Is it normal that i hate forced tolerance, respect, etc.?

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I have always loved to analyze the world around me, the people, how they behave, etc. And recently I've witnessed that a lot of people tend to force tolerance and respect onto kids, young adults, and everyone else.

I am sick of those people, and sick of everyone who supports this. Among all the reasons why I feel this way I can name a few:

First of all, the people who do support this usually don't care about moral values at all, and don't really care for tolerance or any form of humane act. They usually do this to present them as good people, and to paint a better social image of themselves. They usually do good deeds and act as if they support these ideals in order to ''look better'' to the audience. I hate these people, but as time goes on, I've started to realize more and more people are like this. I'm afraid I might end up hating everyone in a matter of years...

Secondly, forcing someone to respect someone else is idiocy in my opinion. I believe respect is something you earn. You can't force people to respect you or your opinion. I feel like people are trying to force everyone into respecting everyone in order to produce a better community. But they fail to realize that humans are smart, and all that is happening is lies. People end up lying about respecting others, and just nod their head, say "I agree" and then proceed to doing whatever they please. All this results in is having the other guy feel shattered afterwards.

Third, I am sick of everyone who goes all batshit insane and butthurt over people who enjoy racist/sexist/homophobe humor. Why people get offended by humor is beyond me.

Additionally, these people who try their hardest to look tolerant and all-respectful often contradict themselves and just ignore that. They usually call me ignorant because they're supposedly on a "higher level" of tolerance and whatnot, than I am. And fail to see how ignorantly they behave when for instance someone openly expresses their support for homosexuals, and afterwards, honestly says that they find homosexuals weird and unnatural, but that they support gay rights in either case - as all humans should have equal rights. And afterwards these self proclaimed activists and "good people" who call me ignorant for criticizing them, go as far to deny every support the mentioned people have shown towards homosexuals, and automatically call them homophobes or gay haters because of what they HONESTLY FEEL. It makes me sick to know people are so close minded and brainwashed to function under a pattern like machines. The worst part of this is, that they actually believe they're tolerant of all views and all thoughts, but in reality they are not, and they function under a certain pattern just to "look good" to the public.

I am disgusted by these people, and forced tolerance, respect and other democratic values which produce this sort of thing.

Is my view normal?

EDIT: I completely forgot some people are way too sensitive and might perceive this as some sort of "I hate democrats" or "I hate respect and tolerance" post. I don't I just hate people who force and who accept forced tolerance, but usually don't agree with it. I hate the people who act like they're tolerant but they're not, and they just do it for the sake of looking good.

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anti-hero

11 years ago

I tolarate everyone, I respect few.

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- somebody23
  
  11 years ago
  
  agreed
  
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- [Old Memory]
  
  11 years ago
  
  I respect everyone, I tolarate few.
  
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  - anti-hero
    
    11 years ago
    
    How can you respect someone without tolarating them?
    
    Let the long discussion begin...
    
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    - [Old Memory]
      
      11 years ago
      
      Easily.
      
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        11 years ago
        
        Care to explain? (I get the gag there ^ by the way, very nice.)
        
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        [Old Memory]
        
        11 years ago
        
        I think everyone is a great person in their own way, but not if they're standing infront of me.
        
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- rekltalni
  
  11 years ago
  
  agree with this as long as you dont do it in order to "look good" rather than what you actually believe in.
  
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  - anti-hero
    
    11 years ago
    
    No I actually tolarate all, by that I mean I don't kill them on general principal. Like child molesters I hate them but I allow them to live on my planet because I don't wanna go to prison.
    
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    - rekltalni
      
      11 years ago
      
      cool. thanks for the reply
      
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jondoerandom

11 years ago

You got a point, I love racist/sexist jokes. But everybody knows that on the serious level i don't discriminate and certainly don't hate anyone just because they're different.

So it does piss me off sometimes when people feel this idiotic "racial" guilt (white people syndrom). I'm white, I'm proud of my blood and heritage. I also have black and asian friends and they feel the same.

I just think that it's 21st century already, time to get over that political correctness crap.

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- rekltalni
  
  11 years ago
  
  Thank you for your reply.
  
  I am glad someone shares my views. I personally believe that political correctness is ruining all forms of art&entertainment including jokes, tv, etc.
  
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  - jondoerandom
    
    11 years ago
    
    For sure, man. It's hard not to share your views on this, since it's in your face all the time.
    
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wigsplitz

11 years ago

Who gives a shit? Do whatever you feel like, act how ever the fuck you want, and nevermind everyone else or why they do what they do. Also, don't complain when you're disrespected and treated like shit in turn.

Wait until you have kids, your ideas will change.

