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Don't get me wrong, I don't have a problem with the concept of homosexuality or bisexuality, but the fact they need a freaking flag and a trashy, hypersexualized parade to showcase their sexualities is fucking pathetic. Seriously, the only thing those fucking parades does is making it harder to take the LGBTQ-community seriously.
I want society to take the LGBTQ-community seriously, but this shit is just counterproductive.
The tops of the organization are destroying the bottom (innuendo intended)
You need to accept you need the rational ones on your side. This is great for that cause. A broud and cohesive coalition would be beneficial. The lgbt+ groups are too broad and not cohesive. Divide and conquer but you need to provide a better alternative otherwise the lgbt+ would be only route to go.
This is why conservatives always lose on every issue. In 10 years half of all conservatives and libertarians will support children taking hormones if they move this slower. Remember Biden and Obama were against gay marriage less than 10 years ago.
Now look at the country. The only hope is they destroy themselves because conservatives have absolutely no balls.
Let them keep pissing everyone off until the country turns on them and starts banning them practicing in public. Send them back in the closet.
By rational I just mean gays and trans that do not want this shit to be for children. That's the group to accept. Rather that then them joining the radical side.
If you want to be secular fine. I'm just pointing out that you will lose that fight if you cant adapt at least the moderate position, shit changes, welcome to the new reality. Kinda like how the Catholics are bleeding members but the protestants are growing.
I'm not saying to not fight like hell about transgender kids. I'm just saying allow the transgender persons who say "fuck that" into our little confederation of rational people.
I'm the libertarian that the conservatives will lose their vote for if they dont. A, create a god damn law rather than just strike down liberal laws. Or B, create their own little echo chamber that we complain the liberals have.
This is IIN, you will find people who disagree, it just happens that you need to agree to disagree with some peoples positions in order to have a larger chunk of the population to agree with you.
Conservatives are not in the position to exclude perfectly fine members because you dont agree with their life choices.
The original purpose of the gay pride parade was a statement because in the past they were arresting, hanging, shooting, murdering and raiding gay bars. The original parade was just a bunch of people marching with a flag, protesting for a right to exist. Overtime it kind of evolved into the very R rated event it is today. Now while not everyone in the BDSM community is linked to pride, a good majority of the queer community is into BDSM, probably more so than much of the striaght community which is very vanilla. BDSM community for a long time was also stigmatized and honestly they should not be. However, I personally get that people want certain type of play to be kept in the bedroom. There's a reason bdsm communities and clubs are rated 18.
Idk if you're just young but in the 90s no one cared if you were gay. Gay people would just be gay and no one talked about it. Tiktok has got yall convinced we ran around chasing gays around in the 90s. Ppl had 9 to 5s and werent worried what gays were doing over at the gay club. Now yall run through the streets in parades with dildos and wonder why its getting banned and ppl are hating on your community. No one used to talk about it because gays were private about their sex lives.
He doesnt care. I'm advocating for him to tollerate those you dislike just for simple political survival.
If he wants to live in his own chamber let him. His policies will eventually never pass as the more popular moderate positions gain majority appeal.
Tf why is that a thing?. I'm just gonna say pride parades shouldn't be a thing
Hate crimes are terrible pieces of legislation. If someone slapped you or hit you then you were protected from that 100% if your reported it. Hate crimes just give certain group special power to get a larger sentance if someone does something to them.
Intent has to be recognized in order for it to be a hate crime. Punching a trans is battery. Punching a trans because they are trans is battery with a hate crime multiplayer. Same would be done for the elderly and children but that's more of an absolute rather than an intentional action. Elderly and children will always have the classification modifier. While hate crimes require specific criteria to activate. Assuming of course you got a good lawer to see the difference and cut down on the chaff of the prosecution.
My point is everyone was protected by the law from battery or whatever. If someone attacks someone because they enjoy beating people up, or because they're trans, it makes no differance. We shouldn't be giving certain groups extra power if you attack them unless as you mention it's something like children or the elderly because that's just a worse crime.
Does that mean you think it's worse to punch someone in a wheelchair than someone who isn't?
