Christians: if god is perfect then why...?

Don't waste your time asking a question like this on isitnormal. If you are really interested in answering these questions for yourself, google "apologetics".

I can't answer that and I'm pretty sure no-one can.

We can all only speculate and form our own opinions, but I suppose we'll never know the truth unless we get the opportunity to ask God himself.

This is all my opinion but because I've pondered this as well, I'll try to give you my opinion on the matter. Pleas don't take any offense to what I am about to say.

To answer your first question, as to why he would cast out one of his angels. I sort of like John Milton's view of Satan in "Paradise Lost." Satan thought he was better than God! How dare an Angel think he is better than his creator. Perhaps God saw that Satan was smarter than him and thought that he would bring the other Angels down to his level, thus he banished him. I don't know why Hell was created other than a place for Lucifer to be, a place to keep him separate from the other Angels.

I think God is imperfect himself, if he created Man in his own image then he must be imperfect. He probably created Man as a way to leave something in the world.

In conclusion, I don't think God likes Perfection.We need evil to exist in the world but we also need good as well. Without misery people would be idiots. We need sad things to happen in our lives in order to make us stronger. We need good things in our lives so we appreciate the precious moments. I think that Lucifer needs to exist, but I also think that he should be kept at bay from God. Lucifer is poison, he is corruption in every form, but he is necessary for man. Does that make sense?

That's why i'm atheist, all religions for me are nonsense.

All angels were perfect until Lucifer. God LET him have his ways and let everyone else who wanted to join him, join him. He didn't let him go. Lucifer left.

You asked some good questions.

Good questions and Anime7's answer was very good. I agree with him.

However, about this question: "Why are there so many rules that man must follow, or else be doomed to go to the Hell God allowed to be made?". There is a huge difference between the old and the new testament. The Old Testament is full of people being punished for not obeying God's laws, but the New Testament is full of stories about love and forgiveness.

In the New Testament, it is said many times that just believing in and loving Jesus is enough to be saved. The God's laws are still there and we're supposed to follow them, but we are no longer expected to be perfect.

I think God knew that the way humans are, they will never live up to all His expectations. Thus, to keep it short: Jesus died for our sins (symbolic act), and a new era began, so to speak.

Just saying what came to my mind. :)

Loving us means that we have free will. This means that we are more than just puppets.

Well I'm not very experienced in this topic, but I'll take a crack at it.. I think that God, who is perfect, made us imperfect, to show us what imperfect sinners we all are. He wants us to see that He is perfect and holy and wants us to admire him. If we were perfect, we would just think of God as some other person, He wouldn't have much appeal to us anymore. Well that's my opinion.. I did my best. It's even a tough question for me.

Hi OP,

Thank you for phrasing your questions in a way that is constructive and not hurtful. Many people on the net forget religious people have feelings too.

I have a partial answer to your question, 'why didn't god create a perfect world?'.
I think it's about free will, which lauded French mathematician and philosopher René Descartes called the highest human perfection. If god made a world that was perfect and practically heaven, would people be truly free? What do you think?

There is one idea about suffering from philosophy and god. Humans are defined by suffering, goes this line of thinking, and we are carved into whatever we are by what we experience. Soul making, they call this.

However, why make it like that?

You ask for a hateful comment? All right, then. I WILL give you one:

Be more fucking original.

If you're going to say how bogus Christianity is, sorry, but thousands of other people of done it already. If you're going to be the stereotypical asshole atheist, then try at the VERY LEAST be original. At the VERY LEAST, TRY to say something that thousands of other people HAVEN'T said already.

I fucking hate atheists like you. I can already tell; you're the kind of atheist that makes fun of people for practicing any kind of religion. You're the kind of atheist that thinks anyone who practices Christianity, or Judaism, or Islam is an idiot, no matter how good of a person they are, or how intelligent they are.

There are so many anti-Christianity posts on IIN, already; why even bother making one? Why even bother making another anti-Christianity post, you moron? So you can get a pissed off reaction from someone like me? Someone like me, who actually isn't as religious as I could be, who actually UNDERSTANDS WHY atheists think the way that they do, but still get treated like I'm stupid by those very same atheists because I believe in something they don't believe in?

Well GUESS WHAT. You FUCKING GOT THAT REACTION. You FUCKING GOT THE REACTION THAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR.

I hope you have a very pleasant day, knowing that you made one of the most unoriginal posts ever, knowing that you've made the exact same points that every. Single. Atheist. Has. Ever. Stated. Ever.

And also, no. No, I'm not from Westboro. Those guys are terrible human beings. And if you are a troll, then screw you.

because their needs to be a place for the good to go and a place for the bad to go is why he made it and plus theirs evil in this world. anything online god wouldn't approve of not even the online-bible of his on here because the computer is the devil is what i was told

God made us in His image means that he gave us the ability to think, analyse and reason. We are free to do whatever we want with these abilities. God has made us free.

I think you're oversimplifying the idea of perfection. We know what we think is perfection (no war, suffering, etc.) but what if this is not the case. I mean Christians in general claim god is perfect, so what if that is the only truth we know? If god is perfect but only perfect by a different standard, it throws everything off. Also, most of these things come as a result of free will and so maybe god is simply the embodiment of choice, thus creating humans in his image.

The devil part has always eluded me and I have no answer for that part.

By the way, I was raised Catholic and now am more Agnostic.

I take it you haven't studied the philosophy of religion, there are so many theories to answer what you've just posted.

Truthfully I believe all religions have flaws and are a waste of time. If others wish to believe such things then that's fine by me but I don't see why they would.

cause humans are like ants and like the community atmosphere? and the little rules keep this going, maybe they dont see the big picture , the entity standing above the nest