IIN to believe that women and men that are ungreatful of the male gender should be removed from the society that was made by men?
I believe that if all they can do is complain about a certain group (males), then they should be removed from the benefits males have brought them since living in a cave, to make their own society.
I think women and men that think women (as a gender) should leave society, simply to say "You think the female gender is better, then you go build your own society".
I don't think it's right that people are allowed to belittle the male gender, yet think they deserve to have the things males have made for humanity. If they think they are better, then they can go be b better somewhere else.
IIN to think women and men that think this should be removed from the society males are the reason for?
I believe that if all they can do is complain about a certain group (males), then they should be removed from the benefits males have brought them since living in a cave, to make their own society.
I think women and men that think women (as a gender) should leave society, simply to say "You think the female gender is better, then you go build your own society".
I don't think it's right that people are allowed to belittle the male gender, yet think they deserve to have the things males have made for humanity. If they think they are better, then they can go be b better somewhere else.
IIN to think women and men that think this should be removed from the society males are the reason for?
You could get a closer answer by interviewing living inventors and other such people you are referring to. I highly doubt they'd agree but that's who you need to be asking. And those are the only people it should matter to anyway, no one else has the right to speak for them.
Yes, there are lots of reasons to be proud too :)
I will do my best to fix it when I see it happening. :P
Ah, so society started in 1950? Yeah, great advice. Instead of starting to the earliest point we recorded of history, just start off at the bit where females are just about to get their rights, so that female are seen to have been through so much, yet have done as much.
"Let's start at 1950 and after, so that all the great things that were responsible for the great things today aren't mentioned...Why? Because males were responsible, and I'll be damned if I ever let people read about how much men have done to build a society!". Great logic. That would be like me saying "Hey, let's just teach people about who contributed what during the time women were oppressed". -Sigh-
People like you are pointless to debate with.
If you read any books written after 1950, you would be aware of the commonly known fact that they contain information not only about events that occurred after 1950, but events that occurred before it too. See? You're already learning something new. ;)
"People like you are pointless to debate with."
And people like you are pointless.
"See? You're already learning something new ;)"
My mistake, I thought you meant books only explaining things after 1950. But, why books after that time? Why not books more close to the times before? Surely they have more knowledge on those times, not to mention the books that are made after 1950 would have its information on the times before 1950 due to the books made before 1950, otherwise how would they know of things before 1950?
People like me are pointless? ^^^Read what I just said, I made your pointless point seen as...Pointless.
But a gold star for effort.
How about you prove I'm wrong instead of simply saying I am, otherwise your point has no standing.
So you're saying that books made from 1950 don't need books from before that time to record the events of previous times?
So you're saying that there hasn't been many societies build and destroyed, then new ones built again?
You're saying men aren't responsible for building the buildings you see?
According to you, this shows my "level" of thinking, in a sarcatic implied way that I'm a moron for thinking such things, such things that are facts. If anything, that shows "your own elementary level of thinking around this subject".
Take credit for? When did I ever say I'm as great as them? I never said that, nor will I ever say that. I said as a "gender", a "group", men are responsible for society. If I were one of the few males left on the planet, I would be expected to do all the heavy lifting that is needed to build a house before any woman was asked. If there was a war and soldiers were needed, I would be asked (made) to defend my country before any woman was, and the same goes for all males that don't have disabilities.
I like how you didn't stick on point, you just went to insult. I wonder why. Tell you what, I'll give you another chance to reply to my previous reply logically instead of just "trying" to insult me.
P.s Sarcasm only works when you have a point, and you only have a point when you explain your point and if the point you "explained" (being the key word) is accurate. You said what you said in your reply, yet you didn't prove it. You said I have elementary way of thinking on this subject, yet you didn't say I was wrong on what I said on my previous reply, simply because you know I wasn't wrong with what I said, you know I wasn't wrong, you couldn't handle I was right, and so instead of sticking on point, you just ran to the insult part.
But like I said, I'll give you another chance to reply on the actual debate instead of just running to insult to avoid a logical response to the debate. Do you think you can do that, champ?
I know you read it, just so you know. You read it, didn't know how to reply, so went with the "I didn't read that". You seem to be able to read all my other points, but not that one? Hmmmmmmmm.
