God is a hoax.
Yep, God is an idea created by hoaxsters. Choose one.
| Of course God is a hoax. | 18 | |
| God is not a hoax, religion is. | 18 | |
| God is real. | 22 | |
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Dustyair
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[Old Memory]
Who created the creator of God? Who created the creator of the creator of God? It's a huge circle. How did time come to be? What was before time? Without time, can you really have a "before", being that "before" is a sense of time? Can you imagine a type of time which is not a left (past) to right (present to future) line? Imagine a vertical line which is infinitely slow at its southern pole and infinitely faster and faster at its northern pole (what we had prior to our current time). This is the concept of eternity and the concept of continuity. While it does not take a God to create this, it certainly cannot prove there is no God. Perhaps God and eternity are one?
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Alichael
It definitely does not prove there's no God. God and eternity could be God. But there is no beginning and end to the concept of time. There's no beginning and end to some of the biggest wonders. Same with energy, cannot be created or destroyed. You asking what was before time, that's what I've been saying too.
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Alichael
It's kind of like asking where a circle begins and ends. Every answer sounds ridiculous. How can the universe just suddenly appear from nothing? But then, how can God suddenly appear from nothing? There's really no answers that seem logical. But the universe just suddenly appearing or spontaneously combusting is less logical. Nothing can appear from nothing.
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nikkiclaire
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McBean
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Dustyair
The entire thing started with the jewish talmud, and branched out into christianity and islam from there. And yes, it is all man made bullshit created by primitive people.
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samfoxrawr
Actually, all that started from a long-dead Babylonian religion in which all deities but one ("Elohim") slowly got shed from proto-Iraqi society. The Jews have been around for far shorter than they claim.
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Anonymous Post Author
So you are saying that religion is a hoax. What about the existence of God as independent from religion?
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Seahawksfan56
I spent a very long time as an atheist myself. Science is a huge hobby for me, and I believe in natural selection, and the big bang. Also I go to Christian Service very often and do believe God is real. A lot of what turns us off from God is just people anyways. I can find myself not being happy with the people that fill up a church. Also I hate when they attack science. It's like, "oh ok, I forgot we're all stupid Christians." But yeah I haven't let it turn me off of Christianity.
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[Old Memory]
I’d rather be at the beach thinking about God, than in church thinking about the beach.
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Dustyair
You were never an atheist, and you never read a single page out of a science book in your life.
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Alichael
I don't understand, you're saying you're an atheist, but then you're saying you believe God is real. Are you kind of stuck in the middle of wondering which to believe?
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Dustyair
Can you give give the exact date your so called "god" was here on earth, got nailed to a cross (for what ever silly reason), died and on what date did the creator of the universe come back to life and walk out of a tomb? I want dates!
I don't believe you were ever an atheist either, you're just another christian propagandists.
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nikkiclaire
Can anyone give dates for that? Nope. Big Bang? Nope. What was before the big bang....oh pay no attention to that 😂
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MissileExpert
Sorry. Detailed measurement of the expansion rate of the universe put the creation date at 13.799 ± 0.021 billion years. The error is largely due to variation in measurement of Doppler shift.
Your response was very naive, but since you seem like a person who can comprehend a bit of math, please click and read this Wikipedia article on the Big Bang. I would be glad to discuss more details with you when you are up to speed. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang
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Anonymous Post Author
Sorry, I will have to delete your assinine and obnoxiously ignorant comments from this post. You are a gross distraction from the intelligent comments other members are making.
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813318
the bible was written by a king to stop his people from committing suicide and to make money off their sins. pretty simple shit tbh
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Dustyair
Why was the fake story Jesus written about 100 years after it was claimed to have happened? You would the creator of the universe coming to earth and getting it's ass nailed to cross would have been bigger news, hell the Chinese never even heard of this asshole Jesus.
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lonewolf1253
I've known that since I was old enough to comprehend my surroundings. Religion is a crutch that feeble minds use because they are afraid of death. Of coming to an end. Of their loved ones coming to and end.
Everyone, myself included, wants to believe in an idyllic afterlife. Where we retain our personalities and live in peace and harmony with our families for all eternity. I'd like that. But that shit's not the truth. The truth is that we are biological organisms with no more soul than a tapeworm. All religions are based on the fear of death. And religion has been the primary source of untold misery to the human race since the beginning of recorded history. And as long as fear exists, so will religion. But if people want to believe in unseen, non-existent deities and it gives them comfort, then I see no harm in it. What I detest are violent fundamentalists who use religion as a source of power.
As for myself? I'm looking forward to death. I could use the rest. I will have peace and my worries will be gone. I see nothing to fear. It happens to everyone eventually.Comment Hidden ( show )-
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Alichael
Religion was not just created due to people's fear of death, it was created to find answers to everything in the bigger picture, how the universe began, why it began, where it came from, to help find answers to everything science can't explain, and there are many things science cannot explain. The whole concept of time, what was before the beginning of time, how could time actually begin? And also with the universe as a whole, there always has to be something before it, nothing can start from nothing. This is also why many believe in an afterlife, it's not just because of fear of death.
