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Why is female abuse excused due to "PMS"? IIN?
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Why is it that women are excused from balme due to saying I was "PMSing"? Some women have even got away with murder just for that reason, and far more have got away with abusing people for the same reason. I think this is disgusting. If they are allowed to blame their crimes on PMS, then the same argument could be made for male rapists and sex offenders, right? A man could blame his actions on the male natural higher testosterone due to it making a man have a high sex drive.

If women can get away with murder with the excuse of PMS, then a man should get away with rape for the excuse of higher testosterone.

Now, I'm not saying any of this should happen, quite the opposite. What I'm saying here is that why should females get away with their crimes for such an excuse, but men can't? I think regardless of "PMS" the woman should be punished for her crimes, just like a man would for his.

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Ono
I don't think it hurts to have an understanding of the changes women have during their cycle, but people should still be held accountable for their actions.
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Only a very small fraction (less than 5%) of the female population gets PMS in a way that would hinder their ability to think rationally. A lot of women will feel slightly more emotional during that time, but not enough for them to be uncontrollably violent. Though I can see some women using PMS as an excuse to be violent and abusive, even when they don't have a bad case of it. There's also the hypochondriacal aspect of it: many women believe they suffer from it, but in reality it's a self-inflicted state of mind. If you BELIEVE you're going to act like a lunatic for a few days every month, then the chances are you're going to act like a lunatic.


During a psychology class I took last fall, I learned that men actually have MORE of a "PMS" mood fluctuation than women do month to month. After learning that, I think you might have a point.
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I reckon I get some kind of imbalance when it finally does come. I could do serious damage to someone a day or two prior; like literally I could hulk rage that's how big of a mood swing I get.
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MissSorel
@: flax
I understand how you feel, I literally feel like I might turn into a monster and cause a rampage. Take this week, I argued with my mother twice and we haven't argued in months.

Quite obviously I was a lot more hormonal this month.
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The problem is that you seem to be assuming ALL females can get away with murder by claiming "PMS"


That's not true.


In order to claim "pms" as a valid defense a woman has to provide detailed medical history to back up the claim. And I don't just mean "i had cramps" kind of history but real issues that are tied to her hormones
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MissSorel
It might not just be PMS though, while that might be a factor in it, imagine this scenario.

A woman who had a history of abuse to begin with is sick of her husband lounging around all day, spending all the money on alcohol and having affairs, treating her no better than a personal ATM machine. One day, the husband is caught sleeping with her best friend and the woman, who happens to be close to her menstruation, snaps and lashes out, killing her husband.

You can see that while PMS was a factor, there were many underlying factors. I'm not saying this proves or disproves anything but you've got to imagine or look at all facets of what may have happened.

Also the only reason I made the husband like that was because it wouldn't work if he was nice, obviously.
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...And? How would that justify her murdering her husband? It doesn't. There are two reasons why there are prisons; one is to punish the criminal, and the second is to keep the public safe. If she is going to murder people due to "PMS", then she is a danger to people, so she should be punished. That's like saying a sociopath should be allowed to walk free because it is his condition that played the main factor in why he decided to kill someone.

It's comparable to say "I killed my husband because I was "PMSing", he was an asshole, which is one of the factors played in me murdering him" and "I raped a woman because I have high testerone due to being a male. Besides, she was flirting and wearing sexy clothing, which played a few of the factors in which why I raped her". They're comparable, yet one is seen as not an excuse, where as the other is...
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MissSorel
I also like how I am the only person you chose to write a diatribe to so far, it would be nice to answer the other people as well.

But you've got me wrong, I believe in punishment for crime, no matter the gender.
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MissSorel
I never said it was justifiable, I was simply saying that there are always more than what they seems to be on the surface.

That can apply to men as well as women, most people who kill have some form of a bad past, of course, there are exceptions in everything.

And well, I'm sorry this bothers you but it's not like it happens ALL the time. Plenty of women have been jailed for their crimes and will continue to be jailed.

Kristen Gilbert, Aileen Wuornos, Myra Hindley, Karla Homolka, Rose West and so on and so forth all ended up in prison for what they did.

Really though, instead of blaming the women for grasping at excuses, why not direct your hatred at the jury and the judge for allowing them to walk free or get a lenient sentence?

It's not like men don't attempt to use excuses that you just illustrated to get out of trouble, so both sexes are guilty of using such tactics to get out of trouble.

Blame the judge, not women.
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I blame both. I never once said that women have the power to get away with things. I personally believe why women get let off compared to males in the law area of society is due to the goverment allowing them to, not because women are masterminds at getting away with things. But, there are women that fall back on these things knowing they stand a chance of getting away with it.

Not to mention, when ever a woman kills a man, alot of them (maybe most) get about three years jail time, where as if a male murders, he gets fifteen.

I blame women for trying to get away with murder by such reasons, and I blame judges for letting them.
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MissSorel
I think you need to look through female killers and see how much time they get in jail. Most get at least 20 years and quite a lot of them get life sentences handed to them.