Don't include yourself in something if you're going to "not read" (wink wink), that shows you wrong.
Oh, and by read you mean reply on the actual debate.
You don't have time to read, but you have time to comment?
I'll take this as a win. Thank you, and have a pleasant day.
Sure you have a bug up your butt about them but... Remember, for every person you want to remove there's probably someone who wants you to be removed too.
Remember... you can't change someone if you kick them out.
and why should YOUR views be first?
me i'm a female and i .. .honestly i don't give a flying **** about gender wars. I just don't think any single person should have his or her views turned into the law just because they have a personal problem against a certain group.
if you don't like women like that don't associate with them and don't listen to them
There is reasons why people would want them removed, and if they had a good reason for me to be removed, so be it. This isn't about "banishing them", it's about showing them how easy they have it due to the male contribution.
I don't associate with those women, that's not the point. The point is that such women and men are acceptable in society, yet if a man dare speak ill of women, he's torn to pieces.
Everyone likes to say "No hate at all, that's how it should be", yet feminists are being hateful against men, and their "articles", if you can call it that are even allowed on online mainstream news, where as males saying such things against women aren't. If men were to make a group and have come as far as feminists have, you would be out there fighting tooth and nail against it, where as when it's females doing it against males, you simply say it's wrong, then forget about it.
Personally I dislike ANYONE who whines about the other gender like that, be them male or female.
And yes, I am a woman who worked in a "traditionally male" job - military. There weren't as many of us when I started but as years went by we've had a lot more females join ranks. Especially since more and more ratings have been opened up to females.
Just don't bother with the people you don't like and completely disagree on. Its not like you'll be able to change them and their opinions either.
They didn't let them fight in armies? There are good reasons for that, same reason why women shouldn't be police officers, they aren't as capable as male soldiers. Even today, a lot less is expected from females in the military compared to male soldiers. Their tests are easier, and they struggle to even do that.
Soldiers are mainly men because they are more strong, can endure more, and they are more practical. If you want someone less than capable than someone else fighting for your safety, then survival isn't the best of your skills.
Be part of goverments? That is because women are known to be too emotional than logical compared to males. Would you want someone leading your nation that will PMS, and think emotionally rather than logically? Plus, males are natrual better leaders.
A) Women didn't help make society, they contributed to "helping" society be run, they weren't "needed" for it, but it made it easier.
B) Yes, I know that. I never said all women should be removed, I said just the ones that hate the people that help them. Plus, if it wasn't for men, women would still be giving birth in a cold cave.
C) I never said all women, I said the ones that disrespect the male gender when they rely on their inventions so much. Not all women hate men, not even half.
What about them? They have done nothing wrong. I have a feeling you haven't grasped what I was saying here.
I can't help but find your peanut butter example ridiculous, especially in the sense that it makes no sense. That isn't at all anything near what I was saying, that would mean you think I'm saying society built itself.
Males did build society by themselves, women simply helped to keep it running, but wasn't mainly them keeping it running.
I think you're belittling mostly women. I think you're a hypocrite. Women can and HAVE created a functioning society. Do some damn research before babbling. Even our presidents wouldn't be anywhere without women. George Washington would have been broke if it weren't for him marring Martha Custis (one of the richest women in the US). That's a big deal because "he" funded a lot of the military forces during the war. He also probably would have never been a general if it wasn't for his mother keeping him from going into the Navy at a young age. She also supported him and all of his siblings by herself. John Adams would have never gotten as far as he got without the consultation of his wife. She was his best friend and adviser. He was a argumentative, proud, vain, and unpopular man by nature. He has often wrote to her of her importance. This is just recent history.
In ancient history, women took care of the children and gathered food. They took care of and built the dwellings (btw, most humans didn't live in caves, you twit). They also preformed a lot of medicinal work that saved both men and women. They've also helped some men keep a throne and their power. Ever hear of Joan of Arc? Marina the Monk? Catalina de Erauso? Charley Parkhurst? If you did any real research, you'd see how important women are/were.
