I dont believe the justice system should..

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There's a lot of talk about switching from punishment to rehabilitation. I believe we should do both. I believe if you rape someone or you kill someone you should be punished for it. I dont believe if you harm others the focus should just be on getting you back into society. Growing up around alot of criminals gives me a different perspective of how fucked some people are. Many criminals are irredeemable.

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  • Tommythecaty
    2 years ago

    “It’s like shutting the barn door after the horse has already bolted somewhat”

    - Ed Kemper

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  • LloydAsher
    2 years ago

    True. When ever i hear rehabilitation i just assume they mean low level drug stuff. I dont think you can or should rehabilitate a murderer.

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    • Ihidabody
      2 years ago

      They do it all the time in Norway, and guess what? They don't reoffend. With that information, it seems to me that you're just a little ignorant. Whatever though.

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      • LloydAsher
        2 years ago

        Norway can do what they want with their Norwegians. America has a different sort of criminal intentions.

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        • Ihidabody
          2 years ago

          The point flew right over your head.

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          • LloydAsher
            2 years ago

            Punishment is punishment. Rehabilitation is rehabilitation.

            If we are punishing you it's for a reason.

            At least we arent harvesting our prisoners for organs *cough china cough*

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            • Ihidabody
              2 years ago

              That isn't my point.

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      • Anonymous Post Author
        2 years ago

        Not only do I disagree with the Norway system I think it would be ineffective in the USA. Crime rates are surging in the USA in many states because in my opinion they're trying to move towards rehabilitation. Norway has a lower crime rate overall and doesnt have the same issues with drugs, poverty, different demographics. Here we have gangs, organized crime, drugs. Theres no rehabilitation for many of these people and if I was Norwegian and my daughter was raped and then the guy gets out in 4 years and has a PS4 and pool in jail id be furious.

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        • Ihidabody
          2 years ago

          Yeah, because YOU live in the USA, and USA has shitty jails. In Norway, offenders don't ever offend again, and you wanna know why? because Norway offers therapy, classes, etc. and actually work towards the prisoners never offending again and it works. If not all, the majority of prisoners there are able to live normal, stable lives without ever reoffending. Do your research.

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          • LloydAsher
            2 years ago

            I'm saying that the average Norwegian is psychologically different from the average american. We are a dog fight dog but dont bite their throat off based society. Those who break the laws are 100% vilified for doing so as crimes are 100% your individual fault.

            Now for drugs I can understand rehabilitation.

            For rapists and other violent offenders they deserve to be vilified. As they are the scum of an individual driven society.

            Cushy prisons will just lessen the threat of prison. Prison isnt supposed to be nice. It's a punishment. It's not the best system but I feel better if a rapist is living in a shitty cot vs a air conditioned private quarters.

            Norway you care about all norwegians, that's good. In america we care more about law abiding americans. The more crimes you commit the less we actually care about you. Sucks but the rules are written and pretty known. Even then we still provide you with a lawyer to see if the system didnt fuck you over more than it needed to.

            Not quite cowboy justice not quite the japanese prison system. It's in between. Yours might be better for a case for case basis but we care about punitive punishments as a deterrent, makes people less likely to kill people who wrong them.

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            • Ihidabody
              2 years ago

              Tldr

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  • jethro
    2 years ago

    First of all it isn't a justice system. It is a legal system. If it were truly a justice system some people would be executed on sight out of the sake of justice.

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    • LloydAsher
      2 years ago

      I dont understand why pedophiles dont get executed. Leaving it up the the prisoners to take action. Even if it was homicide during that abuse. Its fucked up that some people actually believe that no matter how many people you kill/rape being executed lessens the value of human life. Not killing a guy that needs killing is a waste of a human lifes of their victims.

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  • bbrown95
    2 years ago

    Agreed. Some people are a danger to society and releasing them back out into the public does no one any good.

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  • olderdude-xx
    2 years ago

    It depends on the case, and in some cases the social structure they can be released into.

    There is substantial evidence that proper rehabilitation works long term in cultures that have prepared a place for people to go after rehabilitation where they are honestly given a 2nd chance.

    There is a small % for which rehabilitation does not work (and there will always be this small %). In most cases, the personalities that tend to not be rehabilitatable; and its relatively easy to to identify who those will likely be.

    It's also apparent by about half to 2/3 way though a good rehabilitation process to validate that.

    So, my vote is for substantial rehabilitation on the 1st offense, and allowing people to rejoin society without any major restrictions on finding a decent job and earning decent money.

    But, those who have the personalty characteristics where rehabilitation often does not work... should be given the chance at rehabilitation and monitored. If they show signs of rehabilitation not working... Then I believe they should be routed back into the prison system for the protection of society.

    Clear re-offenders should also be routed into a prison system long term to protect society.

    Lots of studies show that punishment does not reduce future crime rate. But, removing them from society does eliminate them from committing more crimes in the future.

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  • kelili
    2 years ago

    I used to think that people should be punished for crimes until I had criminology classes and understood that it is more complex than that. Rehabilitation should be encouraged but there are criminals that are sick and should be kept away from society (pedophiles, rapist, serial killers). Most people do crimes and get away with it and those who are caught are labelled and segregated from society which increase the likeability of the person re offending.

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    • 1WeirdGuy
      2 years ago

      What do you think is going wrong in many cities where theyre attemptimg to do this now? Portland, LA, Washington DC, NYC are all focusing more on rehabilitation and they've had major increases in crime.

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      • kelili
        2 years ago

        Are the same who reoffend? That's the first question that should be answered. Are there other reasons why people are more likely to commit crime in these areas? The cost of living, the unemployment rate, the gap between the rich and poor etc...
        There are so many reasons.

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