I want to die from peaceful euthanasia in a swiss suicide clinic

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For the record, I'm not suicidal, but as far as life planning goes, I don't want to ever see life on the other side of age 50. I've seen enough from other people that aren't even 40 yet, that are full of chronic health problems.

My plan is to take my money to a comfortable euthanasia clinic in Switzerland, run by Dignitas, to be peacefully deleted.

Most people aren't intellectually bright enough to see that this is a smart plan. They cling to illusions that old age is dreamy retirement in a senior assisted living facility, or with family. They have this demented idea that they should live life until they die naturally. I've witnessed the painful truth. I've seen animals, human and non-human all die. It's fucked up without the assistance of wonderous pharmaceuticals.

This has all persuaded my choice to get myself euthanized when the time comes that life gets too shitty to continue.

Is this normal, or not normal?

Or, am I just abnormally enlightened and realistic?

Natural death is fucking sick! I wish I could get the images of it all out of my mind.

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  • [Old Memory]
    5 years ago

    If you are so sure about this and consider that everyone who disagrees is demented and not as intellectually bright as you are, then why are you asking us? Are you going to argue with everyone that disagrees and keep telling us how great this idea is? How is that going to help you? Do you truly need some advice or opinions, or are you here just to brag about what a brilliant idea you got?

    Btw I think it's one of the worst ideas I have ever heard and it shows serious signs of mental degradation. Abnormal and completely nonsensical.

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    • Anonymous Post Author
      5 years ago

      If you wish to tell me why it's one of the worst ideas, I am willing to read what you say. No, I'm not one with blinders on.

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      • [Old Memory]
        5 years ago

        Alright. Apologies for perhaps a rushed answer. There are lots of people here who do such things.

        I believe that you are going in the wrong direction. Humans have been confronting problems forever and after a history full of blood and terror, we finally managed to make the transition (partially and relatively recently) to a civilized world where people can aspire to a decent lifespan of 80 years, instead of 30 due to diseases and wars and poverty and evilness. We finally made it and now we need to continue to work hard on improving our prospects and to continue our evolution.

        We need a healthy future for our offspring, a bright future where bloodshed and tyranny is forbidden and degeneracy is discouraged. We need a better world and we need all the power we can get. This also includes grandparents who can share their experience and play key roles in families, who can inspire trustworthiness and wiseness. If people start killing themselves and get scared by every problem we encounter, like diseases, we will be no examples to our children. They will learn how to have fear, how to run away from problems and will be unable to confront the difficulties of life. Soon enough they will choose the same and we will go "backwards" in time and destroy ourselves.

        Everybody now has approximately 3 anomalies (at least). This mindset leads to the conclusion that we should all commit suicide, as the problems get even worse due to our continuous abuse of environment. How can we survive then? We need educated people who inspire their childrens to slowly repair and undo the damage. Children need parents and grandparents to educate them right, or they will be even more confused and depressed when seeing that we choose suicide instead of taking responsibility for our families.

        Look at our ancestors. They were brave, they were powerful and they fought and risked their own lives so that we exist. Their vision was to sacrifice themselves so that we can enjoy freedom and happiness. At least a bit more than they had. How do we repay them? How do we make their sacrifices valuable? Killing ourselves is definitely going to make all their efforts and deaths in vain. And also it is against the natural instinct of survival, and soon enough we will go extinct. Maybe you are ok with this, but what if people around you aren't? What if your grandchildren want you to be there for them? You cannot deprive them of this right.

        You did not create yourself and you did not decide how much to live, therefore you should not decide to end you life unless in very exceptional circumstances, which definitely do not apply to you.

        I wanted to have my family close to me. I wanted them to protect me. Instead, they abused and tortured me and they wanted me to die or leave, since I was a burden. This was from the moment I was born, so I left home at the age of 16 to escape from this terror. Also mental illness and suicides were common in my family, and this weak mentality caused me so much damage, mentally and physically. I wish I had mentally strong parents and grandparents to protect and help me while I am young and unprepared, as the natural instincts should guide everyone to do with their offspring. They stole my right to freedom and happiness and childhood, so I had to fight very hard to gain it back.

