Is it normal i think gun sellers/makers should be accountable?

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Yet another school shooting.
This time, 17 dead in Florida.
The shooter was smart enough to buy guns, pull the fire alarm which made for more densely packed target area.
Now, he gets free multiple lawyers, and they'll say it's a mental issue.
What if the same guy had sex with one 17 y.o. student?.
He'd have 1 shitty public defender.
Be labeled a child molester, never allowed to own so much as a bullet, and have to register for life.
Am I missing something?
Society cares more if one person is involved in a sexual situation, than it does if 17 are murdered.?
Let's not pretend it's an isolated incident either.
Mass shooting after mass shooting.
Nothing is done.
Pick up one sex charge from a minor, a disgruntled ex wife, Co worker etc.
A person is labeled a threat to society for life.
I don't know about you.
I'd rather be raped and alive to get revenge and recover.
Than be dead.
How is murder less of a crime.
Less of a pressing national issue.
I guess if 'sex offenders' had a lobby like the NRA things would be different.
I don't claim to be normal.
But, I can't be the only one sick of gun violence.

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  • CDmale4fem
    6 years ago | pl

    Of that's the case, then you need to hold automakers accountable for drunk drivers and stupid people doing stupid shit in vehicles. It so maybe I can hold the manufacturer of my mountain bike responsible for when I run someone over on a sidewalk or I run over a dog or cat. I didn't even read your post but your header is stupid and makes no sense whatsoever.

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    • CozmoWank
      6 years ago

      ...And Louisville Slugger should be accountable if I beat someone to death. It's their fault.

      ...And my car dealer should pay for my speeding tickets.

      The media completely blows the threat of shootings way out of proportion. (If it bleeds, it leads.)Every year in the US more people die of Pancreatic Cancer than from gunshots but you wouldn't know it by watching the news.

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      • factcheck
        6 years ago

        A baseball bat is used to play baseball. A car is used to drive you from one place to another. A gun has no other purpose than killing people. I'm so sick of these idiotic comparisons.

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        • CozmoWank
          6 years ago

          I'm so sick of idiotic definition of firearms. That's like arguing all knives are designed to cut flesh.

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    • Hateful1
      6 years ago

      Exactly. We don't blame plumbers for the water mothers drowned their babies in.

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    • Algum
      6 years ago

      Yeh. And liquor stores accountable for alcoholics, doctors and pharmacies accountable for opiate addicts, and tobacco companies accountable for lung cancer.

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      • TerriAngel
        6 years ago

        Actually right or wrong.
        Party host or bars can be held accountable for drunk drivers that got drunk at their place.
        Not saying I agree.
        I host parties too.
        But, it does happen.

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    • Checkmate_King
      6 years ago

      Right on. Might as well accuse the match of burning down the house.

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  • fakeaccount2
    6 years ago | pl

    I like how you tried to use a school shooting as a cover for your incel/mgtow rant. “People can have guns but I can’t rape anyone???” rayb12, that you?

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    • factcheck
      6 years ago

      I'm glad I'm not the only one who picked up on this. That was such an odd post.

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      • fakeaccount2
        6 years ago

        Yeah I had to re-read the post a couple times and I'm still not sure why else they would have included that sort of thing, it is completely unrelated.

        I'm pretty sure from the clickbait title and shitty logic this OP is either a troll or mentally ill.

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  • nikkiclaire
    6 years ago

    All those guns running around shooting people. Yes lock up the wicked guns. Who do they think they are.

    In all seriousness tho, I heard a valid argument from Michael Savage on holding the manufacturers and distributors of psychopharmacology medications accountable.

    Guns aren't the problem. There is something fundamentally wrong with a society when this happens. Address the root causes, not the instrument.

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    • McBean
      6 years ago

      The US already has the Brady Bill. Tell us more about your take on the root of the problem.

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      • Nickvey
        6 years ago

        the Brady bill was passed by congress. Its still in effect. because most republicans already own guns it keeps crazy democrats from spontaneously buying a gun and murdering people. Its a good bill and republicans passed the measure because we knew it would stop democrats from being able to murder innocent people.

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        • McBean
          6 years ago

          Yes, democrats with guns are indeed a dangerous bunch.

