Is it normal i think the animals in shelters should be let out...

Animals in pounds and even shelters have limited funds. We have a lot of animals we just can not take care of and it costs a lot to take care of a animal. I think to solve this they should let all the animals they have on death row out into the woods or Forrest. It will save the people housing these animals a lot of money and many of these animals if left to the wild will adapt. To abandon a animal in a city makes them helpless and at our mercy. If you let them go in the wild you are setting them into a more natural environment.

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  • No it is not normal, nor is it humane.

    Domestic animals can't adapt to wild conditions; not after millennia of breeding natural aggression out of them. Most would become diseased, starve to death, or be eating by actual wild animals; and they would live their last days in abject terror. Others would become a nuisance amongst humans who live rurally and would loose the respect they have gained in some societies as pets. That would lead to a decay in attitudes towards them and greater mistreatment.

    Yes, your version of how it would be is very idyllic, but it is not very logical or realistic.

    Animal shelters would be better off if people started being more responsible with their pets and have them spayed or neutered.

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    • Actually they studied this and said that most cats and dogs will revert to natural instinct if people left. Also your idea is not realistic either since they have a lot of illegal breeding that they can never seem to catch all of them. I adopted sick dogs once they were always vomiting and sick and it cost us a fortune. So the spay and nuder is not a perfect plan either.

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  • dom180

    No. Introducing new species or subspecies into the wild at once in large numbers often screws up the ecosystem. It's just passing on the problem. Yes some of the animals you release might not be killed by wild animals, but if they survive they'll impact on the natural order of the ecosystem. You'll just create more problems by releasing sheltered animals.

    Sheltered dogs do not know how to hunt because as puppies they were never taught. Their innate drive can only take them so far and a lot of them would just slowly starve. That's not humane at all.

    I don't like the fact that those animals that are not adopted are often killed. It isn't fair. But releasing them does not deal with the problem without creating more problems which we can't deal with. For that reason it would not be a long term solution.

    We're talking about a wider issue of morality here too. There are real terms for this which I don't remember, but I think that people tend to feel innately less responsible for something bad if it happens from their inaction as opposed to their action. If you take the inaction of allowing sheltered animals to take care of themselves you will feel less responsible when they inevitably die than you would if they were killed humanely in captivity. In reality there is no difference between the outcomes, but you naturally favour the inaction over the action because it reduces your feelings of involvement and thereby your guilt.

    What to do with sheltered animals that will never be adopted is one of those problems without an easy solution, I'm afraid. What can be done by governments to lessen the problem in the future is:

    1) Control the sale of young animals (puppies and kittens etc.) bred for profit from professional breeders by taxing them very highly so the price at sale of the animal to the consumer must be raised, thus incentivising the pet buyer into choosing to adopt an animal from a shelter which could be on sale for much cheaper. Thus more animals are adopted from adoption shelters reducing the sheltered population.

    2) More rigorous guidelines for assessing people wanting to own an animal. Before my family adopted a dog from a shelter (costing us around £100) we had to have our home assessed by an inspector for safety. I think if animals bought from private breeders were also subjected to mandatory inspection and proof that they could afford to take care of the animal financially. The cost of this inspection would be expensive to the government, but subsidised by the taxation of privately bred animals. Thus less animals are given to shelters by ensuring the owners can take care of them.

    3) Heavily subsidise private no-kill animal shelters. At the moment most of them rely on charity donations and the money raised from sale of animals. This means one of two things: either the price of animals from NKSs increases to keep up with cost meaning less animals are moved on or the shelter fails because the cost of feeding and keeping the animals is too high, in which case the animals musty be put down anyway. Subsidising NKSs will incentivise other shelters to adopt the "no-kill" philosophy and stop them from failing.

    All of those things require more money and new taxes, which makes them difficult to start with. They also require governments to take action and avoid inaction, which makes them very difficult again. People who have the power to make change often decide to ignore and avoid making the difficult decisions.

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  • dappled

    You can't domesticate an animal to suit your own needs and then completely absolve yourself of responsibility when it turns out you then have to look after them.

    If there are more animals than there are owners then we responsibly look after the animals we have and make sure they don't reproduce to a point where the problem persists.

    I've used derivatives of the word responsible twice, but it really about accepting responsibility. I know it's easier to just dispose of a problem but take that to its logical conclusion and that's not the kind of world anyone would want to live in.

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    • Well looking at how it is going and the fact they can not completely stop the underground puppy mills. I see no other solution that is plausible. You think animals are here to please us?

      If anything a animal is food nothing more. If I had pets I would love them as though they are my child but the fact is we can not house all the animals made.

