Im a US Troop

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I studied about this, it is some sort of disease that many other soldiers get, I can't remember the name of it off the top of my head...But I believe you should see a pschologist or another specialized doctor about it.

You are A brave person
Bless you for what you did for all of us here in the USA . Dont know how to fix your problem but I hope everything goes your way you deserve it!!
Best of luck

I am sure your condition could be post traumatic stress disorder, Many soldiers suffer this after being in War. Go and get some medical help and advice and some counselling, you really need to talk to someone about your experiences. I hope you have a supportive family and friends back home because this can help too..

stay away of any legal and ilegal drugs,,,
it does is postraumatic stress, but you have to work it out by yourself. it was a moment of your life that will make you see the world in a different way, but it can not dominate your life. thank God it is over and now you are back and you have tons of things to do with your family and friends, make a family if you do not have your own, etc etc etc. is over and now you need to move on, if you could handle being there, you are strong enough to get over it too.
best wishes...
galeni

sorry, i did not explain my first phrase from previous post.
many will start doing ilegal drugs to get this "out of their head" but it just makes things worse ... and if you visit a shrink, probably will stuff you with all kinds of pils for sleeping, for depresion for traumatic stress dissorders and you will end up addicted to at least 4 different things....
try to stay away from that, maybe you could use some antidepressants, but try to avoid strong pills.... that is adding extra problems to your life...
galeni

Its called shellshock. I heard there was some teacher from WW2 who became a teacher after the war, some thing broke in the classroom and he jumped under the desk. I think you might need counselling to help deal with some of these issues.

yeh, this is not a good site if you are seeking advice or methods onto getting over these visions. doctors and councils are a much better choice

To the poster: I'm an eighteen year old guy and not sure what I want to do with my life. I've been approached by recruiters at my college and am seriously thinking about joining some branch of the armed forces and trying to go to Iraq. It sounds like the ravages of war are tough. Is this something you would recommend a young man who doesn't know what he wants to do do? Go fight in the war that is. Is that how you ended up going to fight?

Youll be doing very nasty things to help very evil men profit money.
And then theyll systematically influence your thinking towards whatever suits their interest.

Dont go.

I know it's hard to forget the feeling because my friend in army was back from Iraq too. He has been in a very hard time like you. But the best thing he did was he just control his mind and start a new life. You should think that you're back to US now and should be happy that it's over and make a new friends....I hope it should help you from telling us this and we reply back :)
PS: Welcome back to US though...Nice meeting you.. Good luck and start a new days...

yes, american soldiers totally deserve a warm welcome after having put huge effort into enforcing the not-law in iraq and helped american polititians steal the oil and laundry american taxpayer money.

I mean, who wouldnt welcome such people back?

the things you need is a doctor or counselo and a bunch of supporting family members and frinds. i'm sure they appreciate your job you di over there, and they want you to feel comfortable. You should go to a doctor orcounsellor and seek help.

i thank you for your time in Iraq, protecting our freedoms! :)

By conscribing you are participating in whatever is taking place in the ministry of war.

Sure you can talk the other way,
but your actions are very clear.

I'm with Mimir2...

The excact same applies to those who enlisted before 2003.
Nothing has changed since then.

Wether they are worse or better than the politicians wasnt the point.

And its quite hard to answer a statement of sentiment.

So you actually want a world full of hypocrites talking one way and acting the other.

Okey.

"away at the first sign of having to do something they don't want to." - It is the fault of the American goverment that a lot of innocent Muslims have died in Iraq. Some soldiers may not want to participate in murder, that's not "running away" that's having respect.

I'm sure most of the soldiers didn't know they would have to tear apart innocent families. I think if a soldier took a stand and said "No", while the rest of his soldiers covered themselves in innocent blood, then he would be showing a large amount of courage, not cowardice.

Its got nothing to do with "fighting for your country" and everything to do with profiting polititians.

I mean, come on, use your brain.
Not only do you spend more on the military of all the other nations on Earth, you spend more than the next seven nations COMBINED.

Its like you americans live in some completely different world than the rest when it comes to militarisation.

Now the thinking is to destroy Iran,
off course, "for you country".
Next... some other threat will be invented to justify even more destruction and money laundry... all "for your country".. off course.

And then the propaganda will be rolling persuading ignorant people how great this whole thing is.

And the billions roll into the pockets of the weapons manufacturers and polititans
while you hypocriticly "fight for your country".

Stargirl...
So the moral of the story is don't sign up for the military: if you do what they tell you, you are an evil pawn. If you have doubts: you are a coward.

