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Sometimes I don't actually want starving African children to survive.
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I know it's not normal, but I want to hear your thoughts on this.

There's a large part of Africa that's considered "third world". What marks their poverty is that they have high infant mortality rates, no electricity or running water. And maybe, it's better that way.

Consider, for one, the technological decadence that marks first-world countries. We produce massive amounts of pollution in our cities, with our cars and our factories. We consume huge amounts of electricity, and the fossil fuels used to create said electricity are in dwindling amounts.

Now, imagine if all of today's third-world nations had access to all of the resources we have. There would be more strain on our resources than there already is, and much more pollution. Consider the birth rate. Because of the new availability of medical treatment, more African children survive, but the mothers have children at the same frequency as before, so they have to spread supplies more thinly. This does not solve anything.

And if a lot of African mothers got care for their children suddenly, population would skyrocket. We can barely support our population as is, let alone with an additional billion.

It may not be the politically correct way of thinking, or the traditionally moral way of thinking. But if third world countries had everything we do...would it really be the best decision for all of us?
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I understand where you are coming from.

If we are thinking in a logical way, it's easy to see that those parts of countries were never meant to support human life. Early humans wouldn't settle somewhere with no fresh water, land that cannot be cultivated and intense heat and overall poor living conditions.

It is terrible, awful that humans have to suffer in this way. All people deserve the chance to live a good, healthy life, unfortunately that isn't how our world works.

I study environmental issues at school and the only solution that would solve all of our world problems is to decrease the population of the earth. There are simply too many of us for the earth to sustain us. Of course there is absolutely no way of doing this, it would be unreasonable and unethical.

So in short, helping these people, giving them care and hand outs is having a negative effect on our planet. However there really isn't anything that can be done about it. All people have equal rights to have a chance at life.
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heres a thought on controlling the worlds population. birth control. yea yea i know here most people have access to free condoms and free birthcontrol if they know where to go, but does everyone else? i can almost guarantee you if everybody had birth control we wouldnt be so over populated, therefore this person wouldnt have to hope underprivledged people die for the sake of the environment.
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Also, abortion. :p
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I agree. Abortion needs to be 100% legal and birth control need to be around now because of this.
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The complementing side to this argument would be that women unfortunately would have to give birth naturally. Western medicine and procedures such as C-sections has made sure of too high a live birth rate. Excuse my bluntness, but women and kids who are not fit enough to survive childbirth are not dying --> overpopulation. Food and crops however, these could be managed so that a longer lifespan shouldn't be a problem. I'd think that longer lifespans with less people on the planet is better than overpopulation with longer lifespans and unsustainable agricultural growth.
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One way of preventing world overpopulation would be to make sure women across the world better have access to birth control. Another way would be to make abortion for women more of a possibility than it is right now. In every country. I think both of these ideas are better than the idea of having women and children unfit for surviving childbirth just die.
I suppose the kids not being able to survive childbirth would end up dead upon birth either way, my way just doesn't include killing any women as well.
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That wound't work because of the christian beliefs many african's hold.
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No wat ya do right, is nuke the world and then now it wont b over populated for a loooooong time:)
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i am sensing a lot of terrorist vibes from you O.O
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The trouble is, there are a high amount of catholics in africa, which doesn't allow birth control. This would not work in Africa at the moment. Why do you think aids is such a problem?
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I agree, So why are we all delaying it?
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sorry, i didn't read all of this or the other comments. but you're american right? it's not a suprise that you want your country to be the superior one, that's the the attitude we're used to here. but it's not right to wish bad things on anyone. keeping other parts of the world beneath us is wrong. and i'm not even gonna start on how disgusting it is to wish children will die slow and painfully like that.
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@: justsad
Amazing how evil people are these days!
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@: justsad
That's right. You didn't read all of it.
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@: justsad
I don't think the author is wishing them harm. He's just saying that we should stop wasting our time trying to help them.

There is a difference.
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He was actually.
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@: justsad
Well, I'd rather places like the UK and the USA are on top, because that's where I live. There's always going to be a superpower, or country or group of countries in control. I certainly don't want to be working in sweat shops, or have a lower standard of living. That's just the harsh truth of life.
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It's all me, me, me with the western world
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Look after oneselves is quite an achievement for some people.
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You actually wrote the solution to the whole problem yourself. We're all living in an abundance of luxury. All of us just have to step down and realize that we can't keep riding mother earth like a rodeo bull.

And also, sorry if I'm being insulting, do you know the least about demographic sciences? African mothers wouldn't keep plopping out tons of kiddies if there was wellfare present. The birthrate numbers will drop when it's not necessary to give birth to ten kids, to keep one alive.
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The first-world countries have their own problems - identity crises, glass ceilings, high-stake achievement tests in schools, controlling environments... it's a dystopia within itself. We're not free. We follow a script. Perhaps to free ourselves we must pay it forward, but I see the original poster as having a valid opinion.
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Actually, in Africa there's a very patriarchal society, where conventional marriage is not common. I'm not being racist, because it's the truth, but many African men feel it's their right to rape, or sleep with as many women as they can, regardless of the numbers of children it will create. That's why there's such a huge aids problem in Africa. They do not have a culture where childbirth can be controlled, it takes a long period of time for people to adjust into a westernised style of family life.
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Hello??? Where's my Lamborghini?
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I understand your reasoning but as someone who volunteers in african hospitals its incredibly offensive to me. if you have ever been face to face with real human suffering you would understand that no one, anywhere, deserves to live in extreme poverty with no health care, exposed to disease and unprotected in war, starving to death, dehydrated to the point of insanity...its disturbing and it is real and it is happening NOW in under developed countries all over the world, and although i dont believe turning every country into a mini-america would benefit our planet in the long run, i do believe that those of us who are fortunate enough to live without those kinds of hardships should try to increase the standard of living for those people who struggle just to feed their families.
Its astoundingly insensitive that you actually believe that your life is more valuable then those in underdeveloped nations on the sole basis that you were lucky enough not to be born in that situation.

If it was you living in an unsanitary, dark room smaller then the bathroom of your house with your entire family, starving, and uncertain of how or if you and your children will survive you would be singing a different tune.
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@ tygeronherbed

As someone who LIVES in Africa... born & bred... allow me to add my thoughts on this situation.

First of all, let me start by saying that I do not hate blacks and I'm not racist to a large degree, but probably just as much as anybody else is when faced with a nation of people, the MAJORITY of which is constantly selfish and savage and will probably never change no matter how much they are westernised. In fact, the more they are given, the more full of crap they get, take a look at Mugabe for instance. Black people for the most part in AFRICA think very differently to black people who were raised in first world countries.

I do not think people anywhere in the world deserve to suffer - especially not children as they did not ask to be put here. However, the African mentality is such that the more they breed, the richer they are! WTF is that? Normal people know how costly it is to raise just one child, but it doesn't seem to phase our blacks. Some families here have as many as 15 kids, if not more! Our president alone has several wives and at his ripe old age has just welcomed another baby into the world much to the disgust of most of our nation. Where is the justice in that? It's not the childs fault, but that of the parents. I have believed for years that some sort of ban should be instituted here in Africa so that we may not have more than a specified number of children. Why go on having kids when you are living in poverty and have no way to even feed them?

I always wondered why during the famine / drought in Ethopia, you saw men and women starving to death, lying there emaciated, but the woman would have a malnourished child attached to her shrivelled breast! That would mean that she had sex with a man - both starving to death, and then somehow sustained a pregnancy and gave birth to a child that she couldn't even feed from her own body! Who in their right mind would want to have sex when they're half dead anyway? How they sustained those pregnancies beats the shit outta me, not to mention how they didn't expire while giving birth... Not to mention how the men even managed to get it up let alone use it while being little more than skeletons with skin on. That in itself just goes to show their mentality.

Anyway, all I have to say to the author of this thread is that I get you. I don't wish death on children or any person for that matter, but as for over population, I completely understand where you are coming from. Living my entire life in South Africa has made me pretty hardened to the cause when I have grown up as witness to their way of thinking. If you didn't watch District 9, do yourself a favour, because the sci fi twist aside, if you watch it with the mentality of black africans in mind, you will get what the writer was trying to convey loud and clear. That is pretty much what it's like. White's are sick to death of it all and are ruthless, blacks are just fudging it and once in a while yo
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And to add to that, I do think it is unfair that the rest of the world should have to bear the burden of feeding and supporting over populated countries. If the funding for these causes were to be better redirected towards providing sustainable health care and education, I would have little reason to complain. And the people who breed needlessly would be forced to stop eventually because they would have no handouts to rely on. However, this should be the burden of the country with the problem, not the rest of the worlds problem. African governments seem to have no clue as to how to successfully run their countries because they're too busy skimming off the top while they watch their poverty stricken countrymen die. The corruption on this continent is at a disgusting level! Other countries giving them handouts are just helping to enable this. Bloody sad!
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"I do not think people anywhere in the world deserve to suffer - especially not children as they did not ask to be put here. However, the African mentality is such that the more they breed, the richer they are! WTF is that? Normal people know how costly it is to raise just one child, but it doesn't seem to phase our blacks. Some families here have as many as 15 kids, if not more! Our president alone has several wives and at his ripe old age has just welcomed another baby into the world much to the disgust of most of our nation. Where is the justice in that? It's not the childs fault, but that of the parents. I have believed for years that some sort of ban should be instituted here in Africa so that we may not have more than a specified number of children. Why go on having kids when you are living in poverty and have no way to even feed them?"

I can totally relate to this. I'm in Northern Canada and everything I just read of your post applies to my town. Here, the more babies you have, the more money you get from the government. The difference is that here the problem of alcoholism has made poverty and FAS a huge problem. People just keep popping out babies so that they can get more money to drink more... It's sick... (Oh, and also here it's Aboriginal peoples and not black peoples.) But that doesn't mean they should die. There just needs to be a better use of resources (which is pretty much what you said).
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Just replying to a small point. I love District 9 and I read your reading of it. Thanks for letting us know the other side of the story. I often also wonder how strong the female bodies have to be to give birth!
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A racist white southafrican, well thats something new. How you people can call anyone savage is beyond me considering your peoples past actions.
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omg you typed an whole essay as a reply!!!
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HEy I liked his answer :)
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Granted a bit long, but interesting.
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define "deserve". Yes, basically everybody in this website is lucky enough to be born somewhere where they do have internet access. But why is it our RESPONSIBILITY to ensure the survival of the less fortunate? There will always be less fortunate humans and animals out there. Most animals on this planet live in the wild and are forced to hunt for their own food and water. Overall, isn't it THEIR responsibility to adapt to their own conditions and figure it out?


I'm not saying that we shouldn't help: nor am I saying that we should. But for how much longer can we continue to put so many resources into third world African nations? Although I am lucky to have access to food, water, shelter, and good education, I don't feel guilty for it. There's only so much that we can do. What is our overall goal? To ensure that every suffering African citizen is in good health? To keep giving them resources until we have nothing left to give?


I don't consider my life to be more valuable; it has nothing to do with that. But I'm just trying to be practical here. Born in wealth or poverty, we are all essentially responsible for ourselves and nobody else. It's wrong to accuse people of being selfish and vain simply because they don't feel the need to attempt to rejuvenate a society that is clearly unfit to survive within the confines of their environment.


No matter what, there will also, inevitably, be people suffering. It's difficult for many humans to accept that trying to save the world may not be the most practical solution right now.

I do not consider myself to be a cruel person in the least bit. But I do come from a logical perspective and at the end of the day, it all comes down to Darwinism. Survival of the fittest. You can argue all you want about how "everybody is equal" and "the situation is not fair" but in the end, it doesn't change ANYTHING. Lucky or not, we are the survivors and we are the fittest. Science is a cold-hearted bitch and there's nothing you can do about it.

