the loudest has the greatest truth?
It has been said, %%u201CThere is no meaning to be found in the world beyond what meaning we give to it.%%u201D Is truth simply what we make it to be? The greater truths are known by the amount of feeling attached to them? Is truth not a fact but an emotion like love or hate? Is truth something to be felt and never known? Judging by the content of this and many others posts I would say, Yes%%u201D. But of course anyone who is can say to me, %%u201CNo.%%u201D
Jesus is supposed to be this super humble guy right? How ridiculously pretentious is it to claim, or believe that you are the son of God?
The idea of Heaven and Hell is the most contrived thing I have ever heard of. If god is so almighty why would he use the same method that parents use to make their kids behave. ex.. "telling your kids that if they don't behave they will get a stocking full of coal for christmas."
The simplistic reasoning behind heaven and hell is a smoking gun. How can it be anything but a man-made instrument to gain control of humans?
He has a totally valid point any atheist could regurgitate for you on call - because it is all common sense
Read up on you Dawkins, Hitchens, even your Harris before you attack this non-believer personally; dick.
-Brent-
i dont HATE christians. hate is a very strong word.
I think christian (and all religion) is a very misguided path of life.
There are only 2 major problems i have with religion.
Muslims scare me. i don hate them - but they do frighten me.
I FUCKING HATE CATHOLOCISM.
Bunch of fucking bastards.
(btw i live in ireland, so i know more about catholocism then most of you. i have been bought up with that evil way of life.)
What does a stupid moron like you know about "reality"?
Reality check you spastic - whatever you believe to be "reality" in the end it also has an element of 'faith' to it.
god dont take revenges -.-
I think that people have a right to believe in what they believe in. If you don;t think that's what happened, that's okay, if someone tries and tells you "IT'S REAL, IT'S ALL REAL!" Then you have a right to be angry, but perhaps you should let them think what they think, it's their right.
I'm not telling you to believe in it, I wouldn't do that, but I'm just saying I do, and so do others, whilst others, like you, don't. But it's fair to let people have an opinion. You have yours, I have mine.
keep your nasty opinions to yourself.
Burn in hell a**hole.
Actually since you mention Moses I am taking an Ancient Civilization class in college right now and it's funny because we were talking about this great tidal wave that wiped out the island of Crete suppossedly and the teacher mentioned some people believe this is when Moses and the chosen people crossed the sea.
I really don't know what to believe but historically the Bible is pretty accurate. I know Hebrews mostly wrote the Bible, but faith is not just something that can be taken for granted, it is as real as love or hate.
-peace
But i dont think you have to be a christian to have this view, personal values are more important than a religion.
I am not christian but my whole family is and the reason i initially did not want to be christian is that i found that some christians are hypocrites, some worse than non-christians, but believing that god loves them makes them feel like they can continue being hypocrites.
Since then i have stopped believing that there is a god but that does not mean that i believe in the big bang, although some people automatically jump to this conclusion, that is not the case.
I honestly believe that we will never find out what the correct belief is but i am highly positive that religion is not it.
Think of it this way, if you are a product of something, the thing that created you is obvously too complex for you to understand seeing as it created everything we know. Whatever it is, did not just create people, it created every matter known and unknown to man.
You would have to exist outside of our reality to be able to understand what it is that created us. Then comes the problem that if that created us what created IT?
And this will never be answered. If everything was created by something then there was never nothing, but there must have been nothing for there to then be something, right?
It just doesnt add up.
Think people. Don't take things you are told as fact. Think for yourself. I am not asking you to believe me, only asking you to take everything into consideration before making up your mind.
I believe the scientists persuing the answer is a good thing as it helps us to understand as much as we can about everything in the process, but i do believe we will hit a brick wall.
thanks for reading and i am happy to read any replies whether they agree or disagree.
tony
Sorry god. If you exist.
The only difference between me and the none-believers is that I believe in God, And I dont need any proof on his existence.
Please for the love of FUCKING get the snip.
you can be athiest without telling people that they're idiots.
To think through feelings is called nihilism.
what makes this not as crazy is yes the big bang theory and the evolution theory are just theory but the is some science to back it up i do believe that there is an after life of some sort but i think some of the bible is BS
also, i am a christian, but i am not an idiot. truth is, many christians in today's church make themselves look like hypocrites and fools. if i was an atheist or any nonbeliever for that matter, i would personally not want to be a part of the church either. what many people teach is far different from how they act. our culture recognizes christians as hateful, judgmental, obnoxious republicans who try to force their views on everyone else. these people are not true christians. Jesus is not a hypocrite. He came to love the unloved, feed the hungry, and embrace those who have never been embraced. he came to associate and have fellowship with liars, tax collectors, homosexuals, prostitutes, adulterers, murderers. we are each fearfully and wonderfully made in His image, by His great LOVE. christianity is based completely on LOVE. God is love and love is real. it's a religion of mercy and grace and UNCONDITIONAL love. all that we are asked for is faith.