I understand the frustration but I'd also understand the modifiers. Like if someone dropped off a pig head at a guys door (kinda an intimidating thing) but if it was at a church or a building with a specific group at it. The intent of it being motivated beyond the "simple" idea of annoying/intimidating someone into being an active threat of fear against the group of specific individuals can be assumed by the action... unless you can prove to the court that you often drop pigs heads at anyone's doormat.
See what I mean though? It needs to be a shown action towards someone exclusively because of their characteristics, which given the melting pot ideal of society is a bad thing if you allow shit like that fly without additional repercussions. I dont see it as a cudgel just an optional modifier that can be used by the prosecution IF they can prove it. If you are ranting an social media about how much you hate Mexicans and then punch a Mexican it doesnt paint you in a good light, BUT you can argue it wasnt because the person who got punched was a Mexican thus you need elaborate on the cause. It's not an absolute until its its proven. Innocent till proven guilty but if you are a known piece of shit that's your own fuck up.
It is extremely "cringe", and totally unnecessary. As stated be 1weirdguy, there's no reason for such outward displays of deviant sexuality, because if "gay and trans people have ALWAYS existed!!1!1", then they'd be find keeping it to themselves, thereby keeping everybody happy. Nobody's hurting their precious little feelings by denying their pronouns, or whatever, and the normal people can go about their day without overly vibrant colors and sexual deviancy spewed into their faces.
We don't go flying around flags and screaming about how we love the opposite sex so much. Why? Because it's normal to be attracted to the opposite sex, and so we don't need an absurd amount of validation from practically every company and group of people out there.
We get it, you're gay. If you want to be treated as an equal to straight people, try acting like an equal.
Maybe so, but homosexuality is far less common then heterosexuality, so it can't really be considered normal.
So you're agreeing that gays need to be lynched? Just when I think IIN can't possibly stoop any lower. I don't appreciate it.
You probably want to genocide Asians.
This is such a big strawman, it belongs in the center of a field, to scare crows.
I never said a thing about gays being lynched, I simply stated that due to the very small amount of homosexuals, in comparison to straights, no amount of media coverage can make them "normal". Nothing about killing them, just that they can't be considered "Normal", in the same way that having 1 or no legs isn't "normal", but we don't lynch amputees.
Genocide Asians? No thank you.
First of all "strawman" is sexist. Second of all you're saying that gays aren't normal which means that you're homophobic and homophobic people advocate for the death of gay people. What do you have to say about that?
If you're a homophobe then you do want to genocide Asians because homophobic are also prejudiced against black people and Asians. You're just a homophobic racist xenophobic bigot that probably hates Jews.
Not going to vote since I've never been to a gay pride parade, but from what I've heard about them, they do sound pretty cringe.
it is cringe and attention seeking. I absolutely do not care if a person gay or whatever, you do you man idgaf. Just DON'T shove your sexuality down my effin throat.
I grew up next to Polaski Tennessee the most right wing, religious area in the country, the founding town of the KKK and I can tell you we had gay people in our school that no one picked on. In the "real world" (meaning not on reddit and twitter) people have 9 to 5 jobs and have a life. No one had time to care about whats going on over at the gay bar. There was no social media and internet just came out. It wasnt until gays came after kids and started dancing through the streets with dildos that ppl start caring again. The 90s WERENT like the 60s. There was no culture war at that time.
What you young ppl dont realize is most of this stuff died out in the 60s. You think in the 90s ppl cared about all this stuff but the country was less bigoted than it was today by a country mile. There was no internet you didnt see what other people were doing in other cities unless it was on TV. Then 911 happened and the war started and we went to the middle east and gays werent even on the radar at all.
If you didnt grow up in the 90s and think youre gonna tell me how it was because you read it in a history book I cant take what you say serious. There was no need for legislation just like theres no need to legislate farting rights or rights for blowing your nose. Just because theres no legislation for ppl farting or blowing their nose doesnt mean theyre being oppressed.
I guess that's why gay people were being disowned by family members, doing conversion therapy or people calling their preference 'degeneracy'. Because no one had a problem with it. That makes sense. And things were worse for gay people back then. It's only improved over time.
It was originally meant as a protest but many places it's held now gays are no longer being activily hung, murdered and arrested for existing. It's much more accepted now and that was the original purpose of the parade.