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I just don't trust it. I trust most vaccines, except ones I've had adverse experiences with. But I feel like this one was developed too quickly and, since I have heart issues, the side effects being myocarditis is very scary to me.
I got it and had no side effects. (When I got COVID, it ruined my lungs. I don't want it again.) Although I'm a firm believer that it should be everyone's choice, specifically for the reasons you mentioned.
My age is 20, although I'm not the healthiest. Before I contracted COVID, I would regularly bike 10 miles. (At least three times a week.)
After getting COVID, I struggle to even do that once a week due to my lungs being damaged by it. As I said, I'm not the healthiest for my age due to medical issues I faced in my teenage years.
Actually reading typically helps, though it's easier to speak out of your ass.
This particular virus, corona, has been studied for many decades. Swine flu is the same type of virus but a different variation of it hence the vaccine was not developed "too quickly", they have been preparing for needing to make a vaccine for something like this for a long time. Yes they haven't tested it for as long as what is typically advised but so far it's all good except from when it comes to Astra Zeneca which very soon it was clear that it was not a very safe vaccine.
Swine flu vaccine came quickly as well. The worst side effect of that was that a rather small percentage of humanity unfortunately got narcolepsy, but it was not many. I don't know of a single person who has it and I together with everyone else who went to school back then got that vaccine.
Longterm Covid, on the other hand, is a very well known phenomena at this point. There's people who's suffered the after effects of their infection since March last year... Some people even develop problems with their brain. Problems with their heart definietely. Covid absolutely does not only affect the lungs, and you never know if you get it for how long it will affect you... Ask yourself if that's what you want instead of taking a vaccine which will most likely give you some arm soreness for two days.
Stupid people keep citing low mortality rates like that's the only thing that matters.
The number of immuno-compromised people you pass it on to if you catch it and don't behave in a socially-responsible way doesn't matter to them. Nor does the strain on healthcare systems who have to care for people who are seriously ill but eventually recover. And the stories of people who are still suffering all sorts of weird problems months after they get the virus are all irrelevant, because anti-vaxers are very special people, and that will never happen to them.
We're now regularly hearing about prominent Covid-deniers and anti-vaxers dying of the disease, and I've read that it's not uncommon for seriously ill people to ask ICU doctors for the vaccine. I know it's not noble or humane, but I find these stories grimly satisfying and even a bit amusing. The political right is constantly ranting about how all the problems of the world would be solved if everyone accepted responsibility for their actions. It's good when these fools have to deal with the consequences of their ignorance and delusional belief system.
No, it’s not normal. I have a heart problem, and I’m glad I got it. All of that has been studied and taken into account. Get vaccinated before you’re on a ventilator wishing you had.
Again, it’s fine for people to have their own opinions.
The problem is the people who think ANYTHING regarding someone’s health choices, should be anyone’s decision but their own.
What's your opinion on a vaccine against something like ebola where the mortality rate is staggeringly high. Do you think then that it should be mandated in order to stop the spread?
I agree that the covid vaccine should be a choice btw. The moratlity rate of it is pathetic.
The death rate is fucking weak. And you have to consider that the numbers where taken by people dying for a million other reasons, but Bc they had COVID at the time of death, it counted as a COVID death. Car accidents. Cancer. Getting shot. All marked COVID death.
Not to mention that the cdc said in June that the nasal test didn’t actually work and it’s not safe for humans and people are still so quick to take it.
I get it but I got the vaccine months ago as have billions of others and it's been literally proven to be safe so really only morons now are anti Vax at this point.
