Is it normal i think tolerant christians are very nice, but also hypocritical?

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I think it's fine if someone is gay or not. Many Christians condemn homosexuality though, based on the Bible. I think these Christians are mean bastards. However, there also Christians who fully accept homosexuality as a normal phenomenon. Although these Christians are a lot nicer than the first category of Christians, they are also being hypocritical, because the Bible REALLY IS anti-gay. I think these tolerant Christians should STOP fooling themselves into believing their vile God accepts accepts gay people. That's just plain laughable. It seems to me they simply choose to disregard (or explain away) what is inconvenient to their moral preconceptions.

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  • bananaface
    11 years ago

    Um, isn't that the whole point? I think it's a good thing when people read it, and still stick with what they believe, rather than just blindly obeying every word in it. People are supposed to think for themselves, and if they think being gay is fine (why that's even an issue is beyond me), then they shouldn't just change their mind because they were told to. It's not really possible to follow everything in the Bible, anyway. Also, this may be a stupid point, but God didn't write the Bible, you know.

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    • BLAh81
      11 years ago

      "I think it's a good thing when people read it, and still stick with what they believe, rather than just blindly obeying every word in it."

      So do I, but "Christians" shouldn't be so foolish as to call themselves Christians if they (rightly BTW) don't believe everything the Bible says. After all, blindly obeying is EXACTLY what being a Christian is all about.

      If you believe the Bible is God's word - and that that God is PERFECT - you CANNOT throw out some of the rules, simply because you don't like 'em. It makes you a hypocrite.

      BTW, I'm perfectly aware the Bible wasn't written by a "God". Like you said, it is indeed a stupid point. No offense BTW. I actually quite like you ;)

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      • bananaface
        11 years ago

        Hehe, don't worry, I'm not offended:). I know I was stating the obvious, it's just that sometimes it's like people actually think God wrote it or something. I didn't think that the Bible was considered an accurate portrayal of "God's words", if he even does exist. How could it be?

        But how can you follow every word anyway? Like I said, I don't think it's possible. There are quite a few contradictions in it, so you can't have t both ways. You can't believe in "an eye for an eye" and forgiveness at the same time. It doesn't add up.

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        • BLAh81
          11 years ago

          You're right about the Bible containing numerous contradictions (http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/contra/by_name.html). However, on the issue of homosexuality it does NOT contradict itself. It clearly condemns it. I (as a straight guy) have a problem with that. I have a problem with lots of things the Bible says, and I'm not so foolish to STILL call myself a Christian despite it. I reject Christianity.

          Even though God didn't write the Bible, he IS supposed to have inspired it. I think it's pretty odd he then did such a lousy job. I mean, how could God allow his all-important message to humanity be corrupted by all those contradictions and other B.S.?

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          • bananaface
            11 years ago

            Ehh, I don't believe in God, though. So I don't think he could change the Bible.:P But then again, I guess that doesn't change anything, because Christianity does exist.

            I do see where you're coming from. I suppose I've always just thought that the main point of being a Christian is that you follow the messages of Jesus or whatever. I really shouldn't be talking about religion, by the way, I don't know much about it. Perhaps you are right. I personally don't care, though. I guess the only thing that bothers me is what a person believes, rather than how they label those beliefs. Although, if the label is way off their beliefs, then I can see why that would be annoying. And I've never placed much importance on the Bible, even though that is probably fairly important to Christianity.:P Sorry, I'm a bit pants on this topic!

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            • BLAh81
              11 years ago

              I think there PROBABLY isn't a God out there, but I'm utterly convinced the God of the Bible does in any case NOT exist.

              I agree with you that what a person believes, is more important than how they label those beliefs, although it IS annoying if said label is way off. I think this is the case with tolerant "Christians".

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  • Goomats
    11 years ago

    As a Christian who does not judge gays, here is the deal:
    According to the Bible, God says not to do gay things. God says not to do a lot of things. God thinks no less of someone with gay urges than other urges outside marital sex. It's only human.
    As for judging, Jesus says not to judge other people. I for one, am extremely heterosexual but have a pretty all-encompassing, embarrassing fetish. Can I possibly judge what it would be like to feel gay? I know what it's like to have odd urges. I can't judge.
    I am friends with gay people but I am friends with a lot of people who do a lot of things the Bible condemns. Some of my friends do not believe in the teachings of Jesus, others do and sin anyway. I think that peace and friendship are the most important thing we can take away from Jesus and we should tend to out OWN sins/choices/urges.

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    • BLAh81
      11 years ago

      I commend you for being tolerant of gays and for putting yourself in their shoes, also because of your fetish (I'm extremely heterosexual too, and have SEVERAL fetishes BTW).

      However, your reply didn't really explain anything to me. I know the Bible condemns a LOT of things, but that doesn't mean it doesn't condemn homosexuality. I mean, it explicitly says to KILL gays. For me, that IN ITSELF would be MORE than enough to stop me from being a Christian (or just simply calling myself that).

