I'm addicted to tylenol w/codeine. is it normal?
i take one or four a day. I like the buzz, it makes me feel happy. Is this an addiction or is it ok?
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i take one or four a day. I like the buzz, it makes me feel happy. Is this an addiction or is it ok?
Don't encourage this behavior. Please, stop taking condeine unnecessary, it really is not good for your health.
How is he/she misinformed? Addiction and recreational use of opiates is not something to tread lightly about.
No one said ban any medication, of any kind. They exist for a reason and some are miracle workers. This is about the abusive behavior, of medication you do not need. Not arguing about Big-Pharma.
Anti-depressants, anti-anxiety etc fall into long-term use. Like any other medications that are prescribed for mental health issues/disorders.
You simply state that if it's legal, it is not abuse;
Painkillers are intended for the treatment of chronic pain and were never intended to be long-term, unless you have cancer or severe diagnosis backing chronic pain that is unmanageable. Before the big boom it took cancer, or a nearly severed limb, to attain what people can -- in such high doses and quantity -- today. So the comparison between anti-depressants/ prescriptions for mental health to painkillers, is ridiculous. People like the OP abuse painkillers to get high, not because they're actually in pain. Fibromyalgia and similar diagnosis attribute to paper flying off the RX pad. People can make up pain and get a scripts for years through clinics. It's a cash-cow for the Doctors (whom reject insurance) and feeds addicts all over the country. That will never end, now that it has begun. Big-pharma sets the standard and always will. Damage control is only slightly implemented, in light of high death results per year. Hyrdocodone is now Schedule II. This happened mere days ago. Doctors have to find more evidence backing chronic pain and/or taper patients safely to avoid withdrawal. Which should NEVER be an issue if a patient is not misusing medication. Doctors and addicted patients can be one in the same, I blame no one.
This OP playing with T3 is child's play, but the whole point is to steer someone in the right direction, if they genuinely do not realize what the abuse of opiates can lead to. That was the entire "argument", if any. People should not condone nor encourage that. It's pretty fuuuucking despicable.
T3 is child's play compared to other drugs, that's the point. Clearly he uses codeine for emotional pain, which is on going. So why is it ethical to take anti-depressants and not ethical to use a mild opiate. Given the codeine has less withdrawal effects?
The difference is a doctor with little no training in mental health prescribed one? Far be it a person has a right to their own body and what goes into it.
He's self medicating, it's his choice. He is highly unlikely to OD from this. I really don't see a problem. Why do you want to control every facet of everyone's life? It indicates to me you are severely unhappy in your own life and need to control others.
How is he misinformed? He's not, he's right, abusing medicine is a dangerous and unhealthy habit. You're misinformed buddy, big time.
If you're not being sarcastic or snide -- you're very ignorant regarding the opiate epidemic; abuse and addiction start like this.
You really should refrain from commenting about it, if you're stance is "it's legal, so it's not abuse".
People are prescribed opiates every day, the misuse/abuse kills thousands of people every year. It's legal and you can attain a prescription, however that does not mean "take it for fun" and for getting high should justify the OP's actions. He/she is taking Tylenol 3. One step below Vicodin. If this person develops a physical addiction, they will be resorting to illegal means to obtain the drug eventually. Like most opiate addicts, it starts with the weaker doses, before tolerance of the drug and cravings gradually increase -- and you're an addict.
They are abused daily by people without scripts. This is incredibly well-known.
If you're not taking them for pain, you're already headed down a very dangerous path. Needless to say, everyone knows the detrimental effects on the kidneys (especially liver) But emotional solace in perking up with drugs, is the formula for a very serious addiction.
Hey asshole, its called abuse because the person is abusing the fact that the medication is technically legal. You're a douchebag.
You shouldn't abuse medicine dude. I am on a whole catalogue of hardcore medicine for a chronic skin disorder and a few menstrual disorders and I'm only 19. I will be on these medications for the rest of my life. Do you know how it feels knowing I have decades ahead of shitty side effects from all the meds I have to take? Some people, like me, would give anything to not have to take medicine day after day and you're abusing it.
That was my moms drug. It is nice but after a while that cold stomach rot sucks. I dunno how she done it.
Effects of codeine abuse:
Acute pancreatitis
Major depression
Liver damage
Kidney damage
Financial problems
Legal issues
Domestic problems
Job loss
Heightened pain sensitivity
Uncontrollable muscle twitches
Muscle spasms, cramps, and pain
Loss of productivity at school or work
Impaired social relationships
Seizures
Incarceration
Respiratory depression
Bradycardia
Cold, clammy skin
Decreased muscle tone
Coma
http://www.acadianaaddiction.com/prescription-drugs/codeine/symptoms-signs-effects#Effects
And the withdrawals are awful. Don't encourage drug use. @Stickypudding
Half of those are social issues, due to your 'drug war'. Why don't the US start a war they intend to finish for once. War on Terror, War on drugs, war in Iraq. Pathetic.
