Is it normal to be infuriated by the term

Is it normal to be infuriated by the term native American when everyone born in the USA is a native American, not just the American Indians.
Not only am I a a native American, but I am a second generation native American; my parents were born here as well. I would not like to be known as a "Russian American" because all my grandparents were born there. I've never been there and couldn't care less about being associated with the place.
When I was growing up, the US was called "the melting pot", a place where no matter what your cultural or ethnic background was, once you were here, you were just an American.
Now, political "correctness" is fracturing society into ethnic and racial groups, separating us by where our forefathers came from. The term "African Americans" is ludicrous; not one in a million has been to Africa. They are blacks, or Negros or whatever, but they are certainly NOT African Americans".
I do not see the point in "political correctness". It is divisive, inaccurate and demeaning, as though people cannot define themselves so the government must do it instead.

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  • I've never heard "native American" used for anyone besides American Indians. The term native is mostly used the describe where someone ancestors are from. native American sounds more accurate than Indian which can be easily confused with Asian Indians. Black people are African because that is where their heritage and genes are from. Same goes for anyone's heritage.

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    • q25t

      At the risk of sounding like SOT9, I've never really understood this way of thinking. To what period in time are we defining our ancestry? Some people in my family are very into genealogy so I can speak somewhat to this issue. If I take my own ancestry back on only a single grandparent's side, I am from America for several hundred years, Germany for several hundred, and the landmass that is now Belgium before that. What then am I to call myself? I know on another grandparent's side, I have a tiny portion of what would be called Native American blood. Am I simply a mutt, or should we take up calling ourselves by what we are now instead of the jumbled mess that is our pasts?

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      • AbnormallyAwesome

        Yes, I think I know what you mean. Humanity has always been moving and spreading. Even if we weren't all mixed we couldn't really say one place where our ancestors came from. Exept of course if you go back far enough everyone's from Africa.

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      • Your ancestry would be the same as your race.
        For example I was born in America, as were all my grandparents, but my race is not American. Its Northern European, because if I were to get a dna test, the results would show that is where my genes are from. You would be European with a bit of Native American, so by definition you are mixed. Your race or ancestry is what a dna test would reveal.

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        • thegypsysailor

          I think you are a bit confused;
          The world population can be divided into 4 major races, namely white/Caucasian, Mongoloid/Asian, Negroid/Black, and Australoid. This is based on a racial classification made by Carleton S. Coon in 1962. The United Nations, in a 1950 statement, opted to “drop the term ‘race’ altogether and speak of “ethnic groups”. In this case, there are more than 5,000 ethnic groups in the world, according to a 1998 study published in the Scientific American.
          I believe what you are referring to is “ethnic groups”, not the 4 races.

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    • RomeoDeMontague

      Actually not all blacks are from Africa. So its not accurate to say "African American" since that is assuming they are ALL AFRICAN.

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      • sega31098

        Not to mention that some people in Asia are actually even darker skinned than people in Africa.

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        • RomeoDeMontague

          Well that really depends on the type of Asian. A Korean might be darker than lets say a man from japan. However some black people seem to get horribly offended with the term "Black". So its either be offensive and accurate or inaccurate and less offensive.

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          • sega31098

            I meant people like the Negrito populations. Search up Jarawa and you'll see what I mean.

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            • RomeoDeMontague

              Still doesn't change the fact not all Asians are dark.

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    • robbieforgotpw

      I've been called a power crapping-American
      We're all hyphenated

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  • VioletTrees

    My understanding is that most people prefer "American Indian" anyway.

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    • RomeoDeMontague

      What about the Indians who are from India? Are they not technically American Indians also?

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  • Sog

    If a group of people like being called something, then why would you argue that they shouldn't be called that?

    You are the one being divisive by creating a conflict where there doesn't need to be one.

    Instead of trying to tear other people down for having pride in their ancestry, perhaps you should be celebrating your own Russian heritage as well.

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    • thegypsysailor

      Who said that anybody liked being labeled?
      My grandparents were Russian, not me. Until recently there wasn't even a country called Russia, it was the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics.It means absolutely nothing to me; I don't speak or read the language, I've never been there and I've never had any contact with my grandparents who died long before I was born. I know nothing of the customs or the lifestyle of my grandparents (I don't even know their names) and my parents never spoke of them. Why would you expect it to be a big thing in my life; I just don't understand your viewpoint.
      In non-secular countries people are labeled by their religious sects; is that also acceptable to you?
      And I am not "trying to tear other people down for having pride in their ancestry", I am objecting to the government labeling them based on their ancestry, a huge difference!

