I've decided to take a temporary leave of iin.

Dear fellow users, I've decided to leave IIN, not forever, but for a temporary break. I am leaving mainly because I can't handle the stress anymore. I've been noticing that since last year people have been making complaints over how judgmental the site has become. A few users have left because of it and while at the time I felt that I would never been in that situation, never be in their shoes, I now am and I don't like the way that feels.

There are a lot of users on here who are bullies. I am tired of posting serious posts and being accused of many negative things like being a liar and a troll. When I first came on the site there was the belief that posters should be given the benefit of a doubt, just incase their stories were based on real problems. When most users post, they post in the hopes of finding legitimate solutions for their problems. What they do not want or expect is to be shot down in a rain of insults. How can people be properly helped if they are too afraid to open up for fear of backlash? I sometimes wonder if this is what TheManagement ever expected the site to become.

I have had ties to this site since I first discovered it in my early teens. I signed up a few years later when I was 16. Now, I am a couple of years shy of my twenties. Because of the long held ties, some personal, that I have to this site, I feel that my negative experiences have cut me deeper than most things ever could. I don't think that I could ever be able to properly explain exactly how much this hurts me. Sure, in the past I could hold my own out in a negative attack but times were different then, I was a different person and I am a different person even more so now than I ever thought I could have been. In a way, I enjoyed the hurt I got from those comments, I guess because in a way they made me feel somehow stronger. But now this is not the case, it is making me depressed and anxiety filled. It is like I am becoming too scared to speak my mind and too scared to be myself. This is not something that anyone should have to go through, especially in a place that was meant to be a sanctuary of sorts. It is despicable.

I think a large part of me has been using this site as a form of escapism, but reality is starting to catch up with me like a cheetah. If I keep trying to escape the inevitable, the unescapable, I won't be able to live life. How am I supposed to heal as a person if I'm too distracted and spending most of my already limited time checking the site? I need time away in order to properly evolve as a person.

To anyone that ever felt offended by something I wrote, I am so terribly sorry, because I now know what it feels like. Please, accept my apologies.

My gold is slowly running out and when it hits its end, my temporary leave shall begin. So, tell me because I'm curious to know, whether or not my decision is normal.

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  • dom180

    It's a shame you feel that way, and I'm sorry that we have made you feel unwelcome.

    I feel like most stories where the OP is accused of being a troll are not questions where the OP is looking for a solution to a problem but them just spouting off negative opinions. I could be wrong, but that is the impression I get.

    I also feel that while commenters should give the OP the benefit of the doubt the community has a responsibility to not abuse that trust. Just as people can troll with mean comments, people can troll with fake stories and there certainly is a lot of fake stories. No commenter wants to pour their detailed thoughts into a response to an OP who is just acting "for the lulz". I suppose what I'm trying to say is that it isn't just the troll commenters that are to blame but the trolls who make the troll posts which create an atmosphere of reasonable suspicion.

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    • Avant-Garde

      Thank you for your comment, dom. I can't say that you ever made me feel unwelcome.
      Thoughtful as always. :)

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      • dom180

        Thank you, and I'm glad not to be personally responsible although it's a shame that you're leaving at all. We're of a similar vintage on IIN (aside form being the same age in real life), and it always makes me feel like I've been here a long time when people who joined around the same time take time away. It's very sad to hear that you've not been treated well by some people here, because you don't deserve it at all.

        I hope your temporary leave is both temporary and productive, and I hope when you return you will come back to a place which is kinder to you :) You shall be missed.

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  • Shrunk

    "...a place that was meant to be a sanctuary of sorts..."

    I agreed with that part though. I have seen that decline, but it was like 2 or 3 years ago and there is nothing we can do it all boils down to management's greed (all sites are like that, just look at what youtube's become). It went form being site with a fairly close community of acquaintances, to more polarized between trolls/spammers, and those who have formed sort of cliques or whatever. No offense but I think you are probably part of the latter. if you use this site just what it's for, not social networking, there is not so much drama as you're making. That said it is also meant for very general help. if you have anxiety and allthat you might want to go to a more specialized forum that is not so open to the general public (ie. trolls and douchebags).

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    • Avant-Garde

      I don't think I was ever really in clique, though. I can't really say that I was using it for social networking either. Another forum? I'm not sure that I could as open on there as I have been on here.