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    • TerriAngel
      6 years ago

      Mike savage was bought off by the NRA years ago.
      I hear what you're saying about the ills of society.
      But.
      That doesn't stop the reality.
      I never thought twice about using my dad's guns.
      I knew where they were, ammo too.
      But, that's not o.k.
      Today.
      There's been to much shooting.
      Schools, universities, theatre's, malls.
      My dad's guns were simple.
      Ruger mkII pistol.
      Mauser rifle.
      A 308 deer rifle.
      My older bros single shot 12 ga.
      But, in today's world.
      The guns should not be accessible to kids.
      They don't need to be military grade semi auto.
      Bump stops, 100 round drum magazines.
      Really.
      Who is this for?
      Useless and or illegal for hunting.
      Wastefull of ammo.
      Unless you have a close grouped set of targets.
      You're ok with this?

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      • nikkiclaire
        6 years ago

        I commented on Savages stance on pharmaceuticals so his relationship with the NRA has nothing to do with it.

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      • nikkiclaire
        6 years ago

        Yep, I am ok with it. I would rather give up safety for freedom any day of the week.

        The government won't keep you safe and police don't stop much crime.

        We need less laws, not more.

        Imma tiny government person.

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  • Whatintarnation
    6 years ago

    It doesn't matter how many kids die unfortunately. The same tired arguments will be made about how criminals don't follow the rules or guns don't kill people, blah blah blah. So we'll continue to do nothing.

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    • Nickvey
      6 years ago

      we should ban democrats from owning guns and see if that works.

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      • Whatintarnation
        6 years ago

        I don't think we should ban guns at all. I own twelve myself and have a concealed carry permit. I do think however it should be much more of a process to buy a semi automatic rifle. More than a .22 caliber at least. Classes and fees would be a good start. I think a mental fitness test should also be a requirement. We can have sensible laws governing gun sales without infringing on your second amendment. The whole do nothing approach isn't working out so well for us. I'm getting kind of tired of watching kids get slaughtered every month. Will tougher laws prevent every mass shooting? Of course not. Could increased laws and harsher penalties STEM the tidal wave of violence? Maybe. To do nothing doesn't work. We have to start somewhere. I'm fine with taking a class to buy my next semi automatic if it means that just possibly my nut bar neighbor down the street is barred from owning one.

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        • charli.m
          6 years ago

          "We can have sensible laws governing gun sales without infringing on your second amendment."

          Looks like no matter what side of the fence you're on you get shat on for this sensible comment. Thumbed you back up one.

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        • TerriAngel
          6 years ago

          Common sense, thank you.

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  • Pauld9
    6 years ago

    D.U.I. we blame the driver.
    Not the car.
    Same with guns.
    No difference.

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    • TerriAngel
      6 years ago

      Let me know when 1 D.U.I. Kills 17 and wounds 12 more.
      It's not comparable.

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      • Nickvey
        6 years ago

        get fucking real.

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      • CozmoWank
        6 years ago

        If you do your research you will discover, according to the CDC and FBI statistics, every year drunk drivers kill far more people than ALL types of rifles combined (Not just AR 15 type.)
        -About 10,000 alcohol related traffic deaths vs. about 350 deaths from ALL type of rifle.
        But you want to ban AR15's?

        https://www.cdc.gov/motorvehiclesafety/impaired_driving/impaired-drv_factsheet.html

        https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/offenses-known-to-law-enforcement/expanded-homicide/expanded_homicide_data_table_8_murder_victims_by_weapon_2009-2013.xls

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        • TerriAngel
          6 years ago

          Sorry, my bad.
          Let's just issue an AR15 with a full clip.
          Armor piercing bullets to each graduate or person with a driver's license.
          They can shoot whoever might be a drunk driver, then we'll all be safe.
          Seriously, a D.U.I. Doesn't kill 17 at a time.
          Never mind the ones crippled for life.
          It's easy to be flippant about it.
          Pray it never happens to someone you do give a shit about.

