Is god not all-knowing?

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You'll have to click this one for my explaination ;)

Basically, this is what i think;
If God has given us the freedom of choice, he is not all-knowing.
If he was all-knowing, he couldn't given us the freedom of choice because he has made us, he has made us to make certain choices, because when he gave us that twisted toe, he knew allready that later in our life, we wouldn't wanna go to the beach one day and we wouldn't meet our future companion and that companion wouldn't cause our death because of a family trip to the mountains and the list goes on. The smallest thing as our toe can influence our lives greatly.
God made every single atom we are made of, so he knew what our choices were going to be, he couldn't have given us the freedom of choice, unless he doesn't know what we are going to choose!

Summary: God couldn't have given us the freedom of choice, unless he doesn't know what we are going to choose, and that would make him not all-knowing.

PS: i am religious and this is not meant to be offensive in any way, i'm just looking for an answer or feedback.
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  • Darkoil
    11 years ago | pl

    Oiy! Don't question what is written in the bible, just accept it without any proof like all the other sheep.

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  • zchristian
    11 years ago

    I honestly dont really care it doesnt change a thing...

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    • Fammer3
      11 years ago

      I know that is doesn't change anything, but i am just wondering.
      I am a free-thinking christian. Meaning the existance of a divine entity could be there, but in other forms then the bible presents it.

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  • anti-hero
    11 years ago

    Following that logic I could explain it like this...

    He already knows what you are going to choose but you still have the free will to choose, he just knows what you are going to choose.

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  • Dad
    11 years ago

    What a lovely example you gave on how a twisted toe saved your life.
    Here's some more examples to ponder on about God knowing all, and just allowing it.

    Children dying of starvation in the millions. Note starving to death is immense pain and a slow death.
    Women (and again children) being raped/tortured cruelly then murdered (its in the news a lot ;)
    Cancer and terminal illness including suicide, all basically shortening our life considerably generally whilst in depression!
    quadriplegics and mentally handicapped individuals, including those born without sight or any other sense, quite obviously gods intention is unknown here.

    Yes he moves in mysterious ways, and we may never know why he takes some so young and good.
    Or he's a sadistic asshole and enjoys seeing millions and millions live in pain!

    OR (I think this may be the one :) ) There is no god, as what all knowing all powerful god would do this to his own children? I'm a father too, I'd rather die in place of my child than see my child go through a living hell. Quite obviously the 'bible' proves to us that god is not as admirable as that. ie Slowly dieing on planks of timber with large nails hammered into you, no probs son, its all going to be worth it, when wars start over religion alone and millions more die!!

    The whole god myth is ridiculously pathetic.
    Although I'm happy for your reasons why you feel god may exist in all his love? Possibly your pinky finger is not feeling well today?

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    • RapidlyRotatingPanda
      11 years ago

      Obviously correct but, a touch harsh maybe.

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      • Dad
        11 years ago

        Yes it was a push to get a response ;)
        I can actually write more compassionately towards others feelings, but I find the 'harsh' way gets more of an impact.

        Anyway, that's all until the next topic Lol

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        • Fammer3
          11 years ago

          Personally, i don't know if God exists, but if he was not all-knowing, (and all-powerfull then, too), that could serve as an explaination. There are some things that just seem impossible without a God, but then again, what you said is very right. What father makes his children purposely suffer

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          • Dad
            11 years ago

            Thanks :)

            By the way, there is nothing known that requires a 'god' figure to explain it.
            Of the unknowns we are still working on those and are very optimistic.
            The choice of 'God did it'! Is NEVER on the list of alternatives.

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            • Fammer3
              11 years ago

              When i wrote that, i was thinking about the obvious line between mankind and other creatures. Even though i consider myself christian i do support the revolution theory, in my own kind of way. The very existance of life is imo 'proof' of God. Atoms can't spontaneously become a cell that 'lives'. And those cells can't evolve into something as intelligent and self-concious as human kind as far as i'm concerned. I believe there is a reason for the fact that humans haven't yet been able to create life. And as we know, mass can't be created or destroyed, so what fueled the 'big bang', etc...
              Btw, i'm not trying to force my opinion or anything like that, i'm just wrighting down what i think and it's not meant to be offensive in any way.

