Being a vegan/beegan is certainly not lazy

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It's not for lazy people, you would have to get your hands dirty on protesting and activism. Making videos to push meat eaters to be vegan, arguing with them and never changing your mind about veganness and setting up a table in public about veganism on those videos, even to the point where you go to school for training people into being vegan and the whole community changes their diet, is vegan like you is extremism by default, it would've been moderation if you just protested, wore the clothes, and ate the diet without activism or going any further than that, which is abolitionist veganism, but to push it further, by thinking about veganism all the time, to the point where you're even vegan in your dreams, when you sleep, that you write vegan books on your PC as "positive" reinforcement to train everyone to be vegan like you and giving non-vegans your vegan snacks and forcing your mother in a positive way to be vegan like you, that I call extreme, but I take this extreme with beeganism, philosophically I think it's wrong to eat animals, full stop, and that taking honey isn't "stealing" but borrowing, it's good for your health, doing this isn't for lazy people, you have to get up off your arse and literally make a difference. Thinking about animals while I'm eating? I'm not thinking when I eat, I'm feeling I get more peace knowing there's no fish in my food.

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  • GaelicPotato
    3 years ago | pl

    pushing people to eat what you eat is disgusting.

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    • Hansberger
      3 years ago

      It's not enough for a beegan/vegan to just sit there and let people commit the crime of eating animals, they have to be active pushing governments and companies to care!

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      • GaelicPotato
        3 years ago

        Oh Hans.

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  • Cliche1234
    3 years ago

    Does beegan means a person who only eats bees while saving other animals and vegetables?

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    • Hansberger
      3 years ago

      No, it means being 100% plant-based in what you eat and drink and also eating bee's honey.

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  • Inkmaster
    3 years ago

    Is there a question in that long winded, self-righteous rant, or...?

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  • Boojum
    3 years ago

    Your post is the usual chaotic word-salad, but thanks for mentioning "beeganism". Since I'm a beekeeper, I should have heard of that term before, but somehow I haven't.

    Just to be clear: beekeepers don't "borrow" honey from their hives. Peta and all the other animal rights whackjobs are wrong about so much, but they are correct when they say beekeepers steal honey from bees. There's also some truth in their accusations that beekeepers treat their bees badly; some do, especially large-scale commercial producers.

    Something that's ironic is that most vegans will eat fruits and tree-nuts with a perfectly clear conscience, but the fact is that a lot of that will only exist because bees kept by a beekeeper pollinated the blossom. California almonds are a notorious example, since some big beekeeping outfits in the States make a good part of their annual income from the pollination fees paid by almond growers. Thousands of beehives are trucked around the USA every spring and early summer, following the blossom from one crop to another. Those beekeepers obviously want their bee colonies to survive from year to year and to be in good health, but it's a pretty unnatural lifestyle for the bees, they do suffer stress with every move, and all that movement has been implicated in the spread of diseases and other bee problems.

    Like most hobby-beekeepers, we only have a few hives (at the moment, seven). I won't get into all the details, but basically we let our bees get on with doing what comes instinctively. We mess with them as little as possible, and our main concerns are ensuring that the colonies are healthy, they aren't being bothered by parasites or predators, their hives are weather-proof and they have enough food to get through the winter. Like all beekeepers who want to get honey from their bees, we do trick them into storing honey in a way that makes it easy for us to steal it a couple of times a year, but we do this in such a way that it really doesn't cause much disturbance at all to the life of the colony.

    If your main concern is animal welfare, you shouldn't be buying honey from a supermarket. Most of that stuff is blended from honey bought from all over the world, and a lot of it will have come from beekeepers who treat their bees badly. It's also very likely that some of that "honey" will be nothing more than the product that bees produce when a beekeeper feeds them syrup made from white sugar. If you do this, you can get an astonishing amount of what is honey in chemical analysis terms from a hive, since the bees don't have to spend so much time flying around gathering nectar, but it's not really honey as most people would understand the term.

    If you want to be ethical about your honey, you need to put in a little more work and find a local, small-scale beekeeper who seems to you like the sort of person who will treat his bees with respect. You also need to be prepared to pay more for their honey than you will for a jar from a supermarket that contains honey from who knows where.

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    • Mammal-lover
      3 years ago

      Do beekeepers generally let the bees keep some honey for winter as nature intended? Or do you supply them with a different food?

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      • Boojum
        3 years ago

        Honeybee colonies need honey to survive the winter. Exactly how much a colony needs depends on its size going into winter and how low the winter temperatures get. In cold climates, the bees may need 100 pounds (45 kg) of honey to survive. Where we live in the UK, winter temperatures rarely get below 10°C, so our bees can cope fine on 45 pounds (20 kg).

        One of the main skills of beekeeping is being able to judge how much honey you can safely take from the hive without setting up a situation which means your bees will starve over winter.

        Many - probably most - beekeepers routinely feed their hives syrup made from white sugar in the late autumn, a couple of months after they've taken the final honey harvest of the year. The sucrose in sugar syrup is chemically no different to the nectar the bees get from flowers, so they have no problems converting this into honey. Bees are generally pretty good at judging how much honey they need, so a wise beekeeper will feed them syrup until they stop taking it.