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          • CozmoWank
            6 years ago

            But the fact remains, more people ARE crippled and killed by drunk drivers than AR15's yet we aren't talking about banning alcohol or motor vehicles. Ever see the body count of an interstate pileup or bus crash?
            You completely disregard the lives saved by the presence of a gun.
            Check out the Obama initiated study of gun violence by the CDC in 2013.
            The study’s findings include:
            -Gun use is the safest of studied “self-protective strategies,”
            and
            -the estimated number of defensive uses of guns ranges "from about 500,000 to more than 3 million per year."

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        • factcheck
          6 years ago

          I love how you cherry pick rifles, but make it sound like you're being generous by saying "ALL types of rifles combined." You're leaving out the other 12,000 gun homicides every year, and that doesn't include accidents and suicides.

          That'd be trying to minimize drunk driving by saying "there's only X drunk driving deaths from ALL types of Volkswagens, not just Beetles."

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          • CozmoWank
            6 years ago

            Seriously you need to reread my post. I was referring to the banning of Ar15's which TerriAngel keeps mentioning and was used in most school shootings. Don't even start an argument involving accidents and suicides. That's just ridiculous. And the total number of gun homicides is around 10,000 including self-defense and law enforcment shooting bad people.

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    • Checkmate_King
      6 years ago

      Goddammit those fucking bicycles are killing and maiming thousands of kids every year and there's NO laws. We must stop them!!

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    • [Old Memory]
      6 years ago

      I have carpal tunnel syndrome. I'm in the process of suing penthouse magazine for pain and suffering.

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  • kupokupo
    6 years ago

    The fact that American gun laws won't be changed and after every mass shooting the media never comments how this shit tends to only happens in America (it must be those violent video games hurr durr!) is outright dumbfounding.

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  • barstool
    6 years ago

    What's this about free multiple lawyers? Source?

    People definitely don't think a mass shooting is less of a deal than a sex crime. I'm outside the US, and there's no way one rape there would be reported in my country. But mass school shootings are a big deal, over-hyped if anything (given the fraction of total gun deaths they account for - but I'm not saying they're not a big deal, they are).

    As far as lawyers, the adversarial system only works if people have adequate defense. They're going to be prosecuted like hell, they need people to defend them and *theoretically* the truth and the best outcome emerges from that. Obviously in the US the system is pretty fucked and unequal. But that aside, people need to be able to defend themselves in court, it doesn't matter who they are.

    And putting gun producers/sellers on trial is ridiculous, since they did nothing illegal.

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    • Hateful1
      6 years ago

      See my post below.

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  • Hotdogsaregross
    6 years ago

    It’s not the gun makers or sellers fault.
    There have always been guns in the United States yet people are doing mass shootings more than ever.
    It’s getting worse each year.
    I think it has to do with mental illness, idolization of other mass shooters/serial killers (this makes some people that don’t have anything to live for want to kill because of how famous a mass shooter/serial killer has become over the killings), and the internet.
    The internet has really affected everyone in so many ways. Especially the ones that grew up with internet.

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    • TerriAngel
      6 years ago

      Ok, I can agree.
      To a point.
      The Thomson 45 submachine gun used to be for sale in catalogs.
      The military passed it up as being unnecessarily wasteful.
      Sprays bullets with little accuracy.
      But, gangsters had no problem with colateral damage, or money on wasted ammo.
      But, we stopped just selling Tommy guns by mail.
      You won't stop the criminally intent people.
      But, that doesn't mean you make it easy, or more efficient for them to kill.
      Gun rights are one thing.
      I think the rights of the rest of the population to have life, liberty and a pursuit of happiness
      TRUMPS your right to have military grade hardware.
      With no training at age 18.

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      • lonewolf1253
        6 years ago

        You don't know jack shit. Every squad in WW11 had at least one sub-machine gun. And that was the Thompson. It just didn't usually have a drum magazine. A straight magazine was most commonly used. A great weapon for close quarter combat. Clearing rooms and bunkers. Do your homework kid before you post such drivel.

        https://youtu.be/iroDd25uj9k

        See for yourself. Don't take my word for it. It was more than a match for the German MP40 because of it's much larger caliber.

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        • Checkmate_King
          6 years ago

          Thumbs up from me buddy. .45 makes one helluva hole.

