Is it normal to hate god and consider him nothing but a patriarchal dictator?

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I left religion ten years ago when I was 15 years old, because It went (and still goes) against my sinful life style, nearly everything I adopted was sinful. Then my life went well relative to nowadays by persuading myself that I wouldn't go to hell for my individualistic sinful life style acknowledging that I was lying to myself, until 3 years ago, when I was surfing something related to religion and how the world is in crisis because of secularization of morality and public life arguing that how objective morality and meaningless life are impossible without a transcendental being ... etc. Shortly, I felt depressed, angst and afraid continuously for days and weeks. I felt I had to completely change and adapt a new life style that had to be morally consistent to my belief system. However, this initiative was a failure, it required leaving everything I love as well as hurting my pride. I thought I had a spiritual crisis but I later found that I was just afraid of being damned for afterlife. From this point I implicitly considered God was nothing but a fearful villain and life is much better without him for me. My second moving was to adopt escapism but in vain, I couldn't control my mind and fade all of these away.
Once, I was chatting to a religious guy whom I asked for helping me for this matter. But discussion between us was heated and shortly I fed up when he was frequently mention my destiny in afterlife as a reward for my struggle against my liberal lifestyle ending discussion by saying explicitly the following:"Do you know what? Yes I hate God. I hate religion and religious men like you who proselytize others and everything associated with it. To be sincere, I want to live a life free from any higher power and authority doing what I want without fear of consequences from them. Otherwise it's unbearable."

After that, I resorted to psychiatrists three times at different periods of time do deal with my issue. But because of my unstable income, I cannot afford seeing them and keep following their advice ending up halting my habit of taking their pills.

I know all I have written above is loosely related to the question I ask, but It was an opportunity to share this to others I don't know.

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  • Boojum
    4 years ago

    What is the "issue" you believe you need counselling to help you overcome?

    Have you hated Santa Claus ever since you found out he doesn't exist?

    I could understand how learning that your parents and other adults had conspired to lie to you about the existence of a fictional being might make you doubt everything they said to you after you learned Santa was make-believe. You might dislike your parents for that or even be angry with them, but hating Santa makes no sense at all.

    Do you also hate the Roman god Saturn, the Hindu deity Rama, and the Aztec god Huitzilopochtli? None of them exist any more than JHVH, Yahwhe, Jehova or whatever else you want to call the Judeo-Christian deity.

    Since you refer to your actions as being "sinful", it seems that you haven't really grasped the nettle and truly accepted that the big, ancient hairy guy up in the clouds who looks down on you and makes notes in his book about whether you're being naughty or nice doesn't actually exist. Until you do, you're going to feel conflicted because the rational part of your brain is arguing with the deeply embedded indoctrination you received as a child.

    You say you've been troubled by the thought that morality and a feeling that life is meaningful isn't possible without belief in a transcendental being and an afterlife. That's total bullshit peddled by people who are True Believers in one of the many brands of religious crap. Sometimes they push this line for the same reason that owners of a particular brand of car suggest you buy the same: if you do too, that validates their decision. Often, they try to sell you this because they have a financial interest in making you accept their beliefs as The One and Only Truth.

    It is true that following the rules in a book handed down from a bunch of Iron Age people who were doing their best to make sense of a confusing world makes life much easier. Figuring out what you believe is moral can be difficult, and living by those rules can be even harder, since the only true judge is the one inside your own head. But if you live your life always trying to do what Daddy says you should, then you're still a child.

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    • Anonymous Post Author
      4 years ago

      Actually, I truly believe in the Abrahamic God's existence and I never said otherwise. So I don't hate someone doesn't exist.

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      • Boojum
        4 years ago

        The Old Testament makes it perfectly clear that JHVH is a vindictive, narcissistic dickhead who was quite happy to torture and slaughter anyone who didn't sing his praises. Some people claim he underwent a major personality change a couple thousand years ago (which would be odd for a being that's supposedly perfect, eternal and changeless), but if you insist on believing in that particular version of the Great Sky Fairy, then you're just going to have to own your discomfort at trying to keep him happy.

        Enjoy.

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        • leggs91200
          4 years ago

          I guess this personality change was the new testament?

          And "which would be odd for a being that's supposedly perfect, eternal and changeless" is kind of what I thought too. Just not in those exact words.

