Is it normal to be disgusted by people who remove rats with poison?

I've never subscribed to the philosophy of "well other people are doing it so it must be ok". If you were to visit China and witness the mass slaying of dogs, would you not feel disgusted? There's a very thin line between what's "commonly accepted" and what's not. There’s no golden rule that states that 1 lifeform is worthy of respect while another is not, only arbitrary societal standards.

Usually in the section of the store with the rat poison, next to that there will be other non-lethal solutions that in my experience are just as effective as the lethal solutions.

I don't care if it's socially normal to not respect lower lifeforms, herd mentality is never a good excuse. This goes for all animals, not just rats.

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  • Birdprince

    i love rats, i used to have one as a pet (would love to get another one to) but domesticated and feral rats are completely different, i do have sympathy for the lil dudes and if possible i would prefer to live catch a feral rat instead of poisoning/trapping, but it takes time, effort, and fuel depending on how far you want to drop them off where they wouldn't be able to disturb another house.

    some of them also carry diseases and can chew through wires and such, which can be dangerous for both the rat and the household. if there was a rat in my house i would spend a week trying to live catch it, but unfortunately when that doesn't work i will start laying out traps that would humanely kill the rat in the most quick and painless way.

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  • Rusty-Rider

    Just post your address and everyone will live-trap all their rats and send them to you.

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    • VirgilManly

      I was just thinking the same thing but you beat me to it!
      Also include stamps or Fed-Ex shipping label.

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  • Drakonski

    Rats are very intelligent, no matter if they make our hair stand on end or not, so it is a shame to poison them. I knew a guy who didn't like rats, but he was determined to trap one that he had in his house live. He just didn't want to kill anything. You cannot compare rats or mice with bugs, they're MAMMALS, for God's sake. And even insects and spiders I will save if possible, I will try to anyway. Life is life, we're too quick to kill as humans and it's really disturbing.

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  • AB1234

    I believe you are absolutely correct. Speciesism is one of the gravest indictments against humanity. But we humans aren't "moral animals." We're reasoning animals who happen to build moral codes, and unfortunately, at the root of our moral codes tends to be a rabid prejudice in favor of our own group. This allows otherwise "good" people to condone hellish acts--even participate in them. Factor in human beings' native selfishness and you get morality very, very often being an enabling mechanism of what feels good for the individual or the group, even when there are far less destructive alternatives available.

    I admire your reasoning. Human beings like you, unfortunately, are in every generation in the minority.

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  • VirgilManly

    So you're more concerned about rats than the babies they bite to death? I find that disgusting.

    http://cdn.deccanchronicle.com/sites/default/files/dead-baby-guntur-hospital_0_0_0_0_0.jpg

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    • charli.m

      Well, I wish I hasn't clicked that :/

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      • VirgilManly

        Sorry.
        : (

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        • charli.m

          Not your fault hyperlinks cut off.

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    • I addressed this farther up in the thread. Poisoning rats instead of releasing them out into the wild away from civilization CONTRIBUTES to the spread of disease.

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      • VirgilManly

        Rat infestations also contribute to the spread of disease. So for many people killing them is the easier option than relocating them.
        You know, kind of like you being a vegitarian because it's easier than being a vegan.

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        • LittleGirlRapedAndSodomised#R8

          DON'T TALK SHIT ABOUT TOTAL!

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          • VirgilManly

            What shit? He said it himself.

            "Was vegan for a couple of years. Switched to vegetarianism because ... veganism is too difficult a lifestyle in my area."
            -killlllmeeeeee

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            • LittleGirlRapedAndSodomised#R8

              You've got the wrong person but nice try.

              That guys (although she claims to be a chick) I call "busted toe".

              Stop trying, seriously. We've got an insain amount of accounts, learn our diction or STFU.

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  • wigz

    Poison is usually a last resort. For one, people know it causes suffering. Then it dies in your walls somewhere. And it could poison other animals. People aren't all that stupid. Other methods of removal are more popular.

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  • mikhaildb

    The thing is, rats are unfortunately disease carriers and are responsible for a decent amount of health issues and property damages. What you're basically doing, by trapping and releasing rats in a nonlethal way, is saying, "These rats were my problem, but instead of taking care of the problem, I'm just going to transfer the problem to someone else."

