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Is objectification to be expected by female attire?
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I wasn't sure how to word the title, but what I'm getting at is this. It seems to me, and ladies correct me if I'm wrong, that many women want to express their sexuality and feel sexually empowered and so they dress and look according to that. Heterosexual men have lust for women and so when they pick up on a woman wearing sexually empowering attire they are naturally drawn to this. It seems a contradiction if then the woman is offended by being objectified. I just think lust stems from physical attraction and physicality is an object. But I'm open to discuss it and have my opinion challenged.
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Can you not think someone looks good while still thinking of them as a person with thoughts and feelings?
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Yes but objectification is treating the woman as if she is an object not a person. Nothing wrong with lusting over how she looks, she is likely to find this complimentary, as long as you're not creepy about it.
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So you can lust over how she looks without her thinking you're treating her like an object? How do you do this?
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You've just gotta be classy and keep your hormones in check would be my advice. Avoid looking at the cleavage for long periods of time, even if it's a low cut top. Make sure you hear at least every 3rd word she says, that way at least it appears as though you're listening. I don't know, it's actually a pretty good question now that I think about it, but many of these things are so subjective and hard to answer because it really depends on how people perceive things.
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Yeah, I'll say. Well thanks man anyway at least I'm not the only one who's baffled when contemplating this
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I think a woman would give you better advice on this than a man can.
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novonome
you are certainly not. It's nice to see a post that people are scared to come and debate.
I think that says alot about the subject;)
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what the hell
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...by not treating her like an object? It's really not that hard. Next time you think a woman is attractive, just remember that the person you're lusting over IS STILL A PERSON. What a concept.
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yeah but if they want to be regarded in a sexual manner then that is objectification? can't you see the hypocrisy in that?
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true
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Women desire being desired more than they desire being respected. Whether she takes offense to your looking is solely based on your value relative to hers. The only difference between 'cute' and 'creepy' behavior is how attractive the guy is.
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@: felixy
I love when people act like they're an expert in situations they've literally never been in. White people explaining racism, men explains sexism, etc. Literally any woman in the world can give you a thousand differences between cute and creepy behavior that have nothing to do with how attractive a guy is, but unattractive guys love spouting this nonsense to makes themselves feel better about their creepy behavior.
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"Literally any woman in the world can give you a thousand differences between cute and creepy behavior that have nothing to do with how attractive a guy is..."

If you're a woman, you couldn't even manage to give me one. I imagine when you wrote your comment you pictured borderline sociopathic behavior, like staring into windows and stalking and constant phone calls. Obviously it doesn't matter if the guy looked like Brad Pitt, any woman would call the police.

I'm talking about far more mundane and realistic behavior. If an attractive man compliments a woman on her appearance, it makes her week. If an overweight acne-faced loser does it, it makes her lose her appetite.
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xfg41
She's advertising that she wants to be pushed in a closet and raped.
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@: xfg41
wow your crazy
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Depends.

Some women get sexualised when they're genuinely minding their own business and not trying to be sexual. That can even include some situations where nudity is "normal", expected and not sexual, like at the beach or in breastfeeding. Nudity doesn't always have a sexualised context.

That's a different situation to a woman walking into the office in a low-cut blouse, bra showing, and then getting angry when men look. Same for women who insist on going to the gym in tight leggings. I'm not going to call you a "slut", wear what you want sis more power to you, but if you sexualise YOURSELF don't complain when men see you that way. (short of them actually laying their hands on you, then you have a genuine complaint).
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This is such a stupid argument. Do you seriously not realize that flawed logic goes both ways?

If you believe women are inviting that kind of behavior from men by the way they dress and thus shouldn't be allowed to get angry...what are men doing when they act like that? They're inviting women to get angry. By your own logic, you should tell men that they can look all you want, but don't get angry when women call you out for being creepy.
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Men who act like that are doing the exact same thing.

If a guy walks into the room flexing his muscles, in any state of undress... he's inviting women to look... and I'll look with them, as a gay man.

The "difference" (which is why I didn't bother mentioning it earlier) is that it's not normalised for men to sexualise themselves like women do... but then when one DOES, he knows exactly what he's doing and doesn't complain when women view him as "sexy".

I don't have a double standard, that's you saying that. Man or woman, wear what the fuck you want... but you can't dictate how people are going to see you or judge you for how you're dressed.

If you know damn well that you look sexy with your shirt un-buttoned and you feel empowered going out like that, good for you that's great. Either own your sexuality and be like "yeah, I felt like being sexy today", or if you can't handle it go home and get dressed into something that won't get you that attention. Either way, suck it up and stop being a dramatic victimhood-obsessed whiner.

What's "stupid" is leaving the house with your ass and tits virtually on show, lingerie showing, and expecting that, somehow, straight men are not going to notice. That's a damn topsy-turvy world you live in that's how you think.
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I would be very careful with these things these days. Since the feminist movement changed society it has become much more easier for men to be harmed by such things. If you look or speak to a woman in a way she thinks is sexist etc it can lead to legal repercussions. If you have sex with a woman and she decides it was a mistake, she can go to the Police and tell them you raped her. Your life would be ruined so be very very careful. Probably better to largely avoid women you don't know.
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you put it nicer than I would, In my opinion if a woman is dressed like a slut she should expect people to treat her like one.
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@: MR.mr
Do you apply this kind of knuckle dragging, caveman mentality to all boring, outdated generalizations and stereotypes?

Get over yourself, Neanderthal. The whole world doesn't revolve around you.
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actually no if she dresses like a slut that means she dressed up FOR SOMEONE not to be hit or most times other times there going somewhere
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females do not like dressing up first off and secondly if we wanted to get approved by guys we would have to walk around naked all the damn time we dress for females and ourselves
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