Is it normal that is pisses me off that schools waste money?

Teachers and schools are given a lot of money even if they tell us they are so bad off. Some of them are getting fired but we have too many that we do not need.

The schools ask for more money but they have been getting worst test scores every year. Do we really need to give more money to a school that refuses to get results?

They do not know how to manage money if they do not know how to get these children to pass. We need a quality education not quantity .

They always look to cut the sports programs but do they look to maybe fire the teachers and the staff and classes they do not need? Why have 12 teachers teaching Spanish with 15 students each. Why can you not have 5?

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  • dappled

    I work in education and I completely agree with you that we waste money (like health care and government do too) but the need for better test scores is failing everyone. When educational authorities are funded according to their test scores, they seek a lower standard of test so that more people pass and they get more money. My friends work for institutions which set exams and I work for a university. We *know* this happens.

    The problem isn't wastage, poor teaching, or bad students. The problem is a certain brand of capitalism that encourages dishonesty where dishonesty is profitable. This brand of capitalism is failing everyone but I feel especially strongly about it failing students because they're going to have to live with the consequences for longer.

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  • shade_ilmaendu

    Cutting sports? From what I hear, a lot of schools are cutting arts and music programs to pay more for sports.

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    • acidlor

      Definitely. Personally, I believe that both sports and arts are important. It allows the student to find out what they are good at. Not just sports and art, but all clubs in school. In fact, that's where you learn about what your future career might be. Anyway, at my old school, they cut out the Home Economics class, which was a huge deal. They cut out home ec, but then the next year, they gave ipads to all the students. In my mind, that was a stupid move.

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      • This is the type of stuff I am talking about. What a waste!

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      • shade_ilmaendu

        Yeah cut out home ec, the class that's supposed to teach you how to live on your own. Not that my home ec class was very good, mostly just glorified cooking.

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        • We never had that at any of the schools I was at either. All we had was a bakery and it was ran by students who had to serve the teacher but students could not have any.

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    • SangoNyappy

      I actually think cutting sports would be good. I mean how does it help you in your life? If you're fat and don't care you can just stay like that and if you care you can do something about it yourself. It just wastes time and most of teachers are assholes.

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    • No they cut all extra classes. So art, sports, cheer leading and so on. Who cuts off one to save the other? that sounds like favoring some students and attacking the others.

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      • shade_ilmaendu

        Ahh, schools around my area seem to mostly cut into the arts programs. It's a bullshit thing to do, especially with a plethora of studies showing how beneficial extracurricilars are to a student's learning... quality of education all around isn't where it should be. :/

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  • AbnormallyAwesome

    A mason only has shitty bricks - So he can only build shitty walls. He asks his boss for better bricks, but the boss sais: "You can't even build a good wall, no way I'll give you better bricks".

    Does that make sense to you?

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  • squeallikeasacofpigs

    Your school clearly made cuts in it's English department...

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  • NeuroNeptunian

    Anyone who lives in the US and would say this obviously does not know how expensive it is to run a school.

    Better pay and better treatment for teachers as well as better classes and better legal protections (i.e. a teacher won't be sued for doing their job and protecting the rest of the class from a child whose parents refuse to see the reality of their child's behavior and not having to work in a building that is poorly maintained), might attract more talent into the public teaching field, just as it does in the field of private education. Believing in teaching and loving children won't change the fact that for many, it is a job that barely puts food on the table.

    More teachers and more rooms to teach in would mean smaller class sizes which would mean more personalized attention to each and every student. How can a teacher be expected to be a wonderful educator when they have 1 hour to ensure that 30 children, all from different backgrounds and in different circumstances, are up to par with the state in their academic progress?

    Not to mention the environment that they are in in some of these schools - children who were raised on the streets and in broken families who can't imagine a future for themselves that doesn't involve gang-banging, prison and drug abuse. For some of the working conditions that these teachers are expected to endure, all of the talent in the world can't compensate for the fact that they are being paid shit and given shit to work with and expected by society to practically "raise" children who barely have parents at home both physically and mentally.

    We cut funding and add responsibilities. Maybe if every parent took an active role in the lives and education of their children as well as their discipline... maybe your argument would be valid but until teachers become teachers again and parents start acting like parents again, cutting teachers is not an option.

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  • dom180

    "Schools are failing. Solution? Well, obviously we should fire teachers. Everyone knows teachers are a detriment to quality education."

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    • So having a class of kids who can not read is an example of a good teacher?

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      • Devyn

        Firing teachers doesn't fix this, training teachers would fix this.

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      • NothingSpecial

        You realize that the teacher is not the only important factor in getting a good education, correct? Yes, the public school system sucks and barely teaches you anything. It glosses over facts and most people would learn more if they just studies topics themselves. However people these days having awful grammar, spelling and reading skills boils down to two things. First of all, technology. Most people are relying on spell checker and their brains are becoming lazy. Second, lack of interest or motivation. Most people I know despise reading, are bored by homework and therefore refuse to pay attention or listen because they just don't care. You have to actually apply yourself, focus and learn to get good results. Sure, there are some horrible teachers out there but I would say the amount of horrible students outweighs the amount of horrible teachers by a longshot.

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        • Exactly and we are forced to go. If people learn better on own why are they going to be forced to go to school to learn less? How unhelpful is that?

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          • NothingSpecial

            People learn better on their own because schools gloss over a lot of facts. You can learn more in your public library or through the internet. Schools are digging deep enough or teaching about important things. It's a "put in school, get them out" process. Do you realize how many people in my American Literature class have never heard of Frida Kahlo? Our education system needs some serious revamping. If schools actually taught us more than they were teaching us already, then school would be useful and not useless.