No that's not weird at all.. I don't trust any of this shit. Covid has the same mortality rate as the flu (0.15% source: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33768536/ ), and governments across the world are gaining full control over the population through this insane fear mongering campaign. Now they're talking about yearly booster shots because the vaccine isn't effective at all in the long-term (which we "conspiracy nuts" have already known for a long time). In fact, just about everything that I said was going to happen which was labeled as a "crazy conspiracy theory" turned out to be true. It's obvious that there is much more going on behind the scenes, it's just unclear what exactly that is. I think getting indefinite booster shots for rest of your life is going to destroy your immune system in a way that you'll actually end up being the most vulnerable person for any bacteria or disease. I have not been vaccinated and I will never get this shit. They will have to strap me to a table and forcibly inject me if they want me to take it. There are endless red flags about this whole situation, I don't even know where to start. I will just chill and see what vaccinated people feel like in 10+ years, and then I'll decide if MAYBE I'll get the vaccine too. If I die from covid then so be it. But for the past year I've been out partying, sharing drinks and joints with 20+ people at a time, never wearing a mask or social distancing and this "killer virus" is literally nowhere to be seen. I don't think I've even heard a person cough in a serious manner for the past 6 months or so. I'm convinced that this is all a bunch of bullshit and the only thing that will change my mind is if I get covid and get seriously ill from it like never before. But even then I believe that hydroxychloroquin and ivermectine are more effective in reducing serious illness than any experimental vaccine will ever be. So yeah I wish everyone good luck with their subscription to yearly experimental booster shots, let me know in 10 years how you feel, I'm out.
Good point. The government is freaking out way to soon. They listened to the giant pharma companies who saw an opportunity to literally make trillions of dollars off of this shit, by concocting a strange vaccine and conducting the biggest human drug trial in history. And niw Pfizer has government approval for their vaccine. So now they will rake in insane amounts of money from governments all over the world. They'll eventually get a patent on their insane vaccine. The world would do better to push these companies to develop better medications to prevent the virus from infecting people and treat them if they do become infected.
Honestly the only solution I saw to this whole situation from the very beginning is just to let it spread and build up natural immunity on a global scale. I trust our natural immune systems much more than these grim big pharma companies with an extremely shady history. The biggest difference between a heavy flu season and covid is the way that it's reported on by the media. When 9000 people die in a single flu season in my country (the Netherlands) like in 2018, you don't hear shit about it. But now that 12000 people died WITH covid (not even from covid, because any positive diagnosis at the time of death is counted as a covid death) suddenly the whole world is freaking out and everyone needs to be locked up and vaccinated. Talk about overreacting. But honestly I don't think it's an overreaction. I think it's basically communism taking over disguised as a "deadly" virus.
I think that herd immunity can be an option when we know that the virus isn't going to kill a whole lot of people.
Unfortunately, it's only now that a large number of people have been vaccinated that a significant number of people have been able to catch covid without getting seriously ill.
Do you pay the premium price for Reynolds Wrap, or does dollar store aluminum foil work just as well?
Carry on as you are, and it's virtually guaranteed that you'll have personal experience of the virus sooner or later. Maybe you'll be one of the fortunate ones who doesn't suffer much, and maybe you won't pass it on to someone you care about (assuming any such person exists) who doesn't cope with the virus so well. But just bear in mind that if you ever find yourself gasping for air in some packed ER, you'll only look like an even bigger idiot than you are if you're one of the fools who then asks for the vaccine.
I bet youre the one that thinks the cia/gov our chipping us. But deep down its real.
I find it ironic how people justify their resistance to the vaccines on the grounds that they were developed quickly rather than being in awe that medical science, vaccine production technology and global distribution networks have advanced to such a stage that, worldwide, nearly five billion doses have been administered and nearly a third of the world's population has been fully vaccinated in such a short timeframe.
It is true that shortcuts were taken and the Covid vaccines did not go through the normal, lengthy clinical trial process. But the fact is that billions of people have now received the various vaccines, and the percentage of those who experienced adverse side effects has been tiny. Various anti-vax wingnuts cite all sorts of BS statistics, but it is now abundantly clear that those who have been vaccinated are much less likely to become seriously ill if (or, more likely, when) they catch the virus, while those who have not been vaccinated are much more likely to end up in hospital or a morgue.
Below is a link discussing myocarditis associated with the Covid vaccine. The TLDR is that, yes, it does seem that some of the vaccines most likely have triggered myocarditis in some people, but the risk of myocarditis caused by the virus itself is many times greater.
It seems that some people still have the idea that Covid only affects the lungs, but this is simply not true. It's a virus that can affect many organs, and that includes the heart.
