Atheism to me just seems lazy

yeah being an atheist is silly......i prefer to believe that a carpenter who lived 2000 years ago is going to fly out of the sky and take me back to live with him forever.....that makes a lot more sense.....

ok i can't leave it at that

"The atheists I meet typically can only present very weak reasons for why they don't think God exists."

Wow. Lets review some facts on why you believe in god.

1. A lot of people told you there is a god.
2. You read in a book that there is a god.

If you take away those 2 things you would not believe in god.

So your reasons for believing in god are weak and stupid.

The irony in your comment is amazing.

Athiest lazy WTF are you talking about look at all the stuff we have to do

Lift big heavy porno mags
scrolling our mouse all day over porn
wanking
going out in the streets and walking around to perv
Lifting all those skirts
Removing bras and panties
fibgering
licking
fucking
And you think were lazy Id like to see any of you bible thumpers try bet you cant

Wow atheists are stupid. A superior being CLEARLY came out of nowhere and made the world.

Flikr, don't you think you're kinda exemplifying the OP's point with comments like: "all religion is a BAD thing, all those f**ks need to be hung"

He said:
"Then on top of that most of the ones who will readily identify as atheistic seem to either just want attention (Ooh, look at me! I'm different!) or have some sort of near-violent vendetta against all things religious."

I agree with you for the most part.
I agree that a lot of people make stupid excuses for not believing, and that does annoy me, and it is lazy. But others have more logical, emotional reasons for not believing.
I can't stand when people are atheists just for the heck of it. They just want to hurt people and attack what makes them happy and what they believe in. That bothers me to no end.
In any case, we have to remain strong as believers, and stick together. They'll know the difference in the end.

I think religion is just a set of values to live by, and thats a good thing.
If there wasn't religion then the world would be a bigger mess than it already is...although religion has also caused wars like the Crusades.

What proof is there that God exists though? Some people might view The Bible as a fairy-tale written by a group who was considered then a genius even though if they were placed in todays society they would equal the education and intelligence of a third-grader.

That thing where the river turned red was caused by iron rusting or something and then it bubbled op out of a lake and released a low lying gas which killed all the egyptian first-borns because they were given a special bed close to the ground.

This was figured out when in 1978 a similar thing happened and killed a whole village of neiggers.

wow, you are incredibly stupid

i can't even express how stupid you are so i'm just going to leave it at that

They are very lazy, everything cant be explained by science. How was the universe created. How was it always here? These questions are the questions u ask god.

I don't know where the conversation is at this point, but I'm going to insert my comment anyway.

When you think of life in a more philosophical way, being completely open minded to any possibility, you start to realize that not having a God in correlation with reality leaves an empty void in the reasoning of Atheism. How can something exist if there was no beginning? According to the big bang theory, the universe was condensed into a tiny particle and then something made it expand that created everything we know of and more. Well, how was that particle created in the first place? Even more puzzling, how was the concept of time established if time controls what we call "the beginning"? Now I know I just wrote myself into a corner saying that things need a beginning to exist when I believe that God has always been existing, but if you look at it in comparison with everything else, an all powerful, always existing God seems like the only logical explanation for reality to exist.

I'm not trying to start any debates, I'm just contributing my thoughts.

What about scientologist like Tom Cruise?

it seems like you've been so brainwashed and conditioned by your religion that you couldn't possibly believe that someone would sincerely and rationally not believe. You need to open your mind up a little.

religion is bollocks. a load of shit written in books and preached to you. brainwashed...

"Is it just me or does atheism just seem like a lazy way out of the whole religious part of life and culture?"

You're ignorant. Atheism is the logical response to mythology.

You're not getting many thumbs up with your ignorant assumptions.

Time to change your screen name and start over with more logical statements and pretend you never typed this.

Okay, here's a reason, there's no evidence for any gods existence(let alone the Christian one). You're the ones making the assertion that a god exists(we're just saying that we don't buy it), the burden of proof rests on the religious.

My girlfriend has a really good reason for being atheist(I'm not but I don't care that she is cause I love her no matter what) and also. There is very valid question that makes both religion and atheism seem very stupid.

Where did it come from? (either God or The Big Bang)

That question will pop up no matter what. Have fun trying to prove me wrong.

Surely lack of answered prayers are evidence that there is no God? Just thought I'd point that out.

People who post religion hate questions, no matter who they are hating, really suck. Seriously. It isn't cool. Just respect people of other beliefs. They have their reasons, even if you disagree. Just let them be, all right?

Why don't you guys actually read the bible then you will believe in god you can't ignore the facts of the world.

You're an overzealous RETARD. What, because of what's written in some archaic book made generations before you were born you believe that there is a GOD?

Why don't you just pull out a book on Egyptian gods and start spreading the gospel of the underworld?

Or does that scare you, itty bitty Christian?

*flikr

@flik I think u r a very emotional distraut and u dnt have very good social skills so u sit around and watch the polls and if nobody has said anything u immediately go against whtever the person has said and if somebody has already commented u agree becuz u think by agreeing with them u might b goin somewhere and they might make u their freind but hate to break it to u but half the ppl u try to make friends with on here I hope wudnt b stupid enough to ever meet u in person. I think u have faced a lot of rejection in ur life and u are just emotionally distraut and u just need a good friend well dude let me tell u hating ppl doesn't give u friends hatin ppl makes them wanna hate u treat others the way u wud liketo b treated.

