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I think we need to legalise:
- Marijuana
- Cocaine
- MDMA
- Meth
- Magic Mushrooms
- LSD
- Opium ( and by opium its when you chase the dragons. )
By legalising them I think we have a sweet deal.
Are you aware that Adderall and Methamphetamine are only separated by one molecule? Essentially they are identical.
Yeah but the slight chemical differences make a huge difference to the drug. I've done a shit load of amphetamine based substances. No doubt a lot of them were chemically very similar but the actual affects, especially in regards to harming oneself, are vastly different.
This is true adderall is basically the same. Meth heads do adderall if they cant find meth
Can confirm I had this on-off non-relationship thing with this girl for a while and she used to pop addys like tic tacs. Might as well have been smoking meth.
They're vastly different drugs. I've done a shit load of amphetamine based substances. There's a huge jump from Adderall to meth. There's a big jump even from Adderall to base, aka speed.
When someone says speed I think... ew. There is just something about It that makes me feel ew.
I've only done it a handful of times so I'm certainly no authority on it, but it always felt to me like it was one of the scruffy/nasty party drugs that you did if you were really stuck and couldn't get hold of anything better.
Methamphetamine was first manufactured as a pill to treat ADHD, just the same as Adderall.
I used to agree with this, because I'm very much a "leave people to their own shit" sort of person. I dislike the idea that someone can be put in prison for choosing to sniff or smoke something that makes them feel good (or even something that makes them feel bad, if that's what they really want to do) and I ESPECIALLY hate that criminals are able to profit so much from it.
However, when you look into real world examples of drugs being made completely legal, it tends to result in an increase in the uptake. More people do it. More harm can be caused.
I prefer a middle of the road approach. Decriminalization of possession is a good place to start (and yes, this is VERY different to legalisation). I would also want to take a thorough look at how substances are entering the country, and make individual assessments on a case by case basis as to whether or not something is a viable candidate to be produced in our country legally, or imported legally. The whole process would need to ethical to avoid a lot of the devastating affects of the international illegal drug trade - no sense in changing the law to simply allow those awful things to continue. It needs to be about making positive changes.
I you happen to be ran over when crossing a street by a driver high on some of these you wouldn't think the same way anymore. Probably because you wouldn't be here to make lame irrational attempts at thinking and anonymously spread your ignorance on online forums
Considering every single one of those drugs were actually legal at one point in time and used medicinally, I agree.
Before people realized how shit they are. Now theres an argument about the non addictive drugs like weed, acid, and mushrooms.
Meth, cocaine, and opium which are very addictive and very detrimental to personal health as well a societal functions.
Its interesting how if theyre so shit why are they prescribed by doctors? Adderall and opiates are prescribed so they do atleast something for you.
Mushrooms and acid maybe. Weed isnt. Didnt have any withdraw with quitting, nor cared that I went without.
You can have a psychological addiction to something but that isnt a physical addiction. You can be psychologically addicted to anything.
Mushrooms and acid build tolerance really quickly if you take them every day. Try dosing 5 days in a row, you can eat an ounce of shrooms and not feel anything.
Youre pretty much limited to once every week or maybe 5 days with that stuff. So you can't really get addicted.
You are correct that anything can be addicting. Literally anything. Your argument for pot not being addicting due to a lack of withdrawals is invalid. I’ve seen meth heads walk away from meth with no withdrawals. Literally, ZERO. Dude used daily for three months. So by your argument, meth isn’t addicting. Right?
A psychological addiction is almost as bad because it causes the brains chemistry to change. Saying weed or mushrooms isn’t addicting, you’re just lying to yourself. That’s what addicts do. You try to justify what you’re doing. I’m a recovering addict, I know and I understand. You don’t want to admit that the substance your using is addicting or that your addicted. It’s the same issue alcoholics and gamblers have. They’re not addicted, they have a handle on it. You don’t have withdrawals, that’s not what those are, It’s something else. I’m coming down with a cold. I’m just grumpy cuz I didn’t get enough sleep. The list of excuses goes on and on. Truth is, you’re an addict.
Also, I know MANY people addicted to pot and it most definitely does cause withdrawal symptoms after long periods of use. I’ve seen someone so addicted to pot that they went without paying their bills so they could buy their weed, I know addiction when I see it and that’s a HUGE red flag right there. Same applies to mushrooms.
Any mind altering drug has the potential for addiction.
NONE is exempt from that list.
Idk about legalizing but I think we should reduce penalties for possession. Seems too extreme that you could be caught with one pain pill and become a felon for life. Its much harder to get a decent job as a felon. So it makes them use more drugs. I like the way Canada deals with drugs better than my country.
I like the way Oregon just passed their new law, essentially decriminalizing small drug crimes. Instead of going to jail, you get a choice of like a fine or going to a drug treatment thing. Don’t quote me exactly as I’m not looking directly at it right now, but I remember reading about it a few weeks ago.
I'd legalize a lot/ most, but my cut off point would probably be cocaine, legalize up to and including drugs that do the same damage as that then decriminalize the rest but still prosecute dealers.
What gets me is that they prosecute users. In the state's eye you're a poor wretch who's fallen into drug use... So to help you we're going to prosecute you. Yeah that makes a lot of sense.
I think we should just have a free market and let everyone sell anything. With the added restriction it can't be violating any rights. Like not selling human meat of people you just kidnapped.