Christ came to the world and said, "darling, child, i love you. i am love in the flesh. i am so incredibly in love with you, and i made you, i created you, i know every single hair upon your head, i know every freckle on your skin. i know your heart and i know your mind. and even though you have denied me, even though you have murdered and lied and judged and stolen and hated, i know you, and i love you and i want you to be mine. i want you to come with me, because i will show you a love that does not count those things of the past against you. i will forgive everything horrible you have ever done or will do. i will try to remake your heart so that love is at the center of it. not the absence of love. please, beloved, come with me and i will show you truth."
he came to LOVE to unloved. unconditionally. in return for faith.
i want this i want that
but i must say im kinda spoilt so thats proberly a reason for not particualry liking it
All the while I am Christan and belive in what I do, I would never plan my life.
Infact, I sin more then I do anything.
Ignorance my be scarey, but it is also bliss.
I am not hateing you for disslikeing my religion, I mean, I have been friends with a Devil worshiper and we got along swimmingly.
I may belive Jesus died to save me, But I do not blame you for you're hate.
You have every right to hate me for my belives.
But do not le your hate blind you to the point were if you had once gotten along with someone very well, then they tol you they were Christan, you would hate them only for their ignorance in faith.
Religion is not needed for life, it is only needed for hope.
post to etmuir@googlemail.com if u want to talk
Someone was talking trash to cockcrazygirl being serious but spelled her name with an asterisk...like if they say the word "cock", god will send them to hell.
I was born and raised having to go to church, but as I gained intelligence and experience in the world, I had the "Santa Claus Effect" and realized God is a myth derived from a book used to control people.
Most of the people I meet who call themselves christians try to force it on me, and get extremely mad if you dont believe the same as them...then they say you will burn in hell for not being like them. One common characteristic of these people as they all have challenges that rather than face and deal with, they crawl underneath the religion blanket and give up.
Most of them drink and fornicate as much as I, but feel that Sunday will get them off the hook.
I really do feel sorry for christians and other religious types because they are placing a bet that this is for real and the wager is their life.
i think someone said it...i think mirmir (?)... but there are a lot of flaws within the christian community... one the whole unifying belief or what it is supposed to be is that one believes in God, in Jesus as the Son of God, that he was born of a virgin, and that He died to save us from our sins
but because of our want to make sense of something that we don't really understand or can not physically grasp and its use as a political platform, its changed tremendously from its origins... extra messed up. the people who come by your door are either Mormans or Jehovah's Witnesses...
and i admit it can get a little aggravating :)
but i just let them speak their heart
according to baptists, JWs are wrong because they think the trinity are completely separate beings (baptists think the trinity are different manifestations of God)... i was raised baptist
but i left my baptist church because of certain prejudices it carried
i'm non-denominational now and i look at the Bible as a way to live life... i still believe in what i believe
but people are open to their beliefs no matter what they may be
i don't think you should hate them for what they believe
if its because they pressure you just let them understand that its not for you
i was taught that people will come to Christ when they feel compelled to...it's not a thing that should be rushed or forced
i've told people if in the end my choice to believe in Christ wasn't the right belief then i'm okay wit that because i know what made me happy. :)
srry for the novel
u beleive in hokus pokus alah
religions cause so much def and sadness
you're all so close minded.
the bible is contradicting..
everyone is supposedly supposed ot be accepted and shit but just because a guy is with a guy or a chick is with a chick you discrimnate them and all the down right DUMBASS
First of all, all religions believes in some kind of human, like Jesus.
Muslims love Jesus because he is a messenger from God.. But actually he is not the God and not the Son of the God.
He is a Human being Just like Us.
But God (allah) Gives him a power to show the people and to give attention.
Muslims believes in Jesus not as a God, But as a Great messenger of god just like The prophet Mohammed, and Mouses, and Adam ( The father ) .
this is what was written in the Koran and in the Bible.
hmmmmmmmm, I wonder and I am just asking you ever so faithful christians, do you fear god?
because I hear all the time "fear god or his wrath will get you"..... I am trembeling in my shoes (sarcastic), what kind of god makes you fear hm.... on second thought what kind of "loving, forgiving" god whould allow all the shit that happens in this world?
In genesis 4:13 it says "Cain replied to the Lord, 'My punishment is greater than I can bear. For you have banished me from my farm and from you, and made me a fugitive and a tramp; and everyone who sees me will try to kill me."
So my question is... who is the "everyone" cain is referring to? Sounds pretty contradictory to me... im not stabbing at christians... its just one of the few questions i have with the bible...
The faithful believe in their god, and don't believe in the other, say, 9,999 gods fabricated by different human cultures over time.
I do not believe in 10,000 gods, the faithful don't believe in 9,999 gods.
Yet they argue with me. Odd
Matthew 26:52 Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.
Jesus got what he deserved when he was crucified. Every Nazi is a Christian.
"Why do you call me good? Only God is good." ~ Jesus
Darth Christ is not God because He admitted he wasn't good.
