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Have you ever been around people with Asperger's or autism? Do they ever get under your skin and drive you up the wall and make you wish someone would just exterminate them from the gene pool? Does anyone here hate dealing with them and think they're nothing more than useless wastes of space?
What makes you feel so annoyed by them? If it is that they have trouble understanding others, I would recommend you work on that yourself. Autism effects the way someone perceives the world and much of their annoying behavior can be worked on if you have some patients. You do not sound so plesant to be around yourself.
I'm a diagnosed aspie and schizo and I realize I irritate people a lot because they tell me, but I feel the same way about them as well. It's not easy when you're not compatible with society.
I'm just taking a general consensus. I'm just trying to see how people feel. You'll see this story has a twist in the plot.
I was figuring this was a troll post to get people worked up over since it seems this site has about a 20% autistic population.
Not quite! I have Asperger's, too. I'm trying to figure out how normal people think because I'm on the fence about whether or not I should tell my future employers considering I got canned in the past for it. My former employers were too chicken shit to say it to my face, so they beat around the bush thinking I couldn't connect the dots.
I think you revealed that too soon to get the responces you are looking for since you just posted this. You are also asking the wrong crowd for that. Try yahoo anwsers. As for getting fired you can maybe sue for discrimination. I find it's best not to bring it up unless somebody else does.
I agree. Do you hate it when people just rant on and say things tantamount to hate crime? I do.
Curse it all, I was so determined to vote this down but I accidentally voted it up. Can't they put an 'undo' or something in? Geez.
I had a gym class that centred around helping students with down syndrome, autism, Aspergers, etc. get their exercise. Before then, I hadn't ever really heard about these syndromes (only the names), but I'm very glad I now know better.
Every single one of them is human with their own, unique personality, just as every other person has. No matter which end of the spectrum they were on, each student was delightful to work with. Of course, some students would be very violent or uncooperative at times, but we worked around this. I never once got annoyed by any student, no matter how uncooperative they got.
I have to admit I felt a little pity at first, but that quickly wore off as the classes went on. We organized different activities for them, catering to their needs as best as we could. Some students's hand-to-eye coordinations weren't sufficient enough to toss a ball, for example, so we'd have those students use their feet instead. My favourite part was hearing all their laughter, seeing them all happy. A couple students had a much higher degree of autism than the others, enough that they could only communicate by sounds, and were lost in their own world...but they were happy, dangit. Geez. We got them to smile on a few occasions, and that made my day.
TL;DR. No, they're not annoying. IMO, people who feel spite/annoyance towards other people because of the way they were born are intolerant, impatient punks. If someone can't have patience towards someone who's had no fault in the way that they were born, gives up because of the communication barrier (which can be overcome with patience and understanding), and/or (especially) thinks negatively of them to the point they wish death upon them, they're a real rotten person. I wouldn't be able to look at someone like that, let alone be friends with them. Someone that ignorant would have to have their head wrenched out of their arse and then swatted repeatedly with a rolled-up Sunday newspaper.
I'm glad to hear that. Your statement assuages the way you voted. I'm grateful to know you also took the time to understand. They grow on you, don't they? As far as your last sentence, you weren't kidding. People who think that way deserve to die alone and an awful death. The only thing for which I get impatient is to see those wretched people get their comeuppances fast.
I remember a few years back in high school we watched a documentary on the above said subject. Autism, asperger, schizophrenia and some other one I can't pronounce.
It was ridiculous as to how many parents themselves were disappointed at their children's condition (as if the child brought it upon themselves) and felt tthat it could either be cured, hidden, managed (which is understandable) or disciplined to the point that the child would act in a normal manner.
What was really sad was how the parents were so strung up on their kids condition, they hardly knew anything else about them. IQ tests were held, and a child that could barely speak easily scored one-fourty something, on his first go. Another at age eleven who spent his days on his low end desktop was discovered to have been accurately coding objective C the whole time.... With freaking note pad. Another was discovered to have had a photographic memory, while another's basic maths skills could rival a calculator.
