A us senator just went full theocracy

I can't say I'm suprised, but I really wish it isn't getting to this point.

Lauren Boebert (Republican Senator of Colorado) has admitted during a speech that she believes separation of church and state should be ignored. Specifically, she said:

“The reason we had so many overreaching regulations is because the church complied. The church is supposed to direct the government. The government is not supposed to direct the church. That is not how our Founding Fathers intended it.”

Genuinely, I would rather just outright die than let the country become a theocracy. Regardless of the religion in control. Hopefully this doesn't gain traction.

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  • ospry

    I'm religious and practicing but there is no way in the world I'd ever support the United States becoming a theocracy. Theocracies, by nature, enforce only the strictest and harshest interpretations of doctrine and then impose them on everyone, regardless of their beliefs. Look at what an absolute hellscape the countries on the Arabian peninsula are (okay, technically not theocracies but as close as you can possibly get without being one). No country in the world should be a theocracy

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  • 1WeirdGuy

    Its called the political pendulum effect. When things swing one way too fast it creates extremists on the other side. This is a product of LGBT tranny stuff being pushed everywhere. You're gonna see religious people become more extreme.

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    • Regardless, I'm really against this sort of behavior. I grew up religious and have little issue with religion as a whole, but if the far right begins to push for a theocracic republic it would probably be the thing that pushed me from moderate to liberal.

      Although I do see the point you're making.

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      • 1WeirdGuy

        You can not claim to be moderate if you would vote for a candidate advocating for having dudes in drag coming to schools to read books to kids. If you dont like these type of conservatives, which i am not a fan of either, just dont vote at all.

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        • I do not support that. I specifically believe that most people claiming to be trans are doing it because it is "trendy". While only a small portion of those people are genuinely trans.

          I also believe that the drag reading thing is stupid at best and damaging to the LGBT community and children's minds at worst.

          While I admittedly do lean more left, I do have several issues with the Democratic party as a whole. Particularly with the far left.

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          • 1WeirdGuy

            Well luckily what will happen in the fall is republicans will probably get the house and senate and that means there will be effectively a grid lock. Joe Biden will just veto anything they do and then if Joe Biden wants to do something they will say no. This is probably the best case scenerio right now. Nothing will get done so they cant screw anything up worse.

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            • LloydAsher

              Good ol Republicans grid lock. About as good as they can get, since they've been a wet fart for a decade.

              At least the trump divide made rinos finally switch to the other side.

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  • Anonnet

    One senator from Colorado. Big deal.

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    • LloydAsher

      Exactly. Not even a known to the wider party. When there are hundreds of party politicians you can easily find one that says stupid shit.

      Hell AOC said on air that Abraham Lincoln made the emancipation proclamation in response to dred scott decision as a case on why the supreme court should be overruled... she got that chain of events horrifically wrong. The fact that no one in the media has called her out on that shit is worse than this simple politician here.

      One has millions of followers, the other I had to look up his name on google.

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  • Clunk42

    She is correct. Separation of Church and State is a modern creation that has led to nothing good at all.

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    • Then I'm sure you would be fine with our senator Ilhan Omar (a Muslim) implementing her religious beliefs into our laws, correct? Would you be okay with LaVeyan Satanism, Haitan Voodou, Druidry, or Hinduism being implemented into the government system?

      Or perhaps we should discuss the subtle differences between Catholicism or the various Protestant sects of Christianity? What about Judaism?

      I presume that this would mean you also feel that Wicca, the witchcraft and pagam religion, would also be okay to represent our laws?

      If a non-Christian was unhappy with the decision to make the country a Christian theocracy would you be willing to pay for them to leave the country? It costs a hefty fee even with a college degree to leave. So it's not like people can "just leave".

      Theocracy of all kinds are bad. The Catholic Church and Shariah Law have demonstrated this already. It results in misery for all but the most devoted followers.

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      • dabadedabadie

        I fucking hate that foreigners come from other countries and try to force America to be like the country they left. If you wanted you live like that then you should never have left your country in the first place.

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        • LloydAsher

          You also got to contend with clunk42 being a catholic. Which is exactly the religion people were running from when america was founded.

          Seperation of church and state goes for all religions. Even the new cult of woke.

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          • RoseIsabella

            ... especially the cult of wokeness!

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      • Clunk42

        Of course I wouldn't. Their religions are false; they have no legitimate claim to any sort of governance. In fact, non-Christians in general have no legitimate claim to govern over Christians.

        Government is not some sort of "civil contract" between the people and the government, as America would have you believe. If you are under a government, you are under that government, and there is nothing you can rightfully do about it, unless the government itself allows you to leave.

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        • RoseIsabella

          That is terrifying

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    • 1WeirdGuy

      I personally like and want having seperation of church and state but she is also right that there is nothing in the constitution about seperation of church and state and many of the founding fathers seemed to be against it. Here's a quote by Alexander Hamilton:

      "...this is called the law of nature dictated by God Himself is, of course, superior in obligation to any other. It is binding over all the globe, in all countries, and at all times. No human laws are of any validity if contrary to this."