So someone who doesn't have sex, makes them lazy? No, they just dont want to!

I'm an atheist but I don't mind religious people, only if they preach and say that I am wrong for what I believe in.

I once had a discussion with a very strong christian believer about heaven and she told me that heaven was a "state of mind". Sums it all up really!

Some of you people should check out Karl Marx and his "opium of the people". All makes sense to be honest.

Continue :)

**-For a religious person, reality is such that G-d is the uncaused cause. For a "realist," reality is something else with no explanation for the uncaused cause.-**

I’m not familiar with the term “realist”, as far as I understand it’s related to atheist, and I consider myself one. For me reality itself IS the uncaused cause. I try to think of time and space (complex concepts that are a huge part of our daily living) as they ever existed. I know it is not easy to accept this, but neither is the concept of a creator-father that gave life to everything.

**-What real arguments for G-d's NONEXISTENCE can anyone offer?-**

We don’t need any. Even talking about the nonexistence of something implies its existence in order to negate it. But it is not hard to argue that god (if it exists) is not the way it is said to be.

I.E: omnipotent (all-powerful) and omnibenevolent (all-loving)
If god is omnipotent and omnibenevolent why doesn’t he interfere when someone is being raped or violently killed? A common answer for this is that –paraphrasing the author- “God, in this current age, does not directly interfere with what goes on.” So either he cannot interfere (even if he wants to because he is omnibenevolent) because of the liberty he gave us (leaving him not so omnipotent), or he is kind of cruel and doesn’t care that much to save someone whose existence is in extreme danger.

Please don’t misunderstand me, I respect every religion as the holy message they are; but I think your arguments are not strong enough to prove the existence of such a giant concept as god is, mainly because to make arguments we use language which is a human invention, therefore it’s not perfect and obviously not good enough to discuss about god.

I say all this with a true respect for you, because I also think that the core of any religion is the belief, and as belief it needs neither proof nor rationalization, it’s beautiful and magic as only it can be.

Oh and sorry if I misspelled something or some sentence makes no sense, English is not my native language. I did try my best :)
Good Luck.

Yes, because not doing things that don't actually improve my life at all or make me a better person means I'm lazy.
You know what's lazy is when people go to church once a week thinking that will make them a better person, or praying instead of actually taking action to make things better. Some people just find religion pretty useless, why can't you accept that? What does religion have to do with God anyway, it's pretty obvious that religion is based on man, not God, why would God entrust his will in the hands of some corrupt preacher?

Hmm...I believe in God, but I'm not a super religious person nor will I ever shove religion down someone's throat. That will just make people even more against it.

But the way I see it is, I would rather believe in God than to not believe in him and then find out that he's actually real. If it turns out that he's not real then hey, whatever, it didn't matter anyway. If he is real and one had no belief in him whatsoever then that's a different story...Hopefully that makes sense lol

'The atheists I meet typically can only present very weak reasons for why they don't think God exists. Then on top of that most of the ones who will readily identify as atheistic seem to either just want attention (Ooh, look at me! I'm different!) or have some sort of near-violent vendetta against all things religious. It's weird.'

ahaha, you are that stupid.
where is your solid evidence that there is a god?
what is wrong with people wanting to be different from the formality of religion?
and who are you to tell people that atheism is 'weird' ? it's their choice, they don't have to belive anything if they don't want to and they sure as fuck don't need 'strong' points on why they don't think there is a god, to answer to people like you.
and why, do you make it out like having faith takes so much effort? don't you think there is harder things that people have to fucking deal with?

@bbygirl I also love how you are commenting on us "lazy asses" yet you are posting on IIN. Maybe instead of commenting you should go invent the cure for cancer and homicidal thoughts while you're at it

@bbygrl If he made everything perfect then there would be no suffering, why would he not do that instead?

Elitist.

So I'm gonna make this simple.
There is a God, & Lots of proof.
But It's not about needing to see proof.
Blessed be the people that have not seen, & still believe. I hate when ppl question why does God allow murderers. Why are ppl sick with diseases? When that's why he put You on this earth! To get your "lazy" ass up & help people less fortunate.

go flikr go!

laziness has nothing to do with religion...

I think most atheists are lazy too. But some aren't. I am an atheist myself and I hate the ignorant and stupid atheists as well as the ignorant religious people.

you are completely correct.. and because you're right: no one else matters!! (haha- it's true..) atheists are scared of their own shadow so much that they run away from a truth that is so obvious you would have to be either blind or ignorant just to miss it! religion aside.. god is not religion; It's common sense! if you unplug a lamp from the wall, does it still light up? NO! you're life-source (the energy that keeps our living bodies alive)and any disagreement with that FACT only further proves to rest my case..

People say there is and can be no proof for god's existence, but that isn't necessarily true. In the documentary No Intelligence Allowed with Ben Stein, a valid point is made: the basic unit for living organisms is a cell, and a cell is so complex that the odds of it arising spontaneously from a carbon-based primordial soup a few billion years ago are almost infinitely small. The odds are so small that they can't be taken seriously, given the sheer complexity of a cell.

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I looked this up before becoming an atheist- im obviously very lazy.

5.Judas died how?