        So, I am asking you, sir/madam, who are you to take the right of your offspring to have a strong and healthy family? Who are you to go against natural instincts and to end your life, especially given that you did not create yourself, but other people did? Life is hard, yes. Do you want to make it harder for others then? Or do you want to confront it and help your offspring have a better life instead? Do you want not to have children instead? Do you want us to go extinct? Are you truly entitled to decide this? It is not normal, and when humans (tyrans) got to decide who lives and who dies, our world was dominated by terror.

        I do not want to be dismissive of your life experience, but I saw a lot of things in my life, too, and I feel like your decision sounds like you still need more life experience to consider such things. This decision is not only yours, it also affects people around you, people who depend on you and need you to support them and even to create them by reproducing, which is the natural and normal direction for living beings.

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        • Anonymous Post Author
          5 years ago

          Wow, elaborate reply! Great read!

          I'm not suicidal, lol. This is purely for life planning purposes. I can always put it off later. I wouldn't go through with euthanasia unless I've got some seriously chronic shit going on. I'm lucky. I have nothing, so life's all peachy right now. I just know what really happens to people later in life, and I think it's pointless for people to linger through it, unless they want to do so. I don't.

          Regarding your post, I'm not quite as idealistic as you seem to be. I've been disillusioned. I've frequently seen death up close and personal, more often than you might want to imagine, so I'm familiar with it. I've been the one trying to manage the individual's suffering through the entire ordeal. Let me tell you, that's nothing to romanticize or idealize. It's exhausting trying to manage pain control in a living creature going through hell. Yeah, I use to think, save life at all costs. Now, I'm all about pain relief for anything suffering. I'm all about relieving their suffering. I've learned that here in reality, euthanasia by way of pharmaceuticals actually works. I've been present throug the entire process. I've seen that compared to natural death. I can assure you, euthanasia, if done right, is a dream science discovery that does relieve suffering that can't be fixed any other way. I've pulled the stage curtains back on life, and I'm looking at it all with a crisp unedited vision of unimaginative reality.

          Given your background as a child, your resiliance is astonishing. So, you still have some faith in humanity there. Damn, that's nice. Pretty good read on what you wrote, for sure. I can still be disagreeable, lol. My experiences lead me to think, eh, let's go for extinction, even just semi-extinction. Too many idiots out there have kids that shouldn't!

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          • TheHolyButter
            5 years ago

            Good reply there. But still, don't do it. You never know what the next day brings, right? Maybe that day at age 74, you decide to die but you somehow don't, and the very next day brings you something completely unexpected, and you yearn to live for it... and it starts seeming that life is too short? You want to live now, through all your troubles, because this now is magical! It could be anything. Some love, some old friend who now suddenly matters a lot to you, or even a new born child in the family you don't want to take your eyes off, some passion, a patriotic fight for your country (even if there's a war and you can't do much, you want to be around to see how it turns out) You don't even know what you'll feel like then. So... just don't.

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          • [Old Memory]
            5 years ago

            Euthanasia is still suicide.
            Thinking of it is still suicidal.

            I was not inspired by this illusion of having faith in humanity before. In fact, in my life, people were as dismissive of humanity as they could. They were always negative and always letting me down. Then, I changed my life and I realised myself that positivity is the way to go. It is not an illusion, it is not something I was spoon fed. It is something I discovered myself by having the guts to change my life. And it works. This is a fact, this is not an illusion. But why did I have to go through all the shit to find this out? Because people are terrible, and I managed to change myself. The worst thing I could possibly do now is to let such people spread their toxic attitude, instead of spreading a strong, positive and realistic attitude of having faith and putting effort into humans for the sake of our future.

            There is a common misconception that sad, pessimistic people are wiser. People tend to believe that these guys know more than others and that makes them so unhappy. Also, optimistic people are considered unwise or sometimes stupid for being so happy, because they are considered unaware of the magnitude of our problems.

            This is very untrue. Optimistic people who keep fighting have better chances of success and their attitude changes our world. Especially when times are hard, these people are to be admired from this perspective. Positivity keeps us alive and has the power to change us. This way, we still have a chance (otherwise we have no chance) and we should definitely take advantage of it.

