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I think that religions should be wiped off the face of the earth. However the only way i think this should be done is by displaying the evidence and debate against them and trying to convince these people.

I too would not try to'opress' peoples beliefs, even though i don't think they should have them.
I don't know why, i suppose that unlike when religions get in control I know that my views are based on evidence, so i don't need to force people to believe them. Perhaps I'm just nice. Obviously I wouldn't ban somone from having different political views even if they were a facist or whatever, but that wouldn't stop me trying to show them and other people that those views were wrong. Of course if there was evidence the other way then i suppose I should chamnge political views.

But heres the difference between religion and politics: If science showed god existed that wouldn't mean christians had been right all along, they would have been untterly irrational and stupid all along, believing in a book rather than thinking, the scientists who produced a model of the world step by step would have been right every step of the way (as in they would say X seems to do this.) The scientist knows that the universe seems to behave in such a way, This is right becasue he's checked and it DOES seem to behave like that. The Beliver doesn't know that the universe behaves like that, he just believes so.

And personally, well I can't see science ever proving religion right, and if it were then god would be bloody strange to have created such a situation.

Personally, I wish that athiests wouldn't push their non-beliefs on others.

-Worst Wishes
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"Irrational story". Obviously. So you're saying that regardless of religion, the faithful continue to believe because they don't see the world around them? That's full of holes. I'm not religious at all, but I think you're an assclown. Okay, but seriously, you need to take a debate class and pump this up several levels. All kinds of people make ignorant assertions when it comes to religion. Normal.

I wish Christians would stfu and not judge every single person based on a factual book. Push beliefs on others? Pfft.

yea, i mean, christians are the one pushing their ideas, trying to get them to follow them practically the moment the child is born. Also, i have see people too mentally handicapped to even understand the basic concept of their religion, but are taught it neverless, to help power their religion and increase numbers

And are you Mr. Random Person some sort of educated person?

You ever notice that with all that "science" behind them that the athiests try to say that Religious people can't prove their religion - rather than face the fact that athiests and science CANT PROVE THEIR ISN'T.

Question- how did the Universe start>

Religious person - God, a supreme being was the prime moving force of all mattter and energy.

Athiest- Duh.. Bing Bang , UM something that Science hasn't yet discovered, UM- scientists are still working on it, Um....

to the person above

the whole way science works is trying to find things out through experimentation/mathematics, rather than just expecting to already know the answer and not questioning it.

The fact that a scientist cannot be 100% sure about something is not a weakness of science, it is them being truthful rather than being a religious nutter who thinks that their blind faith and refusal to accept something is not true somehow makes it true.

The religious person may be able to give a succint answer to something and believe it unmovably but that doesn't stop it being completely wrong. I mean it shows a certain amount of arrogance that anyone would expect something like that to be so easily graspable by everyone (the media will simplify and hyperbole and scientific theories to get them in a form that will interest a person who hasn't spent years studying advanced physics.)

Proving 'there isn't a god' is of course difficult if this god apparently relies on faith and refuses to prove his existance. But in reality this makes the whole thing ridiculous, its like proving theres not a teapot in orbit around a star six billion lightyears away, if it has no effect then it makes no difference, and the fact is that while it could never be entirely disproved there is mountains of evidence against christianity, and yet people still cling to what remains, why? after so much of it is shown to be ridiculous to you not think that this twists the whole concept to the unbelievable even by religious standards.

It is impossible really in science to prove anuthing to 100%, but this doesn't justify believing in the other view, just because the matrix or whatever may be possible doesn't mean you should assume it is, if anything you should assume for the purpose of living the result that evidence supports. You may be living in some form of the truman show or in a world made by a creator in a week who happened to put loads of fossils, carbon isotpes and the like in to confuse us, perhaps he's playing tricks on us all the time so we develop all this false evidence but the fact is that that is so inconcievably unlikely that it is as close to impossible as you can see on a clear day, in short to make that assumption would be more mad than many people with serious paranoia.