Men didn't create this world alone. They just insist on taking credit for it and if someone (especially a women) dare say different, they use brute force to silence them. Better gender? Go fuck yourself. Both are equal.
Yes, I know they have, but what I mean is "to this extent". Not one society made by women has come this far, and I know for a fact that not one female society has built buildings to the extent of we have ours today.
Compared to what the workforce done, presidents didn't do nearly as much as them. If it wasn't for the working man, he wouldn't of been president at all.
Although, could you send me links of the things you said about their wifes helping them? I would like to read them up.
The cave thing was a metaphor, you "twit".
No doubt they've helped "some men".
I never said women weren't important, where did I ever say they weren't? I believe the male gender is more important, but that doesn't mean females aren't important.
Actually, they created all, or atleast 98% of the buildings, the thing in which our society is powered by (electricity), etc. They didn't create it all by their own, but atleast 85-90% of it was done by men. When you see builders working on the new building, are they male or female? Exactly. They insist on taking credit for it? Today's world shows differently. Males are still doing all the contruction work, and they are inventing more advanced technology.
Both aren't equal. Males have simply done more. To say that one group is equal to the group that hasn't done as much isn't equal at all, if anyything, that's inequality.
It seems women (And men that support such women) aren't after equality at all, they're after special treatment.
Equallity is a cold place, and if women can't take all of it, then they dn't deserve the positives of it.
A woman can never be a man. Most of the time, women's and men's roles differ, but that does not mean that a woman's role or a man's role should be valued less.
Everyone should think positively. It makes the world a better place.
I think the problem that you encounter in understanding this, is because we still live in a male dominated society. You need to see beyond this. Instead of complaining, why not think of a way to form an equal society.
Like I said, they want the positives of the opposite equiped to them, that's it, that's what equality is to such women.
Some people don't understand that I am always arguing for equality, unconditional, cold, hard equality.
People will mostly fight for women having the positives of men, but I will be the one on here that always argues for them having the negatives, and the man has the same as what women have.
We all seem to forget that equality is a two way road, you can't just think that men have benefits for being men. If you want equality, then equality happens, real equality. And if you take notice of it, real, true equality is a very cold and dark place for the female gender, and if they want it, they will be sure to get it all.
Also important to understand, is that males think
differently than females, due to changes in brain development and hormonal differences after sexual specialization.
This does not mean that social systems that strive for equality can not be developed. (Meaning, we can develop such systems, if persons such as yourself, can see through the male dominated society we live in.)
And I know both think differently.
-Facepalm-
Yes, I know you'll cherry pick your instances where some ghastly woman hasn't expressed her gratefullness for some mighty achievement or other, but so the fuck what, that's her problem, not yours. Is your life really worth living through the prism of a small minority?
I'm not here to get into people's lives, but I guess I don't understand where this constant anger comes from. I've seen your more nuanced replies in other threads, but to be honest, these 'male achievement' IINs are like a broken fucking record, as you'll notice by the most thumbed up replies which all refelct that same response.
Written communication can miss a lot of the other cues of language and can be misinterpreted but I hope you can see what I'm getting at.
Also, men would just invent the artificial womb, and if they did (which a lot of feminists are against, I wonder why), then women wouldn't be needed as much as men.
Also, you spelled You're wrong.
So it's sexist to think that sexist people shouldn't be allowed to use the things that they are being sexist towards? Funny.
Aha, you clearly have no idea about XX and XY chromosomes if you can say that.
Females make baby males to continue on with the circle of life.
like that guy said from the lion king.. ass.
Males and females are equal..suck it up.
Females don't "make" babies, they carry them. They cannot make babies by themselves.
Men will one day invent the artificial womb, but ofcourse feminists are 100% against the whole idea (I wonder why). So one day ifmen did make the artificial womb, women wouldn't be needed for that part of life.
Individually, yes. As a group, no. Males have accomplished, and invented far more than women, and they continue to do so to this day.
Do I hold myself higher than you? No. Do I hold myself higher than the whole female gender? Ofcoure not. But, as part of the whole male gender, I see that they are superior simply by the things they have done and continue to do.