"And he cast down the pieces of silver into the temple and departed, and went out and hanged himself." (MAT 27:5)

"And falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all of his bowels gushed out." (ACT 1:18)

6.HAHAHA!!! What!!?
"And Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven." (2KI 2:11)

"No man hath ascended up to heaven but he that came down from heaven, ... the Son of Man." (JOH 3:13)

7. This ones a textbook contradiction- and their right next to each other!

PRO 26:4 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.

PRO 26:5 Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit.

couldnt agree more. Theres a god. stop being so block headed people.

actually atheism is almost as much work as other religions b/c although there is no God to worship, they believe they must struggle with their inherent human nature to be good for goodness sake instead of God's sake.

Agnosticism is the lazy one. It says: God might or might not exist, but this is impossible for me to know so I am not going to worry about any of it.

I'm an atheist, and that's because there is no religion I find well suited to my beliefs. It's not because I'm 'lazy', it's just because I don't believe in most of the stuff they say. It's actually very complicated, at least, for me.

Religion is F.A.I.L.

Fuck you, idiot.

There, short and sweet.

I'm a Christian and so my comment should mean something more than the ones made by atheists.

Atheism isn't because they are lazy, its just another belief.

I know that half the atheists in the world are low lives who think breaking peopels spirits is fun and they hate the fact that we believe in something more wonderful than life itself.
But there are also atheists out there who respect beliefs and are not like that, thats not lazy, trust me.

The masters of Taoist and Zen Buddhism don't believe in any manifestation of Deity.
Zen saying:
If you should encounter the Buddha slay him.
Taoist saying:
We do not ask the question, "Does God exist," because the answer is irrelevant. Things are the way they are, regardless.

Life is in the moment.

BE A DARWINIST!

because Darwinism is dar"WIN"ism!

Heh heh heh

I'm atheist,
I just think that the whole idea of religion is ignorant, judgemental and useless.
I couldn't give a damn if you're religious or not.The only thing that ever bothers me is when people try and prove me wrong or convert me.People have even told me I'm going to burn in hell.That's right my friend told me to my face and told me all my beliefs were useless (I'm vegetarian)
I just think if you can't give me respect then why would I give it to you.
It's not about what proof I have.. after all religion isn't about proof or science. The whole debate is never going to end.

u were brought up in a reigious household- i was not. i dont think that makes me lazy

btw, flickr, you made some good points, it just gets lost when you get all angry and start cursing people out. Your second post filled me with glee because it's so true. The whole thing just makes no sense to me. People should each come up with their own ideas and beliefs, spend their life searching themselves, not spend three hours a week searching for answers in a book that their parents told them to believe in.

Okay folks, please don't judge all nonbelievers based on people like flickr. Jesus Chr-- I mean, holy non-existent god-child! He/she is proof of the biggest problem of all, imo. Extremism, judgmentalism. I find the poster's phrasing disagreeable in some places, too, but overall he/she sounds reasonable and I'm just grateful for that. I think both sides, religious or atheist, have people who believe for all the wrong reasons. You've got the Christians who are brainwashed from youth (I'm sorry, but pounding an idea into a child's malleable mind on a daily basis, stating it as an absolute fact and saying they'll burn in hell if they don't believe - those parents are definitely brainwashing) and blindly believe in this for life without ever thinking for themselves - never wondering 'does this make sense, or if not, is it okay for it to not make sense in that way'? Then you have the atheists who want to rebel against their strict mommy and daddy, or hate going to church and one day find the term for someone who never goes (hopefully they would grow out of only labeling themselves like that). But I think Christians can also be said to be lazy in a way - if they take their hands off the wheel and just accept whatever they're told, they're giving up responsibility and keeping themselves from thinking, questioning and resisting.

I personally don't feel that most atheists are as you describe. I don't think they get into it out of laziness; rather, I think they go to church with their parents a while and listen to what the priest has to say, and find that they can't believe in it or accept it. That's how it was with me. I tried going to church - I went for years and stopped, then gave it another try, but I just could not say I accepted it without being a liar. I don't believe that faith is a choice when it comes to this. It's like if someone pointed to a blue circle and told you it's red, and you had to truly believe it or you'd die. No matter how hard you wanted to, you couldn't actually make yourself mentally go, "okay, yeah, that's pretty red". I don't think you can make yourself want to tell yourself that, either. Bottom line: religion just doesn't work for some people, but it's true that some people avoid it for other reasons entirely (the 'wrong' ones).

First I would like to say could everyone PLEASE stop being SO racist, I am not religous myself, infact I'm aethyist myself, although I do not beleive your idea to be true I do understand where u r coming from. Religion is, once broken down, a basic set of rules for people to follow to set a good example on the world. Religion is generaly started by someone sitting down and thinking, how did it all REALY start! Many ideas were formed, buddism, Hinduism, Christian. Ect. But then scientists of the near modern era found, The big bang, evolution was another quite recent thing (by recent of course I mean under 300ish years) there is No proof that religion is true although the Big G may be out there. But around modern times these comments are proof of the war of opinion. People Will get criticised for what there pinion may be. Like I myself in a recent RE test was posed with the following: Do you think Jesus was Ressurected? I put; No, I do not beleive he ever existed, and was granted with a red zero in my marks box. Anyway I am going a bit off topic here. Please do not criticise any religion or belief no matter how you were raised or how you were brought up....