There's a time and place for everything. You wouldn't upper-deck your grandma, would you? Probably not. But why not? It's sooooo funny!! Perfect example of 'time and a place for everything' and why people act a certain way towards or around certain people. Grandma wouldn't find it funny. The time and place for an upper-deck is Taco Bell or a gas station bathroom. Everyone knows that.

As for church-goers, well...many are there for self-serving reasons. But so what, really? WHy let it affect you? It's for a bundle of show, guilt, for friends, for a place to go, etc. All-around self-serving (for some). But who cares? And you don't know who's there for what, some are sincere. So just nevermind them. Is it hurting you any?

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- Anonymous Post Author
  
  11 years ago
  
  This can cause severe emotional and mental suffering. Additionally if everyone was "fake" there would be global confusion and hypocrisy all over the world. Governments would be telling you one thing while doing the other. People would fool you into buying things you don't want to. You'd be forced to operate under a certain way you didn't want...oh wait
  
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  - RomeoDeMontague
    
    10 years ago
    
    You are wrong. You do not earn respect. You can be the most polite and respectable person on earth. You can do good for everyone and people will just spit on you.
    
    We should be taught to have some basic respect for each other. However being an overall jerk and than doing something like give to charity does not make you a good person.
    
    You are assuming simply being a respectful decent person will earn you respect. Some people are just disrespectful to everyone and you cant really change them.
    
    You think that mentally handicapped child deserves to be picked on simply for being handicapped? No, but kids still laugh at them in school because they don't learn or act like the rest of us.
    
    Now is it that child's fault they were born handicapped? No, but people still pick on them since they think its funny. Now that child might not have earned any disrespect but are simply being treated like shit for being handicapped. Do you think they earned this by being born handicapped?
    
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Captain_Kegstand

11 years ago

Are you racist or homophobic yourself?

1) I had an ex girlfriend who's mother "all of the sudden" found Jesus and became an active member of the Catholic church. This pissed me off, because I know for a fact that it was all for show, because it would raise her "standing" within the community". So I understand that just acting anything out means nothing in the end.

2)I believe that everybody deserves a certain level of respect as a human being, until they prove otherwise.

3)I am not racist, homophobic, or sexist, but i'll be damned if I am going to pass up the opportunity to laugh at a good joke, regardless of content.

Additionally, if these people are going to go on to bash the people they showed support too, or deny the support when heat comes their way, they are just as bad as the people that open about their racism/homophobia/sexism.

Edit, I believe that the world would be a better place if everybody was not tolerant, but genuinely respected people of all races, sexual preference, and gender. This cannot happen by force, but by education on the topic.

Sorry for copying your format, it just seemed the easiest way to answer all of the different questions/opinions that were presented in the argument.

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- rekltalni
  
  11 years ago
  
  0) not at all.
  
  1) yup
  
  2) I agree people should be acknowledged for being humans but it's in my opinion absurd to respect them for something you accomplish when you get born.. Perhaps "respect" in itself is a wider term than I thought at first, and you're right. But I still would think that you shouldn't respect someone for having an opinion if you don't agree with it - FOR AN EXAMPLE.
  
  3)heheh yeah.
  
  4) Agreed completely!
  
  5)I couldn't agree more for your edit. Thanks for sharing your thoughts with us!
  
  It's okay for copying my format, its not like its copyrighted haha dont worry man
  
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howaminotmyself

11 years ago

Why would you encourage intolerance?

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- rekltalni
  
  11 years ago
  
  I am not. I'm just saying that people shouldn't encourage fake tolerance because it's worse than intolerance alone.
  
  Additionally please take your time to read posts before replying you might miss out on something like you have now ;)
  
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  - wigsplitz
    
    11 years ago
    
    So when your kid is walking beside you down the street and says 'Mom, Dad, look at that ugly brown person!!', do you kneel down beside him and say 'No, son, that's what we call a nigger'...?
    
    Or 'Mom, Dad, look at that person with one arm!!'...'Son, that's what we call a gimp. Get it straight.'
    
    Just wondering. Because it seems like anything else you could say would be 'forcing tolerance and respect' and would be wrong according to you. It would be 'fake'.
    
    I bet if you tell nigger jokes at home, you personally wouldn't dare call a random black person on the street a nigger. So, you're fake. Practice what you preach. Next time you see a nigger, call them a nigger.
    
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    - rekltalni
      
      11 years ago
      
      What's with all the rage, honey? Control your emotions and learn to read text completely.
      
      That's not the case at all, quite frankly it's really far from it. You clearly don't understand that there's a fine line between respect and disrespect as well as between tolerance and intolerance called INDIFFERENCE.
      
      I'm not supporting the idea of people disrespecting others by default and respecting them after "getting to know them" or whatever. I am just trying to say how certain people are quite biased when saying stuff like..hmm..."Don't judge me if you don't know me!" or "Respect me because I am a living breathing human". That sort of thing seems forced. First of all you judge people based on the material they provide you with, and secondly you don't respect anyone for achieving basically nothing at all. You feel indifferent for them until they show you how to act towards them.
      