I just find it completely ungreatful. Men do all the work so you get fuel in your car, they build your homes, they make sure you have electricity, they die by doing jobs in the favour of humanity, and then people are allowed to spit in the face of such people? I don't think so. If they want to disrespect the people that have died just so they have fuel, then they should go elsewhere.
If men are holding women back so much, then why don't they leave and start their own society?
As it is, males have more of a right to bash on women than women do on men, yet if a man does, he is near enough castrated, where as a woman doing it is a "strong woman".
It sickens me.
Also, there is a society established by females. Unfortunately, I can't remember the name, but if I do I'll let you know.
On the other hand, I'm not going to be respectful to men because they are men and men have contributed to society. I am going to be respectful to men because I was raised to be respectful to everyone. What their hung with is a non-issue in my book.
I feel that, as a general rule, anyone who feels that they have some given right, whether it be due to their genitalia or not, to just walk around treating whoever however they please does not need to live in a civilized society.
I'll be honest here, I was one of those women that beat the fuck out of men on a regular basis. My father was extremely abusive and I thought violence between males and females was the norm and acceptable. I doubt that I am the only female that has been in such circumstances. I know better now. Sue me.
If we want a respectful society all around, we must all contribute as men AND women to raising our children to respect others and to make ourselves into respectable people. Genitalia is a non-issue if you're going to treat others like shit. Nothing gives you the right to do that. We should all stop it.
Saying that a few of them have only contributed is quite disrespectful to the millions+ of men that have built society up. If it wasn't for men, you wouldn't see great big buildings, you would see small huts. If it wasn't for men building such buildings, there would be no jobs to be equiped to the building, so you would see simple gatherers of berries, etc, and so on.
I'm not saying respectful to just men, I'm saying be respectful to the male gender, because in times of crises, they will be the ones that have to be doing most work, and they are the ones that have gotten us so far in evolution. I'm not saying you have to bow to every male, I'm saying people that bash men should be taken from society to be around women, so that in times of crisis, they don't have men to help, they only have women.
This isn't about me individually, I'm saying as a group, people should appreciate what males "as a group" have done.
If women were to not be allowed to use what man made, and men weren't allowed to use what women made, life would be far worse for women.
ABout the abuse thing. Such a man that abuses their child should be put in prison. They do the male gender a disservice. Although, how many of those males hit you back, be honest.
Yes, we should all stop it. Look at feminism. Males have done nothing to stop it, and now it's out of control. When males have let women have their right to say men are terrible, it just gets worse, it doesn't just wash over.
I'm not going to reserve any special respect for men because they built society. I will respect everyone. I am in no position to determine who is and isn't more worthy of my respect simply due to their genitalia. And yes, a shit ton of men built society. But not all men contribute to society. You really think that these couch potatoes that I hang around and that hang around this website contribute more to society than me because they have cocks? I beg to differ.
I appreciate the society that men and women have built up. I know men have made more contributions to society. Men have also made more detriments to society. I appreciate the contributions of all, regardless of their genitalia.
I'm going to be stubborn on this one, ItDuz. I truly do feel that the contents of a person's blood hormonal level or underwear should not affect whether or not I respect them, appreciate them and show gratitude towards them.
Again about the abuse thing. None of them hit me back. And I am grateful for that. But I'm not going to despise myself for the fact that I was, in fact, victimized by my father and did, in fact, act on it. I'm not going to hate myself and feel that my vagina should burn because I abused males. After years of being abused and told that, as a female, I was a worthless pile of shit, it has taken me years to come to that realization that I was victimized and that I am happy that I was not victimized by the males that I bullied. Once again, sue me. I've been victimized by males in the past that were unrelated to me, yes, but that's an unrelated subject.
And the women that perpetuate hatred of men are no better than the men that perpetuate racial hatred. The only difference is that we as a society have become so sympathetic to the "oppressed" that we seem to have forgotten the rights that women and minorities have gotten. Our society will be no where near the ideal vision of equality until we realize that most of us have achieved what we have set out to achieve but there will always be those assholes that can't get over themselves and their hatred.
I'm not going to speak for women that feel that they would be better off without men within society, ItDuz, and I am not going to even humor the concept that society would be better off with women. We need each other. On a macro AND micro level. Would women be worse off without men? That's pure speculation. I honestly feel that we would be so because men inherently have key qualities that are needed in order to raise successful children, but that is just my take on things.