            I was the victim of failed assassination attempts set up by my own father who plotted my death in different ways, through starvation which lead to excruciating pain for years and depression and abuse, as we confessed he wants me to suicide. But I won the war with him after 16 years of terror. Then I ran away and I decided I will still have a normal and even successful life, in spite of my condition. So I managed to get help and I studied hard and graduated college with am excellent grade of 96% without having a familiy close to me, as everyone else did back then. I won again because I believed I can and because I put effort and hope into it. Then I emigrated to change my perspective of the world and to try to break the bonds with my country that brought me depression and a hell of a life, even though people said I can't afford it and I don't have the support so I won't make it. But I did. I got a job and I worked very hard and I still managed to get the grades I aspired to in order to get any job I want. I won again, in spite of my condition. Everytime I keep setting bigger goals, and now I wish to become a business leader. Seeing my business plans, nobody said to me that it's impossible, because they now know power. I will win again. And I will keep winning in life, because I do not lose my hope and I refuse to give up.

            In fact, if I had a dollar everytime someone told me I can't achieve my goals, I would already be a business leader. This is no illusion, this is my life. And I had nothing more powerful than my own confidence to make it just as I want it to be.

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            • TheHolyButter
              5 years ago

              Why did your father want you to suicide? He could just have dropped you somewhere, if he so hated you.
              I feel really sorry, reading al this. What about your mom?

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  • _confused_
    5 years ago

    I think it's absolutely normal, you can do whatever you want with your life.

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  • HypnoDom
    5 years ago

    I remember listening to a podcast episode talking about doctors in a city working together to get people to make end of life decisions ahead of time. Let's see... here it is, the Planet Money episode entitled "The Town Where Everyone Talks About Death"
    https://www.npr.org/sections/money/2014/03/05/286126451/living-wills-are-the-talk-of-the-town-in-la-crosse-wis

    The upshot was that people who think about these weighty matters ahead of time are likely to say they would not want to be kept on life support or want superhuman efforts made to prolong their life when they are old and in very poor health. This resulted in a lot less stress and expense for families that would otherwise have felt guilty and tried to maintain the lives of the individuals involved for as long as possible, even if they were just hollow shells on life support.

    My grandmother died when she was 60. Brain cancer. My mother said the worst thing she could imagine happening would be to lose her mind like that, to not be herself anymore. She succumbed to the same form of cancer at the same age. Will I be affected as well? The thought terrifies me, but only time will tell. What I do know is that I don't want to be kept alive through artificial means if I am no longer myself, if I am no longer able to think rationally or provide value. I want to pass on before that point, although hopefully it will be much later in life.

    I trained in martial arts under some impressive elderly gentlemen. Our local newspapers featured the story of an athlete in his 80s who paddled a canoe nonstop over 100 miles in a race. Many of our greatest scientists, inventors and businessmen had their greatest accomplishments after 50--most of our presidents have been over that age when in office. Think of Ronald Reagan, who was criticized for taking office in his advanced age and responded by saying "I will not make age an issue of this campaign. I am not going to exploit, for political purposes, my opponent's youth and inexperience"

    Add to that the likelihood that we'll see enhanced life expectancy soon with advanced in medical science.

    All this to say... when you are 50 years old, you will likely have a rather different opinion on if your life is over. If you are dissatisfied with your life at that point, it is likely because of what you haven't done yet, and you will still have time then.

    But I do respect the idea that you want to pass on while you still have the mental faculties to make your own decisions, and you don't want to be a burden on family or society. I just think you might end up being more flexible and situational in your reasoning in time instead of setting 50 as a hard limit.

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  • Fugazi,again
    5 years ago

    You sound like a coward

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  • lordofopinions
    5 years ago

    Life is precious. I could see myself wanting to be euthenized if I was in chronic pain or had an illness with no cure that was making my life miserable. But if you're healthy no matter what your age then live life and enjoy it.