Obviously, it's your choice, and you're free to cling to the hope that you're never infected and, if you are, you luck out, your body fights it off rapidly and you recover fully very quickly. Or you can be sensible and just get the damned vaccine.
https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg25133462-800-myocarditis-is-more-common-after-covid-19-infection-than-vaccination/
You don't know what a medicine or vaccine's effect will be until years down the road, not months. You just admitted it was a rush job.
Fun fact: the reason vaccines usually take so long is because of bureaucratic delays, not because they’re looking for long term side effects. It normally takes a very long time to find a successful vaccine, get approval for Phase 1 testing, interpret the results, get approval for Phase 2 testing, find volunteers and do the testing, interpret the results, and get full approval. The vaccine makers go over the results of every single individual person who was part of each test, and then the FDA convenes a panel of independent experts do the same thing to make sure nothing was missed. It takes a long time to do because there’s a lot that has to be done, not because they’re waiting to see if there’s any long term side effects. They can, when necessary, expedite the process without skipping any steps.
There is nothing in the vaccine that could cause long term side effects, all it does is show your immune system what the virus looks like so your immune system can develop a defense for it, and then your immune system destroys the vaccine just like it would destroy the virus. That’s why all of the side effects of the vaccine are also side effects of COVID, the only difference being that they’re exceptionally rare with the vaccine and relatively common with COVID.
What you say is all true, but of course it's far too complicated for many people to grasp, and truth and facts don't matter to them in any case. What they can relate to at a visceral level is the BS spread by ignorant, deranged fools via social media, Fox, AON and other bad-faith actors.
When have you ever been inclined to trust people who rely on censorship and peer pressure to move their agenda? When have you ever trusted someone who told you to take a medication without first consulting your doctor?
If you ever put your faith in bureaucrats or in the pharmaceutical industry, can you still manage this after their coordinated campaign of silencing qualified doctors and scientists who voice disagreement, ask obnoxious questions, or even just test their patients for blood clotting?
Witness the gag order against Charles Hoffe. Witness the attempt to paint Dan Stock's claims as false, by substituting transmission for infection. The smear campaign against Robert Malone and Luc Montagnier. The gaslighting of an entire country, India, which recovered from a terrible death surge by resuming outpatient medication regimens. All while they call the safest medications in the world "horse dewormer" and "fish tank cleaner," and sideline countless physicians and studies proving their efficacy with overwhelmingly positive outcomes.
Why would do ever do ANYTHING these people recommend?
If you have heart issues you would be more likely to die if you caught covid. At least with getting vaccinated you can let medical professionals know about that history and they can administer preventative medicine.
It's probably fine but as an american you have the complete right to not get the covid vaccine. Anyone who dismisses you as being just superstitious hasnt taken the time to realize the ramifications of mandating vaccines especially when the science says that they are losing potency.
What is your alternative? Wait until the vaccine is 3-4 years out and just hope you dont catch it until then? (Not a snarky remark, actually curious)
Eat a lot of foods with anti-viral properties. I tend to make my food my medicine.
Mmmm what would some food be? I am sitting bed ridden going to take a covid test tomorrow… I dont think its covid because per my comment on sniffing period blood, i am on my period and can infact smell that (i was in the bathroom and went “thank god I can fucking smell that)…
Its not covid
I think OP will continue to strictly observe the SOPs for several years to come while waiting to see what mutations (if any) the people who got vaccinated will manifest.
Me neither. It's not even a vaccine. It doesn't stop the spread of covid and alters your DNA.
It's always a good idea to have at least a clue about what you're talking about before you express a definite opinion.
No vaccine stops you from being infected by a viral or bacterial disease. No vaccine guarantees that an infected person will not suffer the symptoms of the disease. Nor does any vaccine guarantee that an infected person will not produce enough of the pathogen to pass it on to others.
There is indisputable evidence that the Covid vaccines reduce the spread of the disease, and the allegation that they alter a vaccinated person's DNA is nonsensical, counter-factual crap.
