Are individual human beings responsible for their own actions?

Which of the following statements do you (mostly) agree with, if any?

1. All people are responsible for their own actions, regardless of circumstances. There is no excuse for behavior that is hurtful, destructive, or criminal.

2. People are mostly responsible for their own actions, but their judgement, and consequently their ability to exercise free will, may be clouded by environmental, psychological, or other influences, which may share blame or praise for whatever the person does.

3. People are no more responsible for their actions than animals. The human decision-making process is governed entirely by factors such as upbringing, experiences, emotions, knowledge, ignorance, peculiarities of the physical brain, the evolution of ideas sparked by purely random thoughts, and countless other influences. "Free will" is a myth.

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2 36
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  • anti-hero

    Somewhere between 1 and 2.

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    • Terranaut

      Agreed

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    • Crashing

      Agreed

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  • suckonthis9

    I agree most with number 1, however, many people create the conditions for behaviour that is hurtful, destructive or criminal in their day-to-day lives without even realizing it. Also, one cannot usually create anything material without being destructive to something else (there are some exceptions to this). Also, in some circumstances, criminal behaviour could be necessary, where there is corruption or unjust law.

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  • Captain_Kegstand

    Every single action I make during a given day is of my choosing. I can choose not to go to work, or to get drunk before I go driving, but I don't because the benefit is outweighed by the consequences. Even people who are put in extreme situations still choose their own actions, even if it is more understandable than the actions of a person in a normal situation.

    I am on the side of number 1, you choose your actions and are responsible for them. This being said, there are certain situations when an action you choose might be okay, when it is normally not.

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    • You think that your actions are of your choosing because you have never considered the psychological reasons behind them. Perhaps you could not comprehend them, in which case, you are like most people. Ignorance is bliss.

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      • Captain_Kegstand

        What psychological reasons are we talking about, that could explain me not having free will?

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        • Everything that has ever happened to you in your life, those are the reasons. Your personality is like a computer. The data that is entered into that computer is every experience and thought you have ever had.

          Consider this:

          Could you murder someone you love for no reason whatsoever? Likely not. Yet, this sort of thing does happen on occasion. People are shocked by this behavior, yet they themselves could not duplicate it it under any circumstances. This proves that people cannot "choose" to be cold-blooded murderers, because such ones are clearly operating under entirely different mental conditions than you and I. If free will exists, it must be immune to influences such as psychology. If psychology can influence a person's choices, then free will does not exist.

          If you ARE a murderer, then I apologize for my ignorant assumption.

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          • izakthegoomba

            Ok, sorry dappled, but this guy is my new favourite person. Whoever he is.

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          • YumInsanity

            That didn't take long, you just shattered a grown man's world view and convinced him he's a little more than an automaton in two posts. He doesn't seem to mind that much, you must be right

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          • Captain_Kegstand

            You know, there are very few times on IIN that I have admitted that I might be wrong because of the point the OP raised.

            In this case, I do see your point, I will admit that I might be incorrect in my assumption.

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  • prof.oak

    I voted 3, but it depends on the context in which we define free will. If we define free will as the ability to make uninfluenced choices as an individual person, then it is a facade of control; I make choices based on who I am, but I am a product of my environment, so then my choices are as well.

    But this logic must also hold true in every situation, for if there is one instance of free will, then it exists. But, one instance of free will does not disprove all determinism.

    The term free will is used in conjunction with 3 dimensional individual organisms. But, reality consists of much more than what we may perceive through our senses; we see only 2 dimensions, with an illusion of the third. We see cause and effect as we perceive it, but the other aspects of reality that are imperceivable may not follow our logic; I will discuss this more after you reply.

    "Anonymous Poll Creator
    6 months, 1 week ago | pl
    @: Captain_Kegstand
    Everything that has ever happened to you in your life, those are the reasons. Your personality is like a computer. The data that is entered into that computer is every experience and thought you have ever had."

    Here you seem to be insinuating that either personal identity consists of only experience and thought, or that there is a third entity (the computer) holding the data together. My following argument would depend on which possibility you are implying...please clarify.

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  • dom180

    Could be either 1, 2 or 3 depending on the scenario. If I had to lean on one of the answers, I'd say around 2.5. I always presume 2 unless there's obvious evidence suggesting it's 1 or 3.

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  • Think of this:

    People often express the sentiment that Adolf Hitler was among the most "evil" human beings in history because of the massive death toll that occurred during his regime. However, it is a fact that Hitler did not personally execute or otherwise cause the deaths of many, if indeed any of the people killed under his regime during the "Holocaust". Those people were killed by soldiers, or during the course of forced labor in concentration camps overseen by soldiers.

    If individuals are responsible for their own actions, then the statement "Hitler killed millions of people while he was in power" would be logically incorrect, as those people were, in fact, killed by soldiers. Hitler, then, would be no more evil than anyone else who espouses his philosophies, which are legion.

    Whether or not "evil" is even a valid concept is another subject.

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  • dappled

    4. Neither humans nor animals have free will and the only reason we even have a concept of free will is because deterministically we had no other choice but to have a concept of free will.

    Ironic, isn't it? :D

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    • izakthegoomba

      You are my new favourite person.

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    • YumInsanity

      I have the free will to tell you to shut your stupid old ass up, don't I? Stop using your deterministic view of the universe to excuse your pederasty, you goddam Calvinist, particles and waves are becoming the same thing and getting smaller every minute and they're telling THEMSELVES what to do

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      • dappled

        Just because it's insulting, doesn't mean it's free will. :)

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    • Brilliant, as you always are.

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      • dappled

        Hmm, people are being too nice to me today.

        It's a trap, isn't it? :P

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        • Captain_Kegstand

          Yup, they will build you up and just when you feel good about yourself, smash!

          Random curiosity, don't answer if you don't want. How old is dappled?

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  • i dont understand how someone ie a hirer of a hitman gets more jail time than the actual murderer, i wonder if this is what u mean

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    • wigsplitz

      It's usually because the hitman is needed to testify against the person who hired him and a deal is made in exchange for his testimony. Without his testimony, the other person could very likely walk free. It's just a legal game, one of many they play all day every day. They have to decide all the time in court cases, who do we want MORE, who can we make the best case against or who is MORE dangerous, it's not always about making everyone who is technically responsible pay....like I said, it's a game. Now you know.

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