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      • Hhhhhhhh

        I'm not sure you have the right to tell anyone what words are and are not okay to use when you literally have a racial slur in your username...

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        • thegypsysailor

          What the fuck are you talking about?
          Dictionary definition; gypsy "One inclined to a nomadic, unconventional way of life."
          GO FUCK YOURSELF, ASSHOLE.

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          • Hhhhhhhh

            "First, g*psy is a slur. No matter what you think, it has been a slur for centuries. It’s where the term “gypped" comes from. It was believed that the Roma would rip gadje (non-Roma) off for money. Roma who escaped the fate of death at the hands of the SS and their dogs, the ones who weren’t killed right away, were branded with a "Z", which stood for Zigeuner, the German word for "G*psy". They were shipped to death camps, where barely any suvived.

            It is a slur still used today. Roma are called “Gyppos” while being beaten, forced out of their settlements, forced to move. They are called this when they are assaulted and even raped. They are victims of forced sterilization, forcible eviction of settlements, harassment by both law enforcement and citizens, fingerprinting simply because they are Roma, they are often ecxluded from schools."

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            • thegypsysailor

              Read a dictionary, shithead. Everything you said is absolutely correct, but incomplete. You are like CNN, you twist the facts to suit your needs.
              I truly resent your attack.
              The meaning of many commonly used words were different in the past and you are just stinking up the world with this kind of crap.

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  • Terence_the_viking

    Someone forgot to take their happy pills this morning.

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  • Wuggums47

    They are called first nations or some crap now. I just call them native american, because indians is pretty stupid because they don't come from India.

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  • theonewiththehair

    I see the point you're trying to make, but I think terms like Native American and African American are referring to one's cultural roots. I consider myself Chinese American because I was born and raised in American with a chinese influenced cultural background. It doesn't mean I have any allegiance to China, but I do recognize that my ancestors came from there and that much of their culture has been passed down to me.

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    • thegypsysailor

      See, I have absolutely no problem with you identifying with your culture and/or heritage and labeling yourself.
      I just object with the government doing it for you.

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  • SEWnanist23

    Native American makes an ethnic distinction of those of Aboriginal American ethnicity. Those Who are not of that culture or ethnic bloodlines are simply just called "Americans" because they observe their European ethnicities. There are many of Us that are mixed with European and Native ingredients. Alot of "Black" people have these mixes as well so they're not truly African Americans. We SO need to Have an official National POW WOW day!

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  • RomeoDeMontague

    You know you make an excellent point. However people enjoy separating themselves. Nothing wrong with being black, white, brown or yellow. However people believe Im white so im better, Im brown so im better, im yellow so im better and so on. So that is all anyone focuses on now. Maybe if more people thought like you OP we would have less racism in the world.

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  • NormalIsOverratedBeANinja

    That's what they're CALLED. They're not American Indian because they have nothing to DO with India, that name came from a mistake on the part of Columbus. Please understand that native American is not the same term as Native American.

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    • thegypsysailor

      They weren't called that for about 490 years, were they?
      They apparently don't like being called that according to a Harvard professor I met, but until we hear from one or more on here we won't know for sure, will we?
      I'm aware of the historical inaccuracy, I'm not an idiot.
      The Indians did not ask for that label any more than the blacks asked for theirs; this is an arbitrary government decision like putting the Indians on reservations. Does that make it right?

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  • I would'nt commit suicide over it.

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  • BlueJeansWhiteShirt

    You have a good point. Political correctness is dividing everyone into groups and making it obvious that we are all different, when it was supposed to bring us together peacefully.

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  • iEatZombies_

    Honestly, people need to stop being so petty. These terms, like many terms, are just a way to make it easier to describe someone. In a population of several billion diverse individuals, we need easier ways to describe people. It's when you start speaking a word as a curse that it becomes a curse word, otherwise it's simply a word.
    The government isn't speaking the words with irritance, so it should remain neutral.

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  • Just out of curiosity, do the term's "First Nation" or "Aboriginal" ruffle your feathers too?