You're obviously free to gulp down whatever flavour of bullshit you choose, but the facts are that in the UK, where vaccination rates are relatively high, the number of people in hospitals and morgues due to Covid is drastically lower than it was earlier in the year, whereas in shit-holes infested with idiotic anti-vaxers (Texas is a good example) the rates are higher than they were then.
oh yeah well I know someone personally who got a stroke right after having the vaccine and has been told she'll never drive again. She was in her 20s. I also know other people who have had constant headaches since having it, and are suffering neurological problems like memory loss and forgetting how to walk because of it. Also I have EXTREMELY SEVERE TOMOPHOBIA AND HYPOCHONDRIA WHICH MEANS I HAVE AN EXTREME PHOBIA OF MEDICAL PROCEDURES AND GETTING ILL AND BEING FORCED TO HAVE MEDICAL PROCEDURES, so obviously I am going to avoid medical procedures at all cost. Don't fix what isn't broken. And also your tone is very insulting, so try being polite because now you just sound like a jerk and I'm not going to listen to a jerk or someone who's rude.
https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/ends-debate-israeli-study-shows-natural-immunity-13x-more-effective-vaccines-stopping
Vaxxers rekt. But ofcourse it's just fake news right?
So far this year my uncle's partner of almost thirty years passed away from the virus, I have a second cousin in Colombia who died of the virus and my therapist's husband passed away this morning of the virus after having been in the hospital since May 6th of this year! My uncle's partner had recieved the vaccine, but she still got sick, and died in the hospital. My only consolation is that she appeared to be getting better before she died, and was able to get off the ventilator, and actually talk with my uncle for about 45 minutes, and I'm grateful to God that they were able to communicate with each other!
I haven't had the vaccine, and I'm in no hurry to get it. I will continue to wear my masks, and do social distancing. I haven't hugged, or kissed my mother, and father since sometime in late February, or early March of last year.
Back when I lived in Las Vegas I used to go to karaoke with a girlfriend of mine, and I really miss those days. I haven't been able to attend Mass, recieve the Eucharist, or go to Confession since the beginning of 2020! I spend a lot of time alone in prayer with my cat these days.
I can relate to that. I've a family history of multiple liver and heart diseases apart from all the smokers and drinkers.
I was also very sceptical when I was offered the injection. However, I've to say my life is probably over anyway. I come after the branch of ma family that's got the most health problems and have already picked up some from that branch of the family that has already been diagnosed. Wouldn't be at all surprised if my heart, liver, stomach and some other organs were pre-damaged without it being noticed at the regular check-up at the doctors. And since I also lead a bad lifestyle, I'll die sooner anyway, even without the vaccination, so I don't really give a shit.
So far I've hardly any side effects. I have simply become calmer, more easily exhausted. Sometimes I catch myself hearing an eerie whisper. Or a strange man with a disfigured face who laughs strangely or chants ominously in a chorus. I am permanently warm. But I think that's more due to overwork, not the vaccination. I've been sleepin maybe four hours a night lately, restless like Freddy Krueger is on the rampage. I'm in my mid-twenties btw.
I was vaccinated for the second time in July. If I don't write anythin more in a few months to years, I'll probably have bitten the dust. Who cares? I'll simply live my life to the end, as I've done until now. With all the advantages and disadvantages.
There was a study by University of Pittsburgh that showed that those with PHDs were now the most likely group to not get vaccinated. Its not just working class people that are skeptical.
It usually takes 10 to 15 years for a vaccine to come out because they want to know the long term effects. This one is classified as experimental by the FDA because the long term effects obviously arent known yet. Not only that but it has not been very effective. Almost 50% of those in ICU in the UK are vaccinated. You can still spread the virus if you took the vaccine. If you are young and healthy the deathrate for covid is literally almost 0%. Why even take an experimental vaccine if the virus isnt a threat to you? And dont tell me its for other ppl because you can still spread it if you are vaccinated.
I'm sure you've cited that statistic from the UK before - although you've inflated it from 40% to 50% this time, and you've also put additional anti-vaxer spin on it by saying it's those in ICU, when you previously stated correctly that it was those in _hospital_. I explained then why the figure doesn't mean what you clearly want it to mean, but there's clearly no point in repeating myself.