If it turns out the Big G does exist then screw me sideways. Cool.... Hehe

atheist are not lazy. christians are haters for hating on people that dont belive in the lies they belive. i think its stupid and inconsiderate that christianity or catholism or whatever religoa tryies to make other belive in their shit. i dont like religions that try to say or inforce the thought that there are some people that are lesser and should be slaves, for example women are supposed to be followers and men the leaders. and that women are punished because of eve but adam did nothing wrong he was just seduced. people say that god created men in his formed so jesus must be easy to seduced too. haha.

i prefer to belive in mother nature.

I pick my nose too. All the time. Just not when people are watching, of course. And I don't eat it, now that's gross. But I just can't stand the feeling of having something in my nose. I always pick it out and then feel like I'm clean again!

You are absolutely right. Some atheists just do it for the attention. Others don't think it through and have really weak reasons. I can't stand the ones that just parrot what they heard some other atheist say, even if it can be easily refuted. I don't mind atheism, I just hate when they don't have an intelligent reason for it.

some of us have tried religion, but worshiping a deity makes no sense. Alah, budda, whoever, it still makes no sense. My higher power is me. if i dont do, it aint gunna get done. praying to a non-existant "being" is stupid.

wow. seriously? you need to go out and meet some more of us. our reasons for shunning faith are as varied as yours are for believing. yes, some do it just for the (dare I say) glory (such as my sister, who aligned herself with the Mormons b/c her friends were mormon, friggin missionaries still show up) or people who, like myself, don't feel a need to believe. I see the reasons TO believe, but A. it's illogical and B. I don't need something divine to give me those things

seems like everytime i read a religious debate theres an athiest saying 'dont believe in religion or your a f*cking idiot.' then they state the fact 'how can there be a god'

and i think..why couldnt there be?

ok so for those who dont believe in religion. cool whatever but if there does turn out to be a god your going to hell. bad deal. if there isnt whatever u won the debate but when you die nothing happens so wasnt worth arguing was it

for those that do. if there is a god good your going to heaven. if not. well when u die there will be nothing and hey u tried.

one more for good measure to VsOsx:
Your logic: believing in G-d, despite the lack of proof for Him is analagous and CONGRUENT with belief in unicorns despite lack of proof for their existence.
So according to this logic if you believe in anything at all that can't be proven, then you must believe in all things that can't be proven. This is just does NOT follow.
Let's assume for a second that you are right, then if I believe that a chair exists, I must believe that G-d exists. Can you prove to me the existence of the chair? No...sorry: pointing to a chair and saying "see, a chair exists" is NOT proof...it is merely a show of your ability to perceive what some would call the world of appearance. I'm sure you are one of those people (I am) that liked the Matrix or the Thirteenth floor. These movies illustrate the very "world of appearance" concept I am speaking of. What these showed is that mere cognizance of this "reality" does not make it real. You should think about reading some basic logic books and you will find that the use of the word logic to justify just anything that makes sense to YOU is infelicitous. (the whole point of writing that word is to force you to look it up...then I will have won and you will have hopefully opened a book or at least looked on a good, educated website for the term)

Finally to flickr:
Your opinions are by far the most uneducated. People are "smarter" now than they were several years ago?! Are you really that daft?
Do some research and you'll find that our brains have had this capacity for at least all of recorded human history...and we can infer, from archeological finds, that our entire existence, as this particular species of the genus homo, probably spans at least 10,000 or even the 100,000 years before that.
Like I said, you all need to pick up a book and read it. Grow up America.

As a religious Jew, I would like to add that anything you do, YOU alone are responsible for...especially if you believe in G-d. If you are a realist, then you might be a determinist and thus believe that nothing that you do is under your control. But if you believe in G-d then you have a duty to believe that you make your own choices and so your actions are NOT controlled by the cause and effect (determined) laws of nature. Of course, if you are a realist, you may even deny the causal laws of science...but good luck when that building you're in catches on fire.
As a Jew, we have no real concept of hell...no eternal fire...no eternal damnation. You are responsible for what you do in this life and you will be rewarded or punished according the aforementioned determined causes. You don't need to believe in G-d to believe this...so MisterMo, you are right in this. But logic can still lead us to G-d, though it NEED NOT.

All of you are in need of serious intellectualization. The anti-intellectual western attitude is what leads to ignorant forums like this. I'm sorry to insult, but you are all so blandly covering the topic. I guess the nice way to say this is read a book.

MisterMo:
On your point about religion being brain washing and in response to EVERYONE'S claims about logic:
In Kant's work, written about 230 to 220 years ago, Kant provides a PROOF of morality with G-d as a necessary incentive for morality. It is not that Kant is the be all end all of "rightness." The point is, rather, that there have been many "logical" arguments for G-d's existence...some even stronger than this. You are just wrong to claim that any inclusion of G-d is mere brain-washing. I'm sure there is a lot of the brain-washing you speak of, but that does not mean that all belief in G-d is brain washing.
Another example would be the teleological proof for G-d (offered years before Kant):
Everything in the universe has a purpose, like a clock or a planet or a sun, etc. That these all work together suggests that the entire universe is like a clock (with many useful parts all doing their thing to affect some unified outcome). Anything that has a purpose MUST have been designed. The universe has the properties of this unified purpose (like a clock). (a necessary implied assumption: G-d, if he exists, displays human properties so much that he is like us enough to have the quality of being a designer)Therefore there must be a designer and this designer must be G-d.
There is also the cosmological proof of G-d and there are several proposed, present-day 'proofs' of G-d's existence.
All these tend to show is that logic is NOT out of the mix where G-d comes in...
If you object to this, then consider for a second the idea that G-d does NOT exist. Have you any proof of that? There are in fact many proofs of that, but logic is fairly useless at deriving truth.
This problem of finding truth when logic fails us has been a problem since Socrates, or even before.
That anyone ON HERE thinks they can say anything is true is nothing but complete hilarity to me.
This is why subjectivism is the way to go. Everyone's reality is theirs to do with as they please. In other words, let people believe in whatever they want. What do you care, as long as you can still be you at the end of the day? I say this with love: If being you entails changing other people, then you should seriously re-evaluate your life.