And By the way the idea that science and religion are somehow the same is just bollocks. Proper scientists do not believe in the theory of evolution, they are convinced it is right by accumulation of evidence and logic. Religious people on the other hand believe in creation, whilst it could be considered an alternative theory it is no more notable than 8 bagillion others that would be thrown out straight away because they don't fit the world.

People can believe what they like as long as they don't try to shove their beliefs down my throat.

Logically speaking, the religion of the flying spaghetti monster could be as equally as credible as any major religion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_spaghetti_monster

You say science can't prove anything 100%. That is ridiculous. Science is always proving things. Go tell a scientist he can never prove his theory 100% so wht bother trying.

Fact remains that no matter what science proves it has yet to find an answer to "what energy acted first to move the first matter?"

Religous people believe it is God. Different religions branched out from there.

Anyone can spend wasted time trying to disprove a particular religion. The time is wasted- simple put - because even if you can disprove a religous branch (christianity judaism) etc.- You and science cannot disprove that their is a God.

All your diatribe is misdirected.

Prove their is no God- or accept that people have a right to "understand" their God via any religous branch. Your disproving of any facts of a religous branch is meaningless.

deep shit

Do you believe in gravity?

"A scientist's faith in cause and effect is so intense that he will accept as undisputed fact the existence of an activating force, even if it plainly contradicts rationality. A case in point is the force of gravity... No one has ever seen, felt, or measured a wave or partical of gravity. Our only proof that the force of gravity exists is that physical bodies move [without seeming cause.]..." - From "Mind over Matter"

Here's the homepage for the Church of the FSM

http://www.venganza.org/index.htm

i agree with the poster.
All organized religion is in one way or the other an escape from responsibility.
An escape from the fact that we are capable of everything and all outcomes in this world are our choice.
Nothing happends by chance.

It feels good to convince yourself you aint responsible, even though you are.
Your also guilty of all the actions you HAVENT taken in life.
All that you could have done but didn´t.
God gave you wisdom, hands and time.
What have you done with it?

Haha, if escape from responsibility is the defining feature of all organized religions, science is in serious trouble.

There is no greater excuse for any animalistic behavior then claiming that our ancestors were in fact animals, and no greater restraint then understanding that we are created in the image of the heavenly.

In addition, science proves a lack of free will greater then any religion's ideas of divine providence. Factor in all of the different effects behind a certain event, that event is proven to have been destined to happen. Scientifically, every action a human performs is the result of definable factors and influences, making it inevitable.

So much for the religion of science.

i have no idea what you´re talking about.

Interesting debate,
I, myself dont like the idea of poping people into boxes that say, "christian" "atheist" or anything else...
Every person is utterly different than the next (main reason why such debates often get rather heated).

I like to think that I dont fit a box, I am me, other people are who they are, I live my life by the laws which govern our society, I do what I want, within the social, ethical and moral boundarys taught to me by my life, by experiance and by learning for myself.

Live is one thrilling journey, please dont waste it by arguing and feeling obligated to retort against someones (perhaps strongminded, and even a little provoking, oppinions) what has happened in the past has happened. The future is where, I feel, eyes and minds need to be.

Our Worldly society, if it feels the need to survive, we truely need to unify the Human race, and begin working as a whole entity, towards world peace, world nourishment, world pollution management, and saving this, totally insignificant.. speck, within what is.. all existance, from disaster.
We're already making the mistakes, we are ignoring it.

You are normal. Oppinions are normal.

Conversational tangents rule!

Grab your head by the ears and PULL!


...open your mind.

I agree somewhat with the main poster. More wars have been fought, and blood shed in the name of it than anything else in our history.

The reason I said I agreed "somewhat" is that religion, true or false, can be healthy for many people. It helps them get through tough times, and brings comfort in a world that isn't so great right now. I'm not religous, but I don't want to shove my ideas down someone elses throat no more than them shoving it down mine. That would be hypocritical.

Whatever gets you through life...

If God is real what created him???.

Nothing??????

so he is just there?

BTW im Athiest

If religion didn't exist, thousands of people who have died since 2001 would still be alive. Both those killed by the Teleban and those bombed by the U.S.