Is it normal for a brother to masturbate spying on his little sister?

Perfect,timing for him I can't imagine jerking off alone and end up blowing my load on a 12 year old ass after doing her

Youre fucking sick in the head.

thats just...sick...and you wernt even drunk!

Youre a pedophile. you deserve to rott in prison.

Your a fucking sick pedo. why was porn not enough you peice of shit?

I am her aunt, and yes, our family is rather close. I'm her confidant, and much stuff that she feels unsure about(school problems, crushes, wishes...) she rather talks to me about, rather than her parents(as i'm more of a older friend to her rather than a authority figure in the classic sense)

I don't really intend to encourage them on this, simply because i don't know how far that would go. With 11 or 12 just looking and touching was rather exciting enough, when i was that age...with 16, i suppose he's ultimately looking for more. And i would not want him to talk her into incest, simply because she'd be available and he wants to experience his first time.

I already considered asking one of my friends to "take care" of my nephew, initiate him, so to say, in hope of him losing interest in his sister. But that would feel like rewarding him, which would make me feel weird.

Same for my niece, she asked quite a few questions about masturbation(in a childlike, innocent way) after talking to me about that. If it wouldn't feel utterly wrong, i'd "teach" her myself just so she doesn't ask her brother. Either way, i already told her, in a "making fun of it"-way that i wonder how her brother would even want to teach her if he never was with a girl...which gave us a nice laugh and hopefully sways her away from it.

The thing is, while i TRY to be neutral and interfere as little as possible, i highly doubt i'd like the direction this would take. While it _MAY_ be innocent child-play and first experiences that come at a little later age, i assume its a minefield.
One thing goes wrong, we have a serious family problem, best not go there. I mean, it's dangerous already, she started having her period a few month back. What if he had ever drunkenly decided to not ejaculate on her lower belly, but rather directly on her vagina?

I truly thank you for your input on this. I think i see what you are trying to say, but some parts of it go beyond what i could accept with a good conscience. I agree that a main problem is the alcohol, and i WILL make sure he respect her choice.
I would also like to "encourage her to make up her own mind", however, to allow for that, i have to BE a counterweight to her brother, who obviously tries to get her to decide for his suggestion.

On a side note, i arranged for both of them to stay at my place on the weekend(and her parents out of town), and i plan on bringing this to the table, possibly with my nephew alone(wouldn't want to break the trust my niece puts into me openly, and i'm afraid she won't understand that as a necessity.), and tell him to stop those nightly visits, for good and real, or his parents will be the least he has to worry about.

It's not about becoming complacent or overly tolerant.

I see you fail to use the reply function, possibly because you just keep on ranting instead of even trying to respond to specific parts of what i write?

When me and my sis were teenagers, our cousin broke his arm, falling from a tree when trying to spy on us in the bathroom. We were all 13-15, and it was actually more of a good laugh than anybody blaming anybody.

You seem to fail to understand WHAT puzzled me here. So let me rephrase that: I _KNOW_ that what he did was wrong, and also already wrote i will make him stop that, if necessary. The question was mainly in regards to wether the age difference is normal.
If a 11 year old and a 12 year old fool around, thats normal and healthy behaviour. If a 14 and 16 year old fool around, thats also normal behaivour. I can only assume that out of availability here it's 16 and 11. The question was insofar THIS is normal. I know me and my sibling experimented a bit, but were closer in age, i know of other people who experimented with their siblings, but also closer in age.

The unknown factor for me here, is wether the age difference is too high to see this as fooling around.

The reason i will not talk her into feeling molested is BECAUSE i care about her feelings. I already told you how i would feel if she was my daughter.
I _AM_ concerned for my nephew, which is basically WHY i asked if this is normal. I do _NOT_ share your believe he'd find himself in prison for something worse.

As said, i don't know where you are from and wether you are trying to apply local morals or law to this, but do understand that my niece could, if she wanted, be sexually active with a boy up to 14 years old without any repercussions for either. The relative "liberty" of the law in that regard makes it a bit difficult to categorize this as molestation, especially if he's drunk.

The part you are missing is that i fully understand the situation, but i neither:

1.: Want my niece to become mentally damaged because people tell her she was molested and her brother is a would-be rapist she should never talk with again.
For siblings, they are very nice to one another, and she's a cheerful child. I will not destroy either for sake of morality.