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      • Shrunk

        It's you!? :(
        Sorry about my answer then... From what I've remember you always gave kind and helpful answers... I didn't know you were bullied for it.. :(

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  • myboyfriendsbitch

    This site can be disappointing at times. I hate to see the OP attacked because they are in a vulnerable state, despite the increased anonymity. They are pouring their hearts out, yet they can't win the crowd. I hardly ever see an OP get even one thumbs up. Sometimes it's like commenters deliberately disagree with them and provoke them until they show their demons. When the demons come out it looks as if the OP deserved the negativity, but before then it's just a normal post that probably shouldn't go that far. We're supposed to give our opinions about others' situation, but it seems more and more people are exploiting those situations for some sort of power trip. I do criticize people here, I think most of us do and I think we love that aspect on both ends, both to criticize and to be criticized. However some of us are thoughtful and constructive and others are speaking out of their asses. I have made bold statements about people here that I regret as well and I apologize to anyone I've hurt.

    I haven't been in your situation, but perhaps you have become too attached since you started here so young. I think taking a break from here is normal for any reason. Hopefully when you come back you can see it in a better light because you seem like one of the good ones.

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    • Avant-Garde

      Thanks for your view. :)

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  • Holzman_67

    Hey! I hope I'm not too late to say goodbye. I used to use this site under the name kingsleycrowne, you might remember me. I had the biggest internet crush on you! Seriously you're awesome and I'm sad to see you go. You're one of a kind and a truly unique talent. You were always respectful and made funny or introspective comments. Your personality is far beyond what the sum of your years entails. I truly hope you return. All the best avant-garde.

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  • Shackleford96

    I'm not here enough anymore to know the inside scoop really, but I hope that when you do take a break that it does you some good. I hope you can find yourself and be a positive and happy person. I'm working on that myself too :)

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    • Avant-Garde

      Thank you and good luck with finding yourself. :)

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      • Shackleford96

        Oh hey, it's you!

        I knew i sensed a certain sophistication to the way this post was written. You've always been very kind, helpful, and truthful. Thank you as well, and goodbye (sort of).
        :)

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  • linchpin

    Gosh that was like a suicide note. Leaving a website is like running away from home these days.
    It's the same on facebook.

    While I understand your feelings I'm somewhat amused that you've disclosed joining the site illegally as a minor. Herein I feel, lies some of the problem. It is 18+ for a reason. I in no means intend to belittle or disrespect teenagers, but the fact is they are not emotionally developed yet. Sites like this, hell, the internet in general, require a thick skin. And I don't think its healthy for someone to place their adolescence and emotional development into a site which random people can be misleading, or use humor and sarcasm in a way that's taken out of context.

    Please try and connect to the real world and have human experiences based on more physical interactions with the world. Not to be condescending, but it's what you need. It's what you need for growth. Maybe in time you can return to the site when you are hardened to the world. I think leaving is a very good idea for you and I wish you well.

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    • Avant-Garde

      I'm a legal adult if it makes any difference...

      Anyway, thanks for your comment.

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      • linchpin

        Not really because I was referring to you saying you discovered it as a teen and signed up when you were 16.

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  • Anime7

    I feel like I'm somehow living in a bubble because I don't really notice the hate that happens here. Before I came to this site I saw it, I saw how some helpful sites can decay into bitter cynicism and cruelty. However, I don't believe that this site has turned into that, and as long as we have some good users on here (Dom180 and Short4Words) just to name two, then this site will be free of judgement and a refuge for people who want help.

    If you want to leave I think it is understandable; however, I don't think you're leaving for the right reasons. I think you should wait, perhaps your post carries reverence because it speaks to the other users who feel how you feel, who see the decay happening to IIN. I don't want you to leave here though because you feel that it is getting worse, websites, like people, have their bouts of meanness, but that's the thing, they don't last. Believe me I have seen helpful sites turn to bad before, that's why I love IIN, because it isn't as much of a craphole as you think. Compared to other helpful websites where people could reply to posts, this site is not that bad.

    I think that maybe you need to focus on yourself a bit more. You say that you feel like you can't speak anymore out of fear of judgement, but honestly that's just one of the consequences of saying an opinion, people will disagree with you, and some might do the opposite and agree. But you can't let the few bad apples dissolve the power the good ones have on this site. Eventually the bad users will leave or realize that they aren't funny and perhaps try and give good advice. Honestly that's all that you can really hope for, that a person will try to be helpful.