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        • TerriAngel
          5 years ago

          Yes, in WWII
          THE Thompson became popular.
          But, did you consider my dates?
          The Tommy was released before the war.
          Was sold to the public.
          Was rejected by LAW ENFORCEMENT
          AND current standing military.
          During the great depression and prohibition it was used by gangsters.
          Prohibition was finally overturned.
          The world started to recover, then WWII started.
          And yes, the Thomson was a then welcome addition.
          I'm not questioning that.
          My post was concerning the 20s and 30s.
          Granted, better knock down then a 9mm.
          But, guess what became standard.
          9mm as the U.S. sidearm.
          7.5
          5.5? M16 round.
          Not sure, guns aren't my thing.

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  • Hateful1
    6 years ago

    All of you gun law advocates can argue until you're blue in the face and I don't care. When I was a child and my father was beating my brother to death I stopped him with a gun. There is no doubt in my mind he was going to kill my brother with his bare hands. As well as me soon after. As for calling the police that would have taken at least forty minutes for them to show. I know because of the times our neighbors called them.

    Gun law advocates only count the lives lost to guns. Then won't count the lives saved. Why? Because then their virtue signaling wouldn't look nearly as good.

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    • factcheck
      6 years ago

      Oh no, gun law advocates count both, it's just that the number of lives saved is so insignificant compared to the number of lives lost that they're not worth mentioning. For every life saved by a gun there are over 100 lost.

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      • Hateful1
        6 years ago

        Yes, because all cases where a gun has chased of an animal or human attacker is reported.

        You should change you nickname.

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    • Checkmate_King
      6 years ago

      Right on brother

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  • [Old Memory]
    6 years ago

    First, I would rather be murdered than have to deal with being raped Second, people want a scapegoat, they don't want to believe a normal person (or seemingly normal person) can kill a bunch of people, so they blame music, books, movies and guns, its not the guns fault it was used to kill innocent people

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  • Nickvey
    6 years ago

    also 9 times out of ten its a crazy democrat that mass murders people , republicans all burn in hell . democrats are awarded virgins or some shit like that. they get life and the victims all get death as well , see how fucked up that is? not only that , the women start hiring doctors to murder the unborn , so they get used to murder . pretty soon murder becomes somthing they must do to feel normal. Im not making this shit up. when Hillary lost all democrats wanted to do was murder people right and left. you could read about it everyday on you tube. they all wanted to kill anyone that did not vote for hillary. they are all batshit crazies that should never ever be allowed to carry guns.

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  • Nickvey
    6 years ago

    why should not we hold drug companies liable for mass shootings , those drugs cause homicides with or without gun usage. sue the bastards out of business

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  • TheGypsyTaylor
    6 years ago

    Nothing in your horseshit rant has anything to do with gun makers or sellers or how/why they should be responsible.

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  • Handyman
    6 years ago

    Maybe his friends should be held accountable. They should have noticed his way of doing things. I suppose human rights should be blamed.

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    • factcheck
      6 years ago

      The funny thing is, even though you're intentionally being stupid to try to make a(flawed) point, the president literally used that argument. I guess nobody told him that this guy was reported over and over again.

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      • Handyman
        6 years ago

        A stupid argument indeed. Do you know how many stupid reports are reported on a regular basis by people seeing stupid things in their own minds?

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  • Hateful1
    6 years ago

    He bought one gun, way before the shotting.
    As far as I can tell he only has one attorney Jim Lewis and Nikolas Cruz did show many signs of mental illness.
    If he had sex with a 17 year old student nothing would happen because he is 19 years old and thats legal in Florida.
    His family is paying for the attorney.
    Felons can own as many bullets as they want.
    You can move to a country that has gun laws. Canada for instance.
    Murder and rape are both horrible crimes.

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    • CDmale4fem
      6 years ago

      Maybe wherever you live. But where I live felons cannot posses guns knives, ammunition, reloading equipment, and for that matter not even a BB Gun. Maybe your state should maybe tighten those loops a bit more and if the bad guys break the laws then the law will break them.

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      • Hateful1
        6 years ago

        I should be more specific. I did make a boo boo. I meant to say a felon can buy as many bullets as they want. Why? Because there is no background check required for things like knives, ammunition, reloading equipment, and for that matter not even a BB Gun. Or a Flare gun for that matter. It may be illegal for them to own it but since no one checks...