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    • frankiestrange
      11 years ago

      I wish you were my dad! Haha, but really. I agree with everything you just said. :)

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  • tehfoxyfire
    11 years ago

    We can all yell scream kill each other over "God" all the while there is nothing there

    Just our human minds and consciousness

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  • Andrew256
    11 years ago

    There is no god.

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  • theaverageatheist
    11 years ago

    furtunatley there's no one there

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  • [Old Memory]
    11 years ago

    Cool. So tell me again how this knowledge is useful?

    There's no end to questions like this. You can spend your whole life pursuing wrong ideas and false precepts and yet for all your knowledge you still won't have the greater part of wisdom.

    That's not to say God is irrelevant (not in the least) but in general I find questions like "What is free will?" "Do we exist?" and "Can rocks feel?" totally absurd and a waste of time.

    Even if you knew the answer, what good is it? What fruit is there in the knowing of it?

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    • KeddersPrincess
      11 years ago

      I don't think that the fascination is in knowing it, but I think that it is in wondering.

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  • BohemianBridgette
    11 years ago

    Ummm he's all knowing, but he is also nonexistent. So...Houston, we have a problem..

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  • rhythmness93
    11 years ago

    it's 99.999% possible that god DOES NOT EXIST. oh god...here comes the bible thumping defenders.

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    • Fammer3
      11 years ago

      Where?

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      • rhythmness93
        11 years ago

        lol

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  • robbieforgotpw
    11 years ago

    @ Fammer3:

    Humor me and look up Hebrews 11:6. Go ahead and read the whole chapter. Its about faith, tell me what you think.

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    • Fammer3
      11 years ago

      I think its a good excuse, a good way to keep religious people hooked, to make them feel guilty if they aren't.

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      • robbieforgotpw
        11 years ago

        Its all about faith in God. You either believe or you don't. Who else could create everything? We play by His rules but He loves all of us. It takes more faith to believe we evolved from single celled organisms wouldn't you agree?

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  • namredips
    11 years ago

    Having a tough time figuring out how God, The Creator Of Everything, thinks? This should not be surprising. He made us. He is lots, lots, smarter than us. Do you pray about it? Ask Him. Maybe He'll help. Maybe not. We don't need to know everything.
    God's grace to you.

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    • Fammer3
      11 years ago

      Sure we don't need to, but wondering 'why' from time to time in stead of taking everything as it is, like simple sheep isn't going to hurt anybody.

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  • robbieforgotpw
    11 years ago

    @Fammer 3:
    He wouldn't be that big of a God if you could understand everything about him. For instance I don't totally grasp the "trinity" but since He made us in his image, we are triune beings too. We have a soul, spirit, and WHAT'S THE THIRD THING THAT MAKES US A TRIUNE BEING? Body or mind is the third.

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    • toolateforthis
      11 years ago

      He wouldn't be that big of a God if you understand everything about him???? What a huge load of sh*t.

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  • robbieforgotpw
    11 years ago

    @Fammer3:
    He is all powerful. We have free will which means He allows things to happen even though it may cause pain and hardship. The biggest reason people say there's no God is: How can a loving God allow so much pain and suffering? Well the truth is after Adam and Eve sinned, death and sin entered the world. So we are sinful by nature(passed down to all mankind) which means we need a Savior.

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    • Fammer3
      11 years ago

      He made Adam and Eve knowing that they would sin. Why would he 'test' them, if he already knows the outcome.
      We are sinful by nature, why? Because God made us like that. Why would he do that?
      Can you follow my logic? Why would you create something imperfect and then punish it for being imperfect?

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  • 800imawesome
    11 years ago

    Another is, if God is omnipotent, then he can see the future. If he's omnipotent, then he can change that future. But if he does change the future, he's not omnipotent, and same goes for him not being able too. Oh, and don't forget Epicurus's quote.