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Pumpurrnickel
Can't prove or disprove that. You can talk about how hypocritical, immoral, inaccurate, etc. religious texts can be, and you might be correct, but you cannot prove or disprove his existence. It's sad how so many people chose a different option.
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zamblooey
I started to question my belief in christ but still want to believe there's a god. I just want to ask if that makes me an atheist? Thank you.
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Randomly-Strawberry
Currently I don't believe in any God. But it's possible that God exists. There's really no way anyone can know.
No one can prove that God exists, but no one can prove that God doesn't exist as well. You can't prove anything, so you can never be sure.
Plus there are many mysteries of the universe. They might be explained in the future, but I'm just stating a possibility that God might exist. It's possible but no one can know.
If there really is a God, he/she doesn't really necessarily look like human or be related to humans at all. All those Gods in religions are most likely people's imaginations. But it's possible that some form of life possibly defined as a God can exist someday.
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SeekNPlay
Nobody really knows for sure but I'm just going to believe just in case, becuase I don't want the burn in hell for eternity...
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MissileExpert
Many people say the Big Bang was actually the Big Bounce. The previous universe collapsed only to explode into a new Big Bang. This theory says that space and time have always existed back to negative infinity. Nobody created it. Current astronomical observations throw in the complication of dark energy, but the oscillating universe theory has not been completely disproven.
So although your theistic creation theory has some credibility, it is not the only explanation of the existence of the cosmos.
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[Old Memory]
The big bounce is the only theory that I can conceive to be realistic, though this may be due to the limitations of my ability to understand certain concepts of such intangible ideas. Or maybe it just makes sense to me that something can't come from nothing. But it makes sense that the universe recycles itself time to time.
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Anonymous Post Author
Of course Omnipotent includes omnipresent. Hateful's point is that he is simply omnipresent without all the power.
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Anonymous Post Author
Of course people ask stupid questions. Then they look for answers only to eventually realize their question was stupid. It's a process.
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Alichael
Humans do often think in a box. Your answer makes as much sense as any. All I know is that the universe and everything material and living in it had to begin from something, but could not come out of nothing such as with the idea of the big bang theory. So far the answers to the big questions have been no more than theories, like the big bang theory or the superstring theory.
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davcr
It depends on which god, the Abraham's god for example is certainly a hoax. Other god, well... is impossible to know for sure, yet; but yes, is most probably a hoax too.
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[Old Memory]
The existence of God was proved by science. Most people don't know it. The actual conflict starts when people call random things they invent as "God". The real God doesn't have anything to do with that.
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Alichael
Yes. You can't make a connection to God with all the little things, but you look at the big picture, the universe, the passage of time and how it could all begin. There is something in the picture beyond the realm of science. The bible may have been made up, but the hard up atheists have not hit the nail right between the eyes either.
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[Old Memory]
It's a conflict. There has been a recent massive movement against religion, and more people become atheists now, irreligion gaining a lot of terrain. I suppose that this recent detachment is causing a strong conflict, and divides people into big military camps. Also, there is a phenomenon called "group polarization", which determines members of a group to act stronger in a specific direction due to the approval of the group. Now people tend to battle between two major visions, God vs no God, and the religious contexts have a lot of impact on them, making them either comfortable, happy, defensive, or irritated, offended, offensive. The truth is that religions are mostly made up, and they shouldn't affect people's views and stances. God is a complex notion, and Its existence was proved by Rene Descartes. Now, our understanding of It depends on our level of knowledge. I am currently reading about the superstring theory, and my knowledge currently allows me to perceive God as a creator of the system of equations which generate our possible 10 dimensional Universe. For people with more knowledge, God might be even clearer as a notion, while others will simply see God as an inventor, but unable to describe It more. Religious are obviously mostly myths, and their masculine attributes to God and supernatural depictions are a representation of people's understanding at some point in the past. I can safely call myself an atheist, since this means the lack of theism, which is the existence of a deity, of something sacred, venerated and associated with religions. Anyways, nice weather we're having, huh?
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Anonymous Post Author
I never liked Anslem's Ontological argument. Thanks for the reference to Descartes. His ideas are much better.
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Alichael
I'm trying to understand your response. You're saying that you believe in the possibility of God, but you're saying you're an atheist. You're saying how you're well aware of God having been proven by Rene Descartes. I think what I'm gathering is that you're kind of leaning towards the possibility of believing in a higher power, and by saying you're an atheist, you're meaning that you don't believe in God as in how most organized religions depict him? You mentioned that you believe in the possibility of a 10 dimensional universe, which is definitely not Christianity, but I've already gathered that you're not a bible thumper. Neither am I, although I do believe that there's something. I noticed how you said that you believe religions are mostly myths, instead of saying that they're all myths, which I'm assuming means that you have a corner of your mind which believes in the possibility of an existing diety. I mean I have my reasons for believing in a higher power, and I'm sure you have a strong grasp on why you believe in what you believe. I'm just saying that I don't fully understand your response.