        Some beekeepers are convinced this is unhealthy for the bees, since the sugar syrup lacks the trace nutrients that nectar contains. That's a matter of debate, as are the financial calculations with the expense of buying sugar on one side of the balance sheet, and the lost possible income from reducing how much honey you have to sell on the other side.

        Beekeeping is a hobby for us, and we mainly do it because it's interesting. Since we're not obsessed with maximising our honey harvest, our bees generally get through the winter on nectar-honey. But the weather in Wales can sometimes turn miserable in late summer, and there have been years when the bees just haven't been able to gather nectar for weeks on end and we have fed them syrup.

        Background info you may already know:

        A lot of people assume that bees hibernate over the winter. Most species of wasps and bees deal with winter by a lone queen that's loaded up with fat (and sperm) finding a dry, sheltered place and going into a state of torpor until the weather warms up, when she then starts a new colony.

        In a healthy honeybee colony, a few thousand workers and the single queen will survive the winter. The workers instinctively stay in the hive when the outside temperature is below about 10°C (50°F), but all the bees in a hive are active right through the winter. When the outside temperature drops, they form a tight cluster that crosses several layers of comb, and they maintain a temperature at the centre of the cluster - where the queen and any brood is - that's just a few degrees below human body temperature.

        The way they produce the heat necessary for that is by shivering: they disconnect their wing muscles from their wings and quiver the muscles. The energy for that exertion comes from the honey they've stored up over the previous summer. So basically, honey serves the same function for bees as the fat on a hibernating bear or a stocked up wood pile for humans.

        This is getting off-topic, but one of the odd things about honeybees is how the bees that a hive produces late in the year are physiologically different to bees that emerge in spring and summer. Summer bees live for only six weeks or so after emerging from their cocoon after metamorphosis, while winter bees can live for five months, and they're "born" with much larger fat cells than summer bees, their food glands (which produce royal jelly to feed the queen and brood) are larger and they have lower levels of hormones.

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        • Mammal-lover
          3 years ago

          Dude that's awesome! Thanks for the knowledge

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    • Hansberger
      3 years ago

      So you're proud of this? You want to label yourself stealing from bee's hives! Whatever floats your boat, I haven't done any injury to beekeepers, perhaps I should go to the USA to try your honey. :)

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      • Boojum
        3 years ago

        I'm not ashamed of what we do, since we treat our bees with respect and we're playing a tiny, positive part in the local environment by ensuring that there are pollinating insects flying around.

        Yeah, we take honey from the bees that they would have been able to keep from themselves if they were living in a hollow tree or the walls of a building, but in return for that we make sure they have a nice, warm house to live in and that if they do something stupid and lose their queen, the colony doesn't die out.

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        • Hansberger
          3 years ago

          Nice, bees are great. I see the beauty in honey itself, I'm proud if you're proud. :)

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  • Sanara
    3 years ago

    I cant even tell if this is an argument for or against veganism. Kinda sounds like "veganism is too much trouble" all the way.

    Or you could just not use animal products yourself (contrary to what OP thinks), that would be way easier, assuming your body thrives on it and you can reasonably afford it.

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  • litelander8
    3 years ago

    THE THIEF IS BACK!

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    • Hansberger
      3 years ago

      All this is about to change in my own version of liquitarianism. And I've been a liquitarian before, and learned from the psychology of Leo on YouTube on the internet to accept myself the way I am, love it, and not be any other way under any circumstances.

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      • Mammal-lover
        3 years ago

        Someday your gonna look back and the thoughts his was I that fucking retarded are gonna pass through your mind. Unfortunately you'll be going through some new retardation to keep your sad excuse of a life content

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        • Hansberger
          3 years ago

          I have no mental retardation, perfectionists never do anything retarded, perfectionists don't do bad things, perfectionists are not the ones living cheap lives or having low standards like you, and perfectionists are not the ones who are pricks, losers or have a sad life, perfectionists are not the ones attacking on the most excellent people, nor are they attacking on perfection and treating "perfect" like it's a dirty word, the only one at fault is you, all you scoundrels who get frustrated and can't find the tiniest amount of stupidity or imperfections, so you lie telling me I'm retarded and calling my life sad, perfectionists are not the ones who make mistakes, and perfectionists are not the ones who are ever imperfect. Put simply, their shit doesn't stink, they're not human, they're God, and they're not average people. Everything else is mediocrity.

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          • Tommythecaty
            3 years ago

            Hans. Your lack of paragraphs, spacing and rational thought in your long posts and replies, are maddening.

            Though creative and obviously obsessed over, they seem to denote some sort of learning disability.

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            • Hansberger
              3 years ago

              Wouldn't it be out of character if suddenly, for no reason I used a paragraph and wrote in the accepted way? You would find that suspicious, trust me on this!

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          • Clunk42
            3 years ago

            If you're calling yourself a perfectionist, that's a very un-perfectionistic way of thinking. From a perfectionist's point of view, they're always doing retarded things, always doing bad things, always have low standards for their achievements, obsess over the tiniest of details, causing them to be pricks, losers, or to have a sad life, always attack the most excellent people, always attack perfection, avoid using the word perfect like the plague, and find mistakes in everything they do.

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            • Hansberger
              3 years ago

              That sounds like that awful life I used to have, maybe it is. I stopped being a damn perfectionist, so cheer up, you can rest assured by being imperfect, that's perfect!

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          • Mammal-lover
            3 years ago

            Tldr

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