If drugs are legal it will be a big hit for criminals. Drugs will be sold in the same way alcohol and cigarettes are sold.
You know all this stuff is bad for you, but if you wanna do it, you should be free to do so.
If some idiot wants to throw away their life in an overdose haze of heroin and LSD... let them. If you make a buck selling them that shit legally, good for you.
Natural selection can be a good thing.
I only really agree with Marijuana, cause I'll probably try it in the future. But I really *hate* meth. Out of everything you said, meth is the worst one. I cannot stress how much I HATE this drug, it should die, just cease to exist. I think no one should do it under any circumstances. No one who does it even enjoys it or does it for fun, it's always cause they were curious or peer-pressured into it, and then their addicted. So many people do the unthinkable just to get a hold of this drug. It should be illegal everywhere, and remain illegal.
I can agree with legalizing marijuana so you can have 2 oz for personal use
Totally agree. Same rules as the alcohol and same regulations. The profits are clear:
1) No black market
2) Less criminal activities in general
3) Money from the VAT
4) Clean the quality of the products (less overdose)
I don't see, why a sane adult person should be told what substances can he get into his system.
I actually agree with you on this - and for years have advocated a method. Most people do not understand that most of the harm that illicit drugs do actually occurs in the supply chain prior to the end user.
My approach would be to allow any (and all) drugs to be obtained from a pharmacy. To get a drug not prescribed by a Doctor for a medical condition you would have to sign a waiver (with witnesses) that you personally accept all responsibilities for your actions while under the influence of the drug. That you clearly understand that no employer has any legal obligation to employ you, and can fire you for no other cause, if the drug affects you abilities to work or accept normal responsibilities. That your insurance coverage is not responsible for more than basic medical care from any condition or situation caused by your using or being under the influence of the drug. YOu cannot sue the drug companies or the pharmacies for any health or other effects from the drug use, etc.
The supply chain would be legalized and there would not be much profit to support the criminals who now supply most drugs. The drug companies would be able to make 100% or better profit. The pharmacies would make a good profit, and the street price would drop like a rock for most drugs.
Because the effects are solely on you, and everyone else can cut you out of their lives... I believe that drug use would also drop significantly for all the hard drugs. The reduction in crime worldwide would be significant.
Less people would destroy their lives - and destroy other lives.
Yeah, as if anyone willing to take the risk of using any of these drugs would worry about the risk of getting caught using them. Criminalising them does absolutely nothing to stop people using them. Giving them a criminal record for using them only serves to further ruin their lives and make it even harder to quit.
I’m a recovering addict. Thank god I have no drug offenses on my record, but I’ve put my drug abusing days in my past, why should that prevent me from getting a job now? Our system is seriously meant to keep a man down when he’s down.
e.g. I don’t have a driver’s license because I didn’t pay a fine. How am I supposed to go out and find a job or look for work, and then get to work to pay the fine when you take away my license? THEN, if you get caught driving without said license, they’ll lock you up in a MEDIUM/MAXIMUM SECURITY PRISON FOR 18 FUCKING MONTHS! I should know, cuz that’s the amount of time I served. Oh, and did I mention, that time is without the option of parole too. Murderers can get parole, but boy not if you drive without a license.
Man I'm sorry you've had it so tough, I can't imagine the anger and frustration you must've felt going through all that when it should've been so much fairer. Still I'm happy to hear you've put all that behind you. You should be proud, not a lot of people would've been able to rise above it.
I can’t say that it doesn’t still affect me today, because it does. IN MANY WAYS. But, I no longer let it define me or let it control my daily life. Which was not an easy thing to do. Thank you for your kind words and I hope all the best for you and your struggles, whatever they may be! :)
Yes, along with prostitution & tax the shit out of both of them. That way they could lower tax on essentials (though I doubt they'll do that, "gotta" make the rich richer after all).
Fuck off with the taxing though, no reason the government needs to profit off that. They aren't doing anything but enforcing less laws, we should get a tax rebate.
Is a tax rebate where the public gets the money? If so then yes they should do that.
Yeah I mean, if they stop enforcing pot laws that would save a lot of taxpayer money. So weed shouldn't be taxed and taxes should go down in general because of the lack of need for cops to enforce useless laws.
That probably won't be what they try to pull though.
aside from medical negligence and legitimate chronic pain patients i just cant understand how anyone would just decide to start takin opioids for fun with all todays blatant issues and awful examples of how it ends up
Alot of people dont realize that you get withdrawals so fast. They think they can just take them a few days and stop that its all mental. They dont realize in reality its all physical. It would be easy to just stop but the pain and sickness you go through makes it really hard
i get that but why start in the first place if its just recreational?
seems absurd to me but what do i know
I became addicted after first being prescribed Vicodin, then upped to Percocet and then to OxyContin and finally Diludid. By the time I finally got help and was able to get sober, I was doing ANY opiate I could get my hands on, heroine, fentanyl, morphine, you name it I’ve probably done it. But I can also say, I’ve never used a needle/shot up a drug in my life. Thank god.
I started when I tore my acl at 16. The doctor gave me some lortabs. After I took them I thought they were nice and a friend was sellinh them so I said why not. Just did it at partys at first til it made me sick
The government taking people's drugs is stealing, and stealing is immoral, so I am inherently against the government taking people's drugs. However, I am also against people using these drugs for non-medical purposes, because you're supposed to take good care of your body, and wasting your brain away with drugs is not doing that.