      I also know Jesus says not to judge (which I think is funny since he called his enemies vipers and hypocrites, which sure sounds judgemental to me). Anyway, I never understood what's so great about Jesus and the Bible contradicts itself HUNDREDS of times. However, on the issue of homosexuality it does NOT contradict itself. It condemns it.

      If you believe the Bible is God's word - and that that God is PERFECT - you CANNOT throw out some of the rules (or try to bend them), simply because you don't like 'em. It makes you a hypocrite.

      Just out of curiosity, what is your fetish?

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  • suckonthis9
    11 years ago

    You have (seven times) used a word which denotes some people who believe in the teachings of Abraham and which divides them from other people who also believe in the teachings of Abraham, as well as dividing them from people who have other religious beliefs and dividing them from people who are not religious. This might be offensive to some people, whether they are religious or whether they are not religious.

    Why are you creating division in society?

    Also, who or what is this vile deity that you speak of?

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    • BLAh81
      11 years ago

      "You have (seven times) used a word which denotes some people who believe in the teachings of Abraham and which divides them from other people who also believe in the teachings of Abraham, as well as dividing them from people who have other religious beliefs and dividing them from people who are not religious."

      True.

      "This might be offensive to some people, whether they are religious or whether they are not religious."

      I really couldn't care less. I think it's pretty weird that I'm supposed to respect Christianity, when it teaches that people like me will be punished forever.

      "Why are you creating division in society?"

      It's not my fault when people are being hypocritical.

      "Also, who or what is this vile deity that you speak of?"

      Since this thread is about Christians, the Biblical God Yahweh OF COURSE. For instance, according to the Bible, he sometimes forces people to EAT their own children. Now, isn't such a deity vile?

      http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/says_about/cannibalism.html

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      • suckonthis9
        11 years ago

        It is clear that the creature [pseudonym: BLAh81] agrees and acknowledges the validity of the Enlightened creature's [myself] initial statement.
        It is clear that the creature, by their statement ["I really couldn't care less."], is complacent and is not conscientious. The creature is directed to use Ethical behaviour in accordance with an Enlightened society.
        The creature has used a term known to be divisive. A transgression has been recorded.
        It is clear that the creature is aware of [some of] the teachings of the divided people.
        It is clear that the creature seeks to be knowledgeable.
        It is clear that the creature seeks a path to Enlightenment.
        It is clear that the creature does not accept responsibility for the transgressions. [It's not my fault...]
        The creature has created a [second] transgression. A [second] transgression has been recorded.
        The creature is directed to use alternative terminology. [Please use the Latin derivative 'deity' rather than the Anglo-Germanic term].
        It is clear that the creature is aware of the proper name.[Yahweh].
        It is clear that the creature has conducted research. [They like that you have provided a reference as well]
        The creature is directed to ask further questions, if the creature requests further information.

        -A message from the VHATC-L2, except in square brackets.

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        • BLAh81
          11 years ago

          Are you always THIS weird? You also haven't changed my opinion in the LEAST BTW.

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          • suckonthis9
            11 years ago

            No, I was not always this way. Please do not incorrectly lead others into ill founded beliefs in me. Some of the definitions of 'strange' would be a more apt description.
            I had changed when I first realized a theory of the actual nature of the Universe and contacted by the VHATC-L2.
            I have now become more Enlightened.

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  • familyguy63
    10 years ago

    Bible was written by men,and long winded ones at that! Just a way to CONTROL the masses. Superior beings are watching us FUCKING UP ,but not answering prayers or doing miracles for our monkey asses! We all have an idea of what's good and what's bad. It's how we live our lives and treat each other that counts my friends! Mankind has been treating each other like shit since the dawn of time,...mainly over religious intolerance! So if it makes you feel better to quote the bible,good for you!

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    • familyguy63
      10 years ago

      Now,I'm going to go outside and probably get struck by lightning!! :-) peace

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  • little_freak
    11 years ago

    What you say is true, but you should take into account there are many other things the bible condemns even though it shouldn't (by modern moral standards). And this happens with all other religions as well. It's impossible to be a believer, a good person, and not a hypocrite, all at once. From your perspective, if you have to give one of the three up, you think belief is the one. But belief is much more than a tantrum for many many people. It's a necessity, and if someone can't give it up and has to choose between the other two, just give them a break, they are doing the best they can.

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    • BLAh81
      11 years ago

      I know the Bible does indeed also condemn many other things it shouldn't. (The fact it shouldn't do so by MODERN moral standards doesn't really count in my eyes, because I think certain moral standards ALWAYS apply. That's a whole other issue though). You are right that this happens with all other religions as well.

      "It's impossible to be a believer, a good person, and not a hypocrite, all at once."

      Well, I'd say that very much depends on the belief and the definition of "good" you have.

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  • [Old Memory]
    11 years ago

    who amongst us lives pure without a lie all their secrets on the table ? always? always have your back the kindly voice in your head, your lucky to have religion , so so angry right about NOW!! cool story

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    • BLAh81
      11 years ago

      Are you drunk or something?

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