2.: Want my family to break apart in ways, which would include involving law or social services in the process, neither cause too intense problems for my nephew as long as he didn't do more than that. I am aware you would call the firing squad, but i am more willing to forgive. If he had forced her to do anything, that would be a whole different story!

I gladly take it, as your opinion is rather the same as my own. But then, i never WAS a boy his age, so have no idea how well he should know/have himself under control, especially after drinking.
Thanks for your input.

*Brothers should know better than to do that, especially at 16, even if they are drunk.

I feel compelled to ask because i am unsure of which age difference is normal for this.
Me and my sister are closer age-wise, and i know we did some doctor games around her age.

What i mean to say: If that same motivation would be ok if they are 11 and 13, i don't know if it's just unusual or already abnormal with a greater age difference between them.
I know i did many "crazy" things during puberty, and so did some friends, therefore i feel compelled to ask for other peoples input on this.

Thank you for yours.

The problem is that it's not about dragging up the past. Maybe i misworded it, but this is "ongoing". In a different way, but not over. She confronted him last week, after that happened again, which is also when he put up the offer, and she talked to me last weekend.

"She could have told someone at the time but chose not to."
You are aware that this exact sentence is also true for most victims of rape by family members? Just saying....just because you don't tell someone inmediately does not mean it doesn't need to be talked about.

As said, i am even undecided as to wether it's a normal thing, however unusual due to higher age difference, or if it's abnormal, but i definitely don't want to "downplay" it like that. Thank you though for commenting.

I know you are, otherwise i would not have "put up" with your very emotional way of discussing- and i thank you for your input as well, even if i don't agree on everything.

As for the normalcy, well, i even stated there that i find it "weird", but i never was a pubertating boy, and don't know WHAT kind of "weird shit" those pull off, forgive my language. I had suspected, but was not sure, and i don't want to go tell my nephew it's not normal what he's doing when possibly it is...understand what i mean?

I never said it's okay. Yes, you are right, technically it was molestation. But to me, there's still a difference between someone that stealthily tries to sneak a peek, and someone that uses authority or force to do so. To me, what he did falls more under the first, he seemed to believe no one would find out and she would never know, which suggests to me that he is AWARE he was doing something wrong, but never wanted to "hurt" her, or give her any bad memories or stuff. Doesn't make it more right, but the intent is a whole lot different than in classic molestation.

As said, my main problem stems from the fact that my biggest issue with this is the age difference. If he was 12 years old, and caught his sister sleeping nude, getting an erection on his first sight of real female sex parts and decided to masturbate right then and there, i'd rather find it a funny story, especially if he's busted. That would be doctors play and mostly every psychologist would tell you thats normal.

He is older, but not all children and teenagers are at the same "level" at the same age. Which does, even if you don't understand this, make me insecure about it.

I know their parents would be rather shocked, naturally, and probably ground him, take away his pocket money for quite a while, etc...but i'm worried about a permanent "problem" in the family, such as them never leaving the kids alone again for fear of something happening, etc...
If it was my daughter, i would react mostly the same, except the threats i will give him if i talk with him would be more graphic, most likely.

My attitude towards this topic is that i want to stop it, as regardless of wether it's normal or not, it's a dangerous and unhealthy direction, in MY eyes. If the lack of severity or my unwillingness to call the cops to separate my family is revolting to you and makes me a bad aunt, i'll try and live with that.

Besides, that won't even do much good, while he is 2 years too old for this to be legal(age of consent is 14, or a maximum of 3 years age difference if one partner younger than 14), he didn't do very much(before you call me stupid again: i am referring to the fact he did NOT have sex with her, did NOT force her to anything, did not touch her or have her touch him, did not show her stuff, ...). So ya, most likely, he'd get a parole thingie inmediately(meaning he is sentenced to, say, 1 or 2 month of youth prison, but only has to go IF he messes something up again in the next 3-5 years), IF the judge decides it was deviant enough to warrant even that, which is unlikely as his sister generally likes him, and doesn't exactly feel "molested".

And before you go on about that: No, i will not TALK her into feeling molested. If she can pass this off as a early sexplay experience, i will NOT talk her into having a serious problem with this that will FOREVER damage the relation with her brother and make her need to see a shrink before being able to fall in love with a partner.

Amen.. hes a fucking sicko.