Nietzsche made the claim that so called realists are guilty of being so egotistical as to believe that reality is exactly as it appears to them...that of all the people in the cosmos reality has been "unveiled" before THEIR eyes. What is so much more cogent about the arguments for atheism? G-d's existence is just as ridiculous to some as the existence of gravity. For example, does anyone on here know exactly what gravity is... The only available "definition" involves how we describe the EFFECTS of gravity, but NOT how we describe gravity. For example, we can look at a fire and know what the fire is and what it does. All we know is what gravity does and we merely ASSUME its existence. For a religious person, reality is such that G-d is the uncaused cause. For a "realist," reality is something else with no explanation for the uncaused cause. What real arguments for G-d's NONEXISTENCE can anyone offer? And like the person who posted this said, what arguments can the atheist (realist) offer? It turns out that Nietzche was the epitome of atheists...he was a nihilist, which entails not so much a belief in nothing, but no belief at all and no anything at all. The point is that reality is more subjective than either side thinks, and the sooner we accept this, the sooner people from both sides can come together in agreement as a community of subjectivists.

In response to anyone that says this guy is stupid: Re-evaluate how much you thought about your own position before you accuse of others of not thinking much about theirs.

In response to those would be bible-thumpers: Don't post arguments that tend to favor religiosity as you are making it harder for the rest of us to be spiritual in our own ways. The atheists have no agenda...YOU do. STOP. There are places to promote religion and a public forum is NOT one of them.

Hows about we all just live in harmony without judging what religion or lack of religion someone follows?
Don't you find it a bit ridiculous that everyone is fighting over how ignorant and unenlightened the other side is by using statements that are ignorant and unenlightened?
If you want you worship Jesus Christ, go ahead. If you think Buddah was God, who is anyone to detest that? If you think that God is a crock of shit, that's just how you feel.

Of course anyone can and will have opinions about religion, but don't try to force someone into following someone that they don't click with. There's as many ways to get to god as there are souls, and I don't see god as a set of rules. I see god as hope and love, something to believe in that is greater than you are.
Don't bash someone just because your idea of god looked different, the whole message is love and acceptance and a lot of the "mainstream" religions today focus on who's right when it shouldn't be a competition. Be happy for someone who has found something they feel makes them important, but in return don't shove your morals down a persons throat, it's a lost cause and just gets people upset.

HAHAH ...PLEEEZ GO FOLLOW THE OTHERS YOU LAZY SHEEP. for u to think on your own would be too much work ..

haha, you pretty much just walked into a violent debate.

but like you said "It seems to me that many of these people who have weak reasoning have fooled themselves into really believing their own crap."

isn't that pretty much Christianity.

I have noticed most atheist come across very angry and seem to be most upset with Christians. I don't get why they show so much emotion for something they say they don't believe exists.

I've just slated someone for saying that Christians are deluded and I must kind of slate you too now.

I am very much a Christian, I go to church once or twice a week and run the youth group there. Whilst I agree that some people might not want to follow the same way of life as me because they want to have sex, swear, get drunk etc some people might simply not believe. A Buddist might say that a Christian is lazy as they have not studied Buddist religious works.

there are so many more scientifically proven facts out there....such as your precious little god created the world in 7 days and he created man at a certain day and all that crap....sorry but science makes more sense and uses more logic

i like to believe in things that have facts behind them to prove the reality of things

ike heaven and hell....wtf like
if you gotta die to go to heaven or hell...how would anyone know about them? explain that with your precious religion

There are plenty more Athiests with reasons than you think.
There's all the science that's been too close to being proved that anyone cares about the 1%% chance of it being fake. There's the big bang, there's evolution. There's all that stuff. Athiesm is probably deeper than religion, anyway.

Christians people think atheists are close minded and atheists thing christians are close minded. The neverending battle.. This is why I'm buddhist.

I was a devout catholic all my life, as was my entire family. In the Space of 2 years, I lost two of my grandparents suddenly and tragically, my cousin who is 21 got cancer, my sister had a twins, one of whom died after a day due to malpractice, AND the catholic church became steeped in scandal about child abuse, as did our local catholic hospital, and some of it's victims are my friends. How the fuck am I meant to kneel and pray to a god who lets that shit happen? I lost all faith and belief in god, religion, jesus or anything else. Watching my baby sister go through the pain of losing her child because somebody fucked up was enough for me to feel that there can't be a god. And if you think that was an easy conclusion to come to, you are stupid. Losing your faith is a very hard, very painful thing to go through, but if that's what someone believes let them. Being judgemental of atheists is the same as being rascist, you need to let everyone make their own descisons in life. It's not like it affects you anyways, you jackass, so back off.