"How well we know what a profitable superstition this fable of Christ has been for us." ~ Pope Leo X
John 4:10-16, DRINK OF THE LIVING WATER, make sure you lick the nuts before you suck the dick as Jesus instructed. Some drinks you just can't order at the bar unless it's inside a brothel. Either Jesus was history's first porn director of he starred in his own films.
Although Christian heads were rather crude consoles[during the Viking era], kicking them around was way ahead of it's time in gaming pleasure.
http://hypnosis.home.netcom.com/iq_vs_religiosity.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religiosity_and_intelligence
The majority of humans inhabiting the Earth are Christians that have a 100 or lower IQ.
I've always been into learning about the different religions other then my own, I am a Christian,not the kind to force any of my beliefs on anyone who doesn't agree with my beliefs, I'm somewhat is religious in that that I go to church,I pray, and celebrate the Christian holidays but though I read the Bible I don't 100%% go by it. And yet as I believe in God I also believe in Evolution and the ways of science. I'm not the only one some modern Orthodox Jews view evolution and the story of Genesis as compatable, some believe the 7 days as not literally "days" but perhaps on the lines as millions of years. And though science can show the ways on how Life came to be but not the beginnings of well everything.
Science has the "Big Bang" theory while Judeo-Christian beliefs also have the "Creation" theory, but each has its own "holes" so to say.
The Big Bang theory says the Universe came into being when dust and debris in the middle of nowhere exploded. Really imagine nothing in existence at all and suddenly there's dust...where'd the dust/debris come from?
Everything comes from something....
God perhaps...course I didn't leave this one out either again nothing in existence if God is real where did He come from?
So in truth I don't think any of us will ever truly know but if one believes in God or a god that's fine as long as you don't try to shove God into everyone's face, and if you don't believe in God or a god then that's ok too just don't do with fundamentilist Christians do and shove it in people's faces otherwise you're no more better or less ignorant then they are. Trust me I know some things just wouldn't work I know a fellow Christian who out right told me he believed dinosaurs and humans lived at the same time. What the fuck this isn't the Flintstones...I didn't tell him that I should have but I didn't.
I'm not that crazy but I do believe that science and God could one way or another helped each other create the Universe and life and the way things are whether you believe in that or not is up to you. Or whether you believe in God or not is also up to you but I just don't believe that you're wrong or right if you do or don't.
%%u2018%%u2019Is hell exothermic or endothermic? Support your answer with proof.%%u2019%%u2019
Most of the students wrote proofs of their beliefs using Boyle%%u2019s Law or some variant. One student, however, wrote the following:
"First, we postulate that if souls exist, then they must have some mass. If they do, then a mole of souls can also have a mass. So, at what rate are souls moving into hell and at what rate are souls leaving? I think we can safely assume that once a soul gets to hell, it will not leave. Therefore, no souls are leaving. As for souls entering hell, let us look at the different religions that exist in the world today. Some of these religions state that if you are not a member of their religion, then you will go to hell. Since there are more than one of these religions and people do not belong to more than one religion, we can project that all people and souls go to hell. With birth and death rates as they are, we can expect the number of souls in hell to increase exponentially. Now, we look at the rate of change in volume in hell. Boyle%%u2019s law states that in order for the temperature and pressure in hell to stay the same, the ratio of the mass of souls and volume needs to stay constant. Two options exist:
1. If hell is expanding at a slower rate than the rate at which souls enter hell, then the temperature and pressure in hell will increase until all hell breaks loose.
2. If hell is expanding at a rate faster than the increase of souls in hell, then the temperature and pressure will drop until hell freezes over. So which is it? If we accept the quote given to me by Theresa Manyan during Freshman year, %%u2018%%u2019that it will be a cold night in hell before I sleep with you%%u2019%%u2019 and take into account the fact that I still have NOT succeeded in having sexual relations with her, then Option 2 cannot be true. Thus, hell is exothermic."
The student, Tim Graham, got the only A.
HAS ANYONE EVEN NOTICED HOW THE QUESTION DOESN'T ASK IS IT NORMAL AT ALL, HE'S JUST GIVING HIS POINT OF VIEW ON CHRISTIANITY?!
In genesis 4:13 it says "Cain replied to the Lord, 'My punishment is greater than I can bear. For you have banished me from my farm and from you, and made me a fugitive and a tramp; and everyone who sees me will try to kill me."
So my question is... who is the "everyone" cain is referring to? Sounds pretty contradictory to me... im not stabbing at christians... its just one of the few questions i have with the bible..."
Why can't "everyone" mean the other 3 people that existed?
Plus it's not a far fetch to speak of the people that were born after this incident. "Be fruitful and multiply" would seem to suggest that there would be more people.
in the end people are gonna believe what they wanna believe. and believe me when i tell you that i will send my gangster ass friend to rape all of you. just giving you a heads up.
But... Moses did not turn the sea into blood. It was supposed to be the Nile river. He later, with God's help supposedly, parted the Red (or Reed) Sea, but it was NOT blood, just water. From what I've seen on the History channel, there could have been a natural explanation for these events. But if you find Bible miracles hard to believe and accept, then don't. It is a free country, at least where I live. And even if you don't live in one, no one can really force you to believe something you don't want to... yet. No one has really mastered total mind-control, so far. They may, someday. (Hope NOT!)