Just like your mother said, life isn't fair and it never will be.
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That's the spirit.

We should stop giving out aids beyond a certain point.
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The thing I hate is when people (I'm not talking about you, because you haven't said this, but other people who have) assume that poverty is only bad in other countries. I live in a town which is considered "fourth world," or, a third world inside of a first world. I've seen poverty beyond anything I've ever seen in any other part of this country. I've seen people digging through trash just to have some food for the night. I've seen people drinking polluted water (polluted by mine tailings, not bugs, but nonetheless, deadly). I've seen children, alone, in the street, with a diaper that probably hasn't been changed in a week wearing nothing else, in a puddle, at 10 in the night. Yes there is access to education and health care, but how does a baby go to the doctor if nobody takes them? How does a child learn if they simply can't? A rough estimate of the school that I went to for most of my life, is that 80% of the school today is FAS or FAE (Fetal Alcohol Syndrome/Effects). This means that 80% of the children in my school's mother drank while they were pregnant. This comes from addiction and an utter lack of resources. Nobody cares because nobody knows it's here. Why can't a documentary team come to Northern Canada and film children with flies on their faces and digging through garbage to make people feel bad so that they'll do something to help?

It's called a fourth world, and something should be done. That does not mean that all of these people should just DIE because they're suffering. And trust me, OP, there are fourth worlds in your precious America, too. Should we just kill off all of the impoverished? But hey, with the way the economy is going, America might just be a third world country in a few years anyway, then we'll see what you think.

OP, you're sick.
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I totally support pulling people out from their homelessness, but along with theeeeir own spirit if they want to get back to supporting themselves and be part of the society! I want to make sure that they can get back onto their feet, but also knowing that I should not feel guilty if they're not willing.
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i think that many societies can and do function perfectly well with what they have, but when it comes to the point where one society is causing others to suffer due to greed and lack of compassion that its up to the more fortunate to help in any way we can...
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Is there anything this skank doesn't lie about. It is nice to see somone have all this time to write here yet go to school, have a productive life and volunteer as well.

I call Bullshit, and at least I am more honest than skanygirl here is.
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Okay, it is really hard to see why what you're saying is wrong because your reasoning sounds so thought out. However your main issue is that you're comparing third world to first word they are very different things. I'm sorry I really am but I believe it is more than our duty to help those less fortunate than us, however it seems to me that our own societies have many problems and if our goal is to make them us how does that help anyone.

We must fix ourselves before we can think of branching out and helping others. Pollution, population, these are problems on our own doorstep that need addressed. I think we should leave the third world the hell alone unless we are a utopian society.

PS. a good start would be our own population control. Just a thought.
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Sorry that last comment wasn't directed at you I must have clicked reply by accident.
This one was
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...and by the way, who the fuck do you think builds up our economies in the first place but people in the third world? They work very hard in mines and oil fields to dig up resources that get processed into consumer goods for us in the First World, and they get paid next to nothing. They just get barely enough to scrap by. Our economy is completely based on using desperation as a bargaining chip. If you're already starving, and someone steps in with a factory, you're willing to put up with more shit, like child labour, , 12 hour+ work shifts, no workman's comp, all at 2 dollars a day or whatever the minimum people are willing to work is to make and mine shit that ends up getting sold at a maximum price in retail markets. Wallstreet, The IMF, The World Bank, etc intentionally undermines foreign currency to make our flimsy and overly dependent service sector economies function. That's why any jerk off can buy something as complex as a personal computer with a minimum wage job selling retail shoes. Something tells me there isn't a real labour exchange there.
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Actually, people in third world countries have only recently added to the wealth of the western world. Europe made it's fortune by itself largely, through trading with each other, and America largely comes from Europe, so that first point's invalid. Secondly, that's why they're called unskilled labourers. Because they do the unskilled part of the job such as picking cotton, or mining etc which any one can do. It's the skilled people that get the majority of the money, because they have the skills required for their particular job. And yes, that's life. Survival of the fittest etc. Get used to it.
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Perhaps you should have everything that makes your life comfortable taken away from you and see how it feels
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Doesn't work that way - the OP shouldn't feel guilty about making this point. Critical thinking for the win. Practicality, reality, life.
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Global warming is just a political attempt to control the less educated.

Overpopulation, disease, lack of food & fuel, doctors playing hero. What ever happened to survival of the fitest....got a 37 Y O step sister with cerebal palsey...from birth....just drools slop all over and has NO quality of life, begs God to let her die! "Highly educated doctors" playing hero and milking the system "saved" her....that would be YOU and I!

If you can't feed em, don't breed em! Plan ahead...Native Americans, as well as many wise groups have always planned ahead. Most N A tribes planned seven generations ahead! I believe thats 175 years! Gee we sure are smart! Put yout dick away and use your brain!!

Sally Struthers should take her butt to Africa and go feed those INNOCENT VICTIMS herself...if you do not let nature take its course you will pay later...BIG TIME.

Get mad at me but do try to consider my words before running a filthy mouth and spewing hate.

TRUTH IS ONE
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Empathy is a common emotion that you lack.
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Your reasoning makes sense but theres something faulty about it. Actually theres a couple of flaws im going to point out.


You speak of something so extreme and take the other extreme and say its ok for the unfortunate ones who are at the other, lower extreme, so long as the "first class" gets their fill. The "low class" however, stays where they are, for the sake of the first class keeping the pollution "at bay"


which basically sums up to allowing a "necessary evil", that is starving humans, but "its ok", as long as certain entitled individuals continue polluting.


You are discriminating. I'll explain why. You say its better to have a population die to ease the pressure on earth's resources, yet you only apply this culling to a CERTAIN population, that being the black african one.

It would have made more logical sense, if you followed your own reasoning, to ANNIHILATE the polluters, the gluttonous consumers, the major source of earth's destruction, the total OPPOSITE of african children, but you mentioned nothing of it. Instead you pinpoint the "undesirables" and deem them unworthy of living.



If YOU were a starving child in a third world country, im sure you wouldnt be as enthusiastic about this idea. furthermore, try to explain this to a starving child look him in the eye and tell him this.
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This is true.

In fact, it would just be better for people in industrialized countries to cut down on their pollution considerably, and stop having so many children. This way, resources would be evenly spread out. Unfortunately, this is an extremely daunting task, at least in the United States, considering how influential big business interests and the conservative right are in the government.

Considering that nobody in their right mind would go about a murderous rampage of powerful first-world countries, and people in Africa are dying anyway, this would be the path of least resistance, if not the "morally" or "racially" justifiable choice.

And on an unrelated personal note, sub-Saharan African gender and sex attitudes are pretty scary stuff.
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.....nd stop having so many children."

Agreed. China continues to have a "one child policy" rule and some organizations give free condoms/contraceptives. Its measures like these that I believe are more effective.

....this would be the path of least resistance, if not the "morally" or "racially" justifiable choice."

But you are applying abuse of power.
It seems that now you have turned to another source of reasoning, and that is "well they are dying anyway", however, will you apply this reasoning equally? Many cancer and AIDS patients in and out of this country are "dying anyways" but you seem to place their value higher based on their lucrative and fiscal disposition/environment.


Think about what you are saying. Even IF you do wipe out and kill the entire starving african population and all other poverty groups of "least resistance",
What if the remaining powerful countries REPOPULATE exponentially out of control and within 30 years we are faced again with the same problem, who will be your scapegoat of "least resistance" then? Who will be your next group deemed unworthy of living?

You have to find the CORE issue here otherwise itd be a never ending cycle.


.....And on an unrelated personal note, sub-Saharan African gender and sex attitudes are pretty scary stuff."

True. What exactly are you referring to though?



on another personal note, im wondering if you come from a wealthy background.....
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Well the thing is they are so poor they can not feed those children. Why are they even having more to begin with? If you were that poor and watching all that would you want to bring a child into this world?

That is incredibly inconsiderate. Yes we have the urge to have sex but is it so hard to control yourself? I do not think people who are this poor should be having children. I think we should do something to stop pregnancy of these women.

Since that part of the country keeps having children they can not care for. I think everyone should have a responsibility to NOT reproduce if you can not care for the child. People who can not care for children do this in other countries and go on aid. I found this very irresponsible.
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"""If YOU were a starving child in a third world country, im sure you wouldnt be as enthusiastic about this idea. furthermore, try to explain this to a starving child look him in the eye and tell him this."""

BRAVO! WELL SAID!
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@: OhMyMy
Never said it'd be easy - just like euthanasia, abortion, etc etc... sometimes it must be done, but it should never be easy.
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Well, if you annihilated the polluters, the entire world would collapse, as would Africa as they would no longer have any aid at all. And they are completely incapable of governing themselves. So, to be honest I think they need to sort themselves out. Especially as they wanted independence so badly and eventually got it from the British Empire. They wanted independence, so I say give it to them. Let them sort themselves out.
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i understand where you're coming from. sometimes i just dont care about them, and others i love them with all of my heart. i think a simple solution to all of it would be to tell them to stop having sex so much so they wont have to worry about population and famish so much. i dont even see how someone could even think of sex when they are fighting for their life everyday.
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Sex, food and shelter. Three basic things in the bottom most tier of Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs.
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Are you serious?...
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Why should we help them when theres starving kids here in america???
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I think all problems in the world stem from laziness, selfishness, and greed. You're selfish for wanting Africans dead so that you can maintain your lavish, western, consumerist lifestyle. Africans are selfish for wanting so many kids to carry their legacy. There's egoism all over the place. If we don't get our egoism under control as a species, were gonna end up back in the stone age (best case scenario) or extinct with all life on earth (worst case scenario).
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I am the same way i see all the comercials to help starving african kids and i wonder why we send so much money over there when we areselves struggle with extreme poverty and homelessness. So i say forget africa until we fix ourselves
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Not to worry. As the saying goes "What does not kill you only makes you stronger".

http://www.internetworldstats.com/stats.htm

You will see that Africa has the Highest growth rate of people in the world. So although they are dieing like rats, they are multiplying like rabbits.

As things become tougher around the world, I would think their ability to survive under the harshest conditions will probably make them prevail over people in the more 'spoiled' countries.
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WRONG LINK!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_population
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violent10dency
Ok did you ever consider that maybe it is selfish to think that YOU should get the luxuries and THEY shouldn't? I'm not trying to be rude but I really do not understand what you are getting at.

First off yes we have an overpopulated world and yes large cities are poluting the earth. However I'm not really buying the whole global warming BULLSHIT! Plus why shouldn't all humans have a better chance at life?

If we are to move forward in our global economy and have technological progress we must find a way to better ourselves and that means everybody. Healthier eating habits and a healthier environmemt for EVERYBODY should be our goal.



When I was 13 I went on a camping trip to the Smokey Mountains with a group of friends and we got lost in the woods for 3 days before anybody found us. We had a tent and I was with older kids but we had no water and no food and it was horrible and terrifying. It was so hot during the day and so cold at night. I can not imagine what life could be like for some of those people.

No, people do not need electricity or running water to survive but they do need clean water and good healthy food. You have no idea what it would be like to dehydrate or starve to death. I doubt you even know what it is like to go one day without something to drink. So you should really think about that.