I mean some people look down on them while others feel sorry for them. You see them goofing around, acting like they're on cloud nine but honestly.. they need nobody's pity. They're freaking honour students. Yet the parent's were too busy focusing on their (and i quote) 'disability', they knew absolutely nothing of what they could do.
I personally was not smiling. Thing is if people don't get them and get pissed off, it might help to try up their own IQ first. These people are not as stupid as outward appearances suggest.
I mean how many eight year olds do you know with an IQ above 140?
That's because the parents expect their kids to be perfect. It's especially hard for fathers to accept because they don't like thinking there's something wrong with their sperm. My old man was the same way which is exactly why I have nothing to do with him.
Since it was too much of an imposition for him to be seen out in public with a child who was less than perfect, I decided it best not to inconvenience him any longer than I already had.
That, plus the fact that he thought I could help what I had. He's a miserable, sad, toxic old man. But on the bright side, I learned a lot from him. I learned what NOT to be and how NOT to treat people who are different from us.
It does not work like that. The people you are mentioning are autistic savants, which are quite rare. The sad truth is that if you had an autistic kid, he won't have any weird overdeveloped skill in anything. And that my friend is the hardest part to accept, people are just not born with an equal number of skill points.
Quite the opposite usually.. "Normal" people tend to be more annoying. Although its annoying how some autistic people (or more appropriately, their parents) use the disorder as an excuse for them to act like a jerk in public because "they can't help it" even though I've met plenty of autistic people who make an effort to learn and apply proper social etiquette. If they have a legitimate disorder that causes them to be rude then ok, but don't expect others to put up with their crap just because they're "different", that's not how society works.
Ps. This is coming from someone with a lot of autistic traits who has been bullied for it and honestly I appreciate the criticism or for people to point out when I'm acting "weird" or "annoying" otherwise I wouldn't know the proper way to behave in social situations. I do make conscious effort to suppress a lot of my natural habits around others just to avoid making them uncomfortable.
Keep in mind there's a difference between constructive criticism and harsh criticism. Normal people piss ME off, too; especially girls under 25 who act self-entitled and think they deserve nothing less than a man who drives a BMW, a Lexus, or a Mercedes, looks like a supermodel, lives in a McMansion, and has the trendiest clothes from GQ.
The others are the young ones who fall in love with the dipshit/bad boy types thinking the bad boys will come and "rescue them from despair" before they ride into the sunset in his muscle car with the engine roaring and the convertible top down and then sit around and bitch and complain about there not being any good men left because they overlook all the nice guys that treat them well. The "normal" people miss ME off, too, because they tend to be very shallow and self-important.
I don't know a lot of autistic people but I have two friends with Aspergers and their quirks don't bother me any more than anyone else's. I have a lot of friends who have anxiety and OCD and I understand them better than the so-called "normal" people who think they are the paragon of perfection.
My advice about the job: don't tell potential employers about your condition as its none of their business and it can only hurt your chances or hire. Later after you've been there for a while, if you have reason to mention it like people comment on your behaviors then I think it would be Ok.
My female friend with Aspergers makes the mistake of telling everyone up front that she has it and it often prevents people from looking past her condition and getting to know her as a person. You are more than your condition.
Thank you! I don't think I'll tell them until I absolutely have to. You are right though that if I tell them upfront they'll start trying to look for the symptoms rather than me. I spent three years in the military keeping it a secret from everyone, and I was absolutely miserable. The service was quite unwavering, and they were unrelenting towards my quirks. They were too busy trying to pound a square peg into a round hole.
Also, the media has done a fine job pigeonholing us all as sociopaths thanks to the Sandy Hook and UCSB shootings. That's what makes people even more apprehensive. I don't need anyone to hold my dick for me every time I take a piss, and I don't have the mind of a child. I'm not Rain Man.
I'm not a sociopath, either. Would you believe me when I tell you I've never killed anyone, but I've actually saved not one but two people and a cat from dying? I did the Heimlich maneuver on a guy who was choking to death at a restaurant and sprayed a woman down with the dish nozzle after she caught herself on fire at a restaurant where I worked as a dishwasher. The cat had her back end run over and crushed. I got her out of the parking lot and kept an eye on her until the owner got home so she could be taken to the vet, and she lived.
