Is it normal for me to loathe indian men that have immigrated to american

I have had nothing but awful encounters with Indian men specifically. The women have been wonderful to my face but the men, scum of the Earth assholes. Every single one that I have met, just fucking horrible.

For reference I am a woman and I have gone to school with, worked with, trained, during college served them at restaurants and I have years of experience with them and have met well over 30 Indian men and every last one of them has been absolutely nightmarish to deal with.

In college I worked at a restaurant (Subway, I know Subway workers loathe Indians) and they were beyond picky about every single thing and refused to use the words yes or no when being asked questions about their food but would then scream at you if you didn't do their order perfectly or if the sandwich didn't look like it does on the advertisement photos. Instead of using words they would point from the other side of the glass like we could see wtf they were pointing at and they would get visibly upset and angry when you didn't guess the right item. And yes it was a guessing game, because if they point at a tomato and you can't see that from the other side so you ask if they want cucumber they will not tell you that they don't want cucumber. They will wait until the sandwich is done and wrapped to scream at you about how it's not right.

Mind you, almost every Indian I made a sandwich for ordered a flat bread with double all of the veggies and 3 or 4 sauces. It is impossible for that kind of sandwich not to be a mess.

Outside of that in college bars I was repeatedly harassed by Indian men and once it got to the point where one of them followed me out of the bar, was screaming at me desperate to get my attention, and then followed me home as I ran down the street in tears because some asshole was following me running after me. I had to have my roommates boyfriend go stand on the porch with his hunting rifle. That's just one example of all the times I had to have someone step in and protect me from those assholes and before anyone says I shouldn't have walked home alone, I lived 2 blocks from the bar. You could see my house from the bars front door. It was less than a 5 minute walk in what is normally an incredibly safe, small college town in a rural area.

Then there's all the times they've completely lacked in common manners such as holding a door open (had one slam a door on me while I was one foot through the doorway and it was 100% done on purposes because it was a heavy door that he had to turn around and push to slam), I have had them try to argue with me (a stranger who did nothing to them) at grocery stores. In school I had one tell me I would never make it in my field because as a woman I wasn't smart enough to work in finance. At work I have trained Indian men and they flat out refused to follow the instructions I gave them and then tried to blame me when they got in trouble for doing the work wrong, thankfully the training was recorded so I didn't get reprimanded because my boss knew it was a lie. I have had Indian men straight up lie to my supervisors on multiple occasions to try to make it look like I've not done my job even though I have proof that I've had physical, tangible proof that I did do it.

All of this drama for low to mediocre quality of work from them by the way. I have to spend 5-6 hours of my 8 hour work day fixing the mistakes of the primarily male Indian team because they're careless and sloppy in their work. As customers they're nitpick, rude, cheap AF, always trying to negotiate anything and everything and it doesn't matter if you're perfect at your job they will call and complain about something anyway.

At work for the past 2 months I have been telling the team of Indian men to check a box so the information they're working doesn't fail in their system and they refuse to do it. It causes me hours and hours of extra work to go back and research the failed items and fix them and validate them and send them off and it would take them 2 seconds to click a box that prevents all of the problems I get.

I feel fucking awful but after my latest Indian man run in the thought popped in my head- "I fucking hate all Indians"- and I can't get it out of my mind. I fucking hate them, I hate that it's racist but I hate Indian men more.

Is this normal?

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  • Cuntsiclestick

    I've known women who hated or feared men due to bad experiences. People called them sexist.

    I knew Black people who disliked Hispanic people with a passion because of bad experiences. People called them racist.

    I knew older people that couldn't stand younger people due to bad experiences. They were called ageist.

    Is it wrong to label an entire group based on bad experiences? Yes.

    However, if all you ever experience from one group is awful shit even after you try to be nice over and over again, it's sort of understandable.

    All the people I listed above are allowed to feel the way they feel. You're allowed to feel the way you do too. It's a gray area that most people aren't going to understand and being openly vocal about it will only lead to some of the consequences they received.

    You're may have to move to another place with a lower Indian population. If you can't at the moment you'll have to just grit your teeth and deal with your current situation. I do suggest that you try not to label the entire population of Indian men as bad if you grit your teeth and deal. You could wind up becoming a bitter person that no one wants to deal with just like the people I mentioned above. Then again the people I mentioned were all from my hometown, a ghetto area, so feel free to take what I say with a grain of salt.

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    • greenbean92

      This. I've had bad experience after bad experience and I am an extremely nice, friendly, patient person who can get along with almost anyone. I'm not going to get along with someone who harasses me, scares me, goes out of their way to undermine me, or someone who acts like I'm stupid because I'm a woman.

      I get what you're saying about not labeling the entire demographic but it is EXTEREMLY difficult to do when I have personally met at least over 30 Indian men, like met face to face on a first name basis, and then several more at stores and other places and every single one of them has been awful.

      I am always nice and patient and to be viewed as stupid because I'm tolerating their sexist, hateful behavior is infuriating.

      I also don't think it should be my responsibility to move from my hometown that my family has been a staple in for 90 years because Indians move to the ghetto 20 minutes away and decide they don't want to shop at the stores in their town so they drive to mine and are assholes to everyone around them.

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      • Cuntsiclestick

        It really is hard trying not to label an entire demographic. I kind of have a hard time with that right now when it comes to mentally ill people. Most of the people that have mooched off me, screwed me over, stole from me, got violent, or were just plain assholes had some sort of mental illness. They'd literally use it as an excuse for the bad things they did. I learned how to sense crazy from a person just from a simple face to face convo and I generally try to stay away from those people now. Ghetto areas are full of these people and it's one of the many reasons I don't even live in my own house anymore. My parents live in it still so I haven't sold the place yet. I just live with my boyfriend now.