      I am against the media and too many social activist groups trying to tease out some forced and fake tolerance and respect among people as a routine. You shouldn't call someone intelligent or beautiful when they're not. Instead just be polite and refrain yourself from making foul comments and stay indifferent.
      
      In any case the thing I'm refering to is that forced respect towards people is fake and you're basically lying. People are being forced to lie in a way trough political correctness and this sort of respect & tolerance. Instead I believe people should teach others NOT to disrespect and NOT to be intolerant. Perhaps tolerance is all black and white in this case, but respect is not, as there is, like i've mentioned, a big field of indifference.
      
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      - wigsplitz
        
        11 years ago
        
        Blah, blah, blah I understood all of it. You contradict yourself too much for any of this to be valid. You're just as fake, judgemental and intolerant as you accuse others of being, and also have no concept of the fact that there is plenty of genuine people around.
        
        Who cares if people are respectful for whatever reason? That's like saying people who donate to charity are all self serving jerks so therefore charity should be banned. In the end, does it really matter WHY they were charitable or respectful? No, it doesn't.
        
        So what if some people just do it for show? Who honestly gives a FUCK? You can still have a brain and think whatever you want to think and maintain a level of respect.
        
        Some people, like you I'm sure, wouldn't say the shit you say behind closed doors, like fag, nigger or spic to any of those people's faces. So, you disrespect them in private but not in public. That's two-faced and a bitch move. You're down with disrespecting people but not directly, just behind their backs. Yeah, that's WAY better than all these other people you dis for being 'fake'. Get over yourself.
        
        Anyway, you don't know who is genuine and who isn't and you only seem to be aware of or notice the negatives, so perhaps you need to meet new people that aren't pure garbage and not assume everyone is like you, a two-faced, judgemental, intolerant pussy.
        
        Acting respectful is different than having respect for someone, I get it. Having true respect for someone is a deeper and more personal thing. Acting respectful is what most people do to some extent anyway-whether it's have to, want to, truly care, whatever. Like using the toilet.....sure you don't HAVE to use a toilet, and someone trained you to do it, but it just makes things go better for all involved.
        
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        rekltalni
        
        11 years ago
        
        I stopped reading at "blah blah blah" as I've assumed you're an asshole who isn't open minded towards things. Just go away if you're not going to give constructive replies and if you're going to mix apples and oranges like that.
        
        In any case, judging doesn't reflect your personality nor mean that you're intolerant or whatever. Judging is essentially assuming one thing about the person THANKS TO WHAT THE PERSON provided you with. If you show me, like now, that you're an asshole, I will assume you are an asshole. If you feel bad about this, you're the one to blame, not me for being "judgmental". You're the one who presented yourself in such way.
        
        In either case this is exactly what I meant by my post. Im supposed to show you some sort of enormous respect for being a human being now, but instead I chose to be indifferent, up till now where you gave me a reason to either respect or disrespect you. And I will just have to go with disrespect as you're absolutely unable to speak to. And quite rude, I might add.
        
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  - howaminotmyself
    
    11 years ago
    
    How do you know it's fake? Sure, you have seen some examples play out that justify your opinion. But that's easy to do. And by all means, challenge it.
    
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    - rekltalni
      
      11 years ago
      
      You do know it's fake as people don't feel that way at all. It's more of a type of political correctness. In any case, people act it out to look good, not to be tolerant.
      
      Say you know a social activist who happens to support tolerance, respect, equality, etc. etc.
      
      But when you ask them for help they always refuse because "They don't benefit from it". Obviously all the "Help" they're doing is just to look better and paint a better social image of them, instead of really wanting to help people by being some sort of activist.
      
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[Old Memory]

11 years ago

Oooooo, you said respect is earned not givveeeeeen, someone's not going to be favoured by the IIN community, you know, since the majority think you're an asshole if you don't just give respect out to everyone.

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  11 years ago
  
  heheh. Well, I think there's a fine line between respect and disrespect called indifference. IF you don't respect someone it doesn't mean you altogether disrespect them. You can remain indifferent. I hope the IIN community realizes this, as by no means am I trying to say that people should disrespect others.
  
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  - [Old Memory]
    
    11 years ago
    
    That's exactly what I said to them. I said that you don't have to respect someone, but that doesn't mean you should disrespect them, but regardless of me saying that on a few stories a long time ago, they got thumbed down.
    
    There are some that understood what I said, but the majority didn't, which I don't see how they couldn't understand that not respecting someone doesn't equal to disrespecting them.
    
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      11 years ago
      
      Yeah, just further proves my statement about some humans functioning under a pattern and a bunch of lies.
      