For autism It really depends on what kind they have, the kind where their eyes are vacant and they don't talk but just kinda grunt I wouldn't say it annoys me but it scares the shit out of me. I knew these twin boys with a milder kind but they would become delisional about a lot of things, like one time they was trying to convinence people they wrote the last two harry potters, they know Britney spears and wrote her music. These are grown men! that IS a bit annoying.
I would find that story telling amusing rather than annoying and just go along with it, ask them about the new Harry Potter book they're planning, like I do with small kids telling stories they make up as they go along.
It's even more fun to do it yourself with someone with that mindset - just let your imagination go wild!
I see my last comment to you isn't here. I guess it was deleted because of some of the explicit things I might have said when I remembered you from another thread. Regardless what you're talking about is stimming. Auties and Aspies stim whenever they get overwhelmed and such. That's their coping mechanism of unwinding and venting it out. The other part is probably just their way of manifesting their fantasies because they wish it was true.
Well those are rare instances. They're not all the same. That's why they call it a spectrum. What you're talking about is stimming. They do that whenever they get sensory overloaded. That's their way of unwinding. Fear of the unknown is often what perpetuates ignorance. Some of us have sensory issues as well.
I remember you. You're the one on that other thread who said I would love your cooter because you don't shave it after I posted about No Shave November. The reason I don't like shaved cooters is....well number one I'm not a pedophile. I may be strange, but I'm not attracted to five-year-old looking vajayjays. The other is because it feels like I'm licking sandpaper whenever it gets all stubbly.
Hair down there actually feels softer like a pet and makes it more agreeable. One of the reasons I love animals so much is because of their fur. It's soft and nice to feel whenever get overstimulated which is precisely why I like hairy cooters. That, plus I minored in anthropology. Regardless, I think you get the idea.
I totally agree with your sentiments about shaved women's genitals appealing to pedophiles, although my understanding is that it began in porn movies so the viewer can see exactly what's going on. The practice is now so widespread that a lot of people think it's normal.
I hope it's just a fashion fad which will pass: my friend the sex line worker says most of her callers who ask prefer women to be naturally hairy.
I am a bit surprised that someone with such advanced and unusual views for these days uses euphemisms like cooter and vayjayvay - what's wrong with either the correct anatomical terms or that good old four letter one?
And yes, I am being ironically coy about vaginas and cunts!
People don't dislike those with autism or aspergers, they just don't understand it. You feel the same way about them that they do you. They try to understand and get flustered. They try again and again, but it's hard for you to explain your feelings. It's a different face of thesame coin. They don't understand your feelings, you don't understand their logic. It's not fair that they would fire you over this, and if you can you should take legal action, but you should be vague in expressing any concerns they may have with you when you work for anyone. Don't tell people why they may not want to hire you, you know what I mean? Of course, sometimes you have tell people things, but you should be vague to those who haven't earned your trust.
Well since at least 98% of the population is literate, there's no reason for them not to understand. I have a friend who's dyslexic, and she's able to understand. I know another guy who's legally blind, but he still knows how to read braille. He understands completely. I tell them exactly how I'm feeling. What's there not to understand?
And just FYI, the employment laws where I live are toothless. This is a right-to-work state which is exactly why I'm not gonna die here. I don't tell people right away because they then start comparing me the Sandy Hook and UCSB shooters.
That's why I now return the favors. For instance, when a black guy did that once, I told him he's not like every other black man I know in the hood. He doesn't wear his pants below his waste like he just shit himself or act like a thug and speak Ebonics, nor is he a deadbeat dad with three illegitimate children none of whom for which he pays child support, and he doesn't belong in a gang and have a criminal record a mile long. I was making a point and showing him how it feels.
I dunno a lot of people with Autism or Asperger's, but I will say I don't appreciate a serious lack of impulse control.
I would describe lack of impulsive control to being on autopilot. Sometimes shit just happens without thinking. They say count to 10 but it doesn't make sence when actions have no prewarning.