Men fall back on excuses as well, you can't blame one sex for trying to use excuses while males do as well. Unfortunately, your messages do seem to me, to have a lot of hatred towards women, even if it's not expressed blatantly.
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I'm not meaning female serial killers or ones that have killed more than one.
Here is a link to someone talking about it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEPSBJe4IrQ&list=FLDcQUoqjuGHLrFfQAbx5PbQ&index=2&feature=plpp_video

Yes, men do, but they barely ever, if at all, get those excuses to get them away with murder with three years jail time.

I don't hate women, I just hate that they are allowed to do things and get less harsher punishment for them. I hate society the most for allowing this to happen, and I hate when women realize they stand a chance by making excuses that society will let her off for.

I don't hate women, I hate how they are allowed to do things and get away with things differently.
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That's just the way women are. You got to accept them, love them, and never try to understand them.

Just so you know, married men also have PMS, Post MasterCard syndrome.
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There are some things that can be excused with PMS, somethings not. For example, a grouchy comment like "whatever" or "shut up" could very well just be a symptom of depression from fluctuating hormones. Hitting someone, or hurting them in any other way, should not be excused with PMS. We women need to get a grip.
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It's women like you that have the best of my respect.
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Just don't accept it as an excuse. I've never let a woman get away with anything. Never will
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I've studied cases like that.
If they have PMS to a degree in which their hormones fluctuate so much that no reasonable human being can expect to act rationally during such fluctuations, than it is a valid defense. That's an insanity plea.

On the flip side, the same can be said throughout the genders. Why can't men be excused for fluctuations in testosterone hindering their functioning? I've only ever heard of one case in which anything near that occurred, Harvey Milk's killer used something like that defense.

Get a defense attorney, a good enough case (victim is known to be a drunk... why not violent as well?) an idiotic jury and a nonchalant prosecutor and this is what happens, sorry to say.
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He used the "twinky defense" it didn't help him though. He got off light because alot of anti-gay people helped him. It is rumored that when he turned himself in the police applauded him and gave him a pat on the back.

The insanity defense is almost impossible to get, it's simply if you know right from wrong. Jeffrey Dahmer was found sane! Another killer later remarked "if he dosn't fit the definition of insanity i'd hate like hell to run into the guy that does!" PMS isn't SHIT!
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It looks to me as though ladies are just trying to get away from responsibility by blaming their actions on "PMS", in everyday situations too. There are probably a few cases where the PMS is real and quite an issue, but being a female who has never experienced PMS, I just don't tolerate women who try that excuse on me.
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clementine92
It is a hard time for some women :/ a lot of women end up on anti depressants because of their periods and hormones and stuff im lucky i don't get any weird issues when im on mine :D
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This is a good question. My wife is obviously embarrassed by some of her ugly behavior, *IF* I decide to bring it up later. But she never brings it up herself, or actually apologizes for it, like I do when I know I have acted badly. It's like she wants to believe THAT was a different person then, and I don't know her today... end of story.
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I cry when I pms. I was watching wall-e and was hysterically crying cuz I loved him so much. Also I crave juice.
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The thing that has to be taken into account here is that women don't just have one hormone, they have two, and the two fluxuate constantly, not just occasionally, and sometimes it really is a problem. It can cause temporary instability, because of the way the hormones affect the brain and body. A man's hormones affect his sex drive and body structure, and if the amount is really too high, he can become angry, but that's not an excuse to hurt someone, any more than a woman should be excused for doing something while "PMSing." The problem is, some women don't just PMS, some suffer from PMDD, making them, for lack of a better word, a ticking time bomb. In the same sense that you wouldn't want to piss off a pregnant woman, or a woman on her period, you don't want to upset a woman suffering from PMDD. The fact of the matter is, a woman's body goes through significant changes on a daily basis, preparing for a baby that it may not have. And if the egg isn't fertilized in time, it then has to literally tear the lining off of a major organ and dispose of it. This not only causes a major spike in hormones, but it is very painful. If your chemistry was off balance, and you could feel one of your organs being torn up from the inside, you might understand.
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They should still be imprisoned. Prison isn't about punishment, it's about keeping the public safe. If the woman is a threat to other people by something that can happen more than once at any time, then that is even more reason for them to be locked up.
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I don't disagree. If you're a danger to the public, then you're a danger to the public. No arguments here. There was a woman who went temporarily insane while she was pregnant and smothered 3 of her 4 children, and she was put in the hospital for the duration of her pregnancy and I believe a month following the delivery. I think that's how it should be if someone is going to be dangerous, but the issue is, you don't always know. As for women who have severe PMS or PMDD symptoms, there is medication for it. If you're opting not to take it knowing that you are dangerous, then yes, you should be in the hospital 2 weeks out of the month.
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1000yrVampireKing
It is not an excuse and you should have some self control. This is a stupid excuse and I think these women need to be sent to anger management. Even if your hormones are out of whack it does not mean you have a right to be a bitch. How about puberty? We all hit puberty but we do not all rape people. Though hormones say we should rape people. However rape is still a crime. This is just an excuse to be an asshole. Unless you really have no idea what you are doing Like people suffering from "Schizophrenia" you really have no reason for acting this way. You know damn well what you are doing. So stop it now. Rape is wrong, killing is wrong and if you know you are doing it you willingly did wrong. Unless you imagine the world differently and think you are killing a ghoul you are completely responsible.
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