Do you think an intelligent person can hold stupid views?

Do you think an intelligent person can hold stupid views?

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  • LloydAsher

    It's a sign of inteligence to acknowledge that you dont know everything. Since you dont know everything you probably have some crap information logged in with the normal correct information.

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    • Tommythecaty

      This.

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  • MonteMetcalfe

    I know many so-called intelligent people who lack basic common sense.

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    • LloydAsher

      Like true common sense or is it an engineer? Engineers tend to overthink until they completely miss the point.

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      • MonteMetcalfe

        I'm talking about lacking basic knowledge.

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  • 1WeirdGuy

    Go on discord politics you'll meet kids that are getting a masters degree and specializing in mathmatics but argue that we should have completely open borders with no check points and that its ok to give hormones to children to change genders. Even if they're 3.

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    • Grunewald

      There is a difference between genius and maturity. They just don't know how many things and circumstances exist that have to be factored in, and they don't know the complexity of the human mind. They don't know what can happen to a person in their life, or most of the things that a person can feel, think or need. Their sense of empathy and social imagination probably won't be fully developed at that age.Their views aren't stupid. They just don't have the maturity, knowledge base or life experience to make decisions that will affect other people's lives in the real world. What are they doing their Masters in? Pure Mathematics?

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      • 1WeirdGuy

        Ive spoke to one guy that was studying mathmatics. Others on there do computer engineering or software developement or something along those lines. I once met a transgender on there that was majoring in "gender studies" which I thought was a joke, it wasnt. I told them that I think that degree is useless in the real world and theyre making a mistake. I think that person wanted to teach college kids about gender. That person was not stupid by any means just crazy. That person was around 30. Interesting characters you meet on there.

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        • Grunewald

          Well, I can see why they would want to study that. Whether or not it is useless depends on how the course is delivered, how they read and how they are taught to think, and whether or not they are able to play devil's advocate to their own biases. As for employability, I am sure that there are many employers willing to take on someone who has a 2:1 in toeing the line of political correctness... or in defining what's politically correct and what isn't for the next generations. Problem is, in 5 or 10 years' time ideas will probably have moved on and in this case, their learning may have become outdated before they've even paid off their student loan... Please forgive me my cynicism. Maybe I am taking it a bit far. It's just a caricatural form of what it looks like, when lecturers say that you are to write about this or that but only guide you to certain authors which they approve of, while there are other authors that have a stake in the subject but don't hold to the same line of thought as the lecturer, whose latest works the lecturer maybe hides near the bottom of a list or doesn't mention at all. There are some institutions that stipulate that you have to argue with reference to this idea or that idea or using a certain framework that sets up its own worldview, or else you won't get a good mark. Back when I studied Translation the latest thing was Narrative Theory and now it's the conceptual tool that more and more educated liberal activists use to present social issues, on the radio and in books. It's useful to be familiar with the apparatus they use when looking at the world, but it does just feel like one orthodoxy after another.

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          • 1WeirdGuy

            I agree with you and couldn't have said it better. It's common practice now to not just debunk other views but those views are labeled as dangerous. As if the popular mainstream media and social media companies are the authority on truth. And everything has to be checked by them or it's dangerous information for the masses. Doesnt matter how qualified you are on the subjects, whether or not your world renowned in the field, because if you step outside the mainstream accepted narrative you are now a pseudo scientist thats gone rogue and you are dangerous.

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            • Grunewald

              The problem is not necessarily academics. There are ethical ones and unethical ones - and one trend 10 years ago was to focus on fair practice as teachers and researchers. For example, a professor of mine who organised my whole course still got someone else to teach on an Israeli academic's translation theory when she had personally boycotted him - she didn't just 'cancel' him - and she got a colleague to grade the paper I wrote on his work for impartiality's sake. I even got a good grade for it. I respect her for that. The problem, I think, is what people do with their learning when they leave university. These are the people who edit newspapers, become radio broadcasters and write social media posts and comments. These are most often the activists with the capital 'A' - not the subtle ones writing and influencing quietly from their dreaming spires. These educated laypeople probably haven't been exposed to the variety of views that their lecturers were exposed to, and unlike their lecturers, they probably didn't keep up their engagement with the academic world long enough to have their 'new' ideas bent out of shape and chiselled into a more nuanced form of understanding by different schools of thought.

