Is it normal i think we should stop welfare?

Pulling welfare would only punish the children of people who actually did make the irresponsible decisions. No amount of "survival of the fittest" talk can justify leaving the young of our species to die due to unfit parents. Children can't be expected to survive on their own.

In addition to that, survival of the fittest doesn't really apply to our species anymore. Our species prospers so much more when we live in a cooperative community (even if the cooperation is forced, in the case of welfare). I can't begin to imagine the advances in technology, education and knowledge and general that would have never happened if everyone on Earth just said "fuck it, survival of the fittest, we all fend for ourselves".

The average family doesn't even use welfare for very long. They use it as a way to make ends meet until they either find a job (usually the situation is caused by sudden unemployment) or move or what the hell ever. A lot of hard working people end up getting fucked by life and having to seek out the extra support.

I'm not saying that it's cool for people to get what I have to work for - I work 2 jobs, 62 hours a week minimum, plus Army Reserve duty literally whenever the fuck those guys want me and I'm a student. Trust me, I'd love to be able to have my bills paid and only have to go to school... no nevermind, I'd get restless. I just don't believe in sinking the ship just to punish a few bad passengers.

There are 2 types of people on welfare.

The first type is who most people complain about. They are often on drugs and have too many kids. The DSHS is full of them and they generally have no ambitions other than to collect welfare and be lazy.

The other type is people who actually deserve it. This includes people with disabilities who cannot hold a job, war veterans, retired people, and other people who are on welfare due to unfortunate situations.

Those people are often hard working people who do what they can, but life has given them unfortunate situations.
You could say, Fuck them. Why should I have to spend my money on other peoples problems.
Well there are a few good reasons to help them.
Anyone could potentially become those people. If you were to ignore their health and put them on the streets it may seem it wont effect you, but it will effect society. That is because by helping them we give them a chance to get back on their feet and contribute to society again. Of course some will, and some wont, but for the ones who wont, it is a small price to pay.
Shouldn't the point of society be to work together and support those who need a lift. Maybe someday they will help you too.

Because of this system, obviously some people will choose to take advantage of it. That is inevitable, but is also a small price to pay.

People complain about their tax dollars going to welfare, but it is truly one of the smaller issues that money is spent on. There are billions of tax dollars spent on all kinds of corrupt shit.

I do think a good solution for society is mandatory sterilization of certain people who have lost the right to reproduce, but that is a whole other topic.

I think people should have to do volunteer work or vocational training to collect welfare. A hand up not a hand out. If someone is disabled that's a different story they should just get the help.

I agree very much with your post. Unfortunately the systems horribly abused even though there are decent people in it that do need a little bit of help to get by even though they are hard working people. The problem you mention is something I struggle to understand myself. And one that government struggles with as it relates to separating those that need the help from those that abuse.

The further and further we get from a natural balance or "survival of the fittest" as you described is only gonna end badly.

Just know that you have the right idea, no matter how much bullshit liberal guilt is thrown your way.

I was friends with someone who I've mentioned here a few times. She has been on welfare and all sorts of other shit for like 14 years. She does not deserve the help. She has gotten worse and worse over the years with heroin and just being a scumbag in general, not caring for her kids, getting pregnant more times than anyone can count, etc. Back when we were 26 she got an entire new set of teeth for her filthy whore mouth. No charge to her of course. Oh blah, Im done putting thought into this chick. I hope she dies.

After an injury that left me unable to work for 6 months (on dr's orders) I had to accept some government assistance. I found it astounding how many people drove to the social services offices in Mercedes and Lexus cars.
If I was running social services, one employee would be in the parking lot taking down plate numbers to have those people investigated. It seems to me if someone's down on their luck, they should trade the high end car out for a Toyota and use the cash from the trade to support their families.

People like you have no idea what you're talking about, people like you have never been in it, you don't know a damn thing about the places you talk down on because you're so afraid of what the news tells you. Living in places like that and growing up in one is a vicious self destructive cycle of which you have no understanding.

Yes as I had said there are people who have legitimate needs and benefit from assistance. Just because of that doesn't make welfare a "successful" program and "necessary". And spewing the liberal guilt trip of "just because you've had it easy, doesn't mean everyone has" is just more bullshit and more of the same coddling we continue to do for people who just refuse to be responsible.

I have no illusions of forcing people to live a life that "conservatism" dictates as being "correct". There are plenty of people who continuously take advantage of the system without any repercussions whatsoever and that will only end badly.

Life is harsh, life is cruel. Cry me a river already. Tell me exactly when those people became my responsibility and save your liberal guilt bullshit for a sucker.

Many of those who have lots of money don't actually deserve it. And many didn't earn it themselves.

The system is flawed, I can agree with that. However there will always be people who take advantage of any system. Many do actually use it for its intended purpose. I'd rather a few abuse it than for none to have it at all.

I hear ya, but wouldn't want the social programs eliminated. Some people have a need, but way too many people abuse the system. I can't believe the crap food these people can buy with food stamps/cards.