No, I kow those men can't which is why I say as a gender, not as individuals that males shouldn't be allowed to be disrespected. If he is a couch potato, then calling him such is allowed, even if he isn't you can still say it. I'm saying as a whole, people shouldn't be allowed to disrespect males, that doesn'tmean you have to respect them.
Abuse goes both ways, not only women do it, but those males were, in otherwords, helpess. They wouldn't hit back. I would of thought you would feel a little bad for what you done to those people now, but if you don't, I guess I had the wrong idea of you. My mother tried to suffocate me when I was about seven, that doesn't mean I would suffocate women today and feel that I done no wrong.
Hopefully I read that bit wrong, and that you do feel some remorse for attacking people that you know won't hit you back.
And yes, I feel bad for it. But I don't feel bad for it because it is wrong for females to hit males. I feel bad for it because it is wrong for people to hit others. But I am not going to even humor the thought that somehow, my being a woman makes it more wrong. It was wrong because I did it, not because I had a vagina. Had I been a male that was bigger and stronger than the people I bullied, they still would not have been able to fight back. So I'd still be in the same boat.
I finished my repentance for my sins. Any attempts that you make to judge me for what I did now will be in vain. I have changed my ways. I refuse to be held responsible for women who have not as I will not hold men responsible for the crimes of other men. I will give you this respect. Give it back to me.
And I mis-spoke. A few of them did hit me back but the majority did not. I did feel bad for doing what I did to them. But not because I am a female, because I hit them.
If you can't live in a society without being hateful towards an integral part of the population, male or female, black or white, gay or straight, then gtfo and make room for someone who will be more grateful for living here and show it by showing respect to all.
Ok, aslong as you feel bad for it, then I misunderstood what it was you were saying. Sorry.
I'm not going to judge you. I was just wondering if you felt like you did wrong or not. You explain yourself to feel bad for brining another person harm, and you have stopped doing so, so why would I want to judge you? If anything, I would say welldone.
I'm not treating you like the women I am explaining to do this. If you haven't noticed, you're one of the few people that I actually respect on this site, far more than most males on here.
I agree. We should all respect eachother. But, disrespecting males today is allowed far more than the other way around, which is what I have a problem with. Feminism being one of the main causes. The group is filled with so many men haters, yet they are allowed media time, etc, where as men are viewed as scum bags if they have the same opinion to women as they do to men.
I understand what you are saying, but I feel that it is wrong to criticise any group based off of the poor decisions made by a few of that group. These "feminists" are full of shit. Most men I know love women. If they wish to fight for women's rights, they need to go to Pakistan where women are still being treated like shit. We have all of the rights we need here. The women in Pakistan and many parts of Africa are still being circumsized, abused, raped and wrongfully impregnated. If they care so much about their fellow females, they will go fight for the rights of women that are actually being oppressed, not women that think that they are being oppressed.
Granted, I'm not going to go in to my feelings about how minorities should do the same.
And no, having a special room in your work building to breast-feed is not a right.
I'm not saying all women should leave society, I'm saying only the ones like feminists that say men are useless, same with men feminists. If they are the only ones doing it, they should be the ones to leave, not all women, not even half.
And I agree. If people are wanting women to be treated equal to how men get treated here, then they should focus on women in other areas, because women don't have it bad here.
You could apply this rule to a lot of things:
People who hate asians should not be allowed to use all things manufactured and invented by asians. Consider how much China exports to the world, and all that has been invented by asian people in our species' history.
People who hate women should not be allowed to reproduce, benefit from any female inventions such as chocolate chip cookies (NOT THE COOKIES!), fire escapes, ironing boards, life rafts, circular saws, liquid paper, dishwashers, kevlar, windshield wipers, medical syringes, refrigerators etc.
People who hate bugs should not be allowed to use anything that's created using bugs like many food colourings, dyes, silk, honey etc. They should not be able to benefit from flowers.
People who hate humanity should not be allowed to use or benefit from anything created by humanity (perhaps including themselves).
I could go on.