        If they keep populating your town and have no intention of going away, and it's financially possible for you, moving might be the best option. Your town sounds like the kind of town that was my home town: nice until certain people moved in.

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  • donteatstuffoffthesidewalk

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIel6cBzQkI

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  • ospry

    There are a few people from India on my team at work. I feel fortunate now that they're all nice, professional men and women

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  • Nightsinwhitesatin

    No no its not. You are a racist

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    • ospry

      Or maybe the Indian men OP is talking about are sexist?

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      • greenbean92

        They're 100% sexist but on top of that there are many other problems and I've only experienced these problems with this specific demographic.

        I've seen them blatantly disrespect male managers and supervisors at my work as well, to the point where they would insinuate that department manager would be fired if he worked in India and thr individual that said that has also gone around saying he should be the boss of everyone. The thing is, the only thing keeping him from being fired is that we're so understaffed we can't fire him and no one else wants to micromanage a team of Indians that don't spel English well and are incredibly stubborn and difficult to work with. He and the team he supervises constantly underperforms, there are constant mistakes, he refuses to take direction or admit that he is making mistakes and therefore his team continues to make mistakes because he refuses to learn and do things right so he trains his team to do the wrong thing. Then when we have to keep asking him to do things the right way he gets extremely angry and acts like we're stupid for trying to teach him how to do his job.

        I've worked with other Indian men before at different jobs and I hate to stereotype but they're the exact same way.

        I've been to bars all over the country and young Indian men have been the same- relentless, desperate, creepy, and mean.

        I've served Indian customers at multiple restaurants before my big girl job, they were all the same. Extremely picky, extremely cheap, and would make up lies to complain to my manager to get me in trouble and get free food.

        My husband has several Indian customers and agrees, the women are sweet as can be but the men are cheap, picky, and will spend hours arguing with you over things. Then when he finally gives in and lets them have their way they still have the nerve to call his managers and complain about work they got done for free or at a huge discount because it was "too expensive"- it's to the point that if an Indian man is a customer and complains just 1 time they fire him as a customer because they lose money all the time.

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        • ospry

          lol, Indians go brrrrrr

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  • 1WeirdGuy

    I find indians to be decent immigrants. Worse case scenerio they open up a tabacco store and stare at you the whole time you shop.

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  • PurpleHoneycomb

    While I will admit this take seems ti partially be racist, I went ahead and gave you the benefit of asking my fiancée this question. (She was born in India and immigrated here when she was 8.) She responded with a few notable factors.

    1. When it comes to the employee training issues that you have, that makes sense. The employee standards are lower in India and thus many are not used to the standards here in the US.
    2. She decided to mention that your issues with manners and perverse behavior applies to all ethnicities and racial groups; not just men from India. Whether it be general misogyny or cat calling, she claims to have experienced it all of her life. In both India and America.
    3. She and I both hope you can have better experiences with them. The Indian culture has ups and downs, much like every other culture in the world.

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    • greenbean92

      I agree that the harassment comes from men of all ethnicities but in my experience Indian men have been WAY worse than any other ethnicity. When it gets to the point that someone tries to follow you home or throws a drink on you or has his friends gang up on you or does something that causes a women to have to ask a complete stranger for help in getting away from a guy it is a serious problem. Those are all things I've experienced specifically with Indian men and no other ethnicity. It gets taken to a level where I'm actually afraid of being physically harmed because I don't want to be hit on at a bar. Just for reference, I'm definitely not asking for it either. I'm not a girl that dresses up to go to a bar because I am not trying to attract attention from men at bars. I typically wear sweatpants, a tshirt or hoodie, and my hair up in a ponytail. I am doing everything I'm capable of to not attract male attention and I have repeatedly been harassed by the one ethnic group.

      This doesn't explain the general God awful behavior either. Just like downright hateful and mean and rude behavior. Like slamming a door on my body on purpose, being told I'm stupid and they would fire me if they were my boss, saying I shouldn't work in finance or couldn't make it in finance because I'm a woman, repeatedly lying to my boss to try to get me in trouble, repeatedly refusing to follow my management and instructions because I'm a woman. The multiple times I had been screamed at by Indian men when I worked at Subway after I allegedly made their sandwich wrong after they refused to tell me what they wanted on it. That was several men that did that and it happened to all of my coworkers, not just me. My last grocery store misadventure where an Indian man walked right into me with his cart and then screamed at me in the store, in front of everyone, because he walked into me because he was looking at his phone and not watching where he was going. And I'm not exaggerating when I say screamed either, the man literally raised his voice and screamed at me in the middle of a grocery store because he hit me.

      I've met and worked with just as many Indian women as I have men and the women are as sweet as can be so I don't understand the drastic differences I and many others I know have experienced between the genders.

      I'm not trying to be a dick but I've worked for international companies and have never had any other ethnicity go out of their way in attempts to undermine me or throw me under the bus to bosses. I've never been hit on or harassed to the extreme levels with any other ethnicity. It's one thing when there's a cultural difference that can be explained but it's totally different when it's harassment to the point that I'm scared to be around a person or I'm afraid to lose my job because someone is actively trying to get me reprimanded. I'm just lucky that my boss understands and knows, like you said, there is a significant difference between work standards so they don't believe the lies that are told. I'm not the only person at my job with this issue either, this is a continuing problem of this team refusing to accept responsibility for mistakes and putting the blame on others and flat out lying.

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