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  • BlackCandle
    4 years ago

    It's normal but you should find comfort in that he doesn't exist.

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    • LloydAsher
      4 years ago

      Exsistance and non exsistance is the same for a non observable entity. Schrödinger's cat for instance. We do not know for certain if the cat is alive or not from just observing the box. As without perceiving God we do not know if it exists or not.

      Now one might ask how does one prove God is inexsistant if you can not perceive God? Perhaps God is not a physical entity rather than a set of rules of exsistance or consciousness that reacts to stimuli. To that end who's to say the laws of nature isnt God in the vaguest terms?

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      • palehorse
        4 years ago

        Agnostic thinking right there.

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        • LloydAsher
          4 years ago

          I am agnostic, thank you. I find happiness in my judgement. Wether or not I go to heaven, hell or the void is entirely dependent on a God's logic of my thinking. Crossing fingers it's the Christian one since its knows what's it's like being human.

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          • palehorse
            4 years ago

            I'm an agnostic too.

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  • LloydAsher
    4 years ago

    I dont perceive God as having a gender as all things in the begining were genderless (evolution) I believe God is a form of consciousness without physical form.

    For why most religions set God as a Male is the simple fact that god is often seen as an enforcer rather than a subservant. Fathers main task is to enforce rules and regulations to thier children while mothers guide and grow thier children.

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  • Ellenna
    4 years ago

    I suggest you get yourself onto youtube and watch Christopher Hitchens clips back to back until you're totally convinced there is no god for you to hate.

    Psychiatrists are for mental illness, not for valid doubts about the existence of a deity, so I'm glad you're now free of them and their psych drugs.

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    • LloydAsher
      4 years ago

      Already watched his stuff. Used to be Lutheran. Had a streak of being an angry athiest mellowed and cooled to an agnostic.

      Being a athiest in my opinion is also a form of belief into having faith that God dosent exist. Which puts you at the same level of faith that there is a God. While not on a name basis you do have faith in the fact that there is no God. Faith because you can not prove he doesnt exists yet you believe.

      That's why agnostic is the best most logical choice of belief. The true third choice in life.

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      • Ellenna
        4 years ago

        Oh please turn your brain on and/or take a course in plain everyday language comprehension: how can a lack of belief in any gods (or goddesses either for that matter) be a matter of faith?

        My lack of religious belief has been arrived at over a period of years following a fundamentalist xian upbringing, by using my reason: faith by definition has nothing to do with reason and is all to do with accepting something without evidence.

        Your last sentence has a ring of authoritarianism: you have no more evidence regarding the "truth" of agnosticism than do those who believe in deities of any description.

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    • palehorse
      4 years ago

      Mr Atheist and Telltale are also pretty good.

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  • leggs91200
    4 years ago

    It is like this -
    First, that was a little difficult to read.

    Second - everything is a sin anyways. I mean yeah there are the sins people think of as "sins" like drinking, smoking, drugs, fighting, gambling, cussing, extramarital sex, and wanting to smell Kim Kardashian where she poops.

    But then there are the ones that are weird like laziness, over-eating, working on Sunday, whacking off, dressing as the opposite sex, listening to any music that doesn't say, "I love Jesus and Jesus loves me", whatever.

    I think it is also a sin to even think there is an innuendo in this album cover. BTW, You KNOW, KNOW they were not having sex. I mean CEEERAP are they just, probably named Gertrude, Esher, and Margaret

    https://sadanduseless.b-cdn.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/awkward-album1.jpg

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    • Boojum
      4 years ago

      This reminded me of a passage from Mark Twain's 'Letters from the Earth":

      "In man's heaven everybody sings! The man who did not sing on earth sings there; the man who could not sing on earth is able to do it there. The universal singing is not casual, not occasional, not relieved by intervals of quiet; it goes on, all day long, and every day, during a stretch of twelve hours. And everybody stays; whereas in the earth the place would be empty in two hours. The singing is of hymns alone. Nay, it is of one hymn alone. The words are always the same, in number they are only about a dozen, there is no rhyme, there is no poetry: 'Hosannah, hosannah, hosannah, Lord God of Sabaoth, 'rah! 'rah! 'rah! siss! -- boom! ... a-a-ah!'

      "Meantime, every person is playing on a harp -- those millions and millions! -- whereas not more than twenty in the thousand of them could play an instrument in the earth, or ever wanted to.