Also, I'd like to think if there was a god, he wouldn't allow people like you.

Fuck you.

If you honestly think anyone can simply stop believeing in something at will, rather that doing so after ages of thinking, then YOU'RE the one who doesn't think about stuff much.

Only the ignorant posess the luxury of believeing what they want to believe.

im agnostic and could say that you have "no life" for praying to a "imaginary" being that you have never met and would do anything for it because a book says he real... a book that was writen along time ago that people would believe me if I pulled a giraffe out of my ass and said it was magic. back then people were really gulable (spelling?idk) TBH i believe your mary, the virgin mother of jesus, was a slut and her husband and friends believed her when she said that she never slept with another guy and therefor thought the child was a miracle to had been born.

Well, I actually thought Flikr had a really good point. Ah well.

LOPLOLOLOLOL JUST GOD DAMN GIVE ME A REASON TO SPEND 10 HOURS A MONTH AT CHURCH WORSHIPPING SOMETHING I DON'T BELIEVE IN.

Would you goto miley cyrus' concert if you didn't favor her music?

Show me the proof that your god exists.

A Good Reason For Being an Atheist
ummm...fucking science?

Lazy way out of the "religious part of life"? What like I'm trying to get out of doing my homework? You talk about religion as though it's some type of cultural imperative, something that we are morally required to partake in. In doing so you ignore the fact that morality and religion are not necessarily related. For example: the question of whether to pirate music or not is a moral rather than a religious one (I doubt that there's anything in the Bible about MP3's). Certainly your moral decision may be informed by your religious beliefs, but it's still an issue that requires a MORAL stance to be taken, and you don't need a religion to have a moral opinion. You are making a connection where there is none. Atheism does not necessarily imply moral laziness.

You obviously know nothing about atheism. Why don't you read a book--one by Sam Harris or Richard Dawkins--before you say anything?

I'm just going to say, I don't think that most Atheist people do it because they are lazy, ever since I was a kid. I went to church(Of course back then I was a mischievous little b@stard). And when I was about 9, my parents got divorced. I found myself looking up at the sky, and I just thought that god was just some entity people like to have faith in to solve their problems and make their life a bit less stressful to them. I don't find these people stupid, America was built on freedom of religion. Even though it isn't exactly what it used to be, and probably never will be. I respect that idea. When I was in middle school I didn't go around telling all of my friends I was Atheist, I think only two of them actually knew. Its not that I was afraid to tell them, Its just that I didn't exactly think it was important. I've always done what I think is right, and not because someday when I die I'm going to be judged, simply because its the right thing to do. I am Atheist, but I can't say that god can't exist. After all even if you can't prove he's real you also can't prove he's fake. Its also not about being smart, if you say your Atheist because it makes you feel smarter, as I stated above people who believe in their god's need a way to feel assured, that doesn't sound stupid to me. Of course Religion causes a bunch of wars and fuss. But as long as their are two people on this planet there will be war.

I'd rather get my sleep and do more productive things than drive to church and try to stay awake and end up wasting my Sunday. You can read, watch films, get inspired, paint, etc. Or catch up on some z's. Be honest. What percentage of you believers actually enjoy the sermons? Do you go to church because it's fun and you honestly believe you're spending a day well or is it because you feel you are inclined to? Atheism is not being lazy. It's a way to conserve time and energy. It's being smart.

I don't believe in God, because I don't see a reason to believe.

I think that religion causes too much arguments. Just let the people be the way they want to live and if judhement day comes then they should be judged on themselves as a person ans not what they did or didn't believe. But I do agree that some atheist just do not understand the religious views of hope and faith so they cause as much problems

Wow this is such ignorant logic. People are lazy if they don't believe in god. Life is about expercience. Each person will have different expriences and therefore different view points. I would say most atheists are not that way just so they can sleep in or because they want to have sex. The truth is noone KNOWS what happens when we die. People have come up with all different kinds of ideas to deal with this. Some have a belief in god, others in reincarnation, others in a cessastion of conciousness. We will all die, we all won't know what happens when we die until we die. That's the truth. I think its very simplistic and norrow minded to say people who don't believe in god are inherantly lazy. I have known quite a few christians that by my standards are lazy, they never work to improve their situation because "god will take care of them" I also know christians who believe god helps them that help themselves. I know atheists that are that way because they were raised to be, and I know some who had to do a lot of researching and soul searching to come to that place. There is no proof of god, but science isn't infallible. If science was always accurate at some point the earth was flat, and the universe would have revolved around earth and not the sun. I think everyone is best if they hold what they value close, but always show respect to those that may have different values. Different doesn't mean bad or less than, it means different.

Before I begin, I'm not atheist. I was raised Protestant and now I consider myself Agnostic until I figure it out for myself. But, has it occurred to you that some people don't want to spend their entire lives shoving religion down others' throats and being scrutinized for everything they do? How are you to decide on a religion when FACE IT CHRISTIANS! there is NO proof. Actually, historically speaking there's more proof that Jesus was more of a magician than anything. Is not a Rabbi to be married? Argue the idea that Jesus was a Rabbi, I dare you. Look at what people claim him to be and you will see what I'm talking about.