It is not fair that people spend millions and billions of the most idiotic things when others live on 2 cents a day. I hope one day people come to their senses and realize that or WE are ALL going to be in trouble one day.
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The reason we have the luxuries and they don't is because we worked hard for it, managed to organise ourselves and over the centuries sort out many health and social problems with prevented success. Do you think it was pure luck or chance? No! It was because our ancestors worked hard to achieve it, where as African tribes did nothing but fight with each other instead of setting up a civilisation.
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Aye! It's not friken easy, is it? Generations after generations of hard work. As a migrant myself, I friken thank my parents for having the guts to check out the world with nothing on their backs.
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It's survival of the fittest. If Africans can't get past their superstitions and petty tribal arguments in order to raise themsevles out of third world status, perhaps it's Darwinism in action.
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I totally agree with violent10dency. I would like all you people who think this is normal to live in a "third world" for one week, then go back and read your cruel, ignorant comments. Yes, changes need to be made there. But what about us? We are a spoiled, snobby people who can't get enough! We give millions in government grants so we can have ridiculous things like poetry in zoos! (Look it up) And yes, global warming is bullshit. For those who don't agree-do a little research. The earth goes through natural changes. Current "climate change" (Notice the recent change in the politically correct terminolgy. In case things go the other way asses are covered)is more grant money going into the pockets of the corrupt. If you think population is a problem, kill yourself. If the idiotic people on here haven't noticed our county is going to hell in a hand basket. Soon our quality of life will be quite different than it is now-and its not b/c of GW its b/c of politics, government, and people with the attitude of self-entitlement, like many commenting here! We may soon have a taste of what many in Afirca are suffering.
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@: Luna81
Standards of normalcy are variable.
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I dont understand why all those poor africans keep having babies if they cant even take care of themselves.
Either they need to control their boners, or they need to use birth control.
No, i dont feel bad for them.
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Most of the time they do not have access to birth control. :( The communities want it too.
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I know right. It's their culture, and they refuse to change, so they are going to continually have these problems.
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I understand how you feel, but still it's morally wrong. I feel neutral but others are going to argue that these are still people, the same of our species; just because they fuck and give birth a lot doesn't mean that we should let them die.

So... normal, I guess. I mean, kids in Africa are starving all the fucking time and everybody is going to blame or make people who make a living feel bad about themselves.
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dude, amen. i love this. people say im heartless for thinking this way, but i totally agree.
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OK firstly, I'm from South Africa. But I still agree with you. You'll find that a women living in a shack, she doesn't have a job, has no running water or food or anything like that; has at least eight children. Why? Because she's selfish.

Out of the eight kids she has, only six would make it past their fifth birthday. Out of those six, only four would make it to adulthood. What's so selfish about that? Easy: by the time you have a paying job and a family of your own, you're expected to return home and look after your parents. Buy em thousand rand (currency in south africa) groceries, new clothes, feed them, and it isn't really fair for that child.

Is it?
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I'm sorry but if Africa is in such bad shape.. THEY NEED TO STOP HAVING KIDS.. Because the more babies the have the more starving and hopeless lives they have. Less babies=more food=more lives saved=less money spent on their lives knowing their gonna die anyways from disease. :) it's a fact.
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I believe in independence, each country for themselves. US should only care about US. Africa should only care about Africa. But that unfortunatly isnt how it all works.

I hate the economy, the government, all this city and commercial crap, i hate how society runs nowadays.
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technically speaking "all of us" = the same people below the poverty line that you think should be shafted. we've been lucky to have been born into environments that are in the upper percentiles of the world population in terms of opportunity and financial stability.

i do agree that you definitely have an 'I don't give a crap about PC-ness' attitude. you managed to put a put a term like third-world into quotation marks and at the same time not use quotation marks at all when referring to yourself as part of a first-world country. i'm driven to think that it wasn't deliberate however, and your error in consistency stems from an intolerance at the subconscious level. as far as im concerned thats a +5 for douchebag points

dont pride yourself on hitting the birth lottery

go watch the lion king or something and learn some compassion
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SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST. Im surprised that only one person has mentioned Darwin.
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Simply put, there has to be a rebalancing of trends.

We cannot sustain an increasing global population, in africa or elsewhere, increasing resource & material consumption, and an ever improving standard of living with it.

Population must go down, standards of living must level off and resource & energy consumption must become as sustainable as possible.

The population of certain parts of Africa is only a problem because of how aid-reliant they are. There are not too many people to feed, but there's certainly too many people to feed on aid alone.

The water supplies that sustain tens of millions in the sub sahara will be gone in a few decades. Some places on this planet can only sustain the barest needs of humans. If you don't want poverty in sub saharan africa, don't live there. Mass resettlement and an enormous drive to reverse population growth are the only real solutions. And they are politically impossible and taboo because of all the stupid religion
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it's time to colonize new planets ;)
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Just a few things I'd like to contribute:
I would agree with the short on resources comments. Oh, and the world DOES have a carrying capacity for humans.

Although birth-control and general sexual education might seem like simple solutions, there are conflicts in regards to tradition and culture. The reason why people in Africa have so many children is not because they all have savage and uncontrollable sexual urges, it is because the number of children they have is perceived as their wealth. IE: Labola is still practiced in Africa, so the more daughters there are in a family=more labola.

Aside from wealth, people in Africa choose to have many children to counteract the high infant mortality rate. The parents just hope to have at least 1 child survive to take care of them when they get old.

Generally speaking, these reasons have become a tradition carved into stone. In regards to the OP's post, if these countries were to suddenly receive help to push them further demographically (or really having a higher HDI), they would still continue to have massive amounts of children for centuries because it is a cultural tradition to them. Yes,because of inevitable demographic transitions after leaving the last tier, the birthrate will eventually decrease. However, it is the time in between these transitions that the human population will skyrocket--I MEAN SKYROCKET.

Although it sounds cruel and heartless,I would have to agree with the OP and certain posters to a certain degree. Then again, there is nothing worse than seeing starving children (I have volunteered internationally and I have seen them). What pisses me off though is the cultural mentality to continue to have dozens of children and just gamble to see if one of them happens to survive. Maybe if we could help families support 1 or 2 children, less children would starve to death, they would have more food, have better opportunities, have better a physiological density, and might overall improve in terms of their HDI.

Just some thoughts though--that's all.
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Technology + Renewable Energy + Just don't use so much will allow Third World Countries to have the same standard of living as us.

But the first step is to help and educate people in Africa to stop overpopulating.

The second step is to tone down our consumtion of resources and carbon emission.

This is going to be really hard to do but I think it will be possible.
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Firstly this is the most insightful post I've read on IIN I don't agree with many things that the OP has said but I do agree with one specific area and its birth control in Africa for the life of me I do not understand where those people get the energy to have sex if they are starving and thirsty its mind boggling how can you have sex when you haven't eaten all day when you have kids starving and looking to you to provide them with a bowl of porridge or rice if Africans had put as much effort into finding a job as much as they do for sex they would be much better off their behavior is disgusting can't they control themselves my god its madness ! They are acting like mindless animals that mate they don't know why they do it they just do it its instincts. With all the diseases and Aids in Africa why doesn't the government make it mandatory that the men have vasectomy can't they introduce a law specifically for birth control seeing as its useless to give them condoms as they will not use it its useless to give the women the pills as they will not take it there must be a solution to their excessive breeding and the comments above stating why Africans breed as much as they do makes no sense if it is tradition that you 6 kids you know you cannot afford 6 kids you can't even afford 1 would you not break tradition and realize that its a sin to birth innocent babies into a life of extreme poverty they simply don't give a shit and even when they are emaciated and weak they are always up for a bit of shagging
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I agree. They get money from other countries and then spend it on weapons for their army. If they deserved help, they would try to do something to change it themselves. I don't give a fuck if they all die, it's their own god damn fault. I never give to starving african children charities, I honestly think it's all a load of bullshit. How about they stop breeding like rabbits? These starving africans obviously have no common sense.
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No it's not normal. You are a insensitive prick. Those people in Africa are suffering and need help. Just like other people do around the world. -___-
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You're absolutely right! I will tell you where people need the most help, southern Somalia.
I think it would be wonderful if you went there and helped those poor people.
One better, I would like everyone who reads this post to take up a collection to pay all travelling expenses for Yummy Ree and to assist in expediting her travel arrangements,
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Haha! Thank you I would like that very much to help those people. :)
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They need to learn to help themselves!
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It amuses me how stupid people on here are.
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Agreed. We should be helping people in our country, not wasting our money on an infected dying breed of humans in other countries.
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I don't mind if the kids die over there either. You know why? Cuz their parents are fucking stupid! If you are that god damn poor stop having kids! Use a freaking condom! They have been around for more than 2,000 years. If you can't afford one go old school and use a pigs stomach or whatever they use to use. If you can't do that than don't have sex at all or just stick to oral and anal.
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so you want to punish the kids because of the parents having them?? It's not the kids fault! So why starv them!?
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i keep hearing shit about how whites owe blacks for slavery
and how i must suffer for what my fore fathers have done
the mistakes they have made
so using the logic of the black foot soldiers
yes the starving little kids should suffer for the mistakes of their parents
equality is a bitch
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You obviously have notr felt the pain of hunger, of human suffering, and, based on the way you write, your choices of words, I would say you are an an educated person. You are very lucky and should be grateful for such an opportunity in life.

It is easy to contemplate the picture you paint with your story from the comfort of your chair, using a computer, and knowing that when you feel hungry you can easily drive to the closest Drive-Thru and get a burger and fries.

But remember...

There are people who want to eat more meals in a day. However, there are those who just want to be able to eat.
There are people who want a new pair of shoes.
However, there are those who just want to have feet and be able to walk.
There are people who want things that are superfluous to them.
However, there are those who only want to have the necessary, what is sufficient to meet their needs.
There are two kinds of wisdom: the inferior wisdom, and the superior wisdom.
The inferior wisdom is given to people to the extent of their knowledge. The superior wisdom is given to the extent one is conscious that they do not know everything. There is a degree of humbleness that is necessary to be able to see the difference.

The best choice is to have this superior wisdom, as you are in constant learning in "the school of life", as they say in my country.

Superior wisdom has tolerance; the inferior one passes judgment.
The superior alleviates the suffering; the inferior condemns it.
Learn how to listen to everything in life. There are things only the HEART is able to talk about to those who KNOW HOW to listen.
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I like the way you think.
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Ur a selfish bastard.
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Survival of the fittest DOES apply here. Perhaps you should reread my post, you seem to have other issues that mean nothing to me. Oh, do you know what a "bastard" is? Spew on! But please do not reproduce, spare the world the damage.
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we are all part of one race .. the human one.. nationalistic ideals have blinded u from that..
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Humans are a virus, a cancer of this planet. - The Matrix

Natural selection? Karmic resonance on a global scale? We are the only species who isn't procreating just to ensure our species survives. We're over-procreating, causing a completely opposite effect.

Until the ENTIRE world stops pumping out baby after baby that we can't support, I say let nature take its course.

To the author, I think this line of thinking is more common that you know, and I think the majority of the people here in their righteousness, don't bother to consider a greater good.

The fact is, this planet cannot support its human population at the current rate of growth.

To crimson: who said anything about aids or cancer, I looked, couldn't find it.. no one said cancer and aids patients are any more valuable than starving children. However, I say let them work it out themselves. If they can't.... well no one ever said life didn't suck, maybe death will be better for them.

Point is most of you who disagree are pulling your opinions from your emotions, what others expect, and the brainwashing they been doing to you since birth. The planet is overpopulated. The planet is sick. The planet will NOT die, it will correct itself by killing us. Its awfully egotistical of you to think we are above that.
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If you are so convinced that humans are a virus, then that includes YOU, so you are a virus, and lets put an end to that filth.


So when are you planning on committing suicide to contribute to the greater good? Put your theories to PRACTICE and end YOUR life.

Oh wait, this suddenly doesnt apply to you anymore?