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    • thegypsysailor

      Absolutely not. First nation, not first people is what I meant to say of the northern Canadian Indians and that is something they call themselves, and always have, long before the white man came across the ocean to destroy their culture.
      Aboriginals, people whose ancestors were indigenous to the Australian continent before British colonization, is more a scientific term than a label, in my opinion. It was not coined to be "politically correct".
      Why is it so hard to understand my point? Perhaps I'm just not communicating it well, I'm sorry.

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      • All Aboriginals in Canada refer to themselves as First Nations people, not just the ones from northern Canada. The term "Indian" is dying out due to its mistake as a label. Although, by definition of the government which was made up of only white European immigrants, legal First Nations "status" is not given to all Aboriginals in Canada. To achieve "status" as a First Nations person, certain requirements must be met and genetic history proven. Those requirements have changed over time, as they were originally severely oppressive.

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        • Also, it's not difficult to understand your point. I was only asking my question to sort out which terms you prefered.

          Since not all people using this site are from North American, not all people will be familiar with the history of First Nations people. Even some users from North America will still be ignorant due to a lack of proper education about their country's full history.

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  • disthing

    Don't get so upset.

    Native American probably isn't an ideal term. I think Indigenous American makes more sense. Ethnicity is relevant within many cultures, whether you like it or not, making classifications like 'Black', 'White', 'East Asian', 'Native American' etc. necessary terms for now. There isn't an easy, broad word like 'black' or 'white' for Native Americans / American Indians, so you end up with a more specific phrase.

    African American is an inaccurate term in so much as it's used as a synonym for black. So a black person who is not from America could be called African American in America :/ Also plenty of black people in America have more of a connection to their heritage in the Caribbean, rather than some extremely distant relatives from Africa. When there is a simple, inoffensive term like 'black', which doesn't overtly express ancestry, why not use it?

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    • thegypsysailor

      Every single black, or negro, person anywhere outside of Africa was imported historically, as a slave, indentured servant or even as a paid laborer. There were no black, indigenous peoples in any of the Americas.
      There are few if any indigenous peoples from the Caribbean islands that survived the white invasion. They (the Caribs) were also Indians (certainly NOT native Americans any more than the Incas or Aztecs were), I believe.

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      • disthing

        I never said the first black people of the Caribbean weren't 'imported'.

        I said that many have closer ancestral ties to the Caribbean than they do Africa, as in the most recent home of their ancestors outside of the US is the Caribbean. So using terms like African American can be misleading or inappropriate. I mean, if you trace all our heritage back far enough, we're all African-something or other. 'Black' is a better term.

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  • thegypsysailor

    I had a sociology professor from Harvard as a passenger on a schooner I was operating and we talked about this very thing. He also felt it was divisive to label Americans by their ethnicity and through his research he had found that most American Indians preferred to be called Indians.
    Personally, I like the term that the northern Canadian Indians use for themselves; "the First People".
    Pride in ethnicity has nothing to do with labels imposed by a government in the name of political correctness. One should be proud of one's accomplishments, not in something one has absolutely no control over and has no real meaning in life. How would it change an American's day to day life if their grandparents were from Germany rather than England or Africa?

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  • AbnormallyAwesome

    I absolutely agree with you on the African American thing.

    What would you call a Native American? Assuming you had to name his ethnicity...

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    • dybex

      Like his ancestors, he'd like to prefix that phrase with "the now extinct".

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  • handsignals

    I get called a Pommy(limey, American equivalent) in Australia and an ozzy in the UK. I can't win. At the end of the day you need to assimilate or you will always have a problem.

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  • hitchman

    Well I believe your story is real , and I guess you are one asshole , who have hell lots of problems , help yourself.

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    • thegypsysailor

      Please help me then; what are my "problems"?

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      • hitchman

        I think native americans are fascinating people. I also think they are very attractive. Most of them, anyway. The structure of the face is just lovely. Its very sad to me that they were forced onto reservations. What the hell?! You were here first!!!!!!!

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        • thegypsysailor

          I don't think anyone is putting down the American Indians in this thread. Once again, and actually try to read what I've posted and not mix it all up in your head; I am not "trying to tear other people down for having pride in their ancestry", I am objecting to the government labeling them based on their ancestry, a huge difference!

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