        Also I a felon was not convicted of a violent crime they can petition the court for permission to own guns, ammunition, ect.

        As for knives only hard blades over two inches are restricted (well bowie knives, dirk knives, butcher knives, switchblade knives, swords)

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      • Hateful1
        6 years ago

        You live in California don't you.

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      • Hateful1
        6 years ago

        Can't own knives? No steak for you. Seriously, only in China. What state do you live in?

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    • Nickvey
      6 years ago

      reported rape one every 6.2 minutes in the USA. it would take 92 years before your turn came around one time. math is math.

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      • Hateful1
        6 years ago

        I was pointing out flaws in the OP's "arguments". But it's nice to see you're using real stats. Not the popular 1 rape every 1.9 seconds bogus.

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        • factcheck
          6 years ago

          Literally nobody in the history of the world has said a rape happens every 1.9 seconds in the US. 1.9 minutes would be accurate, though.

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          • Hateful1
            6 years ago

            Yah, I think your right slipped on that one. But the minute one is wrong to.

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        • [Old Memory]
          6 years ago

          If I'm doing the math right, that would be nearly 16 million rapes a year. Bogus is right.

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          • Nickvey
            6 years ago

            no 84,000 rapes per year not 16 million you suck at math.

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            • factcheck
              6 years ago

              There's 321,500 rapes in the US every year. You seem to forget that the vast majority of them aren't reported.

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            • [Old Memory]
              6 years ago

              At one rape every 1.9 seconds, it would be about 15.7 million a year.

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  • Nickvey
    6 years ago

    if you outlaw guns only outlaws will have guns btw guns are illegal in mexico , move to mexico

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    • [Old Memory]
      6 years ago

      Which has an astonishingly high murder rate. The criminals get all the guns they need with no problem and the peaceful citizens are sitting ducks.

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    • factcheck
      6 years ago

      So your argument is that there should be no laws. Got it.

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  • EnglishLad
    6 years ago

    Are guns legal in Australia? No. How many gun homicides in Australia in 2012? 1.4 for every 1 million people.

    Are guns legal in New Zealand? No. How many gun homicides in New Zealand in 2012? 1.6 for every 1 million people.

    Are guns legal in Germany? No. How many gun homicides in Germany in 2012? 1.9 for every 1 million people.

    Are guns legal in Austria? No. How many gun homicides in Austria in 2012? 2.2 for every 1 million people.

    Are guns legal in Denmark? No. How many gun homicides in Denmark in 2012? 2.7 for every 1 million people.

    Are guns legal in the USA? Yep. How many gun homicides in the USA in 2012? 29.7 for every 1 million people.

    The population of the USA in 2012 was 314 million. That equates to 9326 US citizens that year killed by gun homicides alone, compared with just 32 in Australia.

    Open your eyes, America.

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    • jethro
      6 years ago

      Well I am just curious. If guns were illegal in those countries, where did they get the guns to kill the people that they did? I guess if someone really wants to get a gun and kill people, they will find a way illegally to get one. Open your eyes. Law abiding people will always abide by the law and criminals will not. I have an idea, lets outlaw drugs and rape. That will make it go away, won't it? Maroon.

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      • charli.m
        6 years ago

        I don't know about other countries, but in Australia, it IS legal to own a gun, we just have more stringent regulations around it. In my postcode area, the stats are:

        Population (approx): 13,298
        Registered firearms owners: 143
        Registered firearms: 623
        Largest number of guns held by one registered owner (excluding collectors): 39
        Average registered firearms per registered firearms owner: 4

        Illegally owned ones are obviously not accounted for.

        No one is saying "banning" guns will magically fix everything. Most people aren't even calling to ban guns, just to regulate better - whether thats a case of adding laws or merely adequately enforcing those already in place, I don't know.

        Yes, those who are inclined to break the law will still do the wrong thing. Duh. But the amount of unstable people killing themselves and/or others, or children getting their hands on loaded weapons and shooting themselves or others will decrease.

        And responsible owners get to keep their guns. Why would any responsible owner oppose that?