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  • lonewolf1253
    5 years ago

    There are no doctors on the planet, unless they're criminals, who will euthanize a healthy person. You live in a fantasy world. If you want to die young, then just pop a mega dose of fentanyl laced heroin. Easier to get than pharmaceuticals.

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    • Anonymous Post Author
      5 years ago

      Check how laws have adapted because you're in error. Fortunately, some people in more progressive parts of the world have realized that this is progress. People shouldn't face agonizing destructive diseases if they don't need to do so. Diseases aren't kindly terminal. They involve a painful procession as a prelude to death. Thankfully, we have the means to relieve their suffering. That, to me, is progress. If a disease is curable, or fairly managable, sure, do that first, obviously! But, unlike most of you that haven't ever been present to witness and deal with horrid diseases up close and personal, I figure your silly optimistic and unrealistic replies indicate that you're talking out your ass because you have no experience dealing with actual life/death issues. In places that have more progressive right-to-die policies in place, regarding assisted suicide, there are stringent guidelines in place. Good grief, in my case, my choice is a carefully thought out decision. It's for life planning purposes only. I've seen people languishing away as bedridden corpses that only look like a shadow of their former selves. Exactly how is that a worthy quality of life? It's not. Let's be realistic. Have any of you ever talked to caregivers of Alzheimer's sufferers? Wow! Merciful death is the kindest option, since cures, reasonably good care, and immortality aren't an option at this time. Obviously, use medical options to their full extent, but this is an option.

      You're clueless if you believe that doctors don't perform mercy killing. They do! Thank goodness, they do, if it's done solely to relieve suffering for patients. I'm just glad that veterinarians can perform euthansia without much legal hassle getting in their way.

      I don't live in a fantasy world. Fantasy world = the idiot that thinks they'll live peachy bliss keen to age 103 with no troubles at all. That's unrealistic! You want to be prepared for the worst, and have your intentions in writing, so if/when the worst arrives, you've got your shit together, so you don't end up in a bedridden vegetative state, wasting away to die of agonizingly natural causes. That would suck! Excuse me, we've got the ability to create humane end of life options. I'm entirely in favor of it, if someone wishes to go that route. To me, it's a peace of mind decision.

      Simple enough to pull this info up.

      "Physician aid in dying (PAD), or assisted suicide, is legal in the states of Washington DC, California, Colorado, Oregon, Vermont, Hawaii, and Washington." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euthanasia_in_the_United_States

      The right to die in Belgium: An inside look at the world’s most liberal euthanasia law
      https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/right-die-belgium-inside-worlds-liberal-euthanasia-laws

      Euthanasia rising in Belgium, including more who are not terminally ill
      https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-euthanasia-belgium/euthanasia-rising-in-belgium-including-more-who-are-not-terminally-ill-idUSKCN11M03D

      My last big adventure: Parkinson's disease sufferer's video diary of final weeks before ending life with Dignitas
      https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/dignitas-adventure-video-andrew-tyler-10926684

      My Right to Die
      https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/01/assisted-suicide-legalization-california-kevin-drum/

      Doctor-Assisted Suicide Now Legal in 6 States
      http://www.governing.com/topics/health-human-services/gov-hawaii-assisted-suicide-dying-state.html

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      • lonewolf1253
        5 years ago

        I said healthy persons. No need to write a goddamn book son.

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        • Anonymous Post Author
          5 years ago

          You might want to read the links for your own curiosity's sake. It's something you, and all mortals will face. Education = good planning. Very wise thing to do.

          You were in error. I provided details.

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          • lonewolf1253
            5 years ago

            I'm 58 and in good health. My father is 86 and golfs every day. Not everyone develops chronic, unbearable conditions and in those that do, it's usually the result of living an unhealthy lifestyle. Some just have bad genes. But to say you don't want to see the other side of 50 is pessimistic thinking to say the least. As for physician assisted suicide, I'm all for it. Shit, I live in Michigan and Jack Kevorkian pioneered the practice here. Now, he's dead and it's banned which I don't agree with.
            That being said, take care of yourself and you will probably find that there is life after 50. Shit, I could pass for 45. If my life becomes unbearable due to a medical infirmity, I'll be at the head of the line to be euthanized. Until then, I'll continue to enjoy life. It's the only one we're going to get.