Go figure. You're really bad with math as well. 4 out of 20 + listed side effects -- guess what? That does not equate to "half". If you're considering the FEW non-physical factors "social issues" and 50% of the list as being such.. Once again, you've provided more ignorant nonsense and just show how truly misinformed, ignorant and delusional you are regarding this.
4/24 = 50% in your mind. That's quite a humorous statement. You can't make sense of all of your political bullshit, either. All regarding a country which you do not reside in. Your constant lamenting over the US is so misguided and yet another pathetic element you choose to display here. Get over it, us and stick with what you think you know; nothing.
If you have no legitimate reason to take it & you abuse it by taking more than would be recommended then obviously it's an addiction & isn't OK.
I might actually make a similar thread as I take painkillers twice daily, for an actual injury but suffer terrible physical withdrawals if I miss a dose.
I've always considered it a physical dependency, not an addiction, but that was recently questioned by someone who's opinion I really respect.
I don't agree.
You can be a fully functioning addict.
I've been one & I've known many others.
Even at some of the lowest points of my previous addictions (drugs & alcohol) I was still holding down a job & attending school.
To me the difference is in how you see, treat & think of the substance (or whatever) in question.
If it is necessary & you don't mentally crave it for enjoyment it's not an addiction, even if you're physically dependent on it.
If you use it when not necessary, abuse the amount taken, mentally crave it, etc then it is a problem & is an addiction.
BTW sorry OP, I'll start my own thread...
Sort of ironically, it's the Tylenol that's really bad for you (especially if you also drink alcohol). It would of course be better not to take drugs at all, but if you must, you might want to look up "cold water extraction".
BTW Try to only do it a few times a week. I was hooked after surgery. The withdrawals were pretty mild though, far weaker than quitting SSRI's.
Moron. Not only do 80% of the morons whom attempt CWE fail (and waste their "supply") Tylenol 3 is utterly pointless, in terms of removing the Tylenol. You're thinking of Vicodin and Percocet. Tylenol 3 has so little trace of actual opiate, you would need 10 + to even extract a reasonable [sufficient] amount.
In any case, abuse will ruin your body, mind and life in one way or another. There is no science behind being a druggie.
Dude seriously? You're going to give someone advice on how to safely abuse medicine? There's no safe way to do that, and you're advice is shitty and dangerous. I sincerely hope OP doesn't listen to you because he/shes going to wind up in a coffin following your advice.
Very true, the coffin part.
CWE does nothing, it's a drug abuser's mind believing removing the Tylenol actually preserves your liver/kidneys. Because everyone knows medication is "full proof" once you've removed one element, right? -- Dumb, the drug is still synthesized and a pharmaceutical companies creation; basically you're hoping for heroin/pure opium, which is impossible. If you were to ingest pure opium, you would trip balls and NOT feel that euphoric state that pk's provide. It's the Tylenol that thins out the bloodstream and provides greater quality of the drug (as an analgesic) and lengthening it's half-life. Not to say that is a good thing, either. However it is fact.
You can safely ingest an entire pack of 30 with no tolerance and live. Paracetamol will kill you a long time before codeine my friend.
Read a book. Learn something.
Read a book and learn something huh? What if I were to tell you that I study medicine? And that I've probably read over 100 text books on medicine and that what you think you know about medicine is but a lowly fraction of what I know? Shut up, you have no fucking right to give such shitty advice to people. You should be banned from this site for displaying such destructive intent. By the way, everybody's brain and body chemistry reacts differently to different medicine, so why the fuck don't YOU read a book and learn something?
BTW, you sound like an angry twelvie. Giving advice on how to preserve ones liver is a good idea. It's biggots like you that think banning substances solves the problem. Google 'prohibition' and you will see how well that worked out. Harm reduction is always a better policy.
Telling someone they can safely ingest 30 pills is not giving advice on how to preserve one's liver. You think that because you abuse medicine and you're not dead YET that its okay for you to tell others that its safe to do so? You're an ignorant junkie.
I didn't suggest banning the substance you moron. Why should a perfectly good medication that helps millions of people be banned because a few assholes abuse it? And for the record, you have no idea who I am so assuming that I'm not a med student is retarded on your part, douchebag. Now go ingest 30+ painkillers and you know, drive home. Do us a favour.
If you have been taking it for mor than a week straight ur gonna be sick as a dog when u eventually do stop. T3s have withdrawal similar to heroin.
No. Heavy use of Tylenol 3 would have withdrawal symptoms. He/she is taking ONE to four a day, this is not enough to cause an extreme physical addiction. It can happen, but withdrawal symptoms depend on use, mgs of opiate and how many. This person would have to really be eating them down to feel withdrawal that is intense. It wouldn't compare to heroin WD. Tylenol 3's are the lowest form of a painkiller, next to OTC meds; it's like comparing wine coolers to hard liquor. The trace of opiate is very miniscule. One handful of T3 doesn't even equate to a couple 5mg Vicodin. It is still an opiate (extremely "watered down form) but even so, no one should play with them, for fun.