But hating Christians, or anyone else for that matter, is a big waste of time and energy. Get a life, sweety! Best of luck!
so think about wut u say u r hurting ppl and nu suk!!!!! and i believe in jesus moses did do that i can prove it!!! wait no i cant:( not the point why?why r u acting like a jerk? wut if ur roman cathiloc? and i sed they suk d*cks? how wood u feel? think about it and post on my story and tell me how u wood feel and my story is "what i feel"
hope u get a life soon so u can surprise alot of ppl!!!!!! hate ur guts
lady_bug
my point is...i am a christian and i believe and you are not but as a opened minded person..im ok with it. i woudnt try to get you you to change your mind.and i wouldnt hate you for not believeing.
im a great person (i think) i joke around, have fun, etc. and im a christian. i dont think you would hate me just because i have morals that are based on what comes out of the bible. theyre actually not bad morals.
and i dont think you cant be a good person or someone i would befriend just because you dont have "jesus" in your life.
so just wondering...do you hate me?
Gee, we christians aren't all lke ned flanders!
And how do you know how the world was created? Us humans have made theories of what have happened, and not have firmly concluded what made the world. Sure, maybe it was the Big Band. Maybe it was God. Who knows? You don't. Neither do I.
You don't know if Moses really parted the seas, if Jesus really turned water into wine, etc. And it might sound ridiculous, right? But you don't know if God exists or not and made this happen. Ha.
There's a lot of things you and I don't know. But I do know you're being a retarded ranter on the Internet who vents out your anger on 'Is It Normal'. Seriously now?
Go suck a dick.
My point is it takes maturity and understanding to cope with people who are different from you, and it is apparent we dont have anyone on this page filling those shoes.
My advice for all the disrespectful "nonbelievers" agree to disagree, many would say that is the best way to go about our diffrences. Try takeing a step back and look at the Bigger picture. The world would be much better if we all get along. Think about it.
and immature comments back to this post wont ruffle my feathers so refrain yourself. Peace be with you. :)
But many people are sincere in their beliefs and everyone should be respected for what they believe in.
Hate isnt cool
I really believe that religious faith requires a certain level of stupidity. How do you know that yours is true and that theirs isnt??
The whole thing is a load of brainwashing bollocks. Christianity and Islam are nothing more than massive cults. They are also responsible for many of the worlds terrible problems.
If you're not a Christian, whoever you are reading this, you won't understand what I'm about to say.
Christianity isn't just a religion, it is Love. Yes, science goes along with Christianity - of course it does. In my heart I believe what the Bible says as truth, so therefore I have the seed of love. It brings pain and sorrow, and obligations like I have now to comment here, but it is a much joyous thing than to live without love.
Oh, sex is more DEFINITELY pure, and most DEFINITELY worth it. lucky for us we get to experience it fully, shamelessly and wonderfully, eh? xD
Only in the context of a lawful marriage, of course.
no i don't hate Christians, but i have no sympathy for the mindless horde, stupidity is a choice not a birth defect.
if u belive in evolution then think about this ok the explosion that started it all off how did it happen? find the answer ok how did that get there? if u cn find any answer beyond tht jus got to say again wat made that then and tbh the only way that can be proven is by saying something has always bin there that made it all happen
so ur saying GASSES (only real thing it can make is fire) and shit making an explosion by accident making the universe is more believeable than something (god) always been there all powerful and able to create life?
ur saying gas is more believeable of making life than an all powerful being? yeahhhhhhhh good one
i aint pushing u to belive in my beliefes but tbh even the most powerful people in the world (president and all tht) believe in god i aint saying tht them believeing in god makes it so but come on seriously u can believe in god and b a christian dont mean u ave to live difrently
Noone will listen to what you have to say until you learn correct grammar and spelling.
Why would a kind being create evil? This is an ancient question, usually associated with the phrase "the question of suffering". Most people don't go far enough when debating it, however. If god created the universe, it also would have created all laws, physics and logic. If this is truly the best god could do, it's not very good at creating existences. If evil *must* exist despite god's best efforts, god is subject to natural laws outside of itself is thus not omnipotent. Most christians now believe in free will. This is a relatively new development - its been a contested dogma historically. If our actions are determined (predestination) we are not responsible for them and do not deserve punishment or reward. Christianity has existed for roughly 2,000 years - a very, very small portion of the lifespan of the earth and a small portion of human history. What about the people who existed before the birth of Jesus or those who were never taught about Christianity? This is the vast majority of humanity. This means that if they are doomed through no fault of their own, the Judeo-Christian god is a heartless, fickle mass-murderer - or simply forgetful, having meant to include the possibility of salvation from day one. It's also somewhat of a racist, since there are a lore more white western christians than there should be, statistically, if humanly was evenly blessed. This would fit in with the part in the bible where he gives the black people hemmorhoids (I Samuel 5:9).
