Is it normal i'm a liberal and i don't like islam.

I'm a liberal. I'm not racist, I believe in gender equality, I believe in a fair society, and I'd never hurt anyone.

However.

I started reading the Qur'an recently and...it is NOT a religion of peace. At all. Everything I have read so far is about killing the infidel and beating your wife. I'm not exaggerating. If you don't believe me, go read it yourself.

How can people say this is a religion of peace? I don't have anything against Muslims as individuals, I grew up in a Muslim country, and I simply did not expect to read what I've read so far.

Again, I'm not preaching hate or advocating intolerance or picking on Muslims, but I'm genuinely shocked. Everything I've read so far is completely against Western values,by which I mean it's against EVERYONE who doesn't also follow Islam. I can't see how any Muslim who has grown up reading this stuff couldn't hate people from different religions. The whole thing is about hating people from different religions!

is it normal to consider yourself liberal and tolerant but be shocked and frightened after reading the Qur'an? I'm from the UK by the way.

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  • SuperBenzid

    When I read the Quran the constant woe to unbelievers your going to hell was so boring. Just constantly the same message repeated over and over in slightly different words. I never thought I would find a book more boring than the Bible but the Bible is way better than the Quran.

    I consider myself pretty left wing and also anti-Islam. There is no problem in disliking hateful ideologies.

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  • reddragon67

    You are free about what you believe or what you like, it's 100% personal freedom, I'm a Modern Muslim, but that does not mean I hate the rest of the religions, but on the contrary, I respect and admire it as long as they do not infringe on personal freedoms. By the way my best friends is Christian and we are like brothers. I generally read the Qur'an , the Bible and the Torah, and I have reservations on the whole, I prefer to deal with God directly, without the mediation of books centuries old. Greetings.

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    • Thank you for your input, I really appreciate it. It's good to know that some Muslims take this stuff with a pinch of salt, the same way Christians do with the Bible and Jews with the Torah. I guess I just worry that proportionately, many Muslims are not as modern as you - I live in a Muslim area in East London, and I have had eggs thrown at me for wearing shorts in the summer, and been verbally harassed for the same reason.

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      • reddragon67

        I really understand your suffering, the difference between us is I live in a Muslim country, but I visited many countries from East and West and tried to get the good habits from every civilization I had seen .. and the funny thing is when I am right in the European country felt more comfortable because I feel that there are no people encroaching on my personal freedom or my privacy.

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  • NSOV

    I dislike all religion... it's all a joke to me.

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  • RoseIsabella

    Welcome to reality my left-wing friend. Nothing wrong with how you feel; you just stopped drinking the Kool Aid is all. Congratulations!
    ;-)

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  • DeanWilkonson

    No-one likes muslims.

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  • Amy347

    Yes, I find most religions to be contradictory to some degree. I encourage people to believe in what makes them happy and overall better people. Religion can do some good things, but not everyone needs it to be a good person. So, yes.. It's normal that you question your beliefs.. just stick to what makes you happy. :)

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  • ines123

    u can't understand everything in qur'an without someone explaining it for u (i mean an expert).so don't judge without being 100% sure about what u have read.

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    • I'm just gonna copy and paste what I just replied to someoone else cuz it took forever to type out...two word for word quotes from the qur'an which seem pretty self-explanatory to me:

      'and fight them until there is no more fitnah (disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah (and all and every kind of) worship is for Allah alone.'

      Another quote 'Al-Jihad (holy fighting) in Allah's cause (with full force of numbers and weaponry) is giving utmost importance in Islam and is one of its pillars (on which it stands). By jihad Islam is established, Allah's word is made superior, and his religion is propagated. By abandoning jihad (may Allah protect us from that) Islam is destroyed and the Muslims fall into an inferior position: their honour is lost, their lands are stolen, their rule and authority vanish. Jihad is an obligatory duty in Islam on every Muslim, and he who tries to escape from this duty, or in his innermost heart does not wish to fulfill this duty, dies with the hated qualities of a hypocrite'.

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      • ines123

        like i said .. u need some one to explain it for u cuz in this is about the old days where kuffar(anti-muslim people) used to hurt muslims so qur'an says fight them and defend on yourselfs and jihad is fighting\killing who fights u not anyone,in the name of allah and islam.

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        • 'Take not as your Bitanuh (advisors, consultants, protectors, helpers, friends) those outside your religion (pagans, Jews, Christians and hypocrites), since they will not fail to do their best to corrupt you. They desire to harm you severely. Hatred has already appeared from their mouths, but what their breasts conceal is far worse.'

          Also, jihad is defined as a struggle against non-believers, not against people who fight you first. It does say in the qur'an that if people change and stop disbelieving you should let them be ('and fight them until there is no more fitnah (disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah (and all and every kind of) worship is for Allah alone.' But if they cease, let their be no trangression except against Az-Zalumun (the polytheists and wrong-doers)' but that's not exactly open-minded, is it?

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          • ines123

            wait a sec,,where r u from?

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            • UK

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  • NobodyKnows

    Any religion *can* be a religion of peace, if it's followers make it one. That being said, Islam clearly has some issues that no other religion on the globe currently has to that degree.

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  • wistfulmaiden

    Im not sure if Im liberal or not(I think Im somewhere in the middle0 but I don't like any religious propaganda which justified violence. Islam is certainly a violent practice anyone who says otherwise is lying, ignorant or practicing a sissy version!

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  • Ésserhumà

    Dear friend,seeing that you dont like muslim people,you cannot be considered liberal,as Voltaire saw "Je déteste ce que tu dis mais je me ferais tuer pour que tu puisses toujours le dire"(I hate what you say but I'd kill for that you can always tell).
    But about your question I think islams aren't bad people,but as any other religion,people or group there's the bad and good part,you just do not need to generalize.

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  • iezegrim

    I hear you. As a British resident, you would probably agree with me that what's happening to Birmingham is pretty scary. However, in the Hebrew Bible, which is part of our scriptures, there are numerous references to stoning adulterous women.

    In the era before DNA tests and contraception, a man needed to make sure that his assets were inherited by his own biological issue and not some other man's, (The rate of non-paternity in western countries is a bout 4%). Hence, he had to control his wife's sexuality. That's why marriage was "invented". As men are physically stronger than women, they were able to wield absolute power in the home before there were laws against domestic violence and statutory rape. If the positions were reversed, we as women would have done exactly the same thing. When I grew up in the sixties, if your husband beat or raped you, and you called the police, they would never press charges because it was considered a "private matter". In the movie "Lovelace", that happens and it was the seventies in LA.

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    • Putting the whole sexism thing to one side, I quote: 'and fight them until there is no more fitnah (disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah (and all and every kind of) worship is for Allah alone.' Another quote 'Al-Jihad (holy fighting) in Allah's cause (with full force of numbers and weaponry) is giving utmost importance in Islam and is one of its pillars (on which it stands). By jihad Islam is established, Allah's word is made superior, and his religion is propagated. By abandoning jihad (may Allah protect us from that) Islam is destroyed and the Muslims fall into an inferior position: their honour is lost, their lands are stolen, their rule and authority vanish. Jihad is an obligatory duty in Islam on every Muslim, and he who tries to escape from this duty, or in his innermost heart does not wish to fulfill this duty, dies with the hated qualities of a hypocrite'.

      Those are both word for word quotes from the Qur'an.

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  • Tommythecat.

    Islam actually sounds pretty rad.

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  • togoleck

    I think perhaps you are allowed to like and dislike things. I heard it was okay to think.

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  • sega31098

    You sound like Geert Wilders. He considers himself a liberal yet he is very anti-Islam.

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