You hear that everyone? Don't sign up for the military!

It could be that the person who signed up did not know exactly what their assignments would entail- and when they came upon something they believed was wrong they had doubts over whether they should do it or not. I would imagine that there is not a clause in the contracts that says that you must kill innocent civilians, possibly including a 7 year old girl and a father of 6. Everyone has doubts, and you are not signing away your humanity.

I was going to reply again but Shavemeslowly pretty much made my point for me.

Most soldiers sign up for a chance to protect their country, that is what they believe is their obligation. I fail to see how a father trying to support his family who is involved in no terrorist activity is a threat to the soldiers country.

China has stated publicly that they are very worried about us interference in the middle east.
They(usa) own saudi arabia, kuweit and iraq.
And are now about to attack iran.

China has business relations with Iran, Iran is gonna sell all its future oil to China directly, making both countries less dependent on the rest of the world.

They have to do something to either prevent the usa from invading or make it extremely costly for them to do so.

If i were leading iran i would not be able to sleep. And buying defensive military equipment like crazy.
And BEGGING China for political help.
I would also make sure murder threats would be sent to chiefs of Lockheed Martin and boeing and those who are agitating most for the war.
End especially to their children.

Attack the problem where it is.

fuck fuck FUCK! man!
you god damned idiots! soldiers are killing machines. hence soldier = KILLER! it is his job to kill whoever he is instructed to. if he wanted to have free will then he shud have remained neutral! i.e NOT SIGNED UP FOR THE MILITARY!

soldier in essence are tools of war. like ninjas in the east. their only job is to enforce rulership by any means nessesary. chiefly through obliteration of opposition. soldier are ment to be killing machines not men. thats why you get so severly dehumanised in boot camp!

Again, Stargirl. I don't think it says "Slaughter inoocent civilians. Become a murderer. Become a terrorist." In the fine print.

Zulu, does this mean you support the solidiers?

If that's how you feel do see the Americans as a terrorist country? What makes them any better than the people who blew up the Twin Towers?

Ok, nevermind my last comment, I thought you were supporting the war.

A man may want to fight the terror that threatens his family and his country, but does not want to become a murderer or a terrorist himself? In your opinion, how can he do this without you viewing him as a coward? He can't join the army because they will force him to kill innocents as well as the terrorists. So what can he do?

people always feel sorry that a soldier has t kill pple. WAKE THE FUCK UP! THATS WHAT A SOLDIER DOES!! KILL PPLE! be they black, white, tall, short, armed or unarmed. it makes no difference. if they are the enemy. they are going to get killed. just becasue civilians in a country are being killed doesn't mean they didn't contrubute to the enemy side in way. finance, moral support & many many other factors oten played down by pple, often drastically improve the motivation of enemy troops. in a war, destroying infrastructure & support networks is what paralyses the enemy & very likely wins the war. there is no such thing as morals on a battle field. the act of killing in of itself is immoral!

so the real answer to this is, "Innocent pple are not always as innocent as they may at first seem."

in my belief. noone is really innocent. man's thoughts have too many random variables. too unpredictable.

Yes off course its funny how the civilian is "im not a soldier, i just breed them, feed them, shelter them, provide moral support and finance their war equipment".

But off course, this applies to all civilians.
This applied to the people in the wtc on 911.
When your country goes to war... you are a part of it, wether you like it or not.
You are financing this thing!

But the usa is manufacturing unneccessary wars time and time again.
Which is why you should neither conscribe nor take orders after you have.

After you have conscribed and said you were gonna participate in this crime against humanity, its better to become a liar than a murderer.

The usa and britain have no right to interfere in the middle east, latin america, asia or europe, nor has their interference been based on altruism.
Its just men within britain and usa who are trying to profit on the political situation.
Always has been that way and always will.



Iran is not about to attack usa.
As a matter of fact, it is the usa which has always been attacking Iran for profit.
usa planted their personal dictator there in 1953 who then committed countless crimes against the country.
A civil war was then necessary to overthrow the american pet dictatorship which ended in 1979 with the americans out.
Many rich men in usa lost a lot of money they had stolen there, they got very pissed off about that.
So usa turned to their ally, Saddam Hussein.
USA gave him huge amounts of money and war equipment against the promise that he would attack Iran, which he did.
Many hundreds of thousands of people died in that war.
But despite heavy usa support for Saddam it became a stalemate.

Have you Americans yet apologized to Iran for your crimes against them?