    Just a few released rats can quickly turn into hundreds.

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    • www bendsource com/bend/packing-off-pack-rats-dont-kill-the-rats-move-em/Content?oid=2131698

      "Pack rats, along with most of our local ground squirrels, are known carriers of the flea that carries the Bubonic plague. Way back - when the Sun was a little old tiny thing, there weren't no Moon, and the Big Dipper was a little tin drinkn' cup - I worked with epidemiologists in our lava caves searching for plague fleas and found them on ground squirrels and in pack rat middens.

      If you poison a rodent that is carrying fleas the animal will die, cool off and the fleas will go looking for a new host. If you happen to come along about the time the fleas are searching for new blood they will detect your infrared heat signal and zingo, you're it. So, think twice before you kill rodents. It does take man-hours to live trap rodents and carry them off to a wilder place to live, but it's safer for you and me. Just don't release it in your neighbor's backyard or downtown. "

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      • mikhaildb

        Shit, well allow me to change my answer.

        Live trap the rats, put them in a cage, sink the cage so they drown and the fleas drown.

        Sorry, I hate rats, and I hate dealing with the damage they cause to wires and structures even more.

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  • charli.m

    And how do you deal with bugs?

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    • Within reason. If exterminating the rats was the ONLY possible method of removing them, I would consider it an unpleasant necessity, but that's not the case, as there's also a wide variety of humane options. Likewise, if the ONLY reasonable way to deal with a bug infestation was to exterminate them, I would have no problem with someone choosing to do so.

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      • charli.m

        Are you vegan?

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        • Was vegan for a couple of years. Switched to vegetarianism because it's the lesser of 2 evils, and veganism is too difficult a lifestyle in my area.

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          • charli.m

            Deleted last comment cos I misread.

            Vegetarian...do you drink milk?

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            • I don't drink milk directly. Usually only when it's an ingredient in something else. Even though I agree with the philosophy of vegans, I couldn't live as a vegan because even living as a vegetarian is somewhat difficult when 90% of the dishes at every restaurant contain meat, and the remainder that are vegetarian dishes usually contain a dairy product.

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  • Ellenna

    What are these non lethal methods of getting rid of rats? If you mean trap and release, that's just moving the problem somewhere else.

    I very reluctantly use poison when rats are in my roof because I don't want them to chew through electrical wiring and burn the house down. I don't like doing it, but it's them or me.

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    • LittleGirlRapedAndSodomised#R7

      I furthermore promise and declare that I will, when opportunity present, make and wage relentless war, secretly or openly, against all heretics, Protestants and Liberals, as I am directed to do, to extirpate and exterminate them from the face of the whole earth; and that I will spare neither age, sex or condition; and that I will hang, waste, boil, flay, strangle and bury alive these infamous heretics, rip up the stomachs and wombs of their women and crush their infants' heads against the walls, in order to annihilate forever their execrable race. That when the same cannot be done openly, I will secretly use the poisoned cup, the strangulating cord, the steel of the poniard or the leaden bullet, regardless of the honor, rank, dignity, or authority of the person or persons, whatever may be their condition in life, either public or private, as I at any time may be directed so to do by any agent of the Pope or Superior of the Brotherhood of the Holy Faith, of the Society of Jesus.

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      • dynamohumm

        God you really are a waste of space or another term is a bag of pus with bones in it.

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        • LittleGirlRapedAndSodomised#S2

          How does it make you feel?

          No seriously, how does it make you feel?

          How does it make you feel there isn't a god damn thing you or your dead mother can do about it?

          How old is your dead mother? What I'm asking is did you burn the BITCH cremation style and if not, whats the age of the dirt she became?

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  • Tempest-au

    Personally, I don't use poison because the little buggers go hide and die, and the rancid odour of decaying rodent is offensive to me. So I use traps - just as lethal, probably more humane (they die faster), and I can dispose of the body in the garbage.

    Oh, and as for the dog eating thing, why not - it's protein. I mean I wouldn't go kill my neighbour's mutt because I wanted a dog-burger, but if I was in China and it was served to me, I'd eat it. I think I may have eaten dog in Malaysia once, wasn't too bad - although a little stronger tasting than I expected.

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