      The responsibility is too great. We need do something more reasonable. Another thought maybe stop allowing pet shops to sell pets that way people are forced to go to the shelters.

      Animals are left into the wild all the time. Many animals when made captive will run away and reject the home given since they no matter what want to be free. I had pets that I saved from the street and some of them still left no matter how well they were treated .

      We domesticated these animals yes. The fact remains they are still wild animals at heart. They have outbursts and sometimes attack human following basic instincts they have in them. They are not compatible with humans. Yet they help us and we use them.

      We have damned them to being our prisoners. We set it up to so they can never leave. For the people who can house them fine. For the animals they are going to kill at the pound anyways. I think we need to let the animals go. If we are just going to kill them and not eat them just for reasons we can not house them. It seems kinder to let them go.

      We love animals. We want to cuddle them and play with them. Why do we love them so much? Other than the fact they are food they can not talk to us. They are small and vulnerable and cute. They follow us and comfort us. They are much like a child before they grow up.

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      • dappled

        You make so many different points, I don't really know where to start. The one which stood out for me, I suppose, is that you compared them to small children but also said the responsibility is too great (even though the responsibility is largely only financial).

        The other point I'll pick up on is that you asked me if animals are here to please us. No, they're not here to please us, but they often do.

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        • VioletTrees

          Technically, dogs and cats sort of are here to please us, in the sense that both have been bred for over ten thousand years to fit our needs and desires, which is why they're not really fit to live in the wild. I mentioned in another thread on this post that I used to work at a no-cage no-kill cat shelter, and the cats that had been abandoned in woods or rural areas were brought in in really bad shape. There were so many one eyed cats that I'd sometimes get them mixed up.

          That said, they're still deserving of some basic rights, such as food, shelter, and inoculation. Since we bred them to the point where they can't live well in the wild, we're responsible for their welfare. Releasing them into the woods would be an excruciating death sentence for most.

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          • Yes but if we can not provide it the things die! So we are just killing them when they are no use to us and what does that solve?

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            • VioletTrees

              Again, I'm not arguing for euthanasia.

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          • dappled

            I'm not sure I worded my reply properly and I should have been more careful because I wondered if the "Are animals here to please us?" question was a trap.

            What I meant is that animals in general aren't put on this planet for the benefit of man, but that they often do benefit man.

            It's a less clear distinction if I said something about domesticated animals being here to please us because they've been bred to our "specification" and so, ideologically, they "as a group" are here to please us, but I still believe individually it's not the right of a human to expect an individual animal to please them or, to put it according to the Bible, I don't think humans have dominion over animals. Or, if they do, they shouldn't.

            It's something that really sticks in my craw for a number of reasons.

            Aside from that, though, you and I are in agreement, as we generally are.

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            • VioletTrees

              I agree that it's usually destructive to think of animals as being "here to please us" or "under our dominion". However, I think that we have responsibility over domestic animals because we've bred them to the point where they're dependent on us.

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        • You say its financial and that’s my point. It is too much money unlike people a pet can not pay its way.People after a amount of years are generally encouraged to leave home from families and live on their own.

          They do please us yes. They are sweet and cute. They are adorable and soft and they are good source of food.

          Most of them that we can not place in a home we kill and this is very Unnescary.

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          • VioletTrees

            Most pets don't live as long as kids. Kids might leave around age 18, but by that age, most cats are dead. There are pets that people need to reconsider, though, such as some tortoises and parrots, because they can easily outlive their owners. Actually, I'm not really into people keeping parrots as pets anyway, since they seem to require more entertainment than most people can provide, but I'm not a parrot expert.

            There's a big problem with people buying rabbits because they think they'll live a couple years or so, like a hamster, but they actually live around 10 years.

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      • VioletTrees

        They aren't wild animals "at heart". Centuries of breeding has changed them neurologically. Yes, they sometimes attack humans, but it's not because they have some basic instinct to attack people. It can happen for a variety of reasons, such as fear or stress, misinterpreted body language (humans don't have the same body language as other animals, but it's very easy to learn other animals' body language), taunting on the part of the human, not understanding that humans can't participate in the same kind of play that the animal can, or abusive owners. It's not because they're secretly wild animals who've been waiting to strike. In fact, not all wild animals are aggressive.

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        • Also I will say once more animals in the pounds are killed when not adopted. So I think its kinder to let the ones they have on death row go into the wild where at least some of them might survive catching prey on their own. I just thinking it will save a lot of animals since we kill so many. Also if a animal attacks it is often put down. In order to save the animal even if the person is at fault they must go to court. Another injustice to animals.