When I die, if there is a heaven, i know I will be going there because in my life I have helped others, I have put others first, and I have made an effort to not harm anyone in any way-whether it be physically or emotionally. However, when I HAVE, I try to make up for it. I'm not going to waste my life hoping I picked the right religion. Instead I know I'll die a happy, good person, let God, or whoever do with me as he she or it pleases.

I don't like the way you say "Atheism to me just seems lazy".

It seems to me that you are judging EVERY atheism out there. And that's just plain mean.
Of course I've read your text about that ONE atheism you think is OK. But it still means you are looking at us atheism with your bad eye.

Try to relax and stop hating on people you don't even know. I'm an atheism, and I do think I have my clear reasons to be one, NOT because I'm lazy and don't want to go to church. Trust me. Stop your hating and you'll get much happier, even if you're atheism or religious.

Peace ^^

Atheism, for me anyway, is certainly not a cop out from religious life. People don't decide to become atheists because they couldn't be bothered going to church. I consider myself an atheist on the grounds that I do not subscribe to any religious beliefs or texts. I don't accept the notion of blind faith, and I can see no reasonable evidence to support the notion of the existence of a God. But that's just me.
Atheists are just as capable of living moral lives as any religious people, nor do atheists need the threat of eternal damnation to do so!

Okay, I can sit here and refute these answers all day- but Im not going to do that. Even if there was hard core proof that Godexisted which some say there is, I wouldnt be worried about that. Believing in God -faith is something that comes from within its not brainwashing or anything like that. Its a sort of knowing that goes beyond hard core evidence, or anything that is tangible. It is above that it is much more than that. Faith is a beautiful thing, I didnt have much of it until I was saved a a year ago. But it was something i wanted and strived for and prayed for. No disrespect to any of you though. Do atheists believe in the soul?

Seeing that you are a strong believer in god, saying that you think atheists are lazy, i have to say this.

Where is your "GOD" when a person is suffering death?
Where is your "GOD" when a 2 year old dies of a birth disorder?
Where is your "GOD" when 10 million people were slaughtered during World War II?
Where is your "GOD" when wars are declared?
Where is your "GOD" when our world suffers in poverty, racism, global warming, starvation, murders, robberies,etc...

What I'm trying to say is, atheists have their reasons for not believing, and religious people have theirs for believing its not because they are lazy.

Now what I think is lazy is dislexia, (dunno spelling) i mean come on, "I can't read this cuz I'm dislexic" but that could just be the environment i live with in school.

Sigh.

The Bible was created because nobody had/has any idea how the earth was created, they were scared of death and needed to create a Heaven, and to control people out of fear.

I find it amusing you say people who disbelieve in a God cant argue correctly, when a Christian on being questioned as to why they believe in a God will tap their chest and say 'I have faith'.

I myself can point out plenty of errors in the Bible, which would shatter your faith since the Bible is the word of God and God doesn't make mistakes.

Also, it isnt lazy to think things through and realize that the Bible is a tonne of shit. It's lazy to believe everything you're told because you don't have the energy to think for yourself.

Besides, the rule theory doesn't work, people break those rules all the time. 'thou shalt not kill'. But people who believe in God kill all the time because they think they are following God's orders.

Fish, cannibalistic child killer says that he 'knows what he was doing wasn't wrong because an angel never stopped him'.

And there you have it.

By now, you should be seriously considering your faith, but you won't, because even though all the facts are here, curb stomping your fairy-tale, you decide that even though nothing but a book of lies which is s'posed to be created by an all knowing being who never makes mistakes but holds many contradictions, supports your faith, that you still 'know what he did, he did'.

But remember, you are not God. If you are as allknowing as he is, you KNOW what he did, he did, then you are just as Godly as he, and he just as man as you, and not divine at all.

So, can you argue?

I completely agree with you that atheism seems lazy - My athiest friend and I get into theological discussions and most recently my friend's last arguement was along the lines of: "why bother putting faith into something that might not even be real" ... seems kind of lazy to me.

some one here posted somethign saying: religion = bad, spirituality = good

i think organized religion = bad, spirituality = good is a bit more accurate. For example, you can follow what the bible says and not belong to any denomination (that would be being religious) and through that you could be being spiritual.

about me? i consider myself deist and beleive in predestination.... which i can see as being the easy/lazy way out of having to be either spiritual or religious in my own manner.

Atheism is really about viewing religion as superfluous. Not wrong, not stupid, just unnecessary. Anything beyond that is simply I'm-smarter-than-you posturing.

Albert Einstien took his pocket watch apart put in a sack shook it up and dumped on the table he then wrote down where all the peices landed. He did this a hundred times not onces did any two peices fall together that went together.... Now with that being said how his it that this solar system is in perfect order lets take jupiter for example it's job is to draw attention and pull meteorites in towards it thus making so less of a chance for us to get hit. I don't know the purpose for the other planets save it for earth but I belive it's all for a reason

Yes, I believe in God and hell and eternal damnation but I would rather wank off in bed and eat Coco Pebbles on Sunday mornings than save my immortal soul.

technically I'm not an athiest, because not all religions believe in a god. I tell people that one of the easiest reasons I don't beleive in god is that I believe that dinosaurs existed which pretty much cancels out believing in creationism. Also the Bible and any other religious writings were written by a man or multiple men who never met god, or even existed at a time where they could have. I don't understand how anyone could interprate the writings as fact.

ok, story author. 1st thing: since when was not having sex in the ten commandments?
u need to open ur fucking mind just bcuz sum1 doesnt share the same views as u does not make them lazy. u no what it makes them? a threat to ur religion bcuz u classify that way. CHristians think that they are rite and ne1 who doesnt agree is misguided and going to hell but atheists just dont belive in god bcuz u cant prove that god exists except by word of mouth. by being atheist ur not neccesarily saying christians are dumb ur saying that u just dont agree with the christian way of life.