This is also the reason that the Americans kept interfering in the trial of Saddam Hussain and had him killed earlier than he should have been. Saddam should have been put on trial for his crimes against Iran but the Americans had him killed after his first trial before the chance arose for him to be tried for the Iran crimes. The reason for this is the American government knew that all the facts would be dragged up and shown around the world which would show how America played a large part of the illeagal war Saddam launched against Iran.

I posted the question in irony as for how the reality is compared to the current usa stand against Iran.
That is, if usa would have to face the truth infront of everyone.
But thats not gonna happen.. off course.

My government hasn't done shit.
But a high ranked minister wanted to start building up a military... he had dreams of becoming a general.
He is a very stupid man, hes a minister because his dad used to be prime-minister.
Current democracies are ironically sometimes like monarchies.. they run in families.


And Germans are full of guilt about their past.
Thats because after WWII they didn't have a propaganda machine anymore.

I take this heavy stance against the usa because its necessary, the usa has such a mighty propaganda machine.

government sucks viva la despotism!

But you do have control over yourself.
And joining the military makes you a very active participant in whats going on.

I don't support Bush's war, but I support our troops who are out there dying for our country. Get well and God bless.

Yet if a Musilm was to say he supported the people fighting for him he would be showered with hate and dubed a terrorist.

@Invisigoth

You cannot support the troops without supporting the war.
Doing so is a paradox.

Its like saying that youre against terrorism but nonetheless support it.

But they are there on their own free will to support the force of the usa over the middle east.

Just because they signed up before 2003 doesnt change anything.
This thing with the usa waging wars upon others for profit is nothing new, its been like that ever since the country was founded.
First it was the indians, and when they were finished it was the canadians(1810),then the Mexicans(1840), the spanish(1890) , the germans, the iranians, the vietnamese... the list goes on.

And enlisting for a war waged for profit is not a part of growing up.

And also, he wasnt supporting an individual, he was supporting all the troops in general.

You're completely off the point.

They have decided themselves that this is their obligation.

Were talking about all the troops in general, not your sister.
And were not talking about keeping your word.

Were talking about weather you can support the troops without supporting what they are doing.

But they ARE willing.

You're so full of shit.

So support the troops out of sheer sympathy?

i have no idea what awol is,
but people are not forced into the military.

I'm pretty sure you're retarted, soldiers are not linked to politicians in any way.

I'm basically replying to all of your comments.

Also, you didn't even know what AWOL was.
I think you should learn about something before you bash it.

Do you realize there are Army careers, it's not just fighting, like if you are in communications you learn about computers and radios and you get money to continue that education and you can get high paying jobs.
A lot of people join the military for opportunity.
Not everyone has money.
Not everyone can get a scholarship.
But guess what? Military pays for college.

Sounds like a crappy reason to join, but it happens where i'm from every single day. Including to my boyfriend.

& of course that is not the only reason people join the military. A lot of people want a military career.

Politicians and politics bring about wars, Breezy. Soldiers fight wars. See a connection yet?

"Also, you didn't even know what AWOL was.
I think you should learn about something before you bash it." - A little hypocritical considering you don't seem to know much about war if you don't know that politicians are the main cause of the Iraq war.

Stargirl was turning the fact that americans join the military willingly into a discussion about awol, which is joining and then leave.

Which is not the same thing.

The fact still remains, despite attempts to throw sand into the readers face, that the soldiers join the army willingly.

And those who join a war willingly, or support others in doing so, cannot claim that they are against the war for their actions are very obvious.
If you act one way and talk the other, it is your actions that count.

You are with the war.

I never said that politicians weren't linked to the war.
They are.
I said the SOLDIERS weren't. They did not start the war, they don't get a vote, they follow orders.

*sigh*...

You said "I'm pretty sure you're retarted, soldiers are not linked to politicians in any way."

Now, pay attention since my last explanation went over your head. Politicians are what started the war. Soldiers then go out to fight that war.

Politicians - War - Soldiers.

War "links" soldiers and politicians. Therefore, they ARE linked and your statement was wrong. Maybe you should reconsider who is really "retarted"...

"Do you realize there are Army careers, it's not just fighting, like if you are in communications you learn about computers and radios and you get money to continue that education and you can get high paying jobs.
A lot of people join the military for opportunity.
Not everyone has money.
Not everyone can get a scholarship.
But guess what? Military pays for college.

Sounds like a crappy reason to join, but it happens where i'm from every single day. Including to my boyfriend."

A lot don't join just to fight the war.
Sorry, but they are not linked to politicans.
They don't get to go talk to president Bush and say hey, I think we should go home now because they don't have any WMD's like you said they did when we started this war.

