Is it normal to be skeptical of modern psychology's take on suicide?

I've been reading a lot online and listening to classmates and professors talk about modern psychology's supposed understanding of human nature. Why people do the things we do. What our needs and motivations are. How we feel. And most importantly, how each of us is "supposed to" behave. Or rather, what the right types of behaviors for given life experiences are. The more I read the proposals and analyses of modern psychology, the less confidence I have that its proponents understand reasonably the nature of the human brain, and how this, together with life experiences, translates into behavior. I appreciate that psychologists use statistics to weed out chance occurrences in their models of human behavior, but what I have a lot of trouble with is many psychologists' assumption that they understand the motivations of individuals--why a given person choose to do something, or reacts to something in a particular way.

Even worse than the presumption of knowledge about why people choose to act certain ways, often modern psychology doesn't just model associations, but it then imposes moral evaluations on certain beliefs or behaviors. A huge social-professional taboo, for instance, is some patients' (or private citizens') decision to end their own lives. I have almost never read an article by a professional psychologist acknowledging that it's possible for someone to make such a decision while in control of her/his own mental faculties. There is this assumption in psychology that the suicidal must be "mentally ill." And there's no challenging that assumption. It simply is true, regardless what many people assert about their own awareness of their own minds.

Often it seems to me modern psychology is a type of new religion. Except psychologists are empowered to involuntarily incarcerate citizens. For our own good, of course. Which makes me wonder just what the value of "freedom" is if humans can't make certain decisions about our own bodies and lives--decisions that don't deprive others of their own body-ownership and lives.

So does anyone else feel skeptical of many/some of the so-called confident understandings about human motivations modern psychologists put forth?

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  • Unimportant

    Yes. Often scientific findings are used to push a certain agenda. Your suicide example seems to be one of these cases.

    If your life is very bad and very painful without any hope for improvement, then ending it would bring relief. The person who does that doesn't have to be mentally ill or depressed. What could be more rational then ending one's own suffering?

    Oddly enough, we acknowledge this in animals. A dog who is in pain and is suffering an incurable illness will be "put out of its misery". A human being in the same situation? We will let them suffer, and we will grotesquely call our reasons "humanitarian".

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    • AB1234

      That's a terrific example of our culture's value hypocrisy. We love our pets--not just "like" them, but literally "love" them. Many citizens even count their pets as family members. So I don't think generally people simply don't value greatly the lives of suffering pets. Yet, you're absolutely right. If a beloved dog is suffering a condition that vets can't manage well, it's considered morally responsible to "put the dog out of its misery." But in a similar circumstance with a human being who can articulate what she wants, that she is ready to die, we don't hold the same perspective. She can suffer torturously for years, even decades, until whatever disease she's struggling against wins. Hypocrisy.

      Thanks for the example.

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  • Terence_the_viking

    Shit the internet is full of lies man seek out the truth.

    It will set you free.

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  • Ellenna

    I totally agree that wanting to kill oneself is not necessarily a sign of mental illness. For example, I have COPD/emphysema and I do not intend to hang around for the end stage of the disease, which is horrible, but right now in Australia it's illegal for anyone to help me to die by (for example) prescribing nembutal.

    I would also want to die if I became incontinent, bedridden and unable to communicate.

    To kill myself in such circumstances seems to me to be a logical sane decision and not a sign of mental illness.

    There's a big debate going on in this country right now about assisted suicide and after every media report the details of suicide prevention hotlines are given, but unfortunately not information on doctors who will help with voluntary euthenasia.

    If my dog were in constant pain and had no quality if life I would get the vet to put her out of her misery and have done so in the past with a dog and a cat I loved dearly, but it's illegal to end a human's suffering.

    It just doesn't make sense to me.

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    • AB1234

      I'm really sorry you are dealing with COPD and emphysema. You're very brave to be honest about this, and about your own plans should things turn really bad. I agree with you on both fronts. We euthanize animals we love who are suffering terribly if they cannot be made comfortable, but force suffering humans to keep suffering until they die. That seems unbearably cruel to me. And like you've written, I also wouldn't want to live through conditions I found too compromising of my basic dignity.

      But I think the tide is turning as far as public opinion and legislation are concerned globally. It's almost unthinkable that people think they have the right to command others to live (or not live) our lives as we see fit. It can make you feel like you're the property of the government, instead of your own. Change cannot come fast enough.

      Thanks for your honesty and bravery.

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  • Couman

    Suicide could be replaced by pretty much any word in the title and I'd say it's not just normal but wise to be very skeptical of their take on.

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  • JackoBlackman

    Yup!11!!1111!

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  • thegypsysailor

    TLTR, sorry.

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