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          • VioletTrees

            What about the prey animals? Cats and dogs can be extremely destructive to small mammal and bird populations, which can have a wider environmental effect. You can't just introduce new predators into the wild without consequences.

            No, I don't think euthanising stray animals is the best solution, but your solution wouldn't work. At best, you'd be giving the animals a slow, painful death. At worst, you'd be causing widespread environmental harm and the extinction of species.

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            • I do not think it will make much of a difference since they have coyote , fox , wolves ,bears. The reason a animal disrupts a eco system too greatly is often due to it over populating or eating all the prey and destroying the native population. So Since we have coyotes and wolves which is an ancestor of dogs that’s not going to make much of a difference. Foxes are the ancestor to cats which surprises most people. So adding a few cats or dogs is not going to displace a lot. Also if you watch the video “Life after humans” It says how if we let out all the dogs into the wild they will evolve and blend and breed with wolves and coyotes. If you think about it a Dog is just a domestic wolf. A cat is like a domestic lion or lynx. “Nature be as nature will”

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        • Actually many times it them doing something they would do naturally and they do not understand it hurts humans. Like when that tiger grabbed its tamer by the neck and they did it in a way they would grab a cub. Cats tend to nibble when they are weaned to early. They start to stroke with the claws which will not hurt other animals but hurts people sometimes. A animal brings people dead birds and prey they catch since in the wild they do that for the Alpha.

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          • VioletTrees

            Oh, if we're talking about tigers, that's a bit of a different issue. There are more tigers kept as pets in the US alone than there are worldwide in the wild. But we can't release them in the wild, because they can't be allowed to breed with the wild tiger population, as they're often very inbred.

            Also, cats don't do that for alphas. They do it for kittens. So, you know, there's that. Don't apply dog behaviours to all animals. You're seriously oversimplifying animal behaviour in other ways, too. The way domestic dogs and cats act is very, very different from wild animals.

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            • They let tigers into the wild all the time its called a zoo. Zoos after awhile let some of the animals they have go back into the wild so that statement is completely false.

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            • Its not if you know anything about training a dog. Dog follow packs and this is the way you train them. You have to be the Alpha and the "Head dog" in the wolves eyes. The humans it lives with is its pack. Much like the pack of wolves has different positions of authority. This is things told to us from actual dog trainers. One dog trainer from the show "Dog whisperer" Tells us this in his show. He is a professional dog trainer.

              You still are thinking like a human. I am telling you to see it from the another point of view. I am for animal rights and protection and I have thought of a plan to save them and yet you are going to say no? So please do tell me a better way to save these animals? Tell me how to stop the shelters from killing? You must have all the answers.

              So far none of you have thought of a better solution to the problem. I thought of something that is very cost efficient and not harming the animals and giving them a second chance at life. I want them to live. I do not like knowing these poor animals are suffering. Tell me a better solution and I might side but until that point what else are we going to do to fix this? Nothing else will fix the suffering.

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  • VioletTrees

    Other people have talked about how inhumane this is in terms of quality of life for the stray animals, so let's talk about practicality now.

    There are about 600 million stray and homeless dogs in the world. Let's assume that there's about the same number of stray cats (if anything, I think there are probably more stray cats than stray dogs in the world, but it seems to be impossible to find a number on how many stray cats there are). If we give each cat and dog an average territory of 1000 square meters (a reasonable size for a lot with a small house, but a very small size for the territory of a wild dog), we need 1,200,000 square kilometers of forest, over twice the area of France.

    Now, we can't release our animals in just any forest. We have to make sure that the forests we choose are reasonably hospitable and don't have any threatened birds or small mammals, because cats and dogs can drive these prey animals to extinction.

    Only, as far as I can tell, there is no such place. If you haven't noticed, we're not dealing with an overabundance of forest habitat on our planet. We have far less forest than we used to, and what we have left is occupied my its natural inhabitants. Putting stray domestic animals there would displace the animals who already live there. I appreciate that you want to help animals, but what you're suggesting would be highly destructive.

    Fortunately, there are programs to spay and neuter stray animals, as well as no cage/no kill shelters.

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    • They have plenty of places. You are missing the point for letting the animals into the wild. Let nature be as it will. They will survive. As I stated neutering is not helping with the illegal puppy mills.

      Also many forest have large predators as dogs or large cats or bears. The cats will live off of birds and the dogs will live off the cats and other small rodents.

      If too many of the small animals die the larger predator will die and the smaller animals population will increase. After the population of the small animals go up than so will the larger predators.