Evolution is difficult to comprehend for one reason - it moves so slowly that we cannot live to see it do much more than create antibiotic-resistant bacteria and viruses, or change the color of a small insect. Perhaps more dramatically, we control the evolution of plants. This is the basis of farming and our continued existence on the planet. People think that the idea that lightning sparking off the chemical soup of our primordial era, generating amino acids and then building into single-celled life is unrealistic. And it is, if you only try it once. If you try it billions and billions and billions of times, it will work - it obviously did. Evolution is a little bit like the infinite monkey theory - except that when a monkey types a little, he gets to mate and teach his children how to type, and when one fails to type, he's eaten. It would hardly take infinity to get one of Shakespeare's works out of them. (Hopefully not one of the historicals, yech). Religious edicts banning various scientific activities and censuring or condeming to death individuals who chose to try to understand life despite persecution have held back our progress so effectively that it staggers the mind. Today's stem cells pale in comparison to the suppression of Copernicus and Galileo, or the doctors who were forbidden to ever cut into a corpse to learn what was inside and how to heal diseases in the living.
Say the bible god.
When you mean god as in by the koran, say the koran god."
you sound stupid. the "bible god" and the "koran god" are the exact same thing.
however, just because someone beleives in god does not mean they have a right to look down or curse those of use who dont.
and just a reminder to this type of christian, the bible was written by man, not by god or his son. as far as you know, they created a completely fictious story just to sell for some bread or magic beans.
Religion keeps sexist and racist views in beaded in society.
Religion must be destroyed.
As Great Helmsman Chairman Mao Zedong said "religion is poison"
B: Basic
I: Instructions
B: Before
L: Leaving
E: Earth
The bible is nothing more than a book of lies and ignorance. Religion keeps sexist views, Religion keeps ignorance, Religion keeps reactionary views.
Marxist-Leninism and Juche will create a world free from sexism,racism,ignorance, and reactionary thought. A world were everybody is equal
"Imagine a world where people don't steal and lie and kill" In a Marxist-Leninism and Juche society nobody exploits each other they look after each over and treat each other as equals.
LONG LIVE MARXIST-LENINST AND JUCHE THOUGHT
wow that response was hilarious. And yeah, I hate them too.
PS.: sry for my english, I'm from Germany :P
If everyone lived according to the 10 commandements the world would be a much better place. You don't have to be Cgristian to understand that.
I mean not all christians are what you think they are ya know.
And I suggest you think before you start typing your sad stories on here just to be on the safe side in order to not offend anyone.
It is perfectly normal to challenge other religions, as long as you do so in a civilized way. Be careful, though… you are in for a ride.
I hate christians. Yes i hate the CONFORMIST Christians; not all christians. But know this; I like CHRISTIANITY. the idea of Christianity is a glorious one and the best concealed necessary lie ever in human history.
I have read a few of the comments, not all because it is simply too long and i realised a few things.
1. There are Christians who believed God as a real manifestation and is interpreting the Bible literally.
2. There are non Christians who condemned the idea of Christianity out of their superficial understanding of the need for this religion.
3. There are people who cannot tolerate others stupidity and attacks have became personal.
Hear me out now.
To the christian conformists (converts who are christians due to PEER PRESSURE [especially those who kept saying it's the largest religion so i am proud of it), loved ones, family, or simple those who enter the religion without prior in depth research into it]:
RELGION is a method devise by HUMAN to have PEACE/CONTROL/POLITICAL influence over their fellow people (where majority are less educated and dumber in those days.) Think about it, throughout history religion is spread ONLY by great powers. History is written by the victors. There is NO truth in history. NOTHING is purely documented innocently without any alteration. Human, we err. We cannot dispute whatever the Bible says nor support it. So why lie about the HOLY BOOK? I can assure you that it's because people tend to believe in you if you add in mythical stuff into it such as MIRACLES. And what is MIRACLE but an event that happened by obscure chances or we simply do not realised it because it is SO COMMON, e.g. conception is miracle, so is the BIRTH of YOU. Do we need to bow to something as common as YOU (what's the world population?) just like we worship a religion which is based on MIRACLEs to marvel its followers? Nothing happen in this world that is out of the law of physics. Physics is a study of natural occurence, if current physicist can't explain the occurence, it's due to our shallow knowledge.
I hate the phrase people use,"Believe in Him and Thou shalt be saved from the Eternal flames of Hell."
This is an appendix of ancient political pressure from the Popes or those in Dark Ages, trust me. If you read the whole Bible and UNDERSTANDs it, you know this is a bullshit. Mark my words, those of you who go around and preach Christianity and converts others with this slogan. You are BUT SATAN's little helper.
"He died for our sins."
It's to inspire us to do good, not literally taking our sins off and u can run clean.
So get this thru your thick heads you conformist christians. You people soiled the good nature of Christianity by not understanding your own religion and claiming it's the best and most truthful one because of your numbers. Get this, if everyone around you jumps off the building would you? It's time to shed off your mask of fear and insecurity and embrace the reasoning, a true gift of HUMAN from GOD.