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  • o_0
    11 years ago

    i need to alter it a bit ..( though i know al the comments above are against it) ... god knows all what lies in the future but he has sent us to this earth to be examined for our virtuous.... he knows all because he has that future knowing power its not that he is doing it... its we and as i stated before we are on an examination here here so he is just waiting and giving us time to get improved...!! its like teacher knows what we are writing in the exam and certainly if its all wrong no matter how much she longs to tell she wouldnt because she has given me an exam...and in the end the most deserving i rewarded!! :) :)(as per being MUSLIM)

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    • Fammer3
      11 years ago

      Why would he give us time to get better if he could have just made us perfect? I already know the classic answer "God works in mysterious ways", but that's just an excuse. We all know it. You used the example of a teacher knowing our answers already, but still letting us do the exams, but in our case, the teacher could just give us an USB stick with all that we would need.
      There are some things that can't be explained by modern science, that's where God comes in. How did the universe come to life? How did life itself exist? And the list goes on. I do believe that there must be a divine entity, but the way religion presents it is faultive in my opinion.

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      • o_0
        11 years ago

        for the USB thing there are many many things you know... books of guidance (Quran ,Bible THOUGH I DONT BELIEVE IN BIBLE AS IT IS DISTORTED AS PER MY BELIEF) the prophets sent in olden times... and the most wonderful something -within us - the power to fight and avoid wrong and get attracted towards the good !
        the teacher explains to us every thing the whole year but not at the moment when it is the time for him/her to check what s/he has been able to teach...AND UNDOUBTEDLY GOD IS MUCH MORE THAN A TEACHER!! :)

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        • Fammer3
          11 years ago

          Well that is true, but the whole point is that God could have just made us perfect. If you were a technician, and you were working on robots, why would you make them bad on purpose, and then 'test' them for being bad if you allready know you didn't make them perfect? And besides that, so many wonders and prophets are listed in the bible, quran, etc.. But the thing is, there seemed to have been so many wonders! And now, in recent times, nothing - really nothing - happens. No prophets, no miracles of God, not a single sign. I'm sure that you could list some events that could apply to this, but not like in the holy books and not on the same degree. By the way i am not trying to start an arguement here, although it might seem so since i keep commenting, i'm just looking for answers.

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          • o_0
            11 years ago

            we are here to discuss off our thoughts so don't hesitate...
            well.. just one question..
            cant you be good all your life if you want whole heartedly... ??
            why are we just blaming God for all we are doing .. we can do every thing in a much much better way than we are doing..(as per my belief) god has sent a perfect code of life and guidance ... their will be no further guidance.. and as said by my prophet (P.B.U.H)the people who have not seen him(the prophet) and have not been with him are luckier than those who have ,cause they believe on him because they saw him like that but we didnt and we still dont...
            GENERALLY we should first see where we are standing..!! :) :)

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            • Fammer3
              11 years ago

              We're blaming God, yes. Who else. After all he made us to do what we do, unless he is not all-knowing and then we are back off to the point of this topic. ^^

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  • thalaric
    11 years ago

    I think you're imagining "God" in a too anthropomorphic way.

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  • chole
    11 years ago

    As Parrish said, God is cunningly manipulative. Keeps the drama down.
    He gives you the illusion you do have freedom of choice. In the end, no matter what you choose, he already knew you were going to choose that.
    There is even scientific evidence questioning "freedom." This is due to a study showing the brain reacts before our "spontaneous" decision was made.
    And because I fancy sharing a song:
    <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlJGrIyt-X8" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlJGrIyt-X8</a>

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  • robbieforgotpw
    11 years ago

    Then Who created everything? Just some explosion?
    Did humans evolve from single celled organisms?
    It takes more faith to believe that than an all powerful Creator?

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    • Fammer3
      11 years ago

      Thats my point. It is more logical to assume that God created everything, but even though i believe there is a divine entity, i do not think that It is as any religion presents it. IF there is a divine entity, It couldn't be all-powerful because of -the reason of this topic- and there are alot of things about God that aren't and can't be explained by religion. The classical answer is 'God works in mysterious ways' but thats just an excuse, no need to lie about that.

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  • autumniccole
    11 years ago

    God knows all things but not all things are God's will...

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