You really think this is the way to solve ignorance and tackle discrimination? These are problems to be combated through education. Discrimination teaches discrimination; your way would only perpetuate a fractured society or fracture it further.
Yeah, you're right. Asians have done a lot, which is why I don't disrespect the Asian people, because they have supplied us with great things. There are groups of people, and then there are groups within groups. There are males, then there are asian males, british males, american males, etc. All of them have great men in them, and not all of them only do great in one thing.
Should not be allowed to reproduce? By that logic, either should women. But, if that was the case, artificial wombs would be introduced. The main reason why such a thing isn't having as much attention is mainly due to feminists saying it's against human rights, or whatever (I wonder why).
I never said women can't use men's inventions, I said they'd have to figure out how to make them by themselves, and the same would go with males needing to know how females made theirs, they'd have to figure it out on their own. For example, if women can make a building, males wouldn't be allowed to just come in and smash it to the ground, because they figured out how to make it by themselves and make it by themselves.
Also, women didn't invent the refrigirator, nor where they the ones to first come up with the idea to freeze food, not to mention, the advanced refrigirator today is nowhere like the one back then, because of men. Yes, women made the first windshieldwiper, but they weren't the first to make the electric one. Their one was a hand held one, as useful as having a piece of cloth and wiping the window.
The next bit is a bit stupid, no offence intended. We're talking about male and female humans, not insects or any other creature.
The humanity part, I agree. If they don't like humanity, nobody is making them stay, and if they disrespect the whole human race, not just some of it, they should leave. Why should deal with such people?
Well, the female gender seems to be allowed to be hateful towards females far more than it's acceptable to say men are allowed to do the same to women, and you can say that you don't want women like that around, but they are, and yet nobody tries to stop it.
Women are allowed to be negative towards the male gender, but males aren't allowed to be negative to the male gender. So many people say "We don't let women do that", but they do nothing about it, but if men even do half the amount feminists are saying about men, then you are happy to go to the death with such people.
I guarantee that if a woman in Iraq were to say such negative things about the male gender, she'd be killed, locked up, or tortured. It's not an issue of gender so much as it is an issue of culture. Our society hasn't quite left the bleeding heart stage. I am almost convinced that as time goes on, feminimst groups that promote hatred will become more and more of a mockery amongst the general populace, simialar to how the KKK is seen.
Thanks for sharing your opinions.
You are perpetually upset by women not respecting men as a gender. I don't know where you live, but where I live, I encounter this very rarely. Most girls I know aren't mysandrists and few express sentiments of a similar nature. When they do, it's usually in a joking way, similar to "women should stay in the kitchen."
I agree that political and intellectual equality works both ways. The way to create this and maintain it is through education.
Forced segregation might seem like a solution, but it's a ridiculous and short-term one. You push a minority of people who disagree with you into a corner, you light a match to whatever was fuelling their hatred to begin with. You essentially give them greater reason to resent your ideology, because you are now an oppressor. They would blame you for the struggle and their new society will have at its foundation the very thought process that you thought justified their segregation. So you'll have generation after generation continuing a culture of hate (in this case, hatred towards men). No doubt there would be conflict between your 'better' society and their 'worse' society. You'd create more problems than you had.
As I say, education. Teach people of the inventions and successes of humanity, the way we've overcome adversity and, despite our physical limitations, have worked together to become the most powerful animal on earth. Teach people how we shouldn't discriminate against each other based purely on gender, race, appearance etc.
The minority who hang on to their prejudices need not be kicked out, because their voice will be drowned out by the majority who disagree with them.
They would then learn, that if they want to bash the group they have used inventions from, then they can't disrespect them.
I am upset with women. They get to have what the male gender has, yet disrespect the gender they are constantly taking from, and the males have no problem with giving to them. They will call men useless, etc, yet if they were to be stripped of all man made inventions, they would cry, and they would scream discrimination. Then when everything is given back to them, they will complain about men again.
I live in Britain.
It isn't only to teach them a lesson, it's also to give them the chance to progress on their own. So by doing this, they have the oppurtunity to show that they are just as capable as men to make civilization, and if they can't, well that's their problem until they learn that if they want to use what man has made, they can't say they're useless.