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            • Anonymous Post Author
              5 years ago

              Thumbs up on that post!
              Well, lo and behold I was mistaken! You have been there, done that.
              Why didn't you just say that you realize that euthanasia has it's place when absolutely necessary!!!! That's all I'm insisting, no more.
              I gotta agree that prevention and healthy life choices are a powerful antidote to future ailments. Oh, my parents? They're careless crap depressives that have chosen to wallow away making poor choices. No shock that they look older than they should! Can I have your dad please? He's like one of my awesome neighbors that's 83, doesn't smoke or anything. I see him with his Navy hat on his head, and he's fit, trim, and usually outside working on a garden, or leaving for the weekend with his boat.

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            • lonewolf1253
              5 years ago

              Oh, and for the record, I took care of my mother in at home hospice for almost 5 months and have had to put 4 dogs to sleep during my lifetime. My mother was a smoker. My father was smart enough to quit before it was too late. In my lap right now is a 17 year old Maltese, this was my mothers dog that I inherited, that I will probably have to put to sleep soon. I've seen plenty of death in my time and will probably see more. But as long as a person or animal still has some enjoyment of life, I wouldn't advise rushing to a euthanasia clinic.
              Now, if you'll excuse me, I have to take this little dog out to pee before bed. He's not done yet. But I'll no doubt have to make that tough decision soon.

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  • McBean
    5 years ago

    You can get euthanasia pills in states with right to die laws. If I get a painful condition, I might do the same thing. Otherwise, death by dehydration will be okay.

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    • lonewolf1253
      5 years ago

      Death by dehydration? That would be a horrific way to die. In fact, I doubt most could even do it. A slow, painful death? No thanks!

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      • McBean
        5 years ago

        Ever heard of hospice? Hospice is death by dehydration, and it is not painful. Your kidneys eventually fail and you fall into a Uric acid induced coma. You feel really apathetic. Supplemental oxygen makes it easy to breathe.

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        • lonewolf1253
          5 years ago

          I took care of my mother in at home hospice for 5 months until she died. She wanted to die at home, of course. Medicare pays for everything. If you go inpatient, it's like 310 dollars a day. I took her out to lunch many times. Nurses, social workers, all kinds of people come to adjust meds and whatever else the patient needs. She had 4 1/2 more good pain free months before she finally went downhill. What your talking about is basically suicide. Hospice is end of life care in the most humane way possible.
          I did look up the dehydration thing on google. That's for people who are pretty much already good as dead and the dehydration speeds it up. I know all about hospice care as I was a hospice caregiver.

          Hospice Care

          Considered to be the model for quality, compassionate care for people facing a life-limiting illness or injury, hospice care involves a team-oriented approach to expert medical care, pain management, and emotional and spiritual support expressly tailored to the patient's needs and wishes. Support is provided to the patient's loved ones as well. At the center of hospice and palliative care is the belief that each of us has the right to die pain-free and with dignity, and that our families will receive the necessary support to allow us to do so.

          This is hospice care McBean Look up Hospice on wiki. You will read nothing about dehydration.

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          • McBean
            5 years ago

            I also took care of my mother at home with support of an off-site hospice care team before she died. Unlike your mother, her cancer was spreading fast, so she wanted dehydration to speed things up to avoid pain. It took 8 days. Although Wikipedia says nothing about the way palliative care is done, Uric acid comas are central focus of end-stage pain management.

            Sorry about your Mom.

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            • lonewolf1253
              5 years ago

              I disagree but I'm sorry about your mother as well. Every case is different. My mother had heart failure and withholding food or water was never discussed.

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    • Anonymous Post Author
      5 years ago

      That's last option is rough and archaic. Goodness, no. You want beautiful unconciousness first. All peaceful. All compassionate. All humane.

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      • McBean
        5 years ago

        Except hospice is all about dehydration. If you are dying from a non-painful condition, it's a good way to go, provided that you have an oxygen machine for the patient.

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  • palepunk
    5 years ago

    Suicide is a sin.

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    • Ellenna
      5 years ago

      Says who?

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