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      • Clunk42

        That actually isn't a quote against separation of Church and State. What that quote is is an affirmation of Natural Law, Natural Law being a belief in an objective morality that all people are subject to at all times. It is also a Catholic belief, being the counterpart to Canon Law, which is set forth by the Church and is binding only to Catholics.

        However, I can assure you that many of the things allowed in the United States today are considered absolutely heinous breeches of Natural Law, and Alexander Hamilton would have likely been appalled by them.

        People always use the "Freedom of Religion" clause in the Bill of Rights to show that the country is against theocracy, but, in reality, that just means that the people under the government are allowed to pick their own religions, which is still a false belief, but the Founding Fathers were highly Masonic in their ideals.

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        • 1WeirdGuy

          He is saying the laws of nature come from God himself. And then at the end of his quote says no human law is above this.

          I interpret that to mean no human laws should overrule Gods laws.

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          • Clunk42

            I think that what you don't realize is that the quote you provided is Alexander Hamilton quoting something Sir William Blackstone said on Natural Law.

            When you place the quote in context, the true meaning of the quote makes perfect sense, and it can be seen very clearly that the quote is not contrary to Separation of Church and State:

            "This will of his Maker is called the law of nature. For as God, when He created matter, and endued it with a principle of mobility, established certain rules for the perpetual direction of that motion; so, when he created man, and endued him with free will to conduct himself in all parts of life, He laid down certain immutable laws of human nature, whereby that free will is in some degree regulated and restrained, and gave him also the faculty of reason to discover the purport of those laws.

            Considering the Creator only a Being of infinite power, He was able unquestionably to have prescribed whatever laws He pleased to His creature, man, however unjust or severe. But as He is also a Being of infinite wisdom, He has laid down only such laws as were founded in those relations of justice, that existed in the nature of things antecedent to any positive precept. These are the eternal, immutable laws of good and evil, to which the Creator Himself in all his dispensations conforms; and which He has enabled human reason to discover, so far as they are necessary for the conduct of human actions. Such, among others, are these principles: that we should live honestly, should hurt nobody, and should render to everyone his due; to which three general precepts Justinian has reduced the whole doctrine of law. But if the discovery of these first principles of the law of nature depended only upon the due exertion of right reason, and could not otherwise be obtained than by a chain of metaphysical disquisitions, mankind would have wanted some inducement to have quickened their inquiries, and the greater part of the world would have rested content in mental indolence, and ignorance its inseparable companion. As, therefore, the Creator is a Being, not only of infinite power, and wisdom, but also of infinite goodness, He has been pleased so to contrive the constitution and frame of humanity, that we should want no other prompter than to inquire after and pursue the rule of right, but only our own self-love, that universal principle of action. For he has so intimately connected, so inseparably interwoven the laws of eternal justice with the happiness of each individual, that the latter cannot be attained but by observing the former; and, if the former be punctually obeyed, it cannot but induce the latter. In consequence of which mutual connection of justice and human felicity, He has not perplexed the law of nature with a multitude of abstracted rules and precepts, referring merely to the fitness or unfitness of things, as some have vainly surmised; but has graciously reduced the rule of obedience to this one paternal precept, 'that man should pursue his own true and substantial happiness.' This is the foundation of what we call ethics, or natural law. For the several articles into which it is branched in our systems, amount to no more than demonstrating, that his or that action tends to man's real happiness, and therefore very justly concluding that the performance of it is a part of the law of nature; or, on the other hand, that this or that action is destructive to man's real happiness, and therefore that the law of nature forbids it.

            This law of nature, being coeval with mankind and dictated by God Himself, is of course superior in obligation to any other. It is binding over all the globe in all countries, and at all times: no human laws are of any validity, if contrary to this; and such of them as are valid derive all their force, and all their authority, mediately or immediately, from this original. But in order to apply this to the particular exigencies of each individual, it is still necessary to have recourse to human reason; whose office it is to discover, as was before observed, what the law of nature directs in every circumstance of life; by considering, what method will tend most effectually to our own substantial happiness. And if our reason were always, as in our first ancestor before his transgression, clear and perfect, unruffled by passions, unclouded by prejudice, unimpaired by disease or intemperance, the task would be pleasant and easy; we should need no other guide but this. But every man now finds the contrary in his own experience; that his reason is corrupt, and his understanding full of ignorance and error."

            Don't get me wrong, I wish that the quote were contrary to Separation of Church and State, but it isn't. It is about Natural Law, which is the belief that all human beings have the ability to know what is good and what is evil through their intellect alone, and that no law or value contrary to Natural Law has any sort of merit whatsoever.

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  • DADNSCAL

    So what? You already knew she's a batshit crazy gun loving theocrat.

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  • RoseIsabella

    We must have state sactioned feline worship, it's what Pharaoh would have wanted!

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  • raisinbran

    It turns out the hysterical masses can't handle atheism. Without a religion they worship all kinds of weird shit and view government authorities as their God.

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    • LloydAsher

      Look at secular countries like china. Their goverment has become the new religion.

      Like it or not most people need religion.

      Just be glad it's one of the better religions that's popular.

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  • donteatstuffoffthesidewalk

    bitch be trippin

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