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wistfulmaiden

9 years ago

I think of 'tolerance" as "live and let live" not that I necessarily have to like it. Nobody should be forced to say they like a specific behavior or find it acceptable if they don't.

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robbieforgotpw

10 years ago

Your book is too long. I gotta take a dump

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somebody23

11 years ago

I dont like that too,

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[Old Memory]

11 years ago

To hell with tolerance. I have my own opinion on everyone. If I don't like you for WHATEVER reason, I wont tolerate you.

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Paul

11 years ago

Yes, actually, Americans tend to be overly tolerant, which is beautifully illustrated in the movie Borat. Instead of kicking Borat's ass they allow him to make fun of them and insult them.

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fletcherkydude

11 years ago

True respect must be earned.

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bobbert

11 years ago

It is normal, but not always good. Know when you can and can't stand up for yourself. Is that tiny joking comment your boss made really worth standing up and fighting with him to get yourself fired worth it? No. Is it worth it to argue with the police officer because you were speeding because you had to get to that dentist appointment? No. HOWEVER, there is times where you can and should stand up for yourself, like if some stranger pushes you and makes fun of you and flips you off, you can and should/shouldn't (it's pretty subjective) fight back. When you stand up in situations like this you not only feel better yourself for not just letting them walk away, but it is likely that they don't do that to someone else next time, and it encourages other people to not tolerate that kind of thing. Also those stupid acts like SOPA you should protest against. Whether or not you go as far as breaking the law to defend what's right is really your choice and whether that is the proper action or not is an opinion. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE don't get cocky and rebellious over stupid things. Know your place and what's worth standing up against.

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TooPure

11 years ago

You better start loving it rebel. The harder you fight, the harder you will start to see the right and wrong.

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[Old Memory]

11 years ago

If its politicial correctness and the whole ridiculous idea that everyone was created equal then I wholly and completely understand what you are talking about.

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- rekltalni
  
  11 years ago
  
  Precisely that and forcing people to believe this trough being ''nice to them'' when actually you dont care. Those two problems are the reason I've asked the question.
  
  You have understood the first one, as for the second one - i dislike it when people for instance do some sort of social activism but they dont really care, instead they're doing it to be appreciated and loved. If you were a homosexual and encountered one of these people they would just tell you to f#ck yourself or just ignore you politely because they dont care.
  
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  - rekltalni
    
    11 years ago
    
    lol to make things straight im not a homosexual. its just an example. I do have a friend who is like this as she does all sort of activism and supposedly runs around teaching kids about dangers of sex, how its important to be polite all the time, and everything to being a nice person. But when you ask her a question, or anyone else does, she usually goes all capitalist on you and says something like: Fuck you, who are you to ask for my help? Why should I help you and lose time?
    
    And then she just goes around listening to people that dont really know her talking about how she's a wonderful person for doing whatever... This fact gets on my nerves and this sort of forced out ''kindness'' is what I hate.
    
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dom180

11 years ago

The only people who demand respect are the people who can't earn it and are too arrogant to accept that what they do is not respect-worthy. No-one who demands respect ever receives it; what they receive is fake and put-on. An ego-stroking.

And an ego-stroking literally means a self-stroking. You can make your own masturbation joke about that.

Tolerance is another matter entirely. You talk about how there is a line of indifference between respect and disrespect; surely that line could equally be thought of as a line of tolerance? You should tolerate anyone who isn't hurting anyone else. While forcing tolerance isn't any more productive in terms of making people tolerant than forcing respect is at creating actual respect, it is understandable and moral.

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  11 years ago
  
  It's too late to edit, so I'll continue here. I think what you are filled with is a sense of healthy scepticism. It's a good thing, so long as it doesn't leave you cold and hateful. You take a sense of scepticism further than I do, but I'm not going to say you're definitely wrong.
  
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  - Anonymous Post Author
    
    11 years ago
    
    hm. so waht you're saying is you agree with the respect part but not with tolerance? If so I can see where you're coming from. I do agree, I might've wrote this too quickly...tolerance's "line of indifference" could be the area of tolerance where you tolerate other people in a way that you wouldn't do anything wrong to them or deprive them of their rights on purpose. That's what I mean anyway.
    
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[Old Memory]

11 years ago

I'm reading these comments and am amazed. These people don't understand that to not respect someone doesn't mean that you want to, should, or like disrespecting people.

I am truely amazed that the majority of users that commented here can't realize that.

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- Anonymous Post Author
  
  11 years ago
  
  Sad. isn't it?
  
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    11 years ago
    
    Very.
    
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Justsomejerk

11 years ago

Black lesbians never respect my racist, sexist and homoinsensitive humor.

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  11 years ago
  
  lol!
  
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Finding_Peace_In_A_Mad_World

11 years ago

I say normal. I feel the same way.

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  11 years ago
  
  Thankies!
  
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