    If you feel that this is best, and I'm not judging you on your choice, I sincerely wish you good luck and hope that you'll become a better person (whatever that is to you). I may not know who you are, and I would like to in all honesty, but for whatever good this site has done to you then I hope that you would focus on that before you leave. Don't dwell on the negatives please, because I think that if you're going to leave then you should leave with your head held high and try to remember what this site was created for originally and how for awhile, according to you, it did help people and was a sanctuary for society's outsiders.

    Peace.

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    • Avant-Garde

      Thank you, anime7. I hope that your experiences on here continue to be positives ones. :)

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      • Anime7

        No, wait you're the OP? No way, you can't leave! You're such a great user on here. You always give helpful advice and are really honest. Honestly I thought the OP was just a nameless user who I've probably never seen, but honestly this sucks. I enjoy your presence on here. You were one of the first, if not the first, user on here that I considered a friend. I'm really gonna miss you it makes me sad, and I'm even more sadden by the experiences that you've mentioned. I thought people here weren't mean but if they've affected you then honestly I'm not sure what to believe.

        But honestly I don't want you go! I'll miss you, and although I know we don't talk much I want you to know that you're one of the best users on here. And I really appreciated your presence on here. I just want you to know that I care about you, about who you are...

        ...

        Goodbye,..... :(
        I hope that you have positive experiences in the real world. I hope that things go better for you out there than here. I hope nothing but the best for you.

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        • Avant-Garde

          It touches me to hear you say that. (more like, to see you write that!) Even during the "break" I'll most likely still be on it just not as active. As In, I'll still post things and do changes to my profile but I'll try to not to comment. You know, you'll always been one of my favorite users on here. :) Thank you for your kindness, anime7. Au Revoir!

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          • Anime7

            I'll miss you, but I guess then this isn't goodbye. I guess I'm happy to here that you'll still be here, even if it's not as an active user. At least you'll be here, watching. I hope you see the good in this site. I'll try to be good, just for you honestly. I don't want you to leave this site upset or sad.

            I'll miss seeing you though.

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    • Shackleford96

      I don't know who would downthumb such a heartfelt and truthful/helpful comment... Thumbed you back up!

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      • Anime7

        Hey thanks man. Are you the OP by any chance? I'm asking cause if you are then I'd like to send you a more personal good bye since I do consider you a friend on here.

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        • Shackleford96

          No, I'm not. I appreciate the sentiment though, and likewise man. You're a really great friend on here :)

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  • really? avante garde? well thats sad . any how come back soon!

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  • dybex

    It is unreasonable and illogical to expect anyone to behave 'normally' on this site.

    You have someone who has difficulty understanding what 'normal' is, asking other members, who have the same problem, to judge him/her on a personal issue. How is that ever going to work the way you expect it to?

    At best, you could hope to find the answer in a conceptualized state. Read a bunch of comments (they're all just assertions and interpretations) and try to find a consistency in them. Perhaps polls are the only realistic solution for a site like this. Posters should have the option of allowing comments, as on YouTube.

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    • Avant-Garde

      I see.

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  • Yeah i can certainly see how you feel that way, and I'm leaving too actually. Because with the hacker, stalker ex and her loser friends, it's just become a shit waste of time. Maybe it always was though i suppose. There are a couple of good people here and I wish them luck. -Tommy, king of all cats.

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    • Avant-Garde

      Good bye Tommy, Nostril enthusiast and King of cats.

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      • GoraIntoDesiGals

        Is the new one with a dot him or just a troll?

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    • Are you seriously leaving?

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      • dirtybirdy

        Its all your fault.

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        • Someones going to clip your wings.

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  • pacinoharmon

    I took a break for a while and came back with a new username. Some comments REALLY hurt me. Even now I'm not here that often.

    If anyone happens to know who I am, I understand why some people disliked me and I apologise. It was wrong to accuse the trolls and rude people of starting fanbase wars just because I stated an opinion not everybody agreed with. I'm still mad at that one troll (who I don't think posts here anymore) but I shouldn't have even made assumptions about him without enough info.