Well, if that happens, that happens. If they choose to hate us for the actions that was brought out because of what "they" were doing, then it happens. Then when they start a war, they will be killed. No, I don't want that to happen, but it will be another example of them trying to have their way, but shown they can't.
Are you kidding? There are studies such as women studies, something to make women feel empowered, yet there isn't a "men's studies". Society is happy to let women see the reasons why they're strong, but wouldn't dare do the same for males, and if it was, you just know that groups such as feminism would try to shut such a class down.
Are you sure? Women are allowed to say so much against the male gender, that if men even said 10% of what they say about men, he is seen as an asshole, and stopped from saying anything more.
I'm in Britain too. I come across this issue once in a blue moon. I think you are pre-occupied with it beyond reason, because it is not something that is a major problem encountered by most people. A minority of women (and some men) resenting men doesn't really impact upon society at large, just as a minority of neo-Nazis here doesn't. They are essentially 'outside' and 'excluded' the more vehemently they express their unpopular opinions. They segregate themselves.
When was the last time you went to sit at the front of a bus but some women told you you weren't 'allowed' because you were male and inferior? When was the last time you were walking down the street and a group of women shouted abuse at you because you're male?
In what way have these mysandrists hindered British society's progress?
I think you need to keep things in perspective. Most women don't hate you or me because of what's between our legs, most women don't rally together to 'turn the tables of the past' and gain a position above men. Most women here are content with their socio-economic standing in society.
I have seen many women disrespect men in Britain, and I have lived in England, Scotland, and Wales, all around each country.
Well, I haven't seen men do that to women either, yet they are still seen to do so.
I never said most women do, I know most don't, I'm saying the ones that do should leave.
I love stupid people, don't you?
A bit vain of yourself, no offense.
And also, women can't reproduce without men.
No, each didn't have an equal role. Look outside. That was all put there by males, not females.
What about the queens? Hm? Elizabeth, Catherine, Victoria. What about Jane Goodall, and Cleopatra, and thousands upon thousands of women who also shaped history? Maybe in your twisted world men do all the work... but that's simply not true.
Yes, and where would those queens be without the castle man built? The towns and cities to rule over that was built by man?
Also, *were
"Also", "Where" was the correct form of the word. "Where would they be" as in "Where" would they be if such things didn't exist for them to rule over.
If you plan on correcting me, use words that I actually do spell wrong, because there are plenty, but the one you tried to correct me on wasn't wrong at all.
Secondly, I didn't ignore the first part. The statement that men are "more useful" than women led into the bit about building things. I'm assuming you're male. Have you ever built a castle? I'm female. I've never built a castle either. The fact of the matter is, there's a reason that our species (and plenty of other species) evolved having two separate sexes. Male and female each contribute equally to society, just in different ways than the other. Women could not necessarily survive without men, and it works the other way around as well.
Like I said, I have never said I should be treated great, I haven't built anything. But, if the situation demanded it, I would be the one to have to help a group to help build a castle before you were considered, simply because of your gender.
I dissagree. Yes, women do have ood traits, but looking after a child isn't the same as building a building. Today's society is completely different than the cavemen times, men can look after the children, while other males create.
What have women done that can compare to the creation of a city? (That wasn't me being a smart ass, I litrally would like to know).
I think if there was a way to reproduce without women, males would be just fine, where as women wouldn't be. There would be nowhere near as much workers to keep their electrcity going, their fuels going, etc. And when the old buildings start to crumble, then what? There won't be men to build new ones. If anything, women would have to resort to a much lesser style of construction that the one that crumbled before them.
I have to say, you're one of the more coherent people I've fought with on the Internet. Kudos to you.
What I'm saying is "If you think you're better, then we're not holding you back, we're removing you from our inferior society to go make your superior society". Ofcourse, the reaction I got was expected.
People are allowed to bash men, saying they're useless, etc, but the second you say "Then leave, make your own society", they scream "Sexist, sexist!".
But you don't, because remember for something to progress it usually means there was a problem someone needed to fix. Where would we be without the troublemakers?