      This is the laws of nature. We have to face the facts animals are more natural than us. We have a lot of Forrest. I will say let them out in places like ALASKA.

      Places like ALASKA has a low amount of people living there since the harsh conditions. Many dogs and cats are made for cold conditions and would adapt very well in places like that with a lot of Forrest.

      Cats can even eat dead fish the bears leave since the bears only eat the fat and leave the rest of the fish.

      So if you look at everything this is the best possible solution. You think these animals can not fend for themselves so we have to kill them.

      Yes some shelters do not kill but some can not afford to stay open which is very sad. This will fix a lot of things. This will create less animals abuse.

      Also if a dog is too damaged to become a pet we kill it. Now why do we not put it in the Forrest so it can kill rabbits.

      Now I do love animals but Nature has to be as nature is. If we have pets we take care of them. For the rest of the animals we can not turn into pets we must let them go and catch rabbits ,rats, and snakes.

      This will save many animals. In some shelters that can not afford to inject the animals to kill them they gas them all in a very small confined space. I want the killing to end. We are the ones killing them and this is not for food. If we are not going to eat them we have no reason to kill.

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      • VioletTrees

        There's a term for sending cats and dogs to live with bears. It's called "feeding the bears".

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        • Also considering how big a bear is they are not going to have a lot of bears in one area. Big predators need a lot of prey so they do not have a lot of big predators in one area.

          They will have 100 pray to outnumber 30 predators. If they have to many predators the prey go’s down. At this point you have less predators so prey go’s up.

          This is a never ending self regulating cycle. Humans broke this cycle when we figured out medical science. We can not stop over population in humans.

          We can stop the over population in animals if we let nature be as it must. This is not abuse. It is abuse killing the animals they can not make pets.

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        • Not very true. Depending on how many bears are living in the area there might still be a large population. Also bears eat a lot of fish as main diet.

          The gutted fish without fat is going to have a lot of meat left on it which the cat can eat and they can also scavenge rodents which many domestic cats already do.

          Also the population will be regulating themselves if we leave them in the wild which will fix the problem of them reproducing since the strongest will survive.

          Cats climb trees and hide to get away from predators and we have many trees and many forests that are protected. Why not use it to our advantage by saving the homeless pets?

          Nature is meant to regulate population on its own. You are looking from a persons standpoint and I see it from a animals view. We should not expect them to live like us. They are not us. Sure a pet is dandy of course.

          For the rest we need to let nature be as nature is. Let the animals in the shelter run wild they will be free and happy and most of the dogs will interbreed with the wolves to make a new hybrid. The cats will evolve to survive better in the Forrest.

          Nature will be at peace and no more dead animals. The answer is simple but no one think its going to work. The term shelter is misleading. It is leaving these animals crippled. I only want to let the animals free.

          People who keep pets can keep them. For the animals we put on death row we need to let them be. LET FREE THE DEATH ROW ANIMALS. This it the answer to all the problems and I have given many example. Also this is demonstrated on “Life after people” A documentary saying what would happen to the animals after we leave.

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      • VioletTrees

        Wait, are you suggesting that we release the animals without spaying and neutering them first?

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        • Also after releasing the sheltered not adopted pets I think we should put a cage between community and the forest so they do not bother the humans.

          This will assure the animals live freely and happy in the forest and the wild and the pets that we can find homes for will live happy with a owner.

          I do not like killing animals for stupid reasons. This is a truly pointless one.

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  • Unicron

    So you're saying that a domestic animal who is given food, water, shelter, and vet care should suddenly get kicked out to fend for itself? You think they are better off either getting killed by wild animals (or each other), starving, freezing and coming down with illnesses rather than being humanely euthanized?

    Not to mention the massive number of them, it will strain the population of native animals through over hunting or competition.

    These animals will likely escape from said woods or forest and make it back to civilization in no time, which will be a danger to people and their pets due to attacks and possible diseases.

    I think it's a terrible idea.

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  • sega31098

    Unfortunately, we have made many domestic animals like dogs dependent on humans. If they were let out of the shelters, they would become feral. Stray dogs are scavengers and there's nothing for them to hunt. Even if there was, humanity's domestication made them lose the ability to hunt for themselves. Mothers teach the young to hunt, and being that through generations we have pampered them with kibbles and such, they no longer need it. The same applies to other domestic animals.

    Stray dogs are a threat to societies, especially in Asia and Eastern Europe. They can be very violent and kill people and other animals. They are also frequent carriers of diseases since they scavenge through trashbins.

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  • Through the jungles wild and free...

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  • http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_After_People

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