Furthermore, you speak so bluntly about simply letting diseased people die, but i guarantee you would dare not have this thought the day someone in your family or someone you love is diagnosed with a chronic disease, would you tell them this? no you would not.


IN THEORY it is so easy for you to pretend you are a blunt emotionless person, but you are not. You are human YOU ARE NOT EXEMPT FROM EMOTION, it is a strong conscious and unconscious drive, and for you to think otherwise is extremely egotistic of you.



This all sums up to "Kill them and their families, but don't kill me or my family" hypocrisy.
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normal. I really get annoyed because of all the nagging about "the poor kids in africa" like its our fault. Many countries in africa are oppressing countries that have a lot of money, but it all goes to the rich. Donating doesnt help either, cause the money allways gets fed to the rich again. And what the hell is giving them a little food gonna do in the long run? its gonna delay their death! so stop nagging and kill those rich bastards, or at least put the poor out of their misery!
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Yeah. Fuck 'em.
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I can understand being concerned about overpopulation...but wanting other people in poverty to die is not the healthy approach to the problem. Nowhere in your post (or anyone else's, for that matter), did I see the idea that WE should change our lifestyle and habits to address the environmental destruction happening. WE should reduce our population voluntarily (ie, adopting, not having more than 2 kids, not using invitro fertilization!!). This should happen not because we don't want anyone else around the world to have our resources, but because it is completely necessary and overdue.
And of course, the rest of the world needs to follow suit; there's lots of family planning initiatives happening in the developing world and many women want to have access to them. But its not always that simple - sexual assault, male/family expectations about family size, lack of health care, and the traditional reasons to have many kids to support the family in an agrarian society. It's also a little problematic to imply the 3rd world bears all responsibility to fix overpopulation, considering the role the 1st had (and continues to have) in producing their poverty.
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i get where your coming from and i was having a conversation with my friend about this today and i was saying like 10,000 years ago when people were hunter-gatherers it was important to save these people and try and have many children as lots of people would die from hunger animals etc. Where as now people are still having many children and there is no need its just a strain on the worlds resources i dont want to sound awful but there is no need to have 4 kids or save people that are going to die anyway because when you think about it if there was a child in africa you wanted to help and feed then one meal wouldnt be enough and when people say i want to help all the dying children in africa they are never gonna do it as there is not enough resources. so basically i am saying it is quite normal as you are just being honest and saying that you cant fix every thing and save everyone as that is just the way nature works it's like a natural population control
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this may sound somewhat like a final solution kind of plan but since darwin. thre has been the thought of the survival of the fittest. being born into poverty isnt the issue nor is it the genocide of African children. in my personal opinion all retards morons and overweights that require more aid then productivity shouldn't be here

a counterpoint to that is that evolution spans from different divisions of people. so that retard i deem necissary for death. could end up being stevn hawking or another evolution that could develop flight.

but the modern age wants to promote equality of all people when americans are beyond ignorant until the see a commercial with a starving african kid they wont give a second thought to him but rather plan on buying a new tv or getting drunk rather then feeding and letting others live. the reason is that it isnt benificial to the person to help that random kid. nor is it profitable for the larger coperation or movie star to support african kids unless they get something out of it.
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pfffffff hell yea who cares of africa?those creatures are like 545355000000 years behind us let them die
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I thought I was mean
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I believe i social Darwinism, and feel that their survival is up to them.
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Adolf_Hitler
Wait... Sometimes?
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You're worried about overpopulation but the reason they have so many kids is because of the lack of birth control/ sex education. Sexual healthcare comes along with medical progress. Also, in a place where you can't be sure if your child will survive, you have more to better the chances that your line will be carried on. If it was pretty much guaranteed that their children would survive like it is in the USA, they wouldn't need to have so many. So 'worrying about overcrowding/population strain' is not a valid concern.
Also, these people would definitely appreciate what they were given more than we do. I doubt they would be as slovenly and wasteful as we 'advanced' people are.
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It's logical, why would you care about someone else when you aren't being taken care of. America needs to work on itself. A lot of things here are out of place. Particularly hating your own people, but pretending to care about the other countries.
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R u kidding me?? united states it's in great shape and all the buisness they take care of is making sure that other countryes don't get to be so..
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HAHAHAH USA is in it's greatest shape?WHAT year are you in -_-
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yea, i believe this entry is irresponsible, it's level of normality aside.

the only thing I can say is that I feel bad kids (and adults) in Africa, and in many other impoverished nations, have to suffer daily. that is tragic. but to say their absence from the planet would better its health by cutting back on the demand for resources is shocking. you are neglecting to mention the human side to it. you cannot justify genocide, whether to reduce suffering or to help the remaining herd.
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It isn't normal, I think you are selfish and a bit awful. you shouldnt wish that :(
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I think it's being cruel to be kind. I think you're selfish to just cave in on your own emotions, rather than let the Africans sort out their problems themselves.
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When we help people to live and they never better themselves it will end in a greater disaster than if we just left them alone to survive on what they can by themselves, examples are Katrina and Haiti, Haiti is overpopulated because international food groups keep sending them food. this tells me they have far too many people
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so what are you saying? that haiti is overpopulated cause we feed them and don't let them die? the cure for overpopulation is death now?? when we help people in such disastrous sates, we don't make things worse, in fact we make little diference at all.. it may be kind of pointless to help, but it's not bad
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Political correctness is a relative term. To a Eugenicist o a social darwinist, what you would say would, very much, be the party line. I think people, who are already alive, shouldn't have to suffer. We are all brothers, and we have the same existential fears and hopes. The focus should be on providing sexual education and protection in African countries to reduce population growth, not letting people already alive suffer and die. Really, everyone around the world should voluntarily have less children. I don't think competition is going to lead to a more advanced future for humanity, now that we have nuclear weapons.
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you are so selfish they are kids, how would you of liked to starv to death as a kid. YOU ARE SICK IN THE HEAD !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Yeah i think simillar way there is no point of there exsistance..all thought it's not there falt that they are send there ,but seriuosly they should stop fu**ing so much...they don't have what to eat but they still fu** like rabbits..they will never be happy if they will not stop that
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i believe you are the sickest, most obnoxious, psychotic person on planet earth for saying that.
My advice:
YOU BETTER CHECK YOURSELF, BEFORE YOU WRECK YOURSELF.
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Hmmmmmmm.... UM FUCK YOU.
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And what the fuck about population?its not over crowed,that's BS..they just want you to think tht so you don't have kids. HAVE kids... and the I hate the us ..we do shit to help them. Because they want them to die .we need to help them. But ppl don't have souls anymore FUCK U
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Listen up logically this world is harsh and people has been brought up to be self centered unrighteous beings who have to work for their own living. But needless not to say if hell is real you do know every leader or person who control this world burns in hell. They're murderers in reality by not helping the poor. If I had all of their lives at my hands I would crush all their lives out of them no mercy. They never will help the poor so eye for an eye as I speak death is what they should have no better. It's not insane what I say because garbage morals, values that run this world don't sustain life but destroy it.
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I get annoyed that people specifically refer about poor kids in Africa, I mean hello there's poverty all around the world.
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You sir are the very definition of western society. Total lack of morals. All you care about is your own country's wealth and your own happiness to the extent where you want the most innocent of all people to die: children! I think the best thing to do is for everyone to live on the wild where we belong. There would be no more politics, no poverty, no pollution, no war and everyone would be at peace.
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Your a very sick person!!! no one deserves that, would you like to starve to death as a child!!! the world has to work together create a solution because the truth is!!! being the white mans fault being greedy and evil and taking advantage of a kind race and teaching us hate and violence!!! imagine what Africa would be like without a white man coming in his ships with his guns and Bigot attitude!!!
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People like you disgust me.

Do you really think you are so much better than those in the third world that only those few fortunate are entitled to a good standard of living and those who are living in poverty should die? It would probably be better for the world if everyone in the developed world keeled over because we are the ones using a disgusting amount of resources... more resources than the world can sustain even if there was only a billion of us.

Would you agree with any of your statements if you were the starving African child? No. You would have as much right to live and prosper as anyone in the developed world. Perhaps you should look more into how those in the first world are creating an extraordinary amount of harm to the environment and sometime making life of those in the third world even harder by exploiting their resources and their labor. Maybe then you would realize that you are no better than the unfortunate and after saying things like that I think you have less right to the amazing standard of living you are experiencing. You live where you do today because of chance, not because you were extraordinary in a previous life, not because you made great decisions as a toddler. Chance. You were just one of the lucky ones….
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I agree. The ideal would be that people stopped having so many kids, but in the meantime I'll take the next best thing: premature deaths.
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I can't believe this is considered 61% normal. This is totally messed UP.
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That's disgusting.
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This old earth cannot support too many more humans. We are destroying our own and animal habitat.
If third world women and men would stop having so many babies the rest of us could share in what will be here 100 years from now.
Africa as a continent does little to insure our survival or to discover/ invent means of reducing human suffering. It only contributes to it.
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son of a bitch
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I think it is immoral that if you live on a third world nation to have another baby when you already have 5 other children that are already starving and are probably going to either die or become disabled for life due to lack of food. i know they dont have contraception but the males should learn to masturbate or become gay and stop mating with females and having babies in an area that cant support human life.
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lol i just think they should die. its for the greater good. after all its better to die than live in pain 24/7 with no food. if my pets were like that id have them put down.
i dont mean to be horibble by that its just what i think
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If your pets were hungry you'd kill them instead of feeding them? I really hope you don't have pets...
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If you want to decrease pollution then it would make sense to want the greatest polluters to die, that would be most effective. If you want to save the planet it would be more effective if you shot yourself and leave the kids who currently have a much smaller carbon foot-print.

Take out the people who are already the problem rather than people who hypothetically *might* become a problem.

Incidentally global warming is total bull shit invented by some pretend scientists so they can get grants for continuing to sit behind desks, so you don't need to shoot yourself and African kids don't need to die to reduce carbon emissions. Anthropomorphic climate change is a hoax.
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@mieoux

Global warming is a reality.
Global warming sceptics like mieoux need to have an excuse so they can keep on consuming and trashing the earth conscience free all the while adding to the problem and doing sweet FA to fix it.
Global warming scepticism is BULLSHIT.
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That's bullshit.

Global warming is happening with or without the aid of people. However, the more warming = more evaporation = more clouds = cooling, because high clouds (which there are way more of than low clouds) will reflect sunlight thus cooling the earth. Also, we're coming out of an ice age, according to geological time.

That aside. I don't believe that we should pollute the earth and be wasteful, regardless of how I feel about "global warming." I use green products simply because it's better than products that pollute. Do I believe that this will make a difference for the temperature of Earth? No. I do however believe that it might make some difference in pollution.
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Some of you people are letting your religious sentimentality get in the way of your ability to think rationally. The world has real problems that have to be solved by people with limited options, no matter how many good intentions they start out with. There's people starving right here in our hemisphere, in North and South America. Let's start locally before we go all the way to the African continent to solve their problems. If you feel some guilt about Africa's colonial past, don't! That was many, many years ago. Of course it's normal to think this way. My suggestion: You want food and medical treatment? Agree to sterilization. You've proven that you can't control your own sexual urges in a responsible way, so you will now be handled in the same way as any other animal- you will be neutered!
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been to africa, truthfully didnt see one african working, seen alot of white people not workin , but africans take it to a new level. i work with black people and the majority of africans are lazy. fuck'em there problem not ours.
ps. im not rascist. just joking i clearly am.
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That is sick. To want particularly african children to die just because u are soooo selfish is wrong. U sound to me like a RACIST SOB...
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You guys are assholes.
Selfish pricks.
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Of course this is normal where you come from. Who you've been raised by. No compassion for those who do not resemble you.