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      • factcheck
        6 years ago

        So it's just a coincidence that far fewer people want to get a gun and kill people in countries where guns are illegal?

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        • jethro
          6 years ago

          No. Outlawing guns will not stop homicides by firearms. Criminals will always find a way to get them because criminals will always sell them. Or is that a concept that somehow alludes you?

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      • EnglishLad
        6 years ago

        Maroon is a color, not an insult, bellend

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        • jethro
          6 years ago

          It was a play on words. https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=maroon
          It was a word of derision uttered by Bugs Bunny with an interaction with a dopey adversary. It is also the name of a rock band. But if you must, in your case, you are a moron too. See you next Tuesday.

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    • TerriAngel
      6 years ago

      Point, set, and match.

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    • CozmoWank
      6 years ago

      In the past 100 years how many of those countries have been invaded and occupied?

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    • lonewolf1253
      6 years ago

      Guns are as American as apple pie. America was forged in blood, guns and armed conflict. That's why the constitution states that the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. And it will not be infringed. Period.

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      • factcheck
        6 years ago

        You missed the words "well regulated" there.

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  • Biman458
    5 years ago

    There is no problem with guns in the United States. You will have nut jobs out there. You take away the guns, they will just find another way. They will use knifes, cars or even bombs. So taking away ones right to defend themselves so you can feel good about yourself is not the answer.

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      5 years ago

      Biman.
      Do you stop to think, or just like to repeat talking points youve heard?
      Lets see anyone with a knife kill just 12 people.
      thats a small number.
      a car, ditto.
      a bomb, really?
      To much work, and to complicated for your average
      ' mentally challenged ' person.
      who said anything about taking aeay your right to defend yourself?
      But, do you NEED an AR15 or simular assault rifle with a bump stop to defend yourself?
      Really how many enemies do you have.

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  • Biman458
    5 years ago

    Under your grand philosophy, let's also make alcohol and auto manufacturers responsible for people killed by drunk drivers. Food producers or manufacturers of forks accountable for obesity. A gun is just s tool, it's the person who uses it that's responsible. There are over 300 million legally owned firearms in the United States, trillions rounds of ammo. The percentage of people who die from gunfire is lower those killed by drunk drivers. So it's time to use the existing laws on the books, enforce them. Deal with mental health issues.

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      5 years ago

      Biman
      How exactly would the vegas shooter have been stopped.
      Using your plan?
      He wasn't on anyone's radar as mentally ill.
      Far from it.
      Successful high stakes gambler, owned multiple properties.
      Seems he had a good life.
      I haven't heard anyone explain his
      ' motivation '
      It hit me because I had planned to be in vegas that same day.
      Not for country music, but the i heart music festival.
      Plans changed.
      Point is, I could have been there.
      It could have been the target, instead.
      How is that OK with you?
      There's a problem in the US with guns.
      Why is that hard to understand.

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  • Sunshinegirl
    6 years ago

    Blaming gun manufacturers for murder is like blaming airplane manufacturers for the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001.

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  • Aethylfritha
    6 years ago

    Its too late for that now.

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  • Bonelessbananas69
    6 years ago

    I 100% agree with you.

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  • johnathanfatsie
    6 years ago

    The person accountable is the one who committed the violent act. You wouldn't blame a car seller for car crash's would you?

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  • lonewolf1253
    6 years ago

    Of course. Just like if you set yourself on fire with gasoline. Why are they selling such a dangerous, flammable substance to the general public? Even minors can buy it! Sue them all and put them out of business. You can walk, can you not?

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    • Checkmate_King
      6 years ago

      SAVE the CHILLUNS!

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    • TerriAngel
      6 years ago

      Ok, now.
      How many people have been killed by gasoline fires this year?specifically fires started by 1 person.
      Following your logic why not sell sticks of dynamite at walmart.
      It's easy to be coy and flippant about an issue.
      But, the dead kids are lucky.
      How would you like to the parent of one of the wounded.
      Shot in the spine.
      Crippled for life.
      Who pays the medical bills?
      Just oh well tough luck, right.