Well if you don't know a lot of them, then how can you be so sure you're qualified to know about impulse control?
I recognise poor impulse control when I see it, and I tend not to appreciate impulsiveness in anyone regardless of whether or they have a neurological disorder, and or a mental illness or not. If someone suddenly takes off my baseball cap and throws it, because they're just curious how far it would go it's a turn off for me. I don't act that way, so I prefer that people around me not act that way as well. I prefer to make friends with people who are more mindful and mellow in their demeanor.
Now a person saying random shit on the other hand can be quite funny.
It isn't likely that that would happen. I know several people with aspergers and autism both. They don't quite do that, especially those with aspergers. There was one kid who didn't like to be touched and asked a lot of questions (autistic), but he didn't bother people either. If you told him you didn't want to talk at the moment, he would go away. So even if they're impulsive, they certainly aren't all a bother. Of the several people I know with autism, only one has ever been an issue- and she wasn't the issue, her mother's lack of care was.
That seems about right. I try to be respectful of others boundries and don't like when other people invade my personal bubble as well.
A lot of the impulsive things I do more involve actions without thought. It actually scares me sometimes and has resulted in hospital trips. I think a way to describe these impulses is if you can understand somebody with obsessional ocd, who has intrusive thoughts about doing bad things. They have anxiety over doing it but usually never do. With me there have been times I've slipped and actually did really stupid things, just because I thought of it. I may joke about it, but joking about your shortcomings becomes necessary to cope with them.
I try hard to hide my emotions, but honestly I am terrified of myself because I don't know what I may be capable of.
There are plenty of bullies that are NT's that would throw your baseball caps to see how far it goes. Then there are others that target Aspies to see how we react towards being overstimulated. There were some dipshits in Florida just recently that poured a bucket of urine, spit, and bodily fluids all over an autistic child who thought it was water when he was doing the ALS challenge. I believe the person saying random shit on the other hand is most likely someone with Tourette's.
I remember that. I thought it was horrible that the media futher exploited him. It added insult to injury to show the world the humilating video. I wrote the news an angry letter telling them off for doing that. I don't think people realize how much the news ruins peoples lives. I know somebody who was all over national news for something traumatizing as a child and it significantly effected them. I encouraged them to sue but they weren't very willing to talk about it. I did work to try to remove articles from the internet archives but the news didn't care. Any parent who exploits their children like that should be ashamed of themselves.
I don't disagree with you about bullies. I hope the people who did that to the kid in Florida were arrested.
So I suppose you think Issac Newton is a waste of space? How about Albert Einstein? How about Charles Darwin? Thomas Edison? Beethoven? Thomas Jefferson? Charles Monroe Schulz (the guy who made Peanut's comics)? Jim Henson(made the muppets)? Satoshi Tajiri (creator of Pokemon? They're all better people than you'll ever be.
Very few things piss me off so, why would dealing with people on the autism spectrum be any different?
Too many PC comments. Yes, they can drive you up the wall. Sadly, you have to be a fair weather friend to them if you are friends with them in the first place, to protect your sanity; don't expect them to be there for you when you need them on an empathetic level. With these clear boundaries, aggravation will drop considerably. With that said, they ARE human and they ARE struggling with the whole NT/Autistic divide.
What you're calling PC comments are people being genuinely supportive and accepting of difference, but I don't think you're approving of that because you say there are "too many" of these comments - how could there be?
People not being there isn't confined to people with these conditions, I've experienced it many times and am experiencing it right now from some "normal" people, including family, I've supported in the past but who just don't reciprocate. Lack of empathy isn't confined to any one group, on my down days I think it's endemic
Actually, you DON'T have to be a fair-weather friend. That's where you went wrong. If you don't have the kind of tolerance and patience to be a friend, and you think you're too cool to be seen in public with someone you think isn't trendy enough to be in your social circle, then that person deserves better. Plain and simple.
Also, there are some that DO have empathy and ARE there for you. Loyalty is their middle name. That right there is the problem. It's the fair-weather friends that use them to feel better about themselves and try to take advantage of Aspies and auties. That's why I'm glad I've been trained to read people and why I ditch them at the first sign of flakiness. REAL friends are always there when you need them.
