Still a virgin? Well how old are you?

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  • PumpkinKate

    For shame, Neuro :(

    Science long ago proved as a fact that men produce bonding chemicals AND that they affect their behavior.

    It is to a lesser effect than with men, that is true, but it takes a lot of work to disprove scientific data that has been accepted as fact for several years.

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    • "testosterone is released at the same time, and it blocks the bonding effect of oxytocin."

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    • NeuroNeptunian

      Ah, I had no idea.
      I knew that there were basic chemicals involved regarding sex but I didn't think that they were much different from your everyday bonding chemicals.

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      • PumpkinKate

        Don't worry about Tommythecat. He's trying to fight against scientific fact and win.

        Testosterone inhibits the reuptake of oxytocin, lowering its overall effect, but it does not block it entirely. Men still feel its effects.

        At first, he tried to say men didn't even produce it at all, and quotes a teen magazine sex article to back his claim that oxytocin won't make men feel "all cuddly".

        I cite my sources from the NCBI, Harvard Medical, and the DSM. All internationally accredited institutes of science.

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      • PumpkinKate

        Well, a lot of chemicals play a role in sex. Of course there's the obvious estrogen and testosterone, but usually when someone uses the term "bonding chemical" they're referring to oxytocin. Oxytocin plays a very big role in sexuality. It plays a strong role in feelings of trust, closeness, intimacy, and love, and we basically love this stuff. Apart from making us feel fantastic (producing a sense of euphoria and pleasure), in women oxytocin also affects orgasm, lactation, and overall mood. Testosterone in males (or in females with higher levels) inhibits some of the reuptake of oxytocin, which is generally believed to be an evolutionary trait attributed to the fact that women have a 9 month gestation period, and during that 9 months the male could impregnate more females. (More babies = better chance of survival)

        That's likely where the misconception that men are COMPLETELY unaffected by oxytocin would have come from. There have been extensive studies that correlate the release of oxytocin with various parts of the brain, in both males and females, to varying degrees.

        When you have butterflies in your stomach from seeing your crush, when you feel SO in love with your partner, when you have sex & orgasm, when you hold your newborn child, and at times during simple intimacy, oxytocin is released in varying amounts. (The amount released when you hold your first-born child is ridiculously off the charts) There are still many studies being done, as it's difficult for scientists to determine all the varied effects and just how big a role it plays in our relationships, but we have learned a lot so far.

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          • PumpkinKate

            Sources, let's see 'em.

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