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      • Checkmate_King
        6 years ago

        Paid political shill. stfu

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      • lonewolf1253
        6 years ago

        Guns don't kill. Criminals and mentally ill assholes kill. I own many guns, as do most people in Northern Michigan. We don't kill people with them. More people die in Chicago in one weekend from guns. Illegal guns in the hands of criminals. If more law abiding people were able to carry guns, these deaths at schools could be prevented.

        I'm neither coy nor flippant. If the feds want my guns, they can pry them from my cold dead hands!

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        • TerriAngel
          5 years ago

          Do you find it nessesary to own a bump stop?
          An assault rifle?
          12,000 rounds of ammunition?
          My arguement is not with you.
          If your child, niece, etc is killed by some crackhead with a 9.
          Don't you want someone to be held accountable?

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        • factcheck
          6 years ago

          Chicago is an easy drive from both Wisconsin and Indiana, two of the easiest states in the country to buy a gun. There's where the guns, purchased legally, are coming from. More people carrying guns means more deaths. Always.

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          • lonewolf1253
            6 years ago

            Write your congressman. You'll never change my mind so you may as well try there. I'm a gun collector as well as a licensed dealer so your wasting your time talking to me about gun control.

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  • curious-bunny
    6 years ago

    Look I know you didn't bring up gun control but you brought up accountability. How would you feel if you made cars for a living and any time someone got drunk and drove and caused damage to property or people that you were held accountable over it when all your part involved is it's something you mass make and sell. It would be shitty. Bow towards having more gun control won't help either cause then the healthy minded civilians will be unarmed for when the mentally ill one comes in with a loaded gun wich will make it easier for them. It's easy to get a gun illegally. Heck there pretty simple to make especially with today's technology. Bullets are even easier yo make so all it does is make it easier for the criminals in every way

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    • TerriAngel
      6 years ago

      Following your logic.
      Gun control doesn't work.
      So why bother at all?
      Just issue each person.
      Citizen or not an M16 for their 18th birthday.
      Well all be safe then.
      Knowone will shoot, cause everyone is armed.
      Hole in your theory.
      There's a reason we don't want ISIS OR N. Korea to have nukes.
      Their crazy enough to use them.
      Kinda deletes your argument.

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      • curious-bunny
        6 years ago

        I get your point but I'm stating more gun control is pointless not less.

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      • Hateful1
        6 years ago

        Up until 2001 Switzerland literally had a gun in every home.
        Most Swiss start shooting at the age of twelve. Sharpshooting is a sport, even for kids. The Swiss fire an average of 75 million rounds a year.

        All males are compulsory conscripts usually given orders at 18. Women can volunteer. All soldiers must keep and maintain their own equipment at home. All citizens can register with the government and own up to three guns. Only military ammo must be stored in a local military armory for non-soldiers.

        Homicides involving guns for 2015 was 0.21 per 100,000 people. Population was 8,350,864 so that's 185 death in 2015. The Swiss claim that education and responsibility are the reasons for the low crime rate.

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      • Checkmate_King
        6 years ago

        paid political troll. stfu

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  • barstool
    6 years ago

    And they should just close the schools down.

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  • pendletonGibbs
    6 years ago

    All the time spent debating gun control could be spent on something more useful like abortion. Why wait 16 years just to die in high school

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  • TerriAngel
    6 years ago

    Thank you to everyone for your feedback.
    It gives me somethings to consider.
    I don't have all the answers.
    I'm trying to find solutions.
    Not just school shootings either.
    The mall, the movie theatre, a concert.
    I want my family to be free and safe.

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    • Checkmate_King
      6 years ago

      If you want to be free and safe, get trained in the use for defense of firearms, buy one, practice with it, carry it always. There is NO other way. When you need help and seconds count,cops will be minutes away.

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      • TerriAngel
        6 years ago

        Really, that's your solution.
        Let's say I do that.
        Concealed carry, everywhere I go.
        My relatives in Jr high, high school or universities.
        My family members who are scattered all over the U.S.
        They may not all be willing or able to be packing 24/7.
        So, if they get shot it's ok.
        Because I remained safe?
        Sorry, I think about someone other than myself.

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        • Checkmate_King
          6 years ago

          repeating lies and propaganda is no way to go through life, sister

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