            However I still think the amount of unintelligence in our world today is an attitude problem. A lot of people could care less about actually learning about new things. Most people in my history class refuse to pay attention because history is "boring". I still think you have the wrong idea about education. While I do agree with you that we need quality and not quantity,I still feel people would be ignore or fail classes because the amount of F's people have have more to do with them not giving a shit and handing their work in then them being failed by their teachers. You can't forget about that. Teachers matter, but so does personal responsibility, which most high schoolers lack.

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            • That is my point. It should not be "get in and out" it should be "We want to teach you". So why force us to go when they are making 90% of the kids going just very dumb. Why not let some kids learn at home with out charging them all this money they save going to public school?

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  • drugsrbadmkay

    You think schools and teachers are given a lot of money? Wow you must not live in the United States.

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  • dinz

    The United States invest more per child than most OECD countries, yet they scored below average in the PISA tests.

    I think it's not necessary a money issue but more to do with the education system and the view of education by students.

    Other Western countries that generally perform better have scrapped the "learn from the textbook" system and have trained teachers better so they can proactively teach the students. Also performance based incentives have been implemented to encourage pro activeness in ensuring students are learning.

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  • nightmare28

    Money can't help here and teachers are powerless until parents decide to step in and take part in their children education. If a child can't read in the second grade that's the parents fault, I could read and write before I started school and I promise you I'm not exceptionally smart, just have a mother who sat with me and taught me.

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    • Actually some kids do not learn to read until they start school. It does not mean the child is dumb but many of them can not learn it until taught in a classroom setting.

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    • notbnormal

      I agree with you statement, although some children do have legit learning disabilities that have nothing to do with their parenting, many times it is neglectful parents that are the cause of a child's inability to succeed at school or behave correctly, and not a reflection of the child's inabilities or intellectual level.

      It's sad how many parents don't read to or engage their kids, or feed them healthily, or put them to bed at a decent hour. After speaking with many of my child's teachers over the years who praised me for having such a great child also told me it was thanks in part to myself, and how many parents just don't bother to raise their kids right giving them the attention they need to do well and have good self esteem...

      I still find it so sad because I am raising my child and giving my child the adequate care and attention a child needs, and if I am the exception for doing my job as a parent, then there are a whole lot of crappy parents out there, and they probably blame their child's inability to keep up in school on the teachers, and everything else, instead of themselves. Yet when it is something unfortunate that can't be helped through better parenting, sadly those parents tend to blame themselves saying "was it something I did?" "was there something I should have done differently?" If only the neglectful parents would for once look at themselves and say that, and then ask "is there something I can do different?"

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  • IceEye22

    I would say a hefty percentage of schools failure is because of shitty parenting the kids with bad grades are not usaly the good kids...

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  • notbnormal

    Teachers are underpaid and under appreciated. They are taking care of our children for us everyday, which should be the most important job, and therefore should be respected along side with firefighters, police, paramedics, doctors and other vital services.

    Since they are taking care of our children and we want them to do the best job possible, then we should pay them fairly and have respect for how difficult their job is. People think having a few children to raise is a tough job, and it is, now try 20 kids.

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    • Kids do not go to school for a babysitter. They go to learn.

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      • notbnormal

        While the children are learning at school, their caregivers are the teachers.

        Teachers aren't just teaching, they are caring for and looking after the children to ensure their safety and needs are met in day to day life. Which is a why a teacher will report abuse at home when they think it is occurring- it is because they are looking out for the well being of the children, or at least they should be, if they are good teachers.

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  • acidlor

    I believe that education shouldn't just be blamed on the schools. Education is a working team of the teachers and parents. Homework should be worked on together, so that the child is getting what they need out of the curriculum. A parent can help supplement that by explaining things in a way they know their child will understand.

    Another point to consider: Right now I'm currently enrolled in a private university, studying to get my bachelor's in Environmental Biology. I was going to be a Biology teacher for high school, but my adviser sat me down and explained to me why I shouldn't do that. He talked to me about the state that the public school system is in now, and how difficult it would be for me to not only get established, but in a good district as well. (Not to mention all the extra classes I would have had to take...)

    So basically, these students getting their degree in education are spending thousands and thousands of dollars on a small slip of paper that says that they are qualified to teach, and then they don't hardly get anything out of it once they start teaching. Sure, experience is great, but paying back student loans from college is really friggin difficult.

    Now to address some of the topic creator's concerns. Yes! Schools do need more money. It is proven that more technology and better learning material in the classrooms will help boost scores. One of the schools I used to go to went through an amazing change right in front of my eyes. Our principal had been fired because he couldn't do his job right, and a new one came into office. Our new principal was able to get multiple grants from the government to get more books in the classrooms, new computer labs, and a slue of other things. The scores literally sky rocketed from being the worst school in the county, to much higher.

    At my college there is a 14:1 professor to student ratio. This is about the same as your Spanish teacher to student ratio. I can tell you right now, that this is actually much much better than cramming 30 kids into a classroom with one teacher. It gives students who might not normally speak up a moment to shine. You get that one on one with the teachers that makes all the difference.

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  • Terence_the_viking

    For all the education they go through themselves to land a teaching is not worth the salary they get.

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  • howaminotmyself

    But they aren't given a lot of money. Many teachers pay out of pocket for things like glue.

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  • iEatZombies_

    Pretty obvious why the education system is failing.

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