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    • Pilum

      That's scary

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      • LloydAsher

        More than scary. The parents should be ashamed of themselves. Sure they raised a genius but the genius is speaking absolute garbage.

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        • Sanara

          Parents will never have full control of how their kids turn out, they have some impact but their kid is still their own person with their own thoughts and they also will encounter other things in their life than what their parents intentionally put there.

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      • 1WeirdGuy

        They think they have been enlightened with this advanced knowledge and to them the rest of us are too primitive in our thinking to understand their advanced world view.

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        • Grunewald

          It is sad that people go to university so young, isn't it? They could be much better academics if they went into it with better critical thinking skills and more life experience. They wouldn't be so impressionable because they would know more of what else is out there, understand their rights better and be more familiar with what being taken advantage of looks like, before they began, and they would be less easy to intimidate by a man or woman with 'Dr' in front of their name, backed up by a big university institution, saying 'you must', because they would be used to it by their adult prime, and sick of it. Young people are prone to thinking they know everything and that older generations are primitive - I remember how I used to be not long ago - and the institution backs them up because it's their school of knowledge that the young person is propagating out into the world... The nature of youth and inexperience makes it easier for university lecturers to be taken at their their word and have an impact outside of academia.

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          • 1WeirdGuy

            100% true, one thing that I see is young people falling for things that I fell for. For example, don't get me wrong I'm not arguing climate change does not exist, but in the 90s we were told BOLD predictions in school that by 2012 it was going to be apocalyptic. Yes things have gotten hotter a few degrees but its been no where near as fast as they claimed. You get to see scientists wrong over and over as you age and when you're young you think science is so advanced it cant be wrong anymore. Now they have heart healthy labels on olive oil. Idk if you remember but in the 90s with the food pyramid it was said that all fats were bad for your heart and things like sugary cereal should make up the majority of your diet. Now they're learning that it was all bullshit. Remember when fruit juice was healthy too? 😂

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  • Meatballsandwich

    The nazis were certainly extremely intelligent.

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    • KholatKhult

      The only reason the “nazis were smart” is because the inventors and engineers were not raised under Hitler

      Hitler’s youth camps were turning German children into morons. They refused to educate their girls and just let their boys act like monkeys

      There were clever Germans, but they were smart before Hitler. The Nazis did not make geniuses, the Nazis found existing geniuses and gave them resources

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      • Meatballsandwich

        Correct. But many of those people had nazi views though, even though they are clearly above-average intelligence.

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  • Sanara

    If there is one thing I have learned from arguing with people on the internet, it is that people you disagree with can still make a lot of sense and have good arguments for why they disagree. And that doesn't mean they will convince you, because you have your reasons too that you may hold in higher importance. I find it hard to believe someone like a flat earther can be intelligent (like in medieval they could, but nowadays there is way too much evidence against), but I fully believe there are intelligent people within all political directions at the very least as well as any religion hypothetically.

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    • Grunewald

      💕

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  • olderdude-xx

    People react first to "possibly dangerous situations", then emotions, and critical thinking last.
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    Thus, many intelligent people let their emotions get ahead of their critical thinking abilities and have stupid views.

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  • iEatZombies_

    We can't be smart in every subject. We will always be lacking in something.

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  • Uh yeah. A lot of psychopaths who has killed are highly intelligent, but clearly they held the view that they had a right to take peoples lives away if they felt like it. Extreme example but yeah intelligent people can hold stupid views. They can be book smart so to speak but have skewed personal morals.

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  • All it takes is accepting a presupposition and building off it. It's kinda hard to avoid, I still catch myself believing things without verifying information

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  • donteatstuffoffthesidewalk

    ive worked with phds who couldnt operate a coffee machine

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  • Tinybird

    Most intelligent people have one stupid view in common with each other and everyone else

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  • jodi1955

    where do you think politician
    ns come from

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  • Grunewald

    No. A view isn't stupid just because it's wrong. There are a lot of systems of thought that are logically coherent but just not representative of reality, and 'intelligence' is a much fuzzier concept than we like to pretend.

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  • SwickDinging

    No one has total immunity to stupid views. We all have our blind spots.

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  • Somenormie

    100%

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