Is it normal to a person who is worthy of living? No. This is not normal for those who should be on this planet. Too bad such time was wasted on you.
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Wow! I can't even believe human beings are capable of being so evil. I mean you just said you want CHILDREN ... Innocent children to die an awful death! You deserve everything you got coming to you, and I can assure you, it wont be anything good!
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dud that is the most selfish thing I have ever heard.
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I'm with you on this, and have a faultless plan on how to acheive such a blissful state of being.

If we target all funding from every charity into a single town, the said town will rise in power and wealth whilst the others descend into worse levels of poverty and starvation. This will lead to civil war. The Africans will kill each other without any direct foreign instigation, and the land will slowly be rid of them. The western civilization will then claim the continent, with a city ready to move into. This will prevent over population, and give new opportunities to those who have more aspirations than getting AIDs. The bodies will then be used for soap, and fuel.

Slowly over time it will be possible to create a steady economy and build Africa from scratch.

Anyone against this idea is a self destructive moron who wishes to see AID's, famine, starvations and heanous levels of poverty continue to consume a country.
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Global warming is a very extreme situation, we are the ones creating it so it makes sense, to not want there to be loads more of us, but it does seem very harsh picking out the innocent, impoverished, African children.

I use to think global warming was so important but its not, it%%u2019s simple we ether sort it out and carry on, or we don%%u2019t and it%%u2019s good night for humans. I am quite happy with this prospect ether way, I still have this amazing gift of life. if we do start to sort it out then I will gladly be a part.

But if we don%%u2019t, then the earth without us will go back to being a natural eco system (which is a good thing) and its possible that my life may be harder towards the end because of global warming but hey that%%u2019s life, lifes to short to worry.

I think the best thing anyone can do in sight of global warming, if it%%u2019s not too late, is not to have kids. Then no one would be *******.

Another good way to look at global warming is that its an environment we have created through our own success and know we ether adapt to the environment or we lose but be sure life the universe and everything will carry on no matter what.

Hopefully you see my reasoning and that is some help.
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We use too much energy. There are ways to live in the world without using the amount of energy we use and other countries know that. Third world countries have people worried about shelter and water and basic needs, I'm sure they are not concerned about charging their cell phones just yet.

I can tell you global warming is not extreme and I'm a democrat. If you read the news, you would know that scientists fibbed on the figures purposely in order to create a hot-button issue for the democrats. For example, the icebergs could be melting by .0010%% every year, but they went and moved the decimal to say they're melting .01%% or even 10%% per year. Also this year has been the coldest winter over all since the 80's...just putting it out there.

That's all I will say because there are plenty of other comments on here that have said what I would like to say.
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Global warming was proven a fraud!!! Just made up by algore and his team of hackers!! look it up..it has leaked out everywhere that global warming is just a pile of shit!!! LOL algore also said he invented the internet too haha what a multi tasker!!!
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Your a sick bastard! You want children to die? Pollution can be solved easily in many cheap ways! Also, that's why we have alternative power sources! We are trying to turn those third-world countries into first-world countries so thay can have better living conditions, more food, and better medical care! You need to learn to be kind to the less fortunate, and to stop worrying about pollution and power consuption of first-world countries, because it can be easily solved!
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The children are dying anyway. I hate to see children suffer and eventually they will die if not fed. How can you be so selfish to see a child suffer?
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Well first of all I hate the therm "third world" because we are ONE world.

You just don't understand it. Think about it: We only consume so much, we only waste so much because we have it and others don't. If every country in the world had equal supplies, we would only be using what we have. I don't think we would be wasting as much as we do now because there just wouldn't be the possibility of it. If the entire world was equal everyone would just use what the need.
That's a simple scientific human fact.
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Why do people need to have so many babies? I can't stand it when you have a kid even though you can't take care of yourself...

Anyways, why should they die? What's with the third world s***? They are all people just like us and probably better people then you. I see what you mean, your intentions seem good but to hope that children die is wrong.
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What a strange issue.

But the thing is, a handful of people that don't live in poverty think of slum children and adults as "not their problem" - but, with barely any help, the numbers could majorly increase. If I were a government member there, I would build medium sized neighborhoods for the slum people with clean houses, running water, toilets, and a closet full of clean clothing. I would also plant trees and flowers so those people could have fresh, clean air to breathe and even dig out some ponds and rivers that flow through the neighborhoods. That would be a great idea. : )
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I don't care if they die, and there are way to many coments
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Just think if you was one of those people over there asshole....wouldn't nobody wants you starving to death. People like me will try to go out their way to help you. For Gods sakes there are children over there.
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I've always wondered how many starving kids that American money has saved has grown to adulthood and been requited to join Al-queda or become some other anti-american assholes. One of them is sure to be the creator of the Nigerian e-mail scam.

Deep down, I say fuck 'em! Lets' take care of our own before trying to save the world.
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what if it was the other way around.. would u want them to say oh fuckem .. lets take care of our own.. while u die from starvation... u prick.. be grateful for what u have.. and share it with others.. thats part of being human.... btw.. u come across as an extreme nationalist.. u really believe the american people are all the same.. their are bad people everywhere.. the third world has many types of people.. just like the west.. asshole
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Well said
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You Americans just can't get it into your 200lb heads that you are not the centre of the world, not all people who are different to you are terrorists and there are people in the world that have harder lives than you: OMG facebook is down, I'm the most persecuted person in the history of mankind.
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Sir You americans have more then enough its the fattest country in the world you make me very ill!!! i feel sorry for you enjoy your miserable life
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I will not discuss the morality of if these children should survive or not. Rather, I will just inform people of a few facts.


According to the UNICEF about 25,000 children die per day.

That's 1 child every 3.5 seconds that dies.






Today there is new methods to conserve and produce non-depleting resources.

Vertical farming- A new method of farming where tall skyscrapers are used to make farms. (The first vertical farm has been created in Europe.)

On each floor is a farm (With hydrophonic farming techniques used to create synthetic sunlight to grow the produce.)

Vertical farming will eliminate building across large spaces of land (hence the name.) In addition, vertical farming will decrease use of large land areas, provide farming in densely populated urban cities, and in addition for 3rd world countries (such as Africa) where the climate is horrible for farming, to create food where normally there would not be.

-There are now cars that run off of hydrogen and cause zero emission.

I could go on and on about all the different tools we have to eliminate world hunger and provide proper population control if people took the time to educate 3rd world countries rather then treat them less then human.

However because of people that think like the original poster of this topic, we have a long way to go. If everyone thought like that, we'd still be living in the dark ages.
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sometimes wish they would starve americans... :)
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They couldn't go a day without KFC
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greed is eating the world inside out. government shouldnt exist. just a mutual border of life and death. resources will not run out. they will fight back.
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you're answer isn't "politically incorrect," it's just awful.

Have you ever thought: maybe the people in first world countries deserve to perish? THat way, we would use little resources!

It's a sad truth that people in industrialized countries use far more resources than is possible.

By the way, people tend to ignore the plight of people in Africa because of racism. Usually people don't care about problems in Africa because the people in Africa are black.

Do you REALLY not care about black poor people? I think that, deep down, you're not such a horrible person.
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The human population needs to decrease one way or another.
If humans became extremely overpopulated, people would soon turn to cannibalism. That'd be MUCH worse than a few poor countries starving.
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Te earth has more than enough space for us to expand?! ARE YOU NUTS?!

We're running out of rescources faster than you can say "I'm hungry" and it's simply because there are too many people using too much. Everyone should know this by now.
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@: fjlj480
There is not plenty of room to expand. According to best estimates In twenty years there will not be enough food to feed the world's population even if it was distributed evenly (which it isn't) They should put drugs which cause permanent sterilisation in food aid to third world countries. Then the people wouldn't starve but they also wouldn't be able to overpopulate the world with children which they couldn't afford to feed.
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@: fjlj480
Why would you ever comment on somebodys submition to bash them? ..your really cool..
if somebody wants to share there opinion then they can.. it was never said that starving kids in Africa should die. it was said that it would be easier. and it would. it would be much easier on the world.
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woooooooooow. i saw a commercial about a kid named alex that lives with his lil brother and the live in africa with barely enough to eat,there parents died when i watched it for the first time i cryed. i just felt so bad!
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no that isnt normal at all!!!!! u want kids to die??? i dnt knw u but i can tell u r a selfish person , who cares if we dnt have as nice things as we want, this is the bad thing abt america, we r spoiled as a whole, ppl r makeing their wants needs, instead of buying a new convertable get a jeep and donate the rest to help those kids, those kids r dying and going to hell becasue ppl wont get off their lazy butts and go over there and help them, instead they want to sit at home and watch the football can on a flatscreen tv tht once again isnt a nedd its a want!so n othat isnt normal its the most selfish thing ive ever heard and if i wre u i would be embarrassed to post tht for everyone to see!
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Me too, its better they die than to bare all this suffering all their life.
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i agree with you
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Perhaps instead of us living lavish lives of nonsense characterized by overpopulation and conspicuous consumption, and people in the third world living in abject poverty as a result of the Western European colonial legacy, maybe everyone could just live a simple but fulfilling life with clean air, clean water, shelter, and lots of organic crops.
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Who cares about third world anyway? All they do is just constantly ask for help and our hard-earned money. They should just be left by themselves: if they bother to move their lazy asses and get to work they might survive; if not, it wouldn't be a big deal anyway.
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wow u r such an idiot and u don't know anything!! first of all they don't ask for help people offer it to tham and it's not that they r lazy it's the fact that it's really hard to take an extremely poor country and make it work well specially with an unexistent goverment
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Instead of thinking THEM not to survive, shouldn't you be thinking YOU stop polluting the environment? You are such a SELFISH PRICK....
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Black people are worthless
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As someone who has lived in Africa my whole life I have one thing to say to you. Fuck You. When you lazy white men didn't want to build your roads we built them. When you didn't want to plant your own plaints we did them for you. When you didn't want to do anything with you lives we were there for your entertainment free to kick around as you like. I say STFU an get you ass off your chair and go stop something bad from happening..
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Oh please. You had it better here in the States and you know it. You sure you want to go back to your African roots? Live in the Congo where they rape women in order to have successful battles. Live in Liberia where they care so little for their land that they shit on the beaches.

It's something about the African mindset. If you have a bunch of white people living in a small place, you have a nice little town. If you have a bunch of black people living in a small place, you have a crime-ridden ghetto.
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What do you mean go back? I still live in Africa. Yes, I know some things are wrong in this continent and I don't object to that. But yet you still say that there's something wrong with MY mindset. Your country steals from my continent, both our people AND our resources. And FYI, I live in a hostel with about 24 other Africans........................ no one gets into fights.
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No, this is not normal, it is selfish and you are awful.
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of course its normal good to care about people and children around the world your a good person
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What you're saying makes sense in a way, but your solution is on the wrong side of the issue.

The fact is, that in order for people like us to live in such luxury and consume as many resources as we do, others in the world must suffer. It is impossible for everyone to enjoy our standard of living, there simply aren't enough resources on the planet to support it. If we really want everyone to have equal status, we must first make our own sacrifices. And we're so used to being spoiled that I doubt that's going to happen. So poverty, starvation, sweat shops, and suffering in general will continue to exist until we the priviledged few are willing to consume less.

Or we could go with your idea and hope lots of poor people die. But an epidemic that targets both the rich and poor would be more fair, don't you think?
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and also it just snowed where im at in texas lol global warming is kickin in hardcore now!!! IN TEXAS!!!!!! SOUTH TEXAS FOR THAT MATTER!!! lol global warming...
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Idiot always want to point the finger of blame on Global Warming and try to dismiss it. Fact is who cares what is causing it...the point is that the earths climate is changing. History has shown that the climate CAN and DOES change drastically. So the REAL issue is can/will humans survive the next coming climate change?