But, yeah, it's true that there could be long-term side effects of the vaccine - unlikely, but possible. Have you ever considered that it's well established that viral infections can also have very long-term effects? Ever hear of shingles? In the context of this OP, a recent study in the USA found that males aged 12 to 17 were drastically more likely to develop myocarditis in the months following a positive Covid test than should normally be the case for that demographic.
And, yeah, it's also true that young, healthy people are unlikely to be hospitalised or end up dying from Covid, but it does happen, and that's not the whole story. Quite a few of those people are still struggling with weird problems months after they recovered from the acute phase.
As for the number of people with doctorates who haven't had the vaccine, I can't be bothered to try to figure out if this is some OAN/Fox/social media BS, but I'll assume it's true. First, I'm surprised at you of all people apparently claiming that people with a "Dr" before their name have some sort of superior wisdom or common sense. Also, a lot of people with doctorates know even less than you or I do about medicine, immunology or epidemiology. Personally, I don't really care what the opinions of someone with a doctorate in cultural anthropology or mediaeval art history are in this context.
I would add to this that you can get a doctorate in just about anything - from Ancient History to Lady Gaga - and you still get those two letters, 'Dr'. You just need to be able to understand a specific body of knowledge, research a long-term project in something according to some very specific requirements and techniques, and write in a certain way to a very high word count. You don't need to know the slightest thing about science of any kind.
I’ve noticed that person has a tendency to keep repeating false or misleading statistics even after the flaws have been explained to them, ie they also have that “the CDC says the COVID mortality rate is only 0.2%” stat I debunked over a year ago and they still keep citing it, although somehow it morphed into a 0.02% mortality rate somewhere along the way. I don’t even bother responding to people like them anymore, unless they respond to me directly first.
Here’s the study they appear to be referencing: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.20.21260795v1
And it does indeed say what they said it says, but there’s a good discussion in the comments about the…flaws…of this survey. The group is self selecting, so it’s people who chose to take a survey they saw on Facebook, and more importantly, they simply took on faith that people would be honest about their education level. So it’s entirely possible that enough people who are vaccine hesitant simply lied about having a doctorate that it threw off the numbers. They do acknowledge that the average level of education is higher in this group than the general population, which is a red flag. If they ever tell us how many of the self proclaimed doctorates are Trump supporters, that would tell us a lot if it’s significantly higher than the 6% of doctorate degree holders who are Republicans in the general population.
Ah, a Facebook survey. That explains a lot.
I'm sure that almost every academic working in fields that are relevant in any way to Covid has been spending a lot of their time filling in Facebook surveys over the last 18 months.
FWIW (and unlike some other IIN members) I don't believe weirdguy is a horrible person, and nor do I think he's stupid. But he is deeply invested in a counter-factual worldview and my impression is that this distorts his recollection of figures. Of course, an alternative explanation is that he is indeed simply a nasty person and a bad-faith actor who deliberately spreads outright lies and distorted versions of the truth.
Apparently the purpose of the study was to simply measure how much vaccine hesitancy had dropped between January and May, so any other interpretation of the data would be a stretch, even if it weren’t a Facebook study. But, notably, the self reported doctorate group is the only education level that did NOT see a drop in vaccine hesitancy, which is another sign that there’s something off with that group.
I think it’s usually pretty easy to tell the difference between people who simply have a distorted view of the world and people who are bad faith actors. I’m in the middle of a conversation(using that term loosely) with a clear bad faith actor in another thread on this site right now, and it’s easy to see how desperate they are to get me to react in a certain way to anything they say because they already have their logical fallacy laced rebuttals lined up and ready to go. No interest in a conversation, just a desperate need for a way to proclaim victory, no matter which way they have to shift the goalposts as they go along. I don’t think the person you responded to here feels that way at all…if I had to guess, it seems like they might not even read a lot of the replies to their comments, which would explain why they keep repeating things that are proven to be false or misleading.
I already took the first dose, and only side effect was my arm hurting when I lift it for a couple days.