Personally, militant feminist women annoy the crap out of me. However, I think people are having trouble with your assertion because it's too general. Women would be nowhere without men but men would also be nowhere without women. We are different types of the same creature, and while men go out and do many things they have been assisted certainly by women who have dutifully supported them (kept them fed and clothed throughout the ages) so they could invent crap and fight wars.
I'm not saying you're wrong, I freaking hate it when people shrug anyone off or act like they're imbecilic just because of what they are. Individuals are imbeciles, not entire populations.
If belittling my gender (along with myself) is required to be a "boyfriend", then I would rather not be one.
I don't understand why all you like to do is argue with people when you know very well that whatever it is they have to say won't change your opinion. Does it really mean that much to you to prove that you're right and they're wrong?
And you didn't answer my other question- all you do is argue with people whenever you make a post like this. But why? Why do you argue? What's the point, what's the purpose? Do you really like to prove that you're right? Does it make you feel better about yourself? I've never understood why people like to argue- maybe you can give me an answer?
When did I ever say that if you say a "single" bad thing? I was meaning if it is an average accurance.
Like I said, would you lend your tools to someone that is publicly disrespecting you to the masses? No? Then why should the male gender lend their "tools" to the people disrespecting them? Same logic.
I don't argue, I debate. That is what people do when they have opposing opinions.
Does it make me feel better about myself? No, this is about facts. I keep saying, this subject doesn't involve people seeing me as superior, I don't want or deserve that, it's about the male gender as a whole.
It's because people like me realize that ungreatful people shouldn't benefit from the things the people they are disrespecting made.
Society is letting women and men stand up for female superiority, regardless of the fact that next to males, they haven't done nearly as much to bring humanity this far.
If they were greatful and didn't disrespect the people whos invwentions they rely on, then no problem. But the second they think they're superior while needing male inventions to survive, then I have a problem.
Personally, though I can sort of see from your point of view, I don't think it's that much of a big issue, so if you mean removed as in death, then I don't agree with you on that. There will always be racists, bigots, and sexists. You can't have a perfect world.
I mean humans as a whole are ungrateful, so that would be a lot of people removed.
And I thought society was doomed before.
I never said if you insult men "individually" that you should get removed, I said if you disrespect males "as a whole" you should, simply because the people that are in the male gender are the ones whos inventions you rely on so much.
Disrespect me all you want, by what I'm saying here doesn't mean you are chucked out.
Remember, I think insulting indivdual males is allowed, but not males as a whole.
Kind of like how you wouldn't put down all dogs of the same breed if one dog from that breed bit someone.
There's plenty of useless guys about to don't forget , you see plenty that have never lifted a bonnet or banged in a nail , wouldn't know how to.My friends hubbys some big shot exec' but while she was in hospital he damn near burnt down the house trying to cook and had to get the washing done because he couldn't figure out how to use the washing machine.
I see it more as men have just been at the area of things that are noticed more and effect things in a bigger way forever because we've been going out to work forever and "stuff" , is usually what a job is about in one way or another.
Oh.. There i go.. Well cya, i'm off to build a decent society where we're all seen as equal.
Go ahead and tell me these "rights" I somehow get just for being male.
People like you always say this, yet when asked to elaborate, you seem to always fall silent.
If only more People were as enlightened as you are.
Since I do not find this normal, please do not speak for me.
The only way you could possibly be right is if everyone responded to my Comment and told me I didn't.
But they haven't. Because they agree.
2) You don't speak for anyone who voted or responded contrary to your viewpoint, which is almost 90% of IIN.
3) If there is even a single person you don't speak for, then you can't be said to speak for everyone. The only way you could speak for everyone would be if everyone responded to your comment and told you that you do, not the other way around like you're suggesting. I'm afraid the onus is most firmly on you to prove that everyone agrees with you, not on everyone to prove that they don't.
4) Damn, I just fed a troll.
Considering that 1000s of people use this Site I hardly imagine that's 90%. (30/1000 = 3%).
My proof is that most everyone who agrees with me wouldn't respond which so far is very true.
By responding to my Comment you're only strengthening my argument.
What more do I have to say?
Now I remember-
I didn't know that sharing my thoughts made me a Troll.
Thanks for commenting.