Meanwhile, the house is burning down in winter and Joe is blaming Sam because Joe smells smoke. Sam says how could the house be burning...its cold as heck in here. While they argue they are likely to die because they were so caught up in blaming that they forgot to save themselves.
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I see your point of view, understand, and accept where you're coming from. Your reasoning isn't irrational and it makes sense. I, however, do not agree 100%% with it. No matter what, I do believe everyone should be able to have a fighting chance at life. I do agree that it would put even more strain on us if the population suddenly rocketed up because mothers in third-world countries could suddenly care for their children. I don't think there is no "right side" to this argument, so I am comfortably on both sides and see both opinions.
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I won't say consider your self as if you were one of those children because im no better, im coming from an Developed country as well, about the pollution and stuff a good example is China - India developed in latest years, now china producing more CO2 than any other country, i've heard that they used Green color spray that decompose ozon layer to paint a whole mountain that got burned because it was close to an olympic stadium by the time they did the Olympic games, my point is that as developed countries we must stop realy on fossil fuels or any others things that is bad for enviroment and give a the good example, now imagine that the clean water is getting less every day all over the world, Israel attack Syria years ago to get a hold of a hill that a river has it source and Turkey wanted to make a dam on the rivers that run all over the Arabia just to get more water to support the population, in my country water worth more than milk if that says something... so our future isn't brighter than the ones you dont want to develop
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Hi troll :)
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i see ur point i dont want them to live and to suffer but i want them to live because they have every right like us :L CONFUSING EH?
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This is totally unrelated but some of these people wrote really long comments.
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herewegoagain
rofl
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Well spoken, but it's still a controversial issue. There's the common sense, with the environment and whatnot. But then there is the moral sense, with all the lives being lost and all the pain and torment. Personally I wouldn't really want to live in a world where the people who were considered lesser would just be destined to die. Like chickens in the slaughterhouse they live with no purpose but to die just for our cause. Can you seriously go on living normally while thinking about all these people dying?
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I'm figuring your life is pretty good if you're thinking stuff like this. My advice is watch the film Platoon, although that's my answer to everything. :/
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Wait what?
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ehhh its a topic.
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I think people should stop killing the Earth :P So in a sense, I agree with you but I don't think they should die so horribly. .No animal should . .but thats life, oh well
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What if you changed the words and instead of african children it was prisoners who had commited violent acts upon other human beings?

All species will over produce in the hope that some will survive. As humans we have the luxury of being able to keep people alive for longer. If the third world countries had the technology we did then they would have that luxury too. It's a shame that their goverments are corrupt in some cases and the money does not go to the people.

In addition to that someone has to die? Natural selection. It is unfair. we cannot produce enough food to sustain the world's population at the rate it is growing. Steriliation of people who are 'lazy', on benefits is an option. The actholic church does not allow the promotion of condoms in Africa. We are exposing these children to aids regardless of the poverty they are born into.

There are so many factors that are connected, it is hard to seperate. Could it be solved by with allowing Euthanasia in countries like the UK? People who's lives are prolonged unnecessairily.

I disagree with a lot of the comments that are narrow minded on here and just see the words 'kids' and 'die' in the same sentence. Yes it is horrible that children in third world countries die when the medicine is available to prevent it, but in 20 years time when your kids can't get enough food/medicine because there are too many mouths to feed will you change your tune? Look at examples provided by nature, only a certain amount will survive, that's life.
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what you are saying it's perfectly normal and logical.. but it's a little selfish.. i mean why should they be the ones sacrified so that WE could live in a sligthly less poluted world?? when WE are the ones who poluted it.. and anyway the fact that they survive doesn't mean bthat they are going to get the tecnology we have and generate as much pulotion.. in fact it's hard for them to even feed themeselves i think they are a long way from reaching our leves of pulution..
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Some people on here are just sick and immature. You guys forgot one detail. Yes, it would change the environment. Yes, we would live differently. But yes, it would make African people happier. We poluted this world you know, not them. Why should they continue to suffer while we throw trash everywhere? Think about what we have, and soon it's going to be destroyed. Maybe speeding up the process and letting the world see what a destroyed world would be like, would make people ACT on it instead of just talking about it and how they'll fix it.

Everyone deserves a chance, they haven't had theirs yet.
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and if u think about it they really wouldn't change the enviorment in a near future it would take them ages to get tecnologically evolved enough to make a difference on the pollution we have..
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GiiGii
i definitely feel that way too!
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It's mean-spirited, but I do see the logic behind this thinking. I despair of these people who say that the Earth still has plenty of room for people to expand. What, because we actually still have some nature left, that means we should develop it? It's people who think like this who should not survive.

But it's not just Africa. People EVERYWHERE must start to limit their numbers. Unfortunately, I think basic, raw, primitive urges to reproduce will always trump intelligent common sense. So, yeah, people won't stop until our numbers hit a trillion and disaster is imminent.
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Why would you care about people half way around the world anyway? We are all going to eventually use up our natural resources.We would be the major contributor to that but poor people STARVING while your lard azz is stuffin your face with Micky D's !!! Come on get a life !Intill you actually live a day in there life you will never understand.Imagine going to find a job and there is none.What would you do? How would you support your family? I do feel there is a problem in Africa.I think there should be more clinics offering birth cotrol perhaps. Make it a norm to have family planning.That could lower the amount of children being born to irresponsible parents unable to care for there children. That is a better solution.You are no better or more privelaged to get access to resources then a person living in squaler. We are all human !!
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You make sense, but why can't society share resources equally. If we all lived with just enough resources to get us by in life then that will decrease the amount of pollution there could possibly be. I'm sure there must be a way to live healthy and not cause pollution but as the 1st world countries it is very unlikely. Plus those who are rich and have acess to all the resources will use it up as much as they like anyway on their rubbish whilst it could save anothers life elsewhere by perhaps providing electricity at a hospital.

In 3rd world countries they live simply and all they really need are the 5 nececites, food water education shelter and im sure there is one more. If we as the 1st world countries, provide this to them then there wouldnt be such high infant mortality rater. But this is the way the world is and well there is not much we can do about it, as whoever is inventing high tech technology to stop before we pollute our planet to death.
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sure the argument IS logic, but its still kind of mean to want them dead...of course I understand that we cant really help them in any way that matters rigth now, but maybe the help thats given to africa should be face from a differen angle, like narbour harbour siad, help them maintani 1 or 2 kids per family, or maybe even taking care of the old ones so they dont have to worry about having a lot of children just to see if one survivdes.. of course theres a cultural thing involved so we cant just consider them idiots for how they act..
combatgal856: you talk about providing those necesities like if it was a pice of cake, which is not, its almost imposible! and society cant share resources equally because I dont think there would be enough for feeding everyone, and to keep making money in the future (it does take money to make money)and besides, what would be the criteria? i mean there arent enough jobs for everyone, so how does it work? some work their asses of but everyone gets the same reward? thats comunism and let me tell you, it sucks!
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good points. and ya u right dude
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"You will see that Africa has the Highest growth rate of people in the world. So although they are dieing like rats, they are multiplying like rabbits.

As things become tougher around the world, I would think their ability to survive under the harshest conditions will probably make them prevail over people in the more 'spoiled' countries."

-DiscoDuck
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If the world was ALL using the resources we would survive if less people used resources we would also survive.Africa or any other poor country isn't going to get rich in 2 days,with time everything falls into place. IF 200 years from now the whole world used resources then it will just all fall into place. We won't suddenly find ourselves short or poor.Not the best at explaining but basically it'll be, that's very selfish to want for yourself and not for others. You have a roof some people don't and theres nothing wrong with helping them,were all in this together in a way...
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should teach people of birth control..they should think about what would happen to their babies.. they will just starve and not have education etc. it would be fine if they just have 2 children.
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The western world should stop funding the madness in Africa. Subsidies to the governments go to buy weapons so that they can remain in power. They are all too primitive to live in societies. When given a chance people elect another dictator, anyone who promises free stuff wins. Let the jungle grow back and set them free in the trees. Fruits and nuts for every one. Here in the US idiots vote for the Democrats, civilized half-dictators.
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For me, i agree that no-one deserves that way of life. But it's up to the goverment to correct that, and it seems that they haven't. So what know? It's a fact that some people in the third world, especially children, die every day from disease and starvation. We, as first world citizens have an indifferent view as to what the real moral thing to do is with these situations, only to keep your views to people who really can make a difference, like the goverment of that particular country.
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Well, it's definitely not abnormal. I believe many people (secretly) think like you do.
Of course, what you're saying sounds cruel and harsh; however, what you are pointing out is merely the other side of the coin (the one most people do not dare mention in order not to sound cruel and harsh).
I would say it is a normal, but - as you said yourself - morally not acceptable point of view.
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I'm with OP.

Resources are finite and being wasted on the infinity of their poverty.

What intrigues me is why would someone in poverty would continue to have children. I think the parents are being selfish raising children in a poor environment.
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Aid in 'those' areas of Africa are intercepted by the oppressing minority to fund their tyranny. So, agreed. Best thing to do is send literature on how to farm, build fortresses and run away/hide from A**holes with guns successfully.
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I get your point, but that doesn't mean that you deserve something that they don't.
Your no better than them, think of that.
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Have you actually thought deep enough to realise that we're not living just for luxury? Do you think that by getting rid of the people in poverty-stricken countries you can make the world a better place? You mentioned morality. And that's a big part of our lives. The world will plunge into chaos if everybody loses it. I'm not a religious person whatsoever, but I believe everything exists for a reason. You're supposed to help them, not get rid of them. Scary how people think your way, that's inhuman. Think straight and stop being selfish.
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wow ur a cunt
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What would be the point of keeping them alive? If they can't support their own population then they will just get dependent on our donations, is that someway to live? Everyday the ability to live or die depends on donations. If we provide money now the population will grow and the problem will just get worst. That's why we need to teach them to fix their problems.
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Well when you put it that way.....
Lol no but I guess it's normal... Borderline. I agree with the overpopulation and use of energy, because it's a completely legit argument. But, don't you at least feel a little bad for all the suffering people in 3rd world countries, knowing all that they've been through and how horrible their lives are compared to ours??
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You're right, not everyone can have it all. However, the gap in resources is tremendous. People from North America and Europe live on so much, and our poor are rich compared to the poor in most of Africa and South America. THIS IS NOT RIGHT. And since we are talking theoreticals,ideally, this gap would close, and infant mortality, hunger, health care, etc would be closer to the same in all countries.
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*laughs* *looks around*
The war is always part of the word, there must be war to things to change, non of us wants to go, so Fate chooses for it self. People need to die faster. Or less babies must be left in the belly or not appear there at all. I am scared of death. But sometimes I think if Hitler was let's say by the religious side, a devil's Birth? He always said wile killing people that THAT was his duty, maybe it was in fact. We need another planet to live... or just make a law that says that we can have Only two Children! I have 2 brothers, I love them, but maybe only 2 children in a family would be enough. Thumbs up if the 1 or max 2 children in a family would be a good choice... but would only work in 100 years, when a old man dyes, When we dye! If we start to have all only 2 sons/daughters it may change in 100 years :/
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wow...wow...what's all this mess ...i am an African ...exactly Algerian...by the way we don't need any help from u guys ...even America suffer from starving ...i think u should care about ur problems first ...but where is the prob if u need someone need for a help ...is this ur democracy ...freedom ...haha ...plz don't make me laugh ...u always pretend that u r the best ...but we all know u r not ...at the end we all humans ...and human should help each other ...god bless the entire planet .
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I HAS AN IDEA LIEK THT.
two actually;

1) we all teach the africans how to survive in the wild.