You could be a reasoning fellow like me or a dumbass that doesn't know better. Religion is a human need to compensate for their insatiable curiosity than contemporary science is inadequate to explain. The world is not a fair place, it's equivalent to Hell in the Bible if you think about it. However there are CHARACTERS (note i am not saying humans/real or fake) like Jesus, to inspire a religion of love and peace. He did not form churches or any ORGANISATIONs. He did not travel far to preach, just doing it from his area of living. He may even be fake or real, but WHO CARES? The end result of his works (or stories) is a temporary peace and justice for the mob.
Sure you could argue that religions are used as an excuse for wars and violence e.g. Popes in the pasts are power crazed sadistic perverts but that's because they are just human and religion is a great power. And power corrupts.
There is nothing wrong, always, nothing wrong with religions but only its followers or misinetrepration of it.
Science is killing God. But sorry to disappoint the followers of science for science is supporting another religion and trust me, it is not Scientology but another MAJOR religion that its true followers do not claim it as a religion at all.
So why do you work so hard to dispute the existence of God? So that you can feel better? Without religions the dumber people will go crazy and become lawless and start killing all those smart people. (Hello, they outnumbered us by 1000:1 because statistically proven dumb people breeds MORE)
Wanna know what i believe in? I believe there are Gods and Goddesses, divine beings, higher beings. Do i respect Them? Yes. Do i worship them? No. I worship none and expects no rewards or blessings. For i desire none.
But you have nothing to back up that it isnt true- and in fact there have been signs and miracles proof that there is a greater being taking care of us. aka GOD
And the so called ancient book , think of it as a text book...you believe there was slavery over 300 years ago? But why? all you have ever seen as proof would be pictures in books - yet you beleive that it happened...
just something to think about-
and to hate the whole group - only hurts you.. if anything you could respect someone else's belief,- and if any christian has hurt you and thats why you hate them then try and forgive and move on- not all christians force the Bible down your throat- some really know how to love and shine God's light rather than make people feel guilty and terrible for their sins- that's not what God is about- He wants to love unconditionally and thats about it. all we do is receive his love and live our life. He saved me from depression and sadness and He has blessed me with air to breath and a place to live. What more could you ask for?
Don't mean to offend anyone! just wanted to say a couple things
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another thing that true christianity is about is accecpting everyone! There is nothing you can do to escape Gods love- He will show you someday you really just have to open your eyes. No matter what you do in your life- He's always there - you cant feel Him but he knows your pain and He wants to just hold you close- People/Christians who hate on people who are gay or anything like that dont know how to love - even if they do disagree with it gives them no right to hate. Thats prob the worse thing a so called christian could do - hate on someone just cuz they are different or they disagree with your beliefs. Those people dont know how to love. I say God loves me - heck! I love everyone! No standards with God so no standards with me! No judgement and no hate. Its pointless and gets you nowhere. Love to everyone!! <3
*get a life hater*
If you believe in God, and follow him, at the end of time you have everything to gain.
If you turn away from him and deny his love, If he happens to be real, you will burn eternally.
If this is something that for sure cannot be proven, why arn't you being smart about it?
what could u lose by believing in God?
Religion and believe in 'god' will keep humanity backwards and drive us away from change and progress.
The people must be told that no imaginary deity controls are destiny we do.
Great Leader Comrade Kim Il Sung said with the Juche Idea, that we humans are the masters of everything and should shape our own destiny.
"...man is the master of everything means that he is the master of the world and of his own
destiny; that man decides everything means that he plays the decisive role in transforming the
world and in shaping his destiny." Great Leader Comrade Kim Il Sung
Christianity has only been around for 2 thousand years. The Immortal Juche idea and Marxist-Leninist thought will last for over ten thousand years
LONG LIVE THE IDEAS OF GREAT LEADER COMRADE KIM IL SUNG
MANSE!!!
LONG LIVE DEAR LEADER COMRADE KIM JONG IL
MANSE!!!
LONG LIVE THE JUCHE IDEA
MANSE!!!
You cant bash the bible when you know nothing about it. Its not made up myths,"And then the talking snake said 'here, eat the magical apple'..." it sounds ridiculous but you must remember that biblical teachings do not state literal truths, they simply resemble symbolic truth and religious truth. The story of Adam and Eve for instance symbolizes that human kind will always fall to sin; that no one will be as great as their creator. But this does not mean that Gods love ends there. Yes we fall to sin, yes there are ppl who dont believe. "Blessed are thoes who have not seen and still believe" But Gods infinite mercy and love will never turn his back on us. We are all praying for you; you moron. Good luck in the real world without the strength of God. - Ill be back.
BTW- you've yet to state your beliefs. (do u even have any?)
We should all go back to worshiping the Greek, Roman, Egyptian and Norse Gods, man.
Your a fucking hypcrite. Juche IS a religion, no different than christianity. ALL religions are the same, theyre just MYTHIC NONSENSE!!!
You are very, very, very, very, very un-grateful!!!!!!!!!!!! They (no one, actually) turned any river into BLOOD. They parted it, they walked on the ocean bottom they DID NOT turn anything into blood......GOD IS HOLY, gosh...you are "upid-stae" (you are stupid) so if you HATE CHRISTIANS, screw you!!