"It seems to me that many of these people who have weak reasoning have fooled themselves into really believing their own crap."
uhhh that sounds exactly like what ur doing u hypocritical bitch. u just need a crutch in society to lean on because u cant handle the idea of not having ur own fucking god and just dying, not going to fucking paradise. Y the fuck would anyone NEED god or religion in their life? do what u like but dont say its necessary and anyone who doesnt have it is a dumb lazy asshole. U ignorant small minded hypocrital whiny religious fanatic.

Idiocy is distributed evenly among all beliefs and racial groups. I know atheists with as poor reasoning for their beliefs as the dumbest believers I know. I will, however, say that you don't need particularly good reasons NOT to believe in any entity that can violate the laws of physics.

Also, I do not know any amoral atheists. You don't need the ten commandments to know what is right and wrong. I'm certain such people exist, but they're on the same level as the KKK and Al Qaeda.

I prefer to live and let live, but when people start calling others bad to justify themselves, I get pretty angry. If I were not angry, I'd probably have the sense to not even bother posting here. Only idiots take these things seriously, and the person who wrote the "question" is probably trolling anyway. At least I hope he/she is a troll, because those really are some exceedingly dumb and ignorant things to say.

I don't understand how you think atheism is a lazy way out of the religious part of life... Atheists are not religious so religion in not a part of their lives in the first place. I find that in many cases religion consumes people lives... that's all they think about they live for God.. whatever! Just bloody well live your life... you should live for yourself! Anyways, I'm not gonna get into that but...

Someone who is an atheist doesn't believe in the existence of God, which is they're right! Just like you have the right to believe in God. Just because someone doesn't believe in the existence of God doesn't make them lazy.

You have no way of proving that there is a God or that one exists... Prove it!
It's about your own personal beliefs and people have the right to believe what they want whether they choose to believe in the existance of a god or not!

Just because some people don't attend church, it doesn't mean they don't believe in god! But I do agree that sleeping is much more fun than church! Plus there are better things I can do with my time and life rather than spending it listening to people preach about God.

i was catholic for a while. i liked the wafers and the church was very cozy in the wintertime. but then i started really listening to the sermons and they were total bullshit.

one sermon in particular concerned the "pagan" holiday of halloween. the father said that it was alright for devout catholics to participate and wear costumes because this was actually mocking and making fun of the "backward beliefs " of the druids.

i wonder how he'd have felt if someone dressed as a nun to make fun of the backward beliefs of catholicism. also, i thought the druids at least had an excuse for their beliefs, being as they lived in the 11th century. so what excuse did the good father have for his beliefs??

I left the church and never went back.

There is no evidence for the supernatural or miracles. Atheists are not lazy they are just accepting the realities of life. I used to be a Christian until I woke up and saw the light (dark depending on how you look at it) all I know is that this life is all there is so why not eat, drink and be merry for tomorrow we die! Sounds like good advice.

Has Tom Cruise not taught you guys anything?

I'm atheist, I don't get pissed off or annoyed if I know someone is religious, I just accept it and move on.

But I do have two questions about God's existance.

Do you believe in God?
Do you believe in Unicorns?
There is no proof for either, so if you believe in God, you MUST believe in Unicorns, vice-versa.

Most atheists I meet are more educated and regard humanity at a higher respect than religious people.

Most religions teach you to objectify and criticize people who are not in the same religion. That divides us as humanity and weakens us as a whole.

Religion is bad. Spirituality is good.
Atheist simply do not practice a religion.
Hence A-theist...

Theism is the study of religion. but I am sure you know that already...

So don't make such ignorant generalized statements. Thanks.

Evolution is simple.

If evolution is real, why are dolphins the second smartest mammal on earth? Wouldn't monkeys be smarter since we suppossedly evolved from them? Why are monkeys still here? How could humans be around for so long without becoming extinct? Seriously, I just want to know your opinions on that I'm not trashing evolution even though I truly don't believe in it at all.

Since the dawn of time people have always believed there is something out there that created them, I think atheism is a form of rebellion, but who am I to judge?

well...if someone that believes in God gives me a veeeery strong proof for his existence,maybe i will think about not saying that you are narrow minded and stupid

It is fairly common in life because you believe ur own crap. I will tell you this YOU HAVE as much proof of GOD as I have of a pink dinosaur outside my window. On the other hand humans have an ever expanding knowledge about the world we live and there is not a single proof that good exists and almost infinite proof that evolution is how we came about. Read Richard Dawkins books he explains everything in detail. http://richarddawkins.net/RDbooks

OMFG Religion sucks nuts please tell me where is the proof that a God even exists? In a story book written by a bunch of ancient stoners or trippers cause they were bored????and im sorry but to me atheism isnt being lazy no matter how much you think it through, its logical, the bible contradicts itself so often and just does not make sense... being religous is being lazy not thinking for yourself and believing something your told too... so please stop using 'God' as an excuse for being a narrow minded bigoted asshole