2) we give them all contraception.
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Africa isn't the problem here, Asia is the problem as that is where the greatest density of people currently are (India and China). Those two nations alone have overpopulated the planet. Poor old Africa doesn't have a shadow next to the abject, inflated human overpopulation going on in Asia.

And no - wanting an end to human overpopulation isn't abnormal, it's being honest and doing what really best.

Nature has built in population culling and stabilizing mechanisms that humans have tried to override (all for stupid, selfish reasons). We foolishly believe that we must "save every life" when nature and biology never, ever intended this. Then we prolong people's lives artificially and to the detriment of all (especially the environment).

It's ridiculous how humans try to circumvent all the natural population controls they observe in every other species and to which we say, "Oh well, that's nature" and the gun-toting types among us even *claim* that certain species should be "hunted" (but only by humans!) because if they aren't, they will "overpopulate themselves."

Interesting how the ONLY species that really requires any control and culling is the useless Homo sapien, which as no known ecological or biological niche.

O, the irony.
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I just did a search for this topic and found this thread, I have just one thing to say here: I would be all for giving out condoms and teach birth control to the starving nations, but I am sick of condoning sexual behavior that just propagates the entire problem. It is ridiculous and I just don't get it AT ALL! It's like mothers and fathers in the US that keep having children when they KNOW they are going to pass Muscular Dystrophy to ALL their children, but they just keep having sex and having children! WHY, OH GOD TELL ME WHY in the world would you want to keep passing on a mutant gene like that so more of your children will suffer as you are doing your ownself with M.D. ?? What is up with that? I hate sex and it is the root of all evil. Look at all the issues it causes at Catholic Churches, now College Athletic Programs, Politicians, etc. I am sick to death of it. Visit your local adult book store, or in 3rd world countries, grab a tree branch... unreal..
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omg....when i first read this i was kind of shocked.you stupid f...you want poor children to die and to save your filthy rich children to live longer....i cant believe some people actually support this f***ing maniac!you are kind of trying to create a war MR!every f**ing living thing deserve to eat,drink and have fun and THAT IT! no argument and the case is closed! yes you can help those people by donating some money to a charity or you can sponsor a child. but instead of doing any of that u r talking s**t ab giving up on them. you say if all those poor children had the access to everything we have, we'll have less food and water. well what ab all the rick fucks in the world? they waste more than they consume arnt they? so why dont you just keep your evil thought inside you and shut the F up!!!!amen!!
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I think they deserve to survive but i think that we should use less energy,you no like not just little shit but we all should stop throwing food away or using car too much and we should use electrity less.
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Seriously You Dont Know If Third World Countries Should Have Everything We Have . I Literally Stopped Reading After That . They Are People Too. There Are Children , Human Beings In Third World Countries That Are Straving That Arent Safe Were They Live And You Think That They Shouldnt Have The Right To Be Free , And Safe, And Know That That Will Have A Food In There Mouth Everyday And Not Have To Wonder Where There Next Meal Will Come From . How unbelievably Selfish Can You Be . What If Your Children Where In AFrica And They Were Straving . And Dying From diseases. I Cant Imagine What Person Would Want Children To Strave And Die Because We Wouldnt Have All The Same Resources . But THEY HAVE NONE . How Could You Even Have The Nerve To Say You Dont Want Straving Children In Africa To Survive . Thats So Evil .
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I'm a good person morally and I do sustain life if I had the opportunities. But the world is controlled my filthy people that's life, the only way to stop that is everybody on the same page or many are willing to revolt against their own governments in the price of fear that their life is risked and their normal life style.
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This is how I see it, the evil or bad never learn their lesson so eradicate them or punish them, it's the only solution. Let the righteous live and the unrighteous suffer.
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What seems to be a threat is a war or to oppose, what I'm saying is definitely life threatening to the unworthy evil people. More like a challenge to defeat their comfort zone that they love to abuse.
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This probably makes me an awful person but I kinda feel like nature should just run it's course and kill who it wants.

Whether through disease or something else.
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Sadly the author is normal we have reduced society to thinking in these terms, what is best for me. AS opposed to seeing the value in lost life why not the value of all of us changing, reducing the carbon issues and the damage we have created to the planet, share our wealth and knowledge to the benefit of all people on the planet. This would be a better normal way to think.
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True, proof that mankind is a plague. we spread and kill everything in our wake, even eachother. Not like animals though, most animals kill for food. We kill for so many mediocre reasons, it makes me sick. And 7 billion is all ready too much, we don't need more.
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Anyone starving in America is just not trying hard enough. This is the land of entitled, and with all of the food banks, chruches, government programs, etc., no one should go hungry. I used to be poor and would give plasma to eat. have used a food bank before.

As far as Africa and other nations with starving children, I have no problem helping the existing children with medicine and food so they do not suffer. But breeding controls MUST be put into place. Catholic? Then no humping, period! Just like increasing taxes in this country, there must be cuts as well.

Some say it is inhuman to force people to not act on natural instincts, but is not more inhumane to bring an innocent child into a world of disease, famine, war between tribes, government corruption? The problem is that everyone thinks with emotion and no logic. This is why we have mostr of our problems in the US today. Porverty is a state of mind when you have as much opportunity as we do here. I know. I was dirt poor and now I am upper middle class. It was NOT LUCK, someone else did not do it for me, and I did not get government handouts. I busted my butt and worked towards a better future for myself. Anyone can do this too, regardless of race, gender, nationality, sexual preference, fat, skinny, ugly, etc. But people want sympathy instead of the truth. Until people wake up, we will never improve.
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I commented but it got removed as soon as I posted it
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Personally, i don't think it's fair that you think they should die, just because other countries came in and raped them of nearly all their resources and gave them diseases... and what little that is left in that country is withheld from them by their own government.

We are already over populated with the countries that aren't 'third world' and that is where we should tackle the problem. People don't need to have 5-10+ children- period.

It should be made a law that the most people can have are 3- 4 children, and all fetuses after that must be terminated. At least until we can sustain ourselves.

People who are unemployed/not intending on getting a job (in the UK we call them breeders) should only be allowed by law 1-2 children (2 being the exception if they have a twin), and no more. I mean, they can't even supports themselves, why do they even need kids?

Teenagers shouldn't be getting a tv contract (USA I'm talking about you)for being a young mum. Having kids under the age of 21/unemployed/without education should be discouraged.

I could go on, but then it'd be TL;DR
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Maybe I am a sick bastard as well. Although I did not see anyone say they wanted children to die. I just don't want to keep sending them money so more will live than the country can support. All organizations like "Feed the Children" are doing is compounding the problem FEED THE CHILDREN IN YOUR OWN COUNTRY FIRST!!!! What? You don't think there are hungry kids in our countries? Take your head out of the sand, and look around.

I think the idea behind the original post, was that these foreign countries have been supporting their population for thousands of years before any money was sent to them, let them continue to do so.

It is just like rabbits in nature. If there is a lot of food, the population grows, if the food supply lowers, the rabbits die off. So what are you going to do? Feed the rabbits too?

While you are feeding the rabbits, consider also, when the rabbit population rises, so does the coyote population. When the rabbit population falls, again, so does the coyote population. Consider this... are you going to send rabbits from other countries in to feed the coyotes?

No, you are not. You let nature take care of it as it does and maintains a balance. Feeding children that were born to die is upsetting the balance. Or were you thinking families had 8 children because they wanted large families? The large families were to ensure the race survived, knowing that 6 or 7 would not live to adulthood.

If you insist on feeding all those surplus kids, the insist on neutering them, so they don't add to the problem, or pretty soon, we'll be sending so much to keep them alive, that our charities needed at home will suffer.

I am not heartless, nor racist, I am just saying, with so much poverty and homelessness and hunger going on at home, put the resources here first, when the problems at home no longer exist, THEN you can work on foreign issues.

Seriously... You wouldn't give your next door neighbor money to feed his 6 kids, when your 2 kids were going without, would you? Try this, since I and the others are so heartless and cruel... Take ALL your money for 6 months.. every cent you bring into your household, ALL of it.. and send that overseas to feed those kids. Take your kids to the local soup kitchen to eat. Go to homeless shelters to live (since you cant pay rent). Watch your children going without, and then, go to the local library, come on here, and tell me how wrong and evil we are.
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I just wanted to add this as a response to the original poster:

"Consider, for one, the technological decadence that marks first-world countries. We produce massive amounts of pollution in our cities, with our cars and our factories. We consume huge amounts of electricity, and the fossil fuels used to create said electricity are in dwindling amounts.

Now, imagine if all of today's third-world nations had access to all of the resources we have. There would be more strain on our resources than there already is, and much more pollution."


ARE YOU NUTS? Seriously, do you actually think that children dying in another country is better than taking responsibility for the environment in your own????? Talk about irresponsible, selfish, lazy, arrogant people!!!!!

With that kind of thought process, it would probably be much better for everyone else if people like you died off. To say it is better for others to die than to be responsible in managing the environment is probably the most disgusting thing I have ever heard.

As per my previous posts, I disagree with sending aid to other countries while our own kids go homeless and hungry, and in letting 3rd world countries manage their own population / resources (such as food etc) until the population balances out, with enough resources to be self sufficient. I agree with aid in education and a hand UP to allow under developed countries to help themselves. I do not agree with pumping food into a country so that more of an already over populated economy will survive and thereby compound the problem.
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these americans just think that they have a lot of money so they should help them fat selves instead of helping the poor who are in need of help and care
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I've been to kenya.... they were all waving and treating us like royalty and all you do is say lets care for us before the rest of the world.
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Statistically, 1 in 3 african children do not appreciate this
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My question to you would be, why do you feel as though 1st world and 2nd world countries are more deserving of these resources than 3rd world countries?
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I actually want to go a bit further - we should not allow this rate of births to surge like this - too many life-saving strategies like C-sections are actually toying with Darwinism. Female pelvises are getting narrower, not to mention that those women and kids who should've died in childbirth are not dying and thus contributing to overpopulation.
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felixbelacan
isnt Africa has lots of animal? they should learn hunting if they hungry....
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Don't take it to heart. It was we Christians who created this. Long ago they had their own form of birth control. But the missionaries taught them not to use birth control and multiply. So now we have to help them. Before nature took it own course.
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all of you are mentally deranged and you ALL NEED TO DIE SOON a long slow painful death. i hope you all end up burning in hell. is it normal that i hope you all get ass raped then all of your children get ass raped in front on you!!!! i think so
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Coolio, we've got semen-covered buns for everyone. But failing that lets napalm them so they burn horrifically
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Sad Africa, your hostile plains
Bring out the worst in man
Your children are all dying
God knows who gives a damn
As the ones in need are many
The ones that care are few
Oh Africa! I feel your pain
My heart just bleeds for you

Sad Africa, you surely see
A world that does not care
Sometimes it almost seems
As if you are not there
Bad fortune ever haunts you
Good luck is overdue
Oh Africa! I feel your pain
My heart just bleeds for you

