The reason there is still wide spread homophobia is because people don't understand us, ignorance breeds hatred. We aren't some rare disease that only exists in a tiny minority in society, we are people just like you who want to get by without being discriminated against.
Also, being gay provides both a sexual and romantic attraction to members of the same sex. Is it because there's sex in the process that makes it purely sexual? I can use the same argument against heterosexuals. Homosexuals can get romantically attracted to each other, get married and have families whether by adoption or surrogacy.
The myth that homosexuals are purely just kinky freaks with a high sex drive that just want to fuck around and not settle down and the fact that you thought it's true, that every homosexual is like that is pure proof why we need more proper representation, so your future kids don't grow up to think the same and therefore continuing the marginalization of us.
I never said ya'll weren't oppressed at all, but I just don't think there is anything you can really do. I do think you can change the fact that straight people think being gay is weird and gross. So "homophobia" isn't going anywhere and all the legal actions that are reasonable have already been made. I also think there is a problem with riding the 'victim' mind set too far. Because straight people will become jealous of the victim card that gives you an edge and try to find out how their the victim and leverage that. The victim and oppressor way of looking at the world often leads to more problems than it solves.
Compare society's views on women 150 years ago to now. As you can see, it's possible to change the perception of society on certain groups of people. The world is not in a static state where norms stay the same through out the centuries. So yes, there are things we can do about it.
Homophobia or micro aggression/belittling homosexuality is still widespread worldwide. Even in western countries not every area in every country will accept you.
Sorry but not sorry, it's not my problem that some straight people will get jealous and want to be victims too. We should have been equals long ago but unfortunately it's a modern thing to accept gays and that's sad. Do you really think i'm happy and satisfied with being a victim? Do you genuinely think i want to be oppressed?
And also, you're putting words in my mouth, i didn't make it out to be victim and oppressor, i want it to be the opposite actually, i want us to be equal citizens hence why i mentioned "It kinda upsets me to see that LGBTQ romance or movies in general are always grouped into their own genre. I wish we could just exist in heteronormativity and not just be separated into our own community and sub genre." maybe you should try to listen first before you speak so you don't sound ignorant and entitled.
Disagree. Gender is different because there is more women than there is gay guys. I think belittling homosexuality does no harm whatsoever. It's not the norm at all. Society is built for norms. I'm to tall to fit in some cars because cars are made to fit the average man. If free speech is valuable as it should be, than I don't have to say anything good about homosexuality or stop belittling it or anything like that. Your trying to tell straight people what to think of you when that's none of your business. Just be gay and enjoy it and stop making it everyone else's business not to "belittle" you. My ENTIRE family including extended family on both sides think homosexuality is EVIL and gets you sent to hell. You really think you could convince them as well?
This kind of attitude is what leads to hate crimes and violence, i want mere acceptance and representation. Keeping homosexuality hidden and concealed is what leads to ignorant people thinking it's okay to do horrible things to gay people. And they sure love to use the excuse of "free speech" to be hateful. They have the right to do so but i don't want it to be the norm.
Also, did you really just compare being tall to being gay? Are tall people executed, put in prison, harassed, mocked, beaten, disowned, honor killed for being tall in some countries? No. Sorry to burst your bubble but being gay is still not as tolerated as you would like to believe.
Are we talking about America here or the world at large? I was not comparing being tall to being gay, that was just an example to explain that society is designed for the norm.
I don't think that kind of attitude leads to hate crimes. People have the right to think whatever they want about gay people and unfortunately for you guys, that view is not as positive as it is of straight people. And I don't think there is anything you can do that will help to a notable degree that does so without infringing free speech rights. Free speech is a very valid "excuse" to be hateful.
I think you don't understand how sociology works, If you created a poll for the country asking "do you accept LGBTQ people?" 50 years ago vs today, do you really think it would be the same? No, because society changes and their views on certain people change too, women centuries ago were seen as mere housewives who can't handle taking a job like a man. Nowadays, we see women as equals to men who can do anything a man can do. Mentalities change, and these mentalities change by exposure and having conversations about said thing. Staying silent about the LGBTQ and not representing them as they should be will continue this cycle of bigotry; hands down.
And yes, i'm speaking about the world in general but using the the west in some examples.
Does heteronormativity bother you?