"Sorry, but they are not linked to politicans." - Ok, clearly you don't know anything about this. Politicians started the war the soldiers are fighting. If you don't see that as a link then clearly you are a special little girl.

"they don't have any WMD's like you said they did when we started this war." - I am assuming by "WMD" you mean weapons of mass destruction? Quote where I say they do.

Okay, soldiers fight the war, yes they do. I clearly get this.
By saying that soldiers and politicians are linked you are making it seem like the soldiers have an opinion in what politicians do and that they have a hand in starting the war, and they don't.

& I'm not quite sure I get what you mean by saying "quote where I said they do" I was just making a point that soldiers don't have influence on politicians. Apparently, you read my post the wrong way.

Anyways, you aren't going to change my opinion that I support our soldiers, and clearly I am not going to change yours.

"& I'm not quite sure I get what you mean by saying "quote where I said they do"

I may have read it wrong; can you tell me what you meant by "WMD", I am assuming you were meaning Weapons of Mass Destruction. If that is what you meant you claimed that I "said they did" which I do not believe I ever did. I was asking you to quote me as to where I claimed they had Weapons of Mass Destruction.

"By saying that soldiers and politicians are linked you are making it seem like the soldiers have an opinion in what politicians do and that they have a hand in starting the war, and they don't." - They can have an opinion; no one can take that right away from them. I'm guessing you meant influence though.

You said Mimir was "retarted" because you claimed politicians and soldiers are not linked when they clearly are. I am not saying soldiers have a major say in what happens but they ARE linked. I want you to take back your childish, misspelled insult as you were wrong.

I know you really enjoy insulting my intelligence, I know how to spell retarded, I make quite a few typos. I'm fully aware of that. I'm sure of course you being perfect and all that never happens to you. I'm involved in every aspect of English that I can be at my high school I take AP english classes, newspaper, creative writing, and I'm also in the broadcast program, I'm an english freak, I'm not illiterate. My only point in saying that to Mimir was that they were bashing something they didn't know enough about.

Obviously, I meant influence, everyone in the world has an opinion on just about everything.

Yes I mean weapons of mass destruction. I put it in quotes, not because you said it but because I was saying it in the context of someone speaking.

I'm not insulting your intelligence, you are the one who started the insulting; an insult you are yet to retract. Plus, you don't have to start trying to prove yourself to me. Stop being so defensive.

"I'm sure of course you being perfect" - You're making me blush.

"My only point in saying that to Mimir was that they were bashing something they didn't know enough about" - No offence, but you don't seem to know much about the subject yourself.

"I put it in quotes, not because you said it but because I was saying it in the context of someone speaking" - You are really confusing me. What do you mean you put it in quotes? No you didn't. I am asking you to quote me. Quote where I have said that they have WMD. You said that I said this, I want to know when.

Okay, I retract my statement.
Happy? haha.

You did not say that.

Okay, apparently I've really confused you.
"Sorry, but they are not linked to politicans.
They don't get to go talk to president Bush and say hey, I think we should go home now because they don't have any WMD's like you said they did when we started this war."

By "you said they did" I meant Bush said they did, not you personally.

& no, I didn't put it quotes, however I really thought I did at first.

& yes I got defensive.

I was actually asking you to retract your insult; the one you threw at Mimir.

Ok, thank you for clearing that up. However, the soldiers are no more than henchmen at the moment, and Bush is nothing more than a criminal firing his gun in the air and laughing. As long as the "troops" continue to murder on his behalf they do not have my respect.

I want them home just as much as you do but I do NOT support them in what they are doing.

The statement I was refering to was the insult.
I Don't take back anything else.

& I still thing you can morally support the troops without suporting Bush or the war. I want them home. I want them safe, so therefore I support them.

If your morals lie in murder, I suppose...

"moral support" is simply being there for someone.
I don't think you even know exactly what the US troops are currently doing in Iraq right now.
The ones that are being sent over and going to help rebuild, not to shoot and blow up people.
They get hurt going on missions that consist of clearing buildings.

I'm going to call this post bullshit, from me being there I have to say this is a lie. I really liked the cant make friends part because they all die. Bullshit.

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g'day

Iraq will become the new Vietnam. Read the history on that one or see the movie "We were Soldiers once, and young" with Mel Gibson. My uncle was in 'Nam and he ended up with severe mental and emotional problems. It sounds like you have Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (used to be called Battle Fatigue or Shell Shock)

See a doctor, be stong and love life again.

Peace and Light