Sad Africa, when will it end
Where did it all go wrong
Your misery and starvation
Have lasted far too long
When will the world stop being blind
When will your dream come true
Oh Africa! I feel your pain
My heart just bleeds for you
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Lets not ignore the basic fact that these people choose to live in desolation and feed off the good will of neighboring countries. If I or any of you woke up one day and the land we once new was unlivable (no water, food, etc...) Well i'd pack my things and hit the road in search of greener pastures. Who in there right mind would just sit and wait hoping food and water would come back. Here's an idea, Instead of taking truckloads of food and water to impoverished regions of 3rd world countries, send busses. Give the people the option to get on or stay and starve. Take them to a predetermined location with resources necessary for survival and some people to teach them how to live off the land... Then leave them to their fate.
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This is a dick conversation . I'm far from stupid . If you have such a problem with having a soul and actually caring not only about others. Then maybe you should board a rocket and blast off . Straight to a planet where u can keep all of the fresh water ,food and "air " for yourself. Because last I checked everyone deserved a chance at a better life. They didn't choose to be born where they are. In the situations that they are in. Not to mention half of the women there get raped . With no means of medical care, they keep there child . And work hard to survive. Your selfish .. To even think like that. My opinion , you should sky rocket to the next planet and set camp there.
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I was reading some of the earlier comments and I just want to clarify a few things. Yes it seems perfectly logical that overpopulation is the problem so the simple solution would be to lower it or revert to birth control.
Well history has shown us that as the world population increases, so doesn't technological and agricultural advances increase, thus helping to feed the population. So letting children in Africa die of malnutrition isn't a good idea(logically speaking because most sane people agree that this is unethical).
In fact, "Africa has around 600 million hectares of uncultivated arable land, roughly 60 percent of the global total." http://globalpublicsquare.blogs.cnn.com/2012/11/06/how-africa-could-feed-the-world/
So Africa could possibly help feed the world so that I think is a better solution to overpopulation. It's not like we'll ever run out of room. Earth is a big place. But before it can feed the planet, it has to learn to feed it self. To do that it partly needs to have able bodied people to take the initiative and get to work. This is why we need to offer aid and assistance.
We have enough natural disasters as it is. Let nature do its job at keeping the population low.
Also I notice some people commenting on how AIDS run rampid in Africa because it's Catholic. There are many Catholic out reach groups that help in combating AIDS...look it up.
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You are damn right. Even if we did save all of them, and intergrated them into western society, who's to say they won't be criminals? Society over time breeds out the insane and overly aggressive. These people have been living in a different kind of environment where those traits help one survive. Most of the babies are probably children of rapists. Do we want these future rapists and murderers alive just because they're cute when they're young? There's a reason they don't show you the homely looking ones with small eyes and prominent brows. And most of the supposedly helpful organizations are real con artists.
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Ok let's slow down ignorant satan,
1. The children you see one your TV while you're stuffing your faces with a two piece and a biscuit, are from war-torn countries
2. Considering the fact that these areas now have the highest rape rates in the world should make you think.. "Hmm if these women live in rural villages and many rebel forces use rape as a weapon and they have limited access to medical treatment AND since hundreds of women are being raped every day. Maybe.. Just maybe they didn't choose this life for themselves or their child born from rape"
Please read up on your topics in future before you start sharing your ignorant views with the world.
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You're thinking of this from a purely economic perspective. But have some compassion. Imagine if you were the starving African child and the African child was now rich and had a computer and was typing a question like the one you typed above. No one's life is more valuable than anyone else's.
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You're reasoning makes sense but there is a very good chance industrialization of the third world would not turn out this way. The trick would be to avoid being like countries such as Chinese who's attempts to rapidly industrialize created massive air pollution problems. Because Africa is broken up into so many smaller sovereign nations the outcome probably would not be the same as China's and India's. Following the model of smaller European countries, such a Iceland which runs almost completely off of geothermal energy African countries could industrialize with minimal pollution problems. Also they could become a strong addition to the world market. As for global population industrialization of countries always includes a trend towards lowered birth rates due to family planning and increased education. A good example of that is Japan who will actually end up with negative population growth if they continue in the direction that they are.
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I like to take really long showers and thin of all the people in third world countries that could have had a drink of water but instead it just rolled off my butt and into the drain
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LemonCheese
Honestly, I do sort of agree with you. I mean, there are so many adverts on TV and on the radio and stuff about donating money for starving children in Africa, but honestly, why ask us, the one's who don't always get paid so well, they should be focusing on famous people who get paid a lot. And honestly, if people cared so much about children suffering in Africa, then they would have like, hand pumps and stuff installed for free, so they can have clean water. And shouldn't have to pay for children there to be educated and get food and medical treatment. If people had the heart, they would do it all for free. But nope, they are starving because people are too selfish to give this all for free. So honestly, it's best if the children do honestly just pass, because they won't have a good life at all. Water will be unsanitary, there'll be hardly any food. They'll be full of diseases: Malaria, HIV/AIDS etc.

Africans need to stop having so many kids, because they're just wasting more and more lives. They really need to stop until they have got everything sorted.
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What the heck is wrong with you? The problem is the heavily biased economic system and the bastards we have foisted on these countries. Put oil and gas to one side and figure out where all those cheap goods in our shops come from. The majority come from "neo-slave" sweatshops in many of these poor countries, with western companies collaboratively paying pennies for overseas goods and then making huge profits by selling them to us at ten or twenty times the cost. Our governments have spent decades sponsoring vicious bastards to rule these countries with iron fists and we pour in "AID" that really goes to corrupt political and military pockets. Believe me if you grew up in one of these countries and you had jack shit to start with, you are not going to get far under these conditions. So pull your proverbial finger out of your proverbial arse and either do something about it or get on with your life.
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how sad those poor babies how can you say that karma is a bitch your evil its all children that are in dire situations all over the world including the usa i do not agree with this post at all
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What you say makes sense, I just ate everything in the menu of McDonalds and went to a Chinese Buffet. African children starved, and for that I'm glad, because it means I get to have seconds, take a shit, and not flush or wash my hands after. I can sleep easier at night, knowing America will watch Duck Dynasty without having to worry about human suffering. America is great, fuck Africa, theres not enought to go around, especially when new forms of power are being invented/discovered/produced by scientists. Oh no, but we'll find a new excuse to justify our thinking that we sometimes don't actually want starving African children to survive. If we ever start colonizing other planets (IF we don't kill each other due to ignorance) I bet people from third world countries will stay on Earth since it's old and worn out. I'm not religious but "The meek will inheret the earth". Here you go poor people. A shittier world. I don't even know what I'm saying now. This world is shitty as fuck but I doubt that is news to you.
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This might be an uneducated answer, but who gives.

The West was built on slavery because it raped and stole from Africa and Latin America. Africa is what is today because of the West. So I think a bit of gratitude is in order.

Also when agricultural surplus are dumped (rather than sent to impoverished areas) to maintain price levels, I can't help but feel angry and grab a machete.

From a hippie, drug induced standpoint I feel that you are what you are only because you were born in the right womb. If people adopted that mentality, maybe you would appreciate what you have and want to help others.
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Africans are selfish cruel people they don't care for each other, they don't care for their fellow man. That's why they don't have clean water and sanitation, healthcare, education. They think nothing of having families with ten or twelve children in the full knowledge that they will not be able to feed them. They have no rule of law and no respect for any sort of human rights. The population of the developed world in most cases is stable or in decline. The population of the developing world is exploding as a result of interventions of developed countries mostly through charities (they keep most of the money) but this only perpetuates the problem by creating more selfish irresponsible people. And Africa is a country with some of the richest resources on the planet. Look at Dubai, Israel, California, Las Vegas these places were once desert and make a comparison.
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You know the happier healthier an more educated people are the ones who don't have many children. So if the extremely poverty stricken parts of Africa were changed it wouldn't be a problem.
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If some of the children born in third world countries were fed to other children there, surely the problem would be solved. Simple really.
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Same here. They really shouldn't reproduce if they dont have possibilities
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Meg
It is really sad but you make some good points. :(
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FuzzaMuzza7
I think since ebola is about, we should just not let anyone leave Africa and let it kill them all, they're all just a nuisance there are so much more problems with the world and they are wasting phosphates and nitrates for fertilisers so "mookoo" can get his corn let them die, they won't be able to help the world in any way, they aren't educated, they will get involved with crime and when they find a wife they'll have 16 kids and worsen the problem
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It's only normal if you want them to die so that 25 more don't die in 2 generations. (18 years in African generations). LMAO
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Hmm. If I was an African child starving would I want to die? Yes. Because I have a conscience. Wait no I don't i'm an African! So give me your hand ous. So I can rape and have 8-12 children. Then they can starve instead of me. Thanks for the hand outs American suckers!
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If I was an adult African with the mental capacity I have now as a French cave man descendant, I would do the same thing I'm currently doing. No natural children. If my wife wants kids we have to adopt. Common sense. No birth control? Bullshit excuse. You sorry excuse for a mammal. Only get laid during heavy periods. So you don't get them pregnant. Oh you don't know when her period is because you just met her 3 guys ago in the gang rape. I forgot.
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We need to do your part too. Call our politicians and demand a law which says if people want Wic or welfare, they have to be fixed for free before the first check. Better yet. Pay them an extra 150 to get fixed. It would save millions. And reduce the population of undesireables. More jobs for the people who do want to work.
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Just to be clear Everyone thinks Whitey is racist for thinking like I do, but I despise all Africans regardless of color. Except those poor poor kids. They don't deserve to have been born. With the reduced brain size and the ways those Africans have it's a wonder my ancestors ever made it out of there 80000 years ago. Man Africans are stupid! You sure DNA proves wee evolved from that?
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If each couple would just eat 15 of the 20 children they have per year, they wouldn't be hungry anymore
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Whoever wrote this has a really good point, why didn't I think of that....
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I personally would only look at it from a distant compassion look because I wouldn't want them to suffer to look at it from a logical perspective would cause mass genocide of thousands of people and eventually it would progress to the point if you broke your foot and it never healed properly we'd snap your neck and use your organs for those who are more useful or important than you, so it's all about how you look at things
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I have a fantasy where i put those same children in a cage with my dog ( my wife;) and fuck her wile shes eatin them
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I know this might sound horrible to others but I think that we should get rid of them. We need to atleast get rid of 2 billion people for everything to change. There are way too many people in this world and the pollution is not going to stop but it can decrease within time. Plus they do nothing for society. they spread disease. If I am one of those who has to die them I am fine with that. As long as everyone has a better life.
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Oh please, youre asking for a murder trial here!
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i see ur point i guess with the population thing and global warming, but still u r evil. think of how miserable those people r!!!! how wud u like to be living there and be starving half to death?! u r mean.
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Freak
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OMG I THINK THE EXACT SAME THING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I THOUGHT IT WAS JUST ME! but i also feel very selfish for thinking this way, but i do think its true.
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@: niniozo
You're as sick and twisted as this guy
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@: niniozo
Completely normal - read my post on C-sections below.
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Only beautiful people should have children.
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I laughed a little too hard at the posts title before I clicked on it, I just found it funny obviously. After reading what veryone has to say it's a very very deep post, and no one here has a wrong opinion. But I guess after living that way yourself, or meetif someone who does, attitudes will change. Till then, sure I think it's normal. When all those tsunamis hit Japan I was happy that it was japan, not in a sick racist way but because they have soooo much population, it would be good for the world to loose some :/ again, if I met someone who wrnt through that or experienced it myself my attitude would change.
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The tsunamis in Japan were different than what is being said here. Japan supports its population just fine, without outside aide. The support to Japan was to help with the effects of a natural disaster.

Just the same as when support was given to the US after the flooding several years ago. The same as it was given to US citizens stranded in Canada after 911. Those were instances that were not planned on, no way to foresee or predict. In other words, emergency aid, not an ongoing bandage.

I say, these organizations know they are compounding the problem, and doing it happily, since it is an ongoing paycheck for them. I remember seeing the commercials when I was a kid... you would think in 40 years, they could have pumped enough money into those areas to build irrigation systems, teach people to grow food, educate some locals to educate other locals to do the same. I am betting they could have, if they WANTED TO
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