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[Old Memory]
Regarding the matter of my claim of religions, being mostly myths. Since this is a claim, and does not have a proof, this can never be absolute. There is always a possibility of being wrong, until I have a proof that the claim is absolutely right. Once I made this division between absolute certainties, belonging to the system of truths, versus the "bunch" of claims and thoughts, it is reasonably to be absolute in my statements taken from the system of truths and "imperfect" for the rest of the claims, until I manage to prove them. I do not know for sure that all the claims of all the religions are false or uncertain. Some of them might be true. To exemplify, the possibility of some excerpts from Bible related to Jesus, depicting him in some specific contexts, like moving from one place to another can be true. It is likely that a person named Jesus actually did some of the things mentioned in those texts, since other independent sources seem to confirm this, too. I did not let that imperfection be specifically for giving a chance of a deity to exist, but for demarcating the line between the truths and the uncertainties. Indeed, some facts there, including regarding deities, might be true, but I cannot validate that yet. I disbelieve that deities exist, since, by the definition of deities, they are supernatural, unexplained by the laws of nature. But Descartes proved that there is a God which contains all perfections, so It also contains all such laws that can explain everything, including these deities. Furthermore, such deities are depicted by humans, and are also imperfect, they are described with respect to people's own conceptions of deities. They are not absolute and they represent their creators. Perhaps I should simply reject the labels like (a)/theist, since my own view appears to differ radically from these views. Let's just say I have no religion.
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[Old Memory]
The confusion probably lies in the definition of God. I don't "believe" in God, believing is something I dislike as a concept. I consider the Cartesian proof of God as valid, which means I am certain that such a God described in his argument exists. He made a proof, which is either valid or invalid, and aim to ascertain something specific. His proof was also validated by Leibnitz, so if these geniuses elaborated and validated it, I trust them. This God was not proved to have anything to do with religions, though. Theism means belief in a deity, which is the center of a religion. A deity is something supernatural, considered divine or sacred. Supernatural means that cannot be explained by the laws of nature. On the contrary, in the Cartesian proofs of God, It is something not only explained, but actually found using "laws of nature", namely polysyllogisms. Theism itself is also a "belief", while this is a proof. I said earlier that I can safely call myself an atheism. By the definitions provided by our illustrious internet, atheism is the lack of theism, namely the lack of belief in the existence of a deity, a supernatural entity, divine or sacred. I cannot consider this God in religious terms, divine or sacred, since there are no proofs for such an approach. I do not have a "belief". I belong to skepticism and I adopted the Cartesian doubt as an ideology to discover the truth. This has one big rule: A statement is either proved using true premises from the system already made, or eliminated from it. Thoughts and beliefs are not permitted in the system. They can stay separate and can be meditated upon. This means I know for sure that God exists, but for now, I have nothing else about It. I can try to imagine this God as the system of equations which generates other sciences, such as the laws of Physics, Chemistry, Biology, etc. This seems to be an approach that has all the perfections, as Descartes defines God. Religions are on totally different plane, and were written and transmitted by people. Since we have lots of claims in the sacred texts, and not proofs, we cannot include them in the system of truths. They also may have inaccuracies (most likely they have), and this simple possibility of being inaccurate disqualifies them from correctly defining something having all the perfections. Only a science or a similar chain of perfect (and perhaps abstract) statements can construct new notions with absolute perfection. So to conclude for this point, I do not see myself in the position of believing in a deity and disbelieve in a God depicted by most religions, since we have incertainty in these statements, and they cannot be the result of my system of absolute truths. Instead, I know that God exists, by proof and I reject all religions in their attempt to describe this God. Sometimes, religions might reach some absolute forms of presenting God, but without a proof and coming from a system of uncertainties, they are automatically out of the system of absolute truths.
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Anonymous Post Author
Interesting. We need a reference. If you can't supply one, deletion is inevitable.
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TheConfusedDoggo
There is no way to know. You just can’t go and ask “Hey God, are ya real?” You pretty much won’t get any answers. I don’t know who to believe when it comes to religion.
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Dunga
Its funny that disbelievers spend their life taunting God, they talk more about God then believers do, really ironic...
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Alichael
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EnglishLad
Believe what you want to believe. I may not share your belief, that's my right too.
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[Old Memory]
The question should be did god create us or did we create god! If god created us what was her motive? No one can answer that! But if we created god it was a way of explaining our existence which seems a far more rational explanation. Therefore god is not real she was just someone invented by the human race many centuries ago.
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lonewolf1253
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[Old Memory]
In the unlikely event that god does actually exist other than in people’s minds, she would obviously be a woman. It is a scientific fact that the human body is based on the female template. That is why men have nipples, it must follow therefore that woman came before man. Therefore logically god would be a female not a male.
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