As far as far as empathy is concerned, I don't know what pseudointellectual charlatan told you that, but that's inaccurate. I never left anyone hanging in the dirt. I also saved the lives of two people while there were others around in the vicinity who stood there with their thumbs up their asses not knowing what to do and just stood there and watched. Our society PERIOD is quite deficient in empathy, compassion, and solidarity, and NT's make up 99.9% of the entire population.
OP is a troll.
I deduce that OP has Aspergers and is trying to get under our skin.
There are plenty of annoying NT's, but they're still people. Little children drive me bonkers, but they're still people.
Thanks, I was gonna ask you the same thing myself. I think that's funny and provocative to use a term that labels "normal" people - I love it and thanks for educating us about this.
Don't you just love it when trolls label serious questioners like yourself as a troll? Idiots, anything for attention, eh?
Well here's a little newsflash for you. I'm on the spectrum myself. I have Asperger's. I'm trying to take a general consensus to see how most people feel and think about it and how much of an imposition it is to them. That's why I'm on the fence about telling my future employers for my overseas teaching job.
well, i'm autistic myself, so maybe i'm a little bit biased, but no, I don't think we're annoying. I don't get annoyed by people like me because I understand their struggles and what they're saying/going for, stuff like that, you know? and no, we shouldn't be exterminated from the gene pool. we're just experiencing the world in a different way than you are, and maybe you're annoyed because you haven't been clued in. if you want, I could send you some links to some websites or something so you could better understand what life is like for us or something like that.
Hmmmm, nah, no need to hate people for their quirks. 'Normal' people can get on your nerves too. Worse? Human Resources people!!! Awfulllll.
I read what you wrote. You said every time you hear him speak, you want to beat him to death. Then you said it's a mixture of him getting everything he wants and being thankful. I read every single word. Maybe he wants to be accepted.
Maybe like me, he's tired of shallow young bimbos who think they're too cool for school and too trendy to have anyone who doesn't look like Matt Damon in their social circles. I know I was when I was in my early 20's.
That's exactly why I won't date anyone under than 25, and I can't want for those bimbos to turn 50 or older and realize they're not so spruce anymore. How old are you? 19, 20, 21?
That's one person. I've known plenty of neurotypicals like that, too; especially ones of the female gender. You shouldn't assume we're not all like that. Not all black men are thugs; not all Italians are mobsters; not all Brits watch soccer; not all women from California have fake tits; not all people from New York and Back East are so damn uptight that if you were to shove lumps of coal up their asses, two weeks later you'd get diamonds. So not all (probably even most Aspies) are like that. Blame his parents for not teaching him manners. I always thank people for everything. Maybe you should be more tolerant.
Why? Would you rather she dated some two-bit dipshit with a tattoo saying, "Born to Lose" across his chest?
My former best friend was diagnosed with Asperger. I think the main problem with these type of people at least is that they look completely normal, their autism is not apparent until you get to know them well.
I don't hate people with Asperger or autism... but I realized that you need to be a really patient person to deal with them, and I am just not that type of person. With this friend of mine, that was the problem, I just lost all my patience and didn't want to be around him anymore. It can be really painful dealing with these people. I know that they don't have ill intentions, but it is just that it becomes tiresome after a while. This will sound awful, but I want normal friends, people that can actually show some empathy.
You losing your patience says more about you than it does about the former best friend, who is well rid of you because you are making general assumptions about a particular group of people based on your experience with one person.
Isn't it wonderful how all the people in the world who aren't on that particular spectrum are going to be non-annoying, always empathetic and never tiresome? I wish .......
Well I'm sorry to hear that. I really am, but in any event it's probably for the better if you lost patience with that friend and didn't want to be around him anymore. It sounds like you did him a favor in the long run and that it was a blessing in disguise. And people on the spectrum CAN show empathy which I just elucidated to the other respondents. I wish our society PERIOD had more empathy, more solidarity, more compassion, and more tolerance, but instead everywhere I look it's all about me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me.