      "Consider the deafening hurricane of sound -- millions and millions of voices screaming at once and millions and millions of harps gritting their teeth at the same time! I ask you: is it hideous, is it odious, is it horrible?

      "Consider further: it is a praise service; a service of compliment, of flattery, of adulation! Do you ask who it is that is willing to endure this strange compliment, this insane compliment; and who not only endures it, but likes it, enjoys it, requires if, commands it? Hold your breath!

      "It is God!"

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  • [Old Memory]
    4 years ago

    yep

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    • leggs91200
      4 years ago

      To the OP -
      This is actually a longer and deeper response than a lot of Stain's other posts.

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      • [Old Memory]
        4 years ago

        Yes I am a long winded trendsetter

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  • CreativeThinker
    4 years ago

    I hate GOD ..... the creator of heaven and earth ....... Period

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  • MAGATrump2020
    4 years ago

    Why would you hate me? Little Adam Schitt, is that you?

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  • DeadRatKing
    4 years ago

    You hate the popular image of God, but in my opinion the true image of God is something entirely different. And not the "angry man in the clouds" but something truly omnipresent, benevolent, incomprehensible, and ineffable.

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    • Anonymous Post Author
      4 years ago

      Sorry for being too late to respond, but unfortunately the popular image of god is strongly supported by scripts if they are taken a bit literally. Any alternative image is not more blasphemous than denying him.

      Another note which is related to The attributes of God, I don't think God is ineffable. Thinking that God has attributed you mentioned like omnipresence and omni-benevolence are sufficient counterexamples that make him otherwise.

      In theistic traditions, the Aristotle model of god (as a prime mover) is not qualified to be a god who is irrefutable proven. The prime mover cannot be omni-benevolent, or even morally perfect as religious people pretend. So yes, the sky daddy who are watching me masturbating does exist.

      However, the social influence of religion is bit annoying for me. As I said, religions have so excessive authoritarian moral codes whom I am extremely hostile against. Unless religions were being excluded from the political atmosphere or legalization, I would be hanged for at least being apostate.

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    • LloydAsher
      4 years ago

      As such a being of emeasurable power it is unreasonable to assume a physical form. That is why in the vaguest of terms I deem the laws of nature to be God. Even the vast expanse of the universe is constrained by rules, what set those rules into motion is unknown therefore it's best presumed God exists, because infinity and a its just like that because it has always existed isnt a valid argument for exsistance.

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  • dimwitted
    4 years ago

    There is a balance. Find it.

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    • Anonymous Post Author
      4 years ago

      For me, balance is impossible. Choosing one excludes the another one. You cannot even come up with a third choice that balance the both by dialectical ways.

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      • LloydAsher
        4 years ago

        Why do you think there not a third choice? There is always a third choice. Balance is possible but it is not always palatable.

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        • Anonymous Post Author
          4 years ago

          Actually, it is like to choose either eating banana or not, and hence a third choice is impossible. Simply it's Law of non-contraction.

          Applying to this issue, religion (like Islam which was my former one as well as Christianity) must be fully embraced or left. partial embracing cannot be tolerated. For example, I cannot be for individual rights for LGBT and at the same time sincerely embracing Christianity that consider it an extreme sin or Islam that calls for murdering them.

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          • LloydAsher
            4 years ago

            As for the banana problem there is a third choice, eating half and tossing the rest. You didnt eat the entire thing nor did you waste the entire banana, feeding it to someone else is also valid.

            As such it is also a good comparison for religon as you can also enjoy half of said banana without eating the entire fruit. I enjoy the best parts of christianity without embracing it in its entirety.

            Perhaps your problem is that Islam was the religion you fell out from. Islam is if the entity of Christian religon was the old testament and there wasn't an addendum of the new testament. You were made to fear God as the harbinger of both the begining and the end. Chistians were afraid of God but in the new testament god reincarnated himself as jesus to learn what it was like to actually be human. Through this experience he learned that it sucked being mortal. Jesus wasn't a warlord just a person who healed. You can be LGBT and Christian you can be whatever you want in God's eyes, and the person who judges you on earth might be a person but the person does not reflect the views on God.

            For full disclosure I'm agnostic but I realise there is a heavy need for Christian and protestant views for shaping the morality of people.

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  • SmokeEverything
    4 years ago

    You need to eat mushrooms and LSD and find your own ideas about god.

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