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The reason there is still wide spread homophobia is because people don't understand us, ignorance breeds hatred. We aren't some rare disease that only exists in a tiny minority in society, we are people just like you who want to get by without being discriminated against.
Also, being gay provides both a sexual and romantic attraction to members of the same sex. Is it because there's sex in the process that makes it purely sexual? I can use the same argument against heterosexuals. Homosexuals can get romantically attracted to each other, get married and have families whether by adoption or surrogacy.
The myth that homosexuals are purely just kinky freaks with a high sex drive that just want to fuck around and not settle down and the fact that you thought it's true, that every homosexual is like that is pure proof why we need more proper representation, so your future kids don't grow up to think the same and therefore continuing the marginalization of us.
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I never said ya'll weren't oppressed at all, but I just don't think there is anything you can really do. I do think you can change the fact that straight people think being gay is weird and gross. So "homophobia" isn't going anywhere and all the legal actions that are reasonable have already been made. I also think there is a problem with riding the 'victim' mind set too far. Because straight people will become jealous of the victim card that gives you an edge and try to find out how their the victim and leverage that. The victim and oppressor way of looking at the world often leads to more problems than it solves.
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Compare society's views on women 150 years ago to now. As you can see, it's possible to change the perception of society on certain groups of people. The world is not in a static state where norms stay the same through out the centuries. So yes, there are things we can do about it.
Homophobia or micro aggression/belittling homosexuality is still widespread worldwide. Even in western countries not every area in every country will accept you.
Sorry but not sorry, it's not my problem that some straight people will get jealous and want to be victims too. We should have been equals long ago but unfortunately it's a modern thing to accept gays and that's sad. Do you really think i'm happy and satisfied with being a victim? Do you genuinely think i want to be oppressed?
And also, you're putting words in my mouth, i didn't make it out to be victim and oppressor, i want it to be the opposite actually, i want us to be equal citizens hence why i mentioned "It kinda upsets me to see that LGBTQ romance or movies in general are always grouped into their own genre. I wish we could just exist in heteronormativity and not just be separated into our own community and sub genre." maybe you should try to listen first before you speak so you don't sound ignorant and entitled.
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Disagree. Gender is different because there is more women than there is gay guys. I think belittling homosexuality does no harm whatsoever. It's not the norm at all. Society is built for norms. I'm to tall to fit in some cars because cars are made to fit the average man. If free speech is valuable as it should be, than I don't have to say anything good about homosexuality or stop belittling it or anything like that. Your trying to tell straight people what to think of you when that's none of your business. Just be gay and enjoy it and stop making it everyone else's business not to "belittle" you. My ENTIRE family including extended family on both sides think homosexuality is EVIL and gets you sent to hell. You really think you could convince them as well?
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This kind of attitude is what leads to hate crimes and violence, i want mere acceptance and representation. Keeping homosexuality hidden and concealed is what leads to ignorant people thinking it's okay to do horrible things to gay people. And they sure love to use the excuse of "free speech" to be hateful. They have the right to do so but i don't want it to be the norm.
Also, did you really just compare being tall to being gay? Are tall people executed, put in prison, harassed, mocked, beaten, disowned, honor killed for being tall in some countries? No. Sorry to burst your bubble but being gay is still not as tolerated as you would like to believe.
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Are we talking about America here or the world at large? I was not comparing being tall to being gay, that was just an example to explain that society is designed for the norm.
I don't think that kind of attitude leads to hate crimes. People have the right to think whatever they want about gay people and unfortunately for you guys, that view is not as positive as it is of straight people. And I don't think there is anything you can do that will help to a notable degree that does so without infringing free speech rights. Free speech is a very valid "excuse" to be hateful.
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I think you don't understand how sociology works, If you created a poll for the country asking "do you accept LGBTQ people?" 50 years ago vs today, do you really think it would be the same? No, because society changes and their views on certain people change too, women centuries ago were seen as mere housewives who can't handle taking a job like a man. Nowadays, we see women as equals to men who can do anything a man can do. Mentalities change, and these mentalities change by exposure and having conversations about said thing. Staying silent about the LGBTQ and not representing them as they should be will continue this cycle of bigotry; hands down.
And yes, i'm speaking about the world in general but using the the west in some examples.