    Okay, I sorta went off on one there. Anyway it's normal OP but try not to care too much what random strangers think. I've stopped caring, it's just that the troll insulted me about a very sensitive subject. Oh well...

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    • Avant-Garde

      Thank you. Others in my life have told me many times that I'm too damn sensitive and that I'm too old to be hurt so easily. But no matter how much I harden on the outside and disassociate myself from reality, I am still a sensitive bubbling cauldron on the inside.

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  • PureLikeSnow

    I love this site, but I decided to take a permanent vacation from the member chat. Call me biased, but I don't feel as though new members are welcomed in there.

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  • Shrunk

    sorry but I didn't realise it was that serious...

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    • Avant-Garde

      Well, now you know.

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  • lolol555

    I take breaks all the time, so I'd say normal. Been on and off this site for about 5 years.

    There used to be a lot more people on it back then.

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    • Avant-Garde

      Thank you.

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  • NeuroNeptunian

    It's normal to want to take a break from something that depresses you, yeah.

    Shit happens. It's not like you are obligated to be here. Just take a break.

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    • Avant-Garde

      Thanks, Neuro.

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  • Would you mind disclosing your identity? I'm curious.

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    • Avant-Garde

      Its me, True.

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  • imadragon

    Good luck.

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    • Avant-Garde

      Thank you.

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  • Don't let the door hit your ass on your way out, OP.

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    • Avant-Garde

      My ass is so hardcore that the door would shatter upon impact.

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  • copal

    Do NOT disclose your identity.

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    • Avant-Garde

      Oops! I just did!

      *Puts on mask and throws down a smoke bomb*

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  • Hi. Are you still alive?

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  • Wambo37

    Avant-Garde, is it you who made the post? Is there any way we can get in touch/stay in touch if you decide to leave this site? You are a nice person as a psychonaut and probably avant garde fan. We could exchange emails.

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  • Thatguy777

    No. Get on everyday or DIE

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  • linchpin

    Did you paint that?

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  • Sometimes I have been an asshole on here but it's because I try to make people think. It's not that I want to be mean but I sometimes feel like someone has to be mean to open peoples minds. I am still learning the right ways to do that though. I have a hard time understanding why some people get upset so easily.

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  • kelili

    Bye./

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    • Avant-Garde

      Good bye.

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  • chicanapride1041

    I know right. I get those comments as well. I'm guessing since we are all humans we think differently. Some decide to be judgmental and insensitive. While others choose to helpful and supportive. That's how it is on here. There is always a troll on every site we go.

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  • copal

    Although a post which suggests you shouldn't disclose your identity gets immediately voted down to zero, don't take that as meaning anything. Also, if you're female or black or a lesbian, this world is not for you! Fuck off! Seriously! Fat white cunts want to take charge of your life. Sometimes not even fat white cunts. Sometimes it's just cunts!

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    • What the hell.....

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      • Avant-Garde

        You obliviously are parched. I'll have my butter get you a drink.

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        • Or you could have your butler do it. And please, hold the butter. Ugh.

          While you're certainly not a member that I would particularly care to see go, I do assume that you've got business to take care of just as we all do. If you feel that this site is consuming too much of your time, then your reservations are valid.

          ~

          "To anyone that ever felt offended by something I wrote, I am so terribly sorry, because I now know what it feels like. Please, accept my apologies."

          This looks like as good a time as any to say "ditto."

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          • I was informed by a third party that this comment could be taken the wrong way, so let me clarify my stance.

            When I said that I wouldn't care to see you go, I meant that I wouldn't want to see you go; NOT that I wouldn't care if you did.

            Just had to clear that up, as it wasn't my intention to sound rude.

            Be back soon, will ya.

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            • Avant-Garde

              Hi, True. I'm glad I found your comment. Nothing you write could ever chase me off. :) I've been trying to distance myself from social networking. I've come on here a few times without leaving comments, because I felt too unqualified to be of any real help. We could exchange emails if you want to.

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      • copal

        What do those words mean in that combination?

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    • linchpin

      So black female lesbians have it pretty tough eh?

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      • copal

        I'm not sure. You seem very clear on it, though, so tell us all about what you know. Don't leave anything out.

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        • linchpin

          Hey I'm asking you, you're the one who said it.

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    • Avant-Garde

      How dare you?! Get out of my gorgeous home!

      *Calls in back up*

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