Juche is a offshoot of Marxist-Leninism.
I know many of the west accuse Juche of being a religion but that is unfounded. It is a political movement NOT a religion.
Juche is a Marxist philosophy which is derived from the teachings of Leninism, Stalinism and Maoism.
So if you call Juche a religion you may as well call Leninism, Stalinism, Taoism, Maoism and practically all other forums of Communism 'religion', Which would be absolute stupidity.
to argue against a few of christianity's most popular arguments, pascal's wager, and the argument from creation in just a few words. Pascal's Wager: it states that if they(christians) are wrong, they lose nothing, but if I am wrong, I lose everything. Why should I pick a god based on the punishment he can dish out?there are many religions, most with their own form of punishment, so what if you are wrong? You will wallow in their Hell. And now the argument from creation: it basically states that there is no way that the universe happened by chance, as it is too complex. Well the simple argument is this. Complexity does not warrant a designer. Simple as that. Just look at the clouds, or the stars and you will see what I mean. These are some of the most beautiful and complex things, but they were created naturally. You see that Christianity? Your two most beloved theories were just (peacefully) debunked by an atheist 14 year old boy.
Sincerly,
The Theoretical Atheist
Sincerly,
The Theoretical Atheist
Prayer doesn't solve anything, action solves things. And why won't christians like you understand? I know that not all Christians are like you, thank god. No pun intended. But seriously, where do you get off calling my religious choice wrong? I've never bluntly called you wrong! Were god to make an appearance before me, or send me a divine warning, I would change my ways, but so far, with so much evil in the world... Where is he? Why does your god want children to die before their time? Why should there be so much war, and famine, and death, when God could solve it with just a day of work? If a God is Willing to stop evil, but not able, he is not omnipotent. If he is able but unwilling, he is malevolent. If he is neither willing nor able. He is nonexistent. If there is a god, he is a sore underachiever. Religion has been the base of many great wars. Stephen Hawking. Albert Einstein. Thomas Edison. Woody Allen. Karl Marx. These are all the names of famous atheists, and how often has there been a war fought over the lack of belief? The united states was founded upon the ideals of freedom, and that includes religious freedom. Why did atheists get left out. And touching back on pascal's wager. I can't change my beliefs like that. Besides, that would be lying, which is against the bible. And yea I've read the bible. Most atheists have. Hep does it feel to be intelligently told off by a pubescent lad?
Sincerely,
The Theoretical Atheist
i'm a Christian and i Love you.
i am human the day. i was born i started to die.
which makes life both beautiful something to be cherished and something scary...
i've never seen the point in hating someone for living the life they think they should live...
eventually some ideals stop being stop being statments and start being bitterness...
i do think its more normal to be angry at "god" then to hate people Who believe in him.
Free will is a Beautiful gift.
I have checked myself. Prayer may be beneficial to a single person at a single time, buy ultimately it clouds the mind and further reinforces thenidea of a deity. More wars have been fought on the basis of religion than anything else. We are all fighting to prove who has the better imaginary friend.
I have nothing against Christians, my best friends are Christians. More often than not, the christians I mention will be the stereotypical Christians who try to convert me on a daily basis. Those people I cannot stand, and I hope they burn in Hell for being so judgemental, and unaccepting. All I ask, is that Christians keep themselves in check, and be respectful. I understand that you feel we mock your beliefs. And some of us do. But that is only because Christians mock and attack atheists more than anybother theistic person. I have yet to meet a buddhist or Hindu who has tried to convert me or mock my lack of religion. Please understand, we just want to be normal people and live lives free from prejudice and unfounded hate. But Christians just won't let us be free. I know, not all of you Christians are like that. But some of you are. More than 10 percent of the world has identified itself as nontheistic, so you'd better get used to it. Why did atheists get left out of the religious freedom of the united states? One more thing. The USA is a godless country. It has no set religion is what I mean. So why do we print "In God We Trust" on our money? It doesn't make sense, and seems to go against the very foundation on which our country was formed, freedom from oppression.
Sincerely,
The Theoretical Atheist
But GOD still loves you!! :)
@ Sherman80: Unfortunate, but too true.
@ Starkmanfan28: I completely agree.
And way to stereotype an entire group of people. It's not like we're all the same.
Starkman just proved the posters point of believing in "hope" and relying on it.
There's no reason why some God should exist and why a person should be condemned to hell for not obeying the bible and repenting their sins. You Christians only believe in God because somebody told you to do it and convinced you of some magical force called faith.
hahaha I totally agree with that statement too. And I must say it's funny how all Christians insist that we will regret our beliefs one day because all they are trying to imply is that THEY ARE RIGHT AND WE ARE WRONG. Is this really necessary?
And as for the person who said that just because you don't believe in God doesn't mean he doesn't exist, you need to take a logic class or something. While that is *possibly* true, there is no evidence of a God that exists. There is no evidence that fairies exist or even flying pigs. You can say that there is no evidence that God doesn't exist but it's the same as saying that there is no evidence that flying pigs don't exist.
Sincerly,
The Theoretical Atheist
They lack knowledge of the bible or they dont believe whole heartedly. Im not exactly sure.
However, to say that theres no proof of Gods existence is ignorant.
The proof that he does exist is Jesus.
Dont roll your eyes yet.
Theres not a single historian that will tell you Jesus didnt walk this earth.
Why do we know so much about the roman empire. Because they documented everything. And guess what they documented the life of jesus as well. They even went as far as claiming they saw him perform magic. "miracles".
There are several historical documents claiming jesus was a real man. Not just the bible.
How do we know that christianity is the right religion?
Its not necisarilly the right religion. Its the relationship that gets you to heaven.
Bible prophecy proves that the god of the bible is true. Jesus predicted his death to the disciples. The book of daniel predicts things that are going on right now in the world.
There are no contradictions in the bible!
If you want more answers go to
Alwaysbeready.com
Or you can ask me. Ill answer the best i can.
Glory be to God!
(666)
J.K Rowling documented that Harry kicked Voldemorts ass but I really hope that thousands of years from now people won't be debating whether or not he saved the world from evil.
I'm not suggesting you shouldn't have faith but don't suggest that you have proof. Religion and science are bound by one thing only: neither can prove anything.
You said that the only thing that is the same between religion and science is that they both dont have any proof.
But there is proof.
First off God created science so there isnt any competitipn between the two.
Like i said before. The proof, is bible prophecy.
The bible said that isreal would become a nation in a single day. Well, that happened On may 14th 1948. 62 years ago today.
The bible also says that in the the future we will not be able to buy or sell without the mark of the beast. This means we would live in a cashless society. Today credit cards or debit cards is the prefered payment.
It says in the bible that the word of god will last forever. My friend, the bible is the oldest book still intact today.
This is just a few prophecies. There are hundreds of prophecies in the bible. None have been proved wrong.
The reason people dont believe, is that they haven't read the bible. Thats it.
Im willing to help anyone understand.
There is good information at
Alwaysbeready.com
Or tune into hischannel.com
Or ask me right here, ill do my best to help. God bless!
Tell me, did you see the first version of the bible as it was being written? Do you know (without simple faith) who was the person to pen that first book? Are you suggesting that "proof" is belief that the people who created it were in fact telling the truth? None of that - NONE - can be proven by documented evidence. That is why they call it faith - you believe what you hope to be true.
God could only have created science if he in fact exsisted, but we have NO PROOF that he ever did or does.
I went to a school that taught the way of God, that insisted upon reading the bible and discussing it's messages and what it meant for us today. I'm not so ignorant as to pass comment on something I know nothing about so please don't suggest you can help me understand. I understand, I just don't agree.
I don't expect you to agree with me, I actually think it's amazing that people can believe. Just don't suggest it's anything more than faith.
In 1947 the dead sea scrolls were found in isreal. A copy of the old testament. This copy dated back to about 100 BC. That alone proves the prophecies of the old testament about jesus.
The age of these documents was determined by examining the pottery that housed the manuscripts, the weave and pattern of the manuscript cloths, the form of the characters, the spelling of the words. And the coins found alongside the manuscripts.
No i was not there when the manuscripts were written. Do i have faith that there real. Yes.
Were you there when george washington was born. Probaly not. But you still have faith that he was alive at one time.
Im not taking this personal, its a great debate
Finding such things proves that people wrote about it a long time ago, not that it happened. People write about dinosaurs, we know they exsisted through finding fossils. People write about the world wars, there are camps still standing that we can visit. Show me the site of a miracle and the evidence that suggests it happened there and I will understand your belief more fully.
And I'm glad to hear that because I don't like being mean, just get riled up by this topic.
So you believe jesus existed, you just dont believe that he performed miracles.
I wish they had a videocamera 2000 years ago to record jesus walking on water. But we dont. Even if we did, people still wouldnt believe it.
We cant compare the findings of dinosaur bones to miracles, because miracles are not an object, they were an event.
How can i prove jesus made the blind see? I cant because it was an event.
The only proof we have is the witnesses to testify. Which they did. We know the time it happened the place and we have prophecy.
Theres more evidence it did happen then it didnt.
You make a good point and that is why i said. The facts are there but at some point faith has to take over. (christianity half faith half facts). You camt have one without the other. I would never want someone to believe something just because someone wrote about it. There has to ne some facts.
Sincerely,
The Theoretical Atheist
... a Bible Beater.
Christian
Jewish
Muslim
Hindu
or other
WTF -- but it's about 50 - 55% Bible thumping.
Catholics of Protestants.
Ideas that should have died out 1000 years ago...
You know, when Jesus really didn't end up coming back for his second cumming...
They got a few nice buildings out of it though.
The freemasons
And eventually, the founding of a new country...
All the god stuff in the pledge to the flag was just thrown in there to keep from pissing off the quakers. Most of the Founding